OMG!!!! I'm laughing and farting at the same time, Yeee!!! I don wound o

Nigerian pastor one of those claiming to heal HIV by prayer reported on BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14406818

At least three people in London with HIV have died after they stopped taking life saving drugs on the advice of their Evangelical Christian pastors.

The women died after attending churches in London where they were encouraged to stop taking the antiretroviral drugs in the belief that God would heal them, their friends and a leading HIV doctor said.

Responding to the BBC London investigation, Lord Fowler, the former health minister responsible for the famous Aids awareness campaign of the 1980s, condemned the practice.

"It's just wrong, bad advice that should be confronted," said the Tory peer, who chaired last month's House of Lords committee into HIV.

Jane Iwu, 48, from Newham, east London, described one case, saying: "I know of a friend who had been to a pastor. She told her to stop taking her medication - that God is a healer and has healed her."

"This lady believed it. She stopped taking her medication. She passed away," said Ms Iwu, who has HIV herself.

'Irresponsible' advice
BBC London spoke to a second woman from east London who told of a friend who died after taking advice from her pastor who told her to stop taking her antiretroviral drugs.

Meanwhile, the director of a leading HIV research centre in east London said she had dealt with a separate case in which a person with HIV died as a result of advice from a pastor.

"I've only seen that once, but it has happened," said Prof Jane Anderson, director of the Centre for the Study of Sexual Health and HIV, in Hackney.

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"We see patients quite often who will come having expressed the belief that if they pray frequently enough, their HIV will somehow be cured," she added.

"We have seen people who choose not to take the tablets at all so sometimes die."

Lord Fowler condemned pastors giving this advice, saying: "It's dangerous to the public and dangerous in terms of public health."

"It's irresponsible," he said, suggesting pastors should instead "come off the air on it, look at things much more seriously, and not give this completely wrong advice to the public".


A woman from east London says her friend died after her Evangelical Christian pastor told her to stop taking HIV medication
HIV prevention charity African Health Policy Network (AHPN) says a growing number of London churches have been telling people the power of prayer will "cure" their infections.

"This is happening through a number of churches. We're hearing about more cases of this," AHPN chief Francis Kaikumba said.

AHPN said it believed the Synagogue Church Of All Nations (SCOAN), which has UK headquarters in Southwark, south London, may be one of those involved in such practices.

The church is headed by Pastor T B Joshua, Nigeria's third richest clergyman, according to a recent Forbes richlist.

When approached by BBC London, leaders of the church described themselves as Evangelical Christian pastors.

The church's website, which was set up in Lagos, Nigeria, shows photos of people the church claims have been "cured" of HIV through prayer.

HIV-Aids healing
In one example, the church's website claims: "Mrs Badmus proudly displays her two different medical records confirming she is 100% free from HIV-Aids following the prayer of Pastor T B Joshua."


According to SCOAN's website, by using anointing water "you are positioned for healing"
"HIV-Aids healing" is listed on the church's website among "miracles" it says it can perform.

"Cancer healing" and "baby miracles" are also advertised.

The church's UK website promotes a monthly "prayer line" for which it says: "If you are having a medical condition, it is important you bring a medical report for record and testimony purposes."

It has posted videos on the internet showing its services in south London, in which participants who claim to have arthritis, asthma and schizophrenia say they have been healed after being sprayed with "anointing water" provided by the church.

Mary Buhari, 44 , from central London, told the BBC she had had a phone conversation with a representative of the church, in which she was told she could be cured of HIV.

"I was told they can cure any illness on Earth through prayer, including HIV," she said.

However, when asked by BBC London if it claimed its pastors can cure HIV, SCOAN responded: "We are not the healer. God is the healer. Never a sickness God cannot heal. Never a disease God cannot cure.

"We don't ask people to stop taking medication," the church added. "Doctors treat; God heals."

The recent House of Lords committee report into HIV awareness said faith groups' approaches to supporting people with HIV had improved but more needed to be done.

"It is essential that faith leaders engage with HIV as an issue and provide effective and truthful support and communication around the subject," it said.

A Department of Health spokesman responded to the report saying: "Over 60 recommendations were made and we will be responding to Parliament in the next few months."

Azibalua:

The rhapsody is chaining lives everyday,I can't wait to see it spread throughout the Arabic nations,most of them have lived a lie for a long time, now that light has come, the darkness has no choice but to vamoose. Praise God

^^^ Okay

@nuclearboy


1 Corinthians 9: 11 - 27

11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?

14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.

18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is TEMPERATE in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


Paul was clearly mad about money/prosperity according to the coloured parts 

Delusions of grandeur + paranoia - Classic case for psychiatric evaluation

I must be an alien and no longer a human being (or maybe I never was) with some of the comments I am reading on this thread. Whatever happened to humans who value decency and morals?
SMH

:d

Juliet94:

I still do not know why jealousy and envy exists in the heart of men when they discover that a man is flourishing.
Several people have told lies about DADDY ADEBOYE. But I believe God is using him.
He is not God, but God has used His name to heal people. I m a living witness to that.
During the 2011 June Holy Ghost Service, a man testified that his daughter that had been dead for 4 days rose up from the dead after four days, when he prayed that the God of our father in the Lord should intervene.

Oh dear!

But seriously, am I the only one who saw the sickening grabbing of private parts women in the videos displayed and the crazy falling and diving (which IMO is quite dangerous) all over the place by various people.

I personally feel that is enough to convince me there is something seriously wrong with the manner in which this man does things and of course as EarsWide pointed out, a woman displaying her bosoms for all to see how degrading is that?

Come on! those images lend a lot of credence to what the people interviewed were saying.

Happy birthday to you

Sickening images, very sickening indeed.

aletheia:


Harold Egbert Camping received a B.S. degree in Civil Engineering from the University of California at Berkeley in 1942. He and his family were lifelong members the Christian Reformed Church until the year 1988. He served there as an Elder and Bible teacher for many years. Harold Camping earned his living from his own construction business, which he began shortly after the end of World War II.      

In 1958 he, together with two others, formed the non-profit ministry of Family Stations, Inc. (Family Radio - a Christian educational network) in which he has served as President. Eventually Harold Camping sold his business and became a full-time volunteer employer of Family Radio serving as President and as General Manager.

He is not a "true" preacher 

Joagbaje:

What the church owes the world is the responsibility of the preaching of the gospel. That is what Jesus sent the church to do. There is charity work in the church also but it's primarily among it's members and not out side it is not church duty to build bus stops borehole and road construction or feeding the masses. It is the government job. The government should be held responsible for such. But if you find the church helping out one way or the other , such church should be applauded .

Exactly what you are looking for isn't it.

Any good deed is commendable but to say that it's not the church's responsibility to do good (no matter what form it takes and whose responsibility it is) and as such we should stand in awe and "applaud" when CEC leaves their "primary" assignment as you call it and manage to put a drop of water in the vast ocean of good is absurd.

The real motive here is known any way.

mabell:

This is simple english now
the first reason of the existence of the church is preaching the gospel and soul winning
while helps and the others comes later like a secondary reason

Joagbaje:

The church is not a charity organisation. And the church is not called to do what government should be doing. So when you see the church leaving the primary responsibility to help out in the society. You should commend it or keep quiet.

Are you for real? 

Pray tell, what the church was doing in Acts then if what you say above is so.

You are the one who needs to keep quiet.

@ op

Long hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

What a load of crock! And this is supposed to make it all okay?

thehomer:

Awww those atheists are so caring. Sacrificing heaven to take care of God's creatures.

"Meanwhile, enterprising atheists across 26 states have set up a business to care for the animal companions of any Christians who are selected to go to heaven when Jesus Christ comes back
"You've committed your life to Jesus. You know you're saved. But when the Rapture comes, what's to become of your loving pets who are left behind?" Eternal Earth-Bound Pets says on its website, offering to "take that burden off your mind."
The post-doomsday pet rescue service already has 259 clients, who have paid $135 for the first pet and $20 for each additional pet at the same address, to ensure the faithful animal companions are looked after and loved even when their Christian owners have gone to the other side.
All the rescuers are sworn atheists, which means they will definitely be left behind on Earth, ready to rescue pets after the Rapture.
When judgment day happens, Eternal Earth-Bound Pets co-founder Bart Centre "will notify all of our rescuers to go into action and they will drive to the homes of anyone who's signed a contract with us, pick up their pets and take them home and adopt them as their own, keeping them happy and healthy for the rest of their lives.
"This will happen only if and when the Rapture happens. So we do not expect to have to do anything on Saturday," Centre told AFP.
Contracts are good for 10 years, just in case the Mayan calendar prophesy, which predicts the world will end in December next year, comes true".


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/preachers-prophesying-end-world-york-000338169.html



Now that is too funny.

Superb! Brought a tear to my eye. Loved the way everything carried on as normal afterwards.

Thanks Enigma

Many thanks for the offer J but I won't be here, there nor anywhere.

^^^ huh? First of all, I am no 'sir'

2ndly, I have only just wanted to type that because your name reminds me of the song. I have no reporting to do.

Ok, I've been wanting to do this ever since I saw your name but the time was never right. I guess now it is:

Jenwitemi ma wi f'araye, enu t'Oluwa fi fun mi ma fi s'oro.

Done 

when did you start to talk to yourself?

break? no be so unless u dey dis side

Hmmm! Maybe I won't have to sit those pesky exams after all

@op

There are just too many things in that story I find appalling.

Jeez, these men are too pathetic. Their s.tupid saviour mentality derived from their mountain sized egos does not cease to amaze me.

"Mandate given by God" my (you know what)  

Nonsense.

@Earswide

The information you have given as sad as it is possibly has very little impact on most of the followers of these men, most have completely lost the use of their brains when it comes to "men of god".

@ Jesoul

Sista! Long time, how bodi? thanks for the desert, very yummy.

In fact I like your description, "insignificant trouts". 

Bros Image, kulikuli too go work o. Thanking you for your kind gesture.

^^^ smh

manmustwac:

Religion blinds you from reality. And besides they are not men of god they are gods of men.

You got that right.

This is my first ever topic posted and I am here just to vent.

I am so sick and tired of the calibre of people parading themselves all over as pastors and as people have come to (irritatingly) refer to them "men of God" (how the mention of God makes me cringe).

These men are a bunch of fools who are believed to be a part of the human race but quite frankly the decision is still under appeal (and I reluctantly add not all of them, reluctant because I don't know any personally but I suppose some, albeit an extreme few are out there somewhere HOWEVER there are a known number in particular who fit this bill).

If you are actively looking for any of a combination of the following traits; greedy, lazy, insecure, patronising, egotistic, selfish, dishonest, manipulative, deceitful, arrogant, two-faced, phony, aggressive, violent, self-promoting, self-exalting, unforgiving, lecherous, depraved, liar, cheat, thief (and I could go on and on) then look no further than "men of God". It is quite obviously guaranteed that 97% (and I am being extremely generous here) will display any given number of these quite offensive traits at any given time (t). I reiterate 'quite obviously' as most people seem to miss that fact. 

And here is where it becomes annoying for me  , from the completely unbelievable to the downright repulsive acts, these so-called "men of God" have not just done them all but arrogantly justified these acts as well, even things one would not expect of a stark unbeliever. Who do they think they are? There are countless people and I have met some, who have absolutely no affiliations whatsoever with God, Christianity or church but are of a hell of a lot more moral and ethical quality simply because they are "human" than the average "man of God" of today. People are quick to talk about loving and forgiving these men (after all they are "human"  ) but are quick to forget the sheer arrogance of knowing you have a "major" problem yet deeming yourself fit to stand and teach others how to live their lives, it's despicable. And where does love standing for truth come in to the equation? I wonder!

To think that anyone with half a pea sized brain (more so a fully functioning one) would still subject themselves to listening to these men, not to talk of the deluded acts of worshipping and placing them on pedestals when really these men function as the scum of the earth is quite a shock to the system  and a bafflement  , it is completely absurd.

These men (and while I am at it, may I just say I use the term "men" loosely because real men have integrity and are of upstanding character) have so cleverly built this haven for themselves called "church" where they have become a "god" unto themselves and can literally get away with anything while their s.tupid/brainwashed/ignorant followers follow on as if in a trance and let's not forget that some of these men will take every opportunity available to let it be known they gave up so much to become pastors and as such are living this "sacrificial life" (part of their God-given right to their members money) because they could be doing so much better in whatever vocation they decided not to follow.

Take church away from the majority though and throw them into the midst of life as a normal functioning human being and I can bet the majority do not have what it takes to make it and forge ahead in the real world, they will be the bottom of the barrel in no time (not just in character now but financially too). How can they survive, when they are completely devoid of any form of integrity and the only means of survival they know is as leaches?

For every other one of these men who has or is yet to engage in some despicable act, I am absolutely disgusted and my conclusion is that the majority need to be incarcerated while some need to be outright shot as they constitute a menace to society.

And as for the ones that keep giving them the liberty to do all they do just because they refuse to use their thinking faculties and acknowledge the truth about these men, shame on you all.

You all, every last one of you disgust me!