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[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=488326.msg8731865#msg8731865 date=1310871618]I thought Edem was withdrawing from tribalism? It's a turn off when a guy cannot control himself or keep his words. Just saying tho.[/quote]How is this tribalism? Defending Zik's achievement is tribalism? Point to any tribalistic post.

I will not allow anyone to trash his achievements pre-independence.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=488326.msg8731858#msg8731858 date=1310871462]just like he wanted to dominate the west with a party majority igbo

or i am talking rubbish

face the truth for once[/quote]Mumu I have never been a defender of Zik. I originally contributed to this thread from the very beginning before it was resurrected.

I will not deny his achievements and sacrifices for Nigeria.

Eko Ile:
Ignorant illiterate troll like you really need to shut up when sane and rational people are talking.

Learn to stop talking when someone with a vastly superior intellect is talking. Not someone whose brain only runs on tribalism.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=714925.msg8731803#msg8731803 date=1310869948]^^^congrats to your cousin, best of luck. I hope I get an invite to your graduation cook out next fall. I want to taste some oha soup [/quote]You will once you start behaving yourself. What will you be giving me?

Back on topic -

Some Igbos dislike Zik for various reasons.

One reason, which many Eastern Igbos dislike Zik for what happened to Eyo Ita. Him coming back to the East caused problems in the East among the minority groups and many seen this as a way of Igbo dominating the East. Prior to Zik coming back to the East, the minority were happy that one of their own could be a leader over a major ethnicity.

Another reason why he is dislike is due to the Biafra issue. He could not fully support Biafra, because of his love for One Nigeria and many Igbos see this as an act betrayal.

alj harem. . . You are an idiot.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=488326.msg8731836#msg8731836 date=1310870668]No u got he wrong, where are u getting this rubbish from

ZIK came to lagos and Awolowo did not like that sincehe is not ruling his people before he wants to rule the SW

then in the act of untimate betrayal he joined the north for the arrest of awolowo

so get it right

and lastly he already know Bello did not so stop this your hypocricy

don't derail the thread[/quote]Nigeria's first political party to have nationwide appeal was the NCNC, founded in 1944 when Azikiwe encouraged activists in the National Youth Movement to call a conference in Lagos of all major Nigerian organizations to "weld the heterogeneous masses of Nigeria into one solid bloc." The aged Macauley was elected president of the new group, and Azikiwe became its secretary general. The party platform renewed the National Youth Movement's appeal for Nigerian self-government within the Commonwealth under a democratic constitution.

At its inception, party membership was based on affiliated organizations that included labor unions, social groups, political clubs, professional associations, and more than 100 ethnic organizations. These bodies afforded unusual opportunities for political education in existing constituencies, but the NYM, which was fading out, was absent from the list of NCNC affiliates. Leadership of the NCNC rested firmly with Azikiwe, in large part because of his commanding personality but also because of the string of newspapers he operated and through which he argued the nationalist cause. In the late 1940s, the NCNC captured a majority of the votes in the predominantly Yoruba Western Region, but increasingly it came to rely on Igbo support, supplemented by alliances with minority parties in the Northern Region. The NCNC backed the creation of new regions, where minorities would be ensured a larger voice, as a step toward the formation of a strong unitary national government.

[b]The Action Group arose in 1951 as a response to Igbo control of the NCNC and as a vehicle for Yoruba regionalism that resisted the concept of unitary government. [/b]The party was structured democratically and benefited from political spadework done by the NCNC in the Western Region in the late 1940s. As a movement designed essentially to exploit the federal arrangement to attain regional power, however, the Action Group became the NCNC's competitor for votes in the south at the national level and at the local level in the Western Region.

http://www.country-studies.com/nigeria/emergence-of-nigerian-nationalism.html

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Please do not comment on things you know nothing about. And stop spreading lies.

There is a reason why he is known as the Zik of Africa and it is time for Nigerians to be thankful for having a man who could stand up against British colonialism since  the Sardauna loved the European man and Awolowo was simply a tribal chieftain.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=488326.msg8731831#msg8731831 date=1310870514]thus that make him the ZIK of africa

what did he achieve[/quote]He achieved our INDEPENDENCE.

What better achievement is that?

He organized Nigerians from the South to demand independence. What more achievements does he need?

He was an outspoken critic of British colonialism. The man was considered an enemy to the colonial establishment. What more achievements do you need?

Why do Yorubas forget about Herbert Macaulay? A true Nigerian nationalist and mentor to Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Herbert_Macaulay.jpg

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=488326.msg8731816#msg8731816 date=1310870089]Awolowo and [b]Bello [/b]didn't fight for independence?[/quote]

Awolowo formation of the Action Group was in response to Zik's party NCNC. He was reactionary, because he was jealous of Zik's widespread support.

Bello fight for independence? I dey laugh!

ALL Nigerians know the North did not want independence. Your lack of Nigerian history is sad.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=488326.msg8731800#msg8731800 date=1310869917]Who even called him Zik of Africa, sef?

His cousins? His uncle? I could even see if he was the driving force behind the independence movement in Nigeria.

Zik of Africa, unknown outside of Nigeria, unpopular in the Eastern region, not loved in the North, not loved in the West.

Lol.

I'm not trying to be bad belle or nothing, but I don't get it. Even Igbos don't really like the dude. So how did he become Zik of Africa w/o even being Zik of Igboland first?[/quote]He is not unknown out of Africa. Nnamdi Azikiwe is often mentioned alongside Dr. Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere and others.

http://science.jrank.org/pages/10398/Nationalism-in-Africa-African-Nationalism-after-World-War-II.html

Even on Marcus Garvey's site.

http://www.mpai.ac.ug/marcus.htm

Eko Ile:
We know what the other folks did for their countries.

Nkrumah next door built Tema township from sctratch, he built the Accra-Tema Motorway, he built the  Komfo Anokye Hospital in Kumasi, the  University of Science and Technology, the University of Cape Coast, the polytechnics, the Akosombo Dam, the Adome bridge and many more.

The folks you mentioned were achivers, they all delivered on behalf of their people, same way Awolowo delivered for Nigerians and Africa, don't rubbish their names with zik's name.

The only thing zik delivered was the worthless zik of AFRICA rubbish. As stated by Times magazine, he was a demagogue and a corrupt leader.

Why can't you be quiet?

Zik fought for the independence of [b]ALL [/b]Nigerians. He cannot be likened to the tribal chieftains like Awolowo or the Sardauna.

That is why Zik along with Herbert Macaulay are considered NATIONALIST. A

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=714925.msg8731785#msg8731785 date=1310869623]I dont club. Just came back from somewhere, left them to club.
And why arent you in the club?[/quote]I am tired, because I went to my cousin's graduation cookout.

I have a love/hate opinion about Zik. When I spent time in Ibibioland, my grandfather would explain his dislike for Zik because of Eyo Ita incident.

It caused a lot of hostility in the East. My opinion is that he should have stayed in the West and fought Awolowo.

I do like his views on Pan-Africanism.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=714925.msg8731756#msg8731756 date=1310868930]lol![/quote]Shouldn't you with your friends at a club or event like most women living in Florida?

Kobojunkie:
*** Nairaland stores up every one of your posts and I can dig up at least 20 where we have you professing support for Jonathan. . .

Fine, you got what you wanted . . . . . what the frell are you complaining about now? 

Yes the lesser of two evils became president, but why can I not complain about my commander-in-chief. Is it not more poignant that his very own supporter is criticizing him for his inaction on this particular crisis?

You been in America long enough to know that even people who support a politician complain when their politician is disappointing them.

Like I said, why would anyone vote for an illiterate like Buhari and a loud mouth like Ribadu?

Jonathan was lesser of two evils. And I was a supporter of Pat Utomi, who did not get support from the Nigerian masses.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=714674.msg8729766#msg8729766 date=1310840631]Shyyt, herdsmen just walked through your heartland few days ago, its during peacetime and your response was weak and limp. [/quote]You do know there is fighting in that area of Imo state, in which the Igbo men of that community launched an offensive?

And I forgot. . . Go to hell you cowardly fool. 

afam4eva:
The name Ojukwu iis a surname so it's by default.

^^^

Yes we had to choose the lesser evil. Do people actually think Igbos would support a man who played a role in the deaths of hundreds of Igbo officers?

We could only pick our poison. If Buhari won, the miltants in the Niger Delta would be causing problems in a region I call home. Since Jonathan won, there is an insurgency in the North, which I rather have than in my own region.

I thought he was dead.

afam4eva:
GEJ can't do ish about the boko haram menace. He just has to pray that the boko haramists repent.

This seems to be the truth.

seanet02:
I doubt if an Aboki man will name his new born baby Ojukwu or Azikwe.

Did you read the article?  But it doesn't matter to us.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=714741.msg8729285#msg8729285 date=1310835493]Are you now the Awolowo of Southern Kaduna politics?
Well, not yet. I am still following the people. I have a big vision for my people. We are a people that are highly endowed with intellectual, natural resources, people, name them. But I am yet to see a visionary leader that will come and harness and mobilize our people to the level that will take advantage of these resources. Somebody who has the kind of vision that great man like Awolowo, whom I was named after has. We want an Awolowo in Southern Kaduna, we want a Zik, we want a Sardauna. If the people of Southern Kaduna say I should crystallize into Awolowo, who am I to say no. but I have a vision for everybody. I am not into partisan politics because I work but if need be and time permits, no problem. 

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/politics/2011/july/15/politics-15-07-2011-002.html[/quote]Seems like they want our past leaders, not just Awolowo.

https://emeagwali.com/speeches/nigeria/43rd-independence-anniversary-message/ahmadu-bello-obafemi-awolowo-nnamdi-azikiwe-nigeria-1962.jpg

President Goodluck Jonathan is suppose to be our Commander-in-chief and that means he should be telling us the truth about the Boko Haram menace. Bombs are occurring throughout the North, but it seems like our president is not taking this threat seriously.

I am supporter of Jonathan but the naira stops at your desk. He needs to control this situation. But I do doubt his ability to handle this situation. And for his detractors, I haven't heard a good solution either, because how do you fight a faceless enemy? Boko Haram members could be any person in the North, as well as they could have millions of sympathizers.

As I write this, I have heard rumors that the military is leaving Borno state, which was a request of Boko Haram. Did this same military leave the Niger Delta? No. . . I hope Jonathan's people see the double standard from one of their own native sons.