₦airaland Forum

DaddyCoool:
Remember the PRESIDENT was not running AND did not want Tinubu hence the Emefiele shenanigans. Different when the president himself is actually running and is the one who appointed everyone that will determine things
including SC. Nigeria is a joke. The only way you can remove a strong-personality incumbent like Tinubu is if he willingly decides to go. Even then his hangers-on may not let him go

Let God keep us alive to see how it goes. Everything will depend on how the opposition party will organize themselves . Tinubu will fight, he may win but it will not be easy for him as many people including you think. That's my point.

Seunmuham:
Currently china is ahead of America in overcapacity production and kill out competition .
China is ahead in governance
China is ahead in having a good supply chain.

Like I said earlier, production is China, no one is disputing that.
governance is as per your definition.America has been stable as long as we can remember. Their last election was very peaceful as well.
I am not sure that China practice democracy.
Then in terms of supply chain management, I don't think America is lacking. It all depends on the angle you are coming from.
The truth is that American system and environment is completely different from China. So they cannot be compared.

Funflipper:
How about infrastructure? China is like 500 years ahead of America. The only aspect China is lagging behind the US is their military and they are closing the gap really fast while the US is self destructing.

China is building what they need to maintain their huge population. American doesn't need that. You cannot say that the Chinese enjoys a high standard of living than the Americans that's what matters. America is greater and ahead of of China in many ways.

DaddyCoool:
Politics is by party. There are 21 APC governors. We all saw how Wike manipulated Rivers for Tinubu. Plus INEC and election enforcers and even thugs are in his pocket.
I ask you again: once someone, anyone announces that Tinubu has "won" the election, how will the person who actually won get him out of office? Remember, court can easily be made to drag on for 10 years

Remember that in 2023, L P without any governor or LG chairman won 12 States. APC with all their structures and governors won 12 States as well. They even defeated APC in Lagos. Elections are like football, big teams don't win always.
Also note that no one announces a winner in an empty space. It must be based on reports from the States. If the States and LG are blocked from rigging, there is nothing INEC will do at Abuja.

maasoap:
Technology-wise, USA is lagging behind China by like 50 years now.

Not true. production wise, China leads but in technology, America lead by far.

DaddyCoool:
Well, Buhari was a TOTAL failure and everybody was calling for his head, do you honestly think if he had run for a third term he wouldn't have "won"?

That's Buhari. He is very different from Tinubu. Buhari has cult followership. The effects of his rule was gradual. You didn't hear shout of hunger in the street. There was no protest. The North gave him 12 million votes.
These are the things that would work in Buhari 's favour.
You cannot say these things for Tinubu. The Yoruba land is where his fight will start because it will be 50/50. No block vote from South West.

DaddyCoool:
Actually Nigeria STUPIDLY made their president bigger than Nigeria. They copied US without having the underlying elements that keep the president in check.
Let's analyze real world not just fanciful thinking:
Who is the real-life politician that will beat Tinubu and beat him so badly that when (not if) INEC and all the governors loyal to him manipulate the election in his favor, his handpicked Supreme Court will rule in that person's favor and Tinubu's handpicked military will promptly obey the rulling without further "appeal" and pack him out.

Here's REALITY: No matter what happens at the polls, the only thing it will take for Tinubu to stay in power is for someone, somewhere to announce that he won the election. That's it!

Are you saying that we should stop conducting an election when his tenure expires?

DaddyCoool:
He's not God but EVERYBODY who will run the election, enforce it's fair operation, adjudicate it on appeal, and enforce his actual removal from office, all are APC appointed by him!

That doesn't translate to automatic victory for Tinubu. GEJ appointed all these people during his tenure, yet he lost.
The recent election in Ghana and in USA were won by the opposition.
Tinubu will fight hard, but if the opposition can organize themselves, they can defeat him because Nigerians are tired of him.
You should encourage people to participate rather than saying that Tinubu is bigger than Nigeria.

DaddyCoool:
Nigerians are such FOOLS!! Despite everything you know you still think and believe that it is who majority vote for that win elections in Nigeria!
Read my lips: even if the whole Nigeria wants Tinubu to go, ONLY death or coup can remove him from Aso Rock in 2027 - even sickness can't remove him!

Stop saying that. If Tinubu is God to you, that's your business.

kunle4toyeyaho:
but you failed to proffer solution now? Where could the resources to continue defending Naira had come from ? I guess he ought to have continued piling up debts at Afrexim? You are just being overwhelmed by emotions,rather than paying attention to reality.
If subsidy removal has not been beneficial as you posited,how come no state is seeking for bail out fund to offset salaries? How come there sudden interest in investing in oil sector/ refinery? Removal of fuel subsidy has fully ensured complete deregulation in the sector,it is now competitive and market forces in due course would lead to price stability and jobs creation.

I said above that if possible I will prefer an open debate with you, there I will proffer practical solutions if anyone is ready to listen.
You asked where would the money to defend the Naira come from. But I told you above that the government pays more now in debt repayment and services, where is the extra funds coming from.
By May 2023 at exchange rate of 500 per dollar, if the government wants to repay 1000 dollars, they will need N500,000.
But today, with exchange rate at 1500 per dollar, if the government wants to repay 1000 dollars, they would need N1,500,000. So the question is where did the extra N1,000,000 come from? who is deceiving who? who is gaining. Can you now see the lies you people are supporting ignorantly?
It is still the same deceit . Dangote has started his refinery long before Tinubu. So, it was not Tinubu policy that attracted it.
The fathom investment you claim in oil sector is rubbish. If there are massive investments as you claim the people and the economy will feel the impact. Same thing with your claim of state government getting more when in reality the are spending more and struggling like most individuals to survive.
All these propaganda will lead us to no where as a nation. Tinubu should accept his error and make amends.

kunle4toyeyaho:
Which of the 2 major policies should he amend? Some of you are short sighted.
1. Which investor would invest in a sector where Government dictates the price?? Can't you see investments in refineries/ oil sector since the removal of subsidy?. After Dangote, some other investors have come in. Is this the policy you want him reverse? Can Nigeria even afford payment of fuel subsidy?

2. How can we continue borrowing and selling our crude in advance to defend Naira ? Borrowing our future to take care of today?Is this the policy you want us to continue with? We have adopted this method since 1999 without any result. Don't you think things need to be done differently?

Let's see the empty presidential candidate that would mount podium in 2027 and promise reversal of subsidy removal and continue defending Naira.

Well, I wish you can engage me in an open debate with this your empty rehtorics. Just saying what the government wants you to see.
First, PBat just killed the Nigeria economy. Subsidy removal is not the problem after all, other Nigerian presidents have increasing the price of fuel. Abacha increased fuel from 60 kobo to N11, Can you imagine the percentage, yet the economy didn't collapse.
Floating the Naira cancelled out any benefits from subsidy removal and made it useless.
it is like you saved N10 in subsidy removal but ended up in spending additional N100 in debt repayment. So where is the additional N100 coming from?
This is the truth you people fail to realize. Floating the Naira made both the government and subsidy removal useless and helpless.
The economy is supposed to be managed. The floating supposed to be managed.
If Tinubu has advisers, He should have taken gradual steps in managing both the floating and the subsidy issues.
A president is not suppose to be uttering policies anyhow like Tinubu is doing.
And finally let me remind you that not everyone is dumb. If you think that this is the best Nigeria can get, you're wrong.
One or two good policies can turn things around in Nigeria so don't close your mind.
Give the other candidates the chance to say their mind

NothingDoMe:
Isn't growth supposed to translate into development?

It takes exceptional ability, empathy and strong institutions to turn Economic growth to Economic development. Nigeria lacks all these.
Presidential jets, yatchs, escalade, renovation of official quarters are all signs of Economic growth.
Many people said they are good. So that's it.
Translating growth to development is not easy.

kunle4toyeyaho:
Your analysis is spot on. However,one thing that would work in favour of PBAT is the presidential ambition of some northern politicians. Many of them would rather endure Tinubu for just 4years than to support Atiku who would throw them out of aspiration for another 4-8years and the clamour for Southern presidency would ensue in the process. No doubt, Atiku is a formidable candidate but the sentiment of turn of south is against him. As it stands today,only SE and NE are the 'problems' of PBAT ,he needs to bring Kwankwaso to his fold and make some key appointments from SE and NE.

So PBAT doesn't need to listen to Nigerians and make amend to his policies.
just dey play.

NothingDoMe:
How can the economy of Argentina be improving while the lives of the citizens are not?

Doesn't make sense.

It does. Economic growth is different from Economic development.
In Nigeria, the government is celebrating increases in revenue to States and local government, increase in external reserves. These are Economic growth. They didn't translate to increase in people's welfare and standard of living which is Economic development.

Mervingreat:
That is your headache honestly I don’t care about anything police or IGP because I can't understand their contribution to anyone rather they are the worst set of people so sorry I don't care they extended his term in the service, I don't care.

Then why do you make that comment attacking Sowore when you don't know the issue at stake?
If you don't care, we care because it is our country. So stop contributing to issues that you don't care about.

wellmax:
Can you point out any errors from what he said.

He’s quoting the law, you are quoting sentiments.
Obidense

The error was that Sowore is saying that the IGP was due for retirement based on when he entered the police. But instead of retiring him , his tenure was extended through appointment as the IGP.
Did the officer address that? that's was the error. Let him tell when did the IGP entered the police service and whether he is due for retirement or not. Let him address the tenure elongation issues.

Mervingreat:
Pls what is Sowore headache with IGP, is this our priority now? Will his talking make Tinubu to remove the IGP? To be honest this is just pretty nonsense, he is not fighting for petrol price, price of bag of rice etc he is fighting IGP who have nothing to offers anyone or put food on anyone's table.

Sowore I'm sorry to tell you I'm suspecting you are using this to cash out because its absolutely irrelevant to Nigerians problems right now.

You are wrong. Sowore is saying that the IGP is due to retirement based on the existing police and civil service rules.
But instead of retiring him , you amend the rules and appoint him as the IGP. Is that right?
I was expecting the op to tell us when did the IGP join the police and whether he is due for retirement or not. But he dodged it and was talking of the amended rules. Sowore is talking of tenure extension not amended rules.

Anybody that is feigning ignorant of how WAEC , NECO and private schools conducts examinations in Nigeria is a hypocrite.
There is no secret about it. Now there are many websites that displays the questions papers and the answers of WAEC and NECO exams days and hours before they are taken.
There are open special centres everywhere the WAEC and the government are not doing anything about them..
ASUU also are complicit with their admission racketting. They have no moral ground to complain because they are part of the problem.

festacman:
Any coalition that will unseat President Tinubu must be driven by
1) a robust Economic Plan and
2) multi-sectoral reform proposals
by the opposition and not just another a gang-up to grab power to continue status quo.

- A practical Economic Plan to revive Nigerian economy and lay a new foundation that will incentivize exiting and potential industrial investors as well as leverage the economic potentials (agriculture, food processing, animal husbandry, fishery and Marines resources, sports, entertainment, tourism, etc) of geopolitical zones.

- Multi-sectoral reform proposals that will improve various sectors economy since most of them are still operating on operational frameworks put in place in 60' s and 70's. Tinubu has done Tax reform but the surface has not been scratched.

You are very thoughtful. There are lots of things to do in the country to revive it. But one wonders why those in power are not doing anything.
After submitting the tax bill, Tinubu went to sleep.
Does it mean that other sectors are in perfect conditions that need no improvement.

khalids:
Do you realize that the majority of telecom cell sites run diesel generators continuously 24hrs 365 days a year, with some burning 10 to 40liters per hour...do you know how much that cost
We have not even talked of fees paid in USD to vendors, shareholders, banks, government, etc
Maintenance lease, internet gateway lease, etc all paid in dollars, bank loans/facilities that need service, most of which are in dollars...
Cost of diesel is up, exchange rate is up, cost of goods and services is up, importation of spare parts is up, cost of transport is.....
Oga no just talk wetin you know nothing about...

Are you saying we should be happy because of the 50% increase? Can you go to South Africa or any advanced country and increase prices in one swoop of 50 to 100%.
It is the thing we are talking about.
The government did it, you people supported it. Then every other person is doing it and you continue to support it. The question is, is that what happens in other countries. Is it right?

michlins:
Sometimes our complaints are very useless and I guess that's why the government doesn't take us serious(aside from their total wickedness)

How do you expect a company with increased cost of operations, increased tax, increased staff salaries and ever greedy investors to stay in business by charging what they charged eleven years ago?

How do we expect them to remain in business and deliver quality services by running on a deficit.

This was exactly what happened to the power sector. They were charging below operating costs and not investing and expanding. By the time they started, the masses have already gotten used free power plus the amount of investments needed to keep the service running optimally has gone overboard

Stop defending what you don't know.
Products are different. Someone selling food would need to buy raw materials every day. This is not the same with someone selling water.
Telecom and electricity are like some one selling water. You don't invest on daily basis.
It is only in Nigeria that the government and the people will just wake up and increase prices by 50 to 10000% and expect everyone to be happy because there is inflation.

Educationalserv:
Kindly educated your very Educated southerners they assume the Vat Figures reel from from Lagos was consump in Lagos and other Cities and sleeping while they the only one consuming.
If I make transfer from Sharia Zamfara to Sharia Katsina and UBA charges VAt
One Owoda in Lagos will wake and Claim all Vat are generated by Hard working Lagosian in his deep meaning it a Yoruba Man working hard and consuming while the sharia man is breeding.

We are talking the same thing. That's why I said the Governor's proposal is better than the one from Tinubu.

Educationalserv:
Educated southerner let me help your this are some data
Lagos had 18.93 million Internet subscribers in 2023, while Ogun state had 9.57 million Internet subscribers in the same period. Kano followed with 9.03 million Internet subscribers,

Well, I don't understand your point.
Lagos and other states collects many taxes that are due for them. No body has a problem with that.
The problem here is VAT. It is a consumption tax. We pay VAT at the point we buy the product or service. But for convenient sake, companies remits the VAT paid through their head office.
So it is not the state where the head office is that generated the VAT and should not take the lion share.
The proposal from the Governor's Forum is more reasonable than the one from Tinubu.

Educationalserv:
why must Lagos collect VAT on Calls made from Sharia state ?

This is what they do not understand. That the VAT is collected in Lagos does not mean that the consumption took place in Lagos.
If they don't like this recommendation, then every state should be allowed to collect VAT on their consumption. It should not be channelled to the head office in Lagos or PH.

FFK has shared his own experiences of the 1966 coup from a particular point. He is entitled to that.
But now the people that did no know of the full story has started misinterpreting it. Someone talked of Igbo domination which is very unfortunate.
This is the address of Nzeogwu that endeared Nigerians to the coup.
" My dear country men, no citizens should have anything to fear as long as that citizens remains law abiding. Our enemies are political profiteers, swindlers, the men in the high and low places that seek bribes and demand ten percent, those that seek to keep the country divided permanently so that they remain in office as ministers and VIP of waste, the tribalist, the nepotist, those that made the country big for nothing before the international circle, those that have corrupted our society and put Nigerian political calendar back by their words and and deed"
That's it. The coup did not succeed. This is why Nigeria will continue to suffer.
Those who think that it was about the Igbos should note that at this point in the nation ,
1. Western regions was under emergency rule.
2. Western region election of 1965 turned to theatre of war in which about 2000 people had been killed and 500 houses burnt.( it was the coup that stopped the killings).
3. Tivs in the middle belt were rebelling with 3000 people so far killed.
4. Adaka Boro was rebellion in the Niger Delta with many killed.
5. Census crisis in the nation.
6. Student, labour union, market women, civil servants, and the general public complaining and crying without anybody listening or doing anything.
These are the stage that ususer in the coup. Read Nzeogwu 's address again.
The coup has nothing to do with the Igbos as a tribe.

This man's explanation is very deceptive. He is hiding the truth.
What he meant was that Lagos will lose if States where not allowed to collect VAT.
But this is not the issue at stake.
He should have told us how Lagos State will lose when 60% derivation is applied.
Whom are they deceiving?
The North should not agree.

plumcomm:
Since when then born majority of us here we never hear say them refine curde oil for nigeria,the refineries obasanjo said can never work is working in less than 2years.untill the government start to dey spoonfeed people as they do in Europe and america them no go know say e dey work.
In 2years tinubu has done what all the presidents couldn't do since 1999.
If that refineries alone are what he was able to achieve in 8years,he has surpassed every others,obviously he has more time to do more.

Movement without action. What are the impacts of the refineries. Has the price of beans came down, because this is what Nigerians want to see and hear.

These people self.
You drive away 100 billion dollars investment by your clueless policies and attracted 1.2 billion and you want us to celebrate?
You increase fuel price from N200 per liter to N1300. Later you brought it to N1000 and want us to celebrate.
You changed the exchange rate from N460 to 1 dollar to N2000 to 1 dollar. Later you brought it to N1700 and want us to celebrate.
Let the APC and Ronu people keep celebrating.

tiger28:
WHY dont you FOCUS on the FULFILLED ones as well?

Like what?

ElSudani:
Everything depends on revenue, from oil or otherwise. Obasanjo was able to pay $12 billion in order to get some debt written off. Can you imagine what $12 billion dollars would do to the economy right now?

The country and the economy are in a more different situation than when Obasanjo was president. You can't objectively compare the two.
If the country doesn't have any money to play with you can bring all the experts in the world and the economy will still require some time to get back on track.

I disagree with you. If Tinubu has that 12 billion now, he will squander it on nothing.
There are lot of things to do to improve the economy but he is doing nothing. Only praising himself. There is a lot of leakages in the system but his only interest is on dollar, tax and petrol.
More than 50% of Nigerian's imports are are raw materials which can be produced in the country. If the government is serious, they can cause a massive change in agriculture that will be noticeable to replace most of the raw materials import.
There are lots of things to do to cause massive changes in Nigeria economy but the government is blind to all of them. All the attention is on oil forgetting that there are many countries that are doing well without oil.

During the military era, everyone looks forward to budget presentations. People will stay with their radios and TV to listen with much enthusiasm.
After the presentation, the Minister of finance will take time to break everything down to tangible facts. People will know the number of roads government will build and cost of each. He would say of water, hospitals and the things government will do, how and when. Everyone will understand and follow the progress of the government.
These days, budgets presentation are mere ritual to fulfill all righteousness.
They hide under infrastructure and security. No one understands anything and no is interested.
At the end, the Legislature will do the padding work. The president looks the way and so it becomes their business.
The citizens are actually not interested.