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Akshow: One thing I like about my yoruba people is that they don't get overtly sentimental. They don't let religious or ethnic affiliation becloud their judgment. They are the most sophisticated and politically concious tribe in Nigeria. *no apologies for this general statement. Its my opinion*

If I remember correctly, you were threatening Abacha through out his reign of terror, some of you importing arms and training army in neighbouring nations, threatening to secede unless power was handed to you after his death, SNC over the national anthem then, now you don't want it. As long as Nigeria is concerned, there is no such thing as sophistication, its has always been dog eat dog and the survival of the con artist for all the segments.

sincerenigerian: Good write-up from FFK. To hell with Keita, Junaid and Asari Dokuboh who have been threatening to spill blood and bring war.

The good write up, was more about sing praising his master OBJ than Junaid and Kaita put together. Lets see what he will write after his on-going fraud N19b fraud trial.

[quote author=truth_bastille]The OP is just trying to draw attention to the injustice meted on Zimbabwe by white supremacists by juxtaposing with Mandela's system of leadership.

Its a good discussion at the right time[/quote]Good on him to draw the world attention to a nation called Zimbabwe in total isolation of everyone, except for the poster. When is he going to draw our attention to all the black despots scattered all over African, killing , maiming and sometimes starving their own people?
Zimbabwe was once a world food exporter, but golden boy Mugabe managed to turn he into a food begging nation just because he loved power.
Eliminated all other freedom fighter one after the other including the great Joshua Nkomo, who deserved to be president in 1980, only that Mugabe came from the largest ethnic tribe (as always with Africa).

Had the opposition not had agreed to share power with him to lessen the sanction, Zimbabwe will by now be making north Korea look like paradise on earth.

White or no white, Mugabe is difficult to be loved by any decent human being irrespective of your skin colour. He is a psychopathic murderer, economic looter, election fraudster and the most tyranical dictators of the 21st century, that change the country's law book like toilet roll, if that is what young African will looks up to as a role model just to score a pointless racial point, I can only say that we are damned.

Katsumoto: Like I stated previously - you don't give candy to a kid if you don't want him to have it.

Once the Northerners realised the benefit of what the Igbo were trying to do, they had NO MOTIVATION to revert to previous status.

I can't speak for the northerners, what about you? Did you also find the same evil introduction by Ironsi very beneficial too or did the north forced you against your will? What's your own excuse?

Katsumoto: And implemented unitarism? Don't forget that is the master stroke that made all regions lazy.

Ironsi was only in power for six months and after which you and the north was taking turns experimenting with Nigeria, you still find comfort living with the so-called evil a dead Ironsi introduced long time or was he holding it against your wish from changing it, even in death? That's a pathetic excuse. It's no longer about who did what, what about now? What do you want now? Distraction with Ironsi excuses is an outdated path.

[quote author=Sunny_bobo]And you had to wait till you are 70?

Typical of his people though.[/quote]Don't be hard on the guy. Better to be late than never.

eGuerrilla: How many of the commentators who pound the same beat over and over on these boards have channeled their deep-seated views to the Confab committee? Even more, how many of the self-appointed spokespersons, here, can lay hand on heart and proclaim they have the backing of the constituencies they speak for?

If asking commentators to look at the wider context is what equates to scare-mongering, then it is clear we are refusing to heed the lessons of the past.

Don't discount the power of a forum like this one anymore, if you are unsure, please ask Oshiomole after his "go and die" utterances.

[quote author=St_Black]Tell me:

Who were those that shattered the pre-existing system of true fiscal federalism in the 1st Republic by their greed through a first coup?

PLS Talk.[/quote]My answer is the military. But if you felt that you got a better answer, why are you hail bent in keeping that abnormality? because someone else introduced it? How much sense does that makes to you? Just because someone was a former passive smoker, if there is cancer in future, it should be allowed to grow because of the past, he is not directly responsible for?

eGuerrilla: @Post,



At a time when the French are about to go into the CAR to help quell a simmering conflagration, and with neigbouring Congo in a perpetual state of anomie (having lost 6 million lives in 15 years), I am afraid to say some of the commentators on this thread are demonstrating a poor grasp of Africa's recent history.

Ndu_Chucks and only a few others are the ones asking the difficult questions.

Rather than using the weapons of fear and scare mongering, try and articulate a form of compromise if you really that afraid to be on your own after Nigeria as we know it. If all the palmwine tarpers are crippled by the lame tale of what happened to the man that fell off the palm tree, we won't have any palm wine to drink at all.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]This rare historical fact must have been passed down the generational line through the so called ALO (tales by the moonlight affair/story telling). Chei, biafrans will love this tale. Oh my!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6[/quote]We Biafra people are no fools and appreciate honesty. His insightful post is well appreciated. Hiding the truth only makes things worse. I personally for the life of me, never understand why many Yorubas love the cesspit called Nigeria especially after 1993, until I read his post. It's nothing to do with love of Nigeria, but fear of the unknown, from within, which is silly because they are too smart to be held down by what happened in the ancient times.

tensor777: /quote]
Well I am not from the SW, but the leaders/intellectuals are only being honest. What would they gain from Nigeria splitiing? Another round of intra-ethnic bloodletting or worse. Besides they have had far better local administration compared with the SE and SS.

Don't forget the Ironsi regime of the first part of 1966 was the most blatantly tribal regime in Nigerian history.Yet after the violent mutiny and reaction by northern and middle belt rank and file soldiers and the subsequent execution of Ironsi people like Ojukwu started championing the course of Confederation not even Regionalism, whereas before the overthrow people like Ojukwu were enthusiastically One Nigeria men. Even Ojukwu proved his One Nigeria credentials after his return by joining Shagari's One Nation One Destiny NPN party.

However the SW has always been pro-unity and that has continued to this day. Of course they may prefer their own politicians to be ruling the roost but even if they aren't that wouldn't make them to be pro-disintegration.

Deportation of Nigerians from Nigeria is pro unity, I wonder what disunity will look like.

tensor777: Yes but Government needs money to run its programs and to administer the country. The Oil provides instant returns to the Governmant coffers without the need for punitive levels of taxation, foreign aid or loans.
You will find that Nigeria is unbreakable. For example what will happen to the off shore oil deposits. These don't in any way shape or form belong to the MEND. So how would it be shared? In the process of sharing there would have to be a joint administration of the account so even that requires cooperation and understanding. Then what would be the point of splitting?
But if anyone here thinks that the oil would be left for the likes of Dokubo-Asari to plunder they are really living in Cloud Cuckoo land.

I have already given you a repeat prescription.

Black Human: u are wicked, how do u expect millions of people to survive on onions in this 21st century?

Throw in dry kanda meat, fresh tomatoes and garlic there too.

mad nigerian: If you read my post carefully, you will see that I want us off the OIL!

I want Nigeria to be led by leaders who will take us on the rad travelled by China, Japan and Germany

Oil is the devil's excrement.

Take oil out of the equation, trust me one Nigeria will struggle to last one week. Everyone will like to divorce before you can ask: what going on?

mad nigerian: OK,OK.....will do.

Good lad

Their protest is not foolish. You and your god son outrigged their candidate, they deserve the right to air it.

tensor777: Is this a serious question or are you that wishful. Nigeria will never break up. But hypothetically without the armed forces and the police and in a situation of total breakdown of law and order there will be a mad rush to seize and secure the Federal Oil deposits just as there was in the Gowon-Ojukwu imbroglio.
Thus you are talking about survival of the fittest and the law of the jungle. However it won't be a tribal conflict. It will be a conflict between rival warlords as in Syria today.

You need a good dose of detoxication of crude oil prescriptions.

mad nigerian: Just feeling mischievous , and celebrating the fact that I have mastered the font size function on this forum!

No am being serious. the LARGE FONT doesn't do it for me. Its a turn off for me, so keep it in the small front.

mad nigerian: Good.....note that all the oil is produced in the South South, note that 88% of Nigeria's resources come from oil, and note that in the event of a split....most of the country including the Middle Belt, North, and SE and SW would be left with nothing.

Let the great resource war commence.

BTW...I am from the South South too!

MY SOLUTION TO THE OIL PROBLEM IS SIMPLE....GET EVERY PART OF NIGERIA TO INDUSTRIALIZE, THEN THEY WILL FORGET ABOUT OUR OIL.

We can do that by voting in the right people....but my experience with the average Nigeria is that he/she does not vote for the right people!

Many of you had been suffering from oil drunkardness, courtesy of the Nigeria rogue elite. Hence, everything revolves around oil. Well, I got news for you- a country can still prosper without oil if they are willing and able

tensor777: Just answer the question. What have they been doing with all that money? Or doesn't it bother you at all?
However there will never be a time when any tribe of the Delta will assume sovereignty over Federal oil deposits. Hence you should be very concerned with what your State Goverment is doing with all their Federal allocation.

Its non of your business what they decide to do with their money. When you separate from them, you don't even need to lose any sleep about them anymore.
How many times do you walk across the road to ask you neighbours what they had been doing with all their salaries and profits, since their kids are not in harvard or Oxford?

@mad nigeria. please why the extra large size capital letter? There is nothing wrong with most folks eye sight, we can still read you, if you post it as normal.

kettykin: This reasoning is not only laughable but lacks depth, why has yoruba igbo and hausa not descended on Cameroon for bakassi, if south Sudan was not invaded by their neighbours in the north nobody will invade Niger delta

Don't mind them. They will soon ran out of excuse and reasoning.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]Not to worry, Asari and his cohorts will never allow you people to annex them or dominate them. BTW: Asari and his people are no biafrans, never been and never will be [/quote] Like i said when a lion start to worry about the welfare of antelopes and zebras, you have to smile and worry. I can assure you that no one is annexing anyone, as you can see, that Asari and his people are not planning to be annexed. I rather you worry about yourself, than worrying about future of your nemesis-Asari. He is a big guy, as you can see. He can take care of himself. The oldest trick in the book is when the Ku klux klan start worrying about welfare of black people.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]You of all people should have become weary of violence and war, afterall you escaped the ultimate price during the civil war. Instead of helping to find a peaceful way forward, you are here polluting the minds of younger generation to their detriment. Oga, go and enjoy your retirement peacefully and don't open old wounds. I have news for you - you lost the civil war!![/quote]Exactly, hence my asking of the question, why you want bloodshed because someone want divorce or are you using the fear factor of war to scare people into your whim? Use of fear only last for a certain length of time and that time is long gone.
The point is, unity does not require uniformity

[quote author=ndu_chucks]I'm sorry to say that one of your problems is that you people do not know who you are, nor understand your identity. Czechoslovakia is no Nigeria.

I don't think you can sweep the civil war under the carpet and pretend it never happened.

Give me a blueprint of how you can split Nigeria up without very violent repercusions, please. I'm still waiting. I find it interesting that most of the proponents of this disintegration are loumouth biafra apologists who are looking for a back door towards reestablishing the biafra territory. I'm quite sure the Asaris of the ND will not appreciate that gesture. Trust me, they are not on your side.[/quote]Asking the blue print for splinting Nigeria is like telling us that you don't know where you come from Niger republic, who just tumbles into Nigeria. When the time comes, you will sure be told. Leave Biafra territory as matter for Biafra and its people and the likes of Asari to worry about. Worry about your own territory first. Since when does the lion worry about the welfare of antelopes and zebras?
Igbos and Ijaws are no strangers to each other as they had co-habited for centuries and they both don't have to be inside one nation to survive.

[quote author=ndu_chucks]I'm sorry to say that one of your problems is that you people do not know who you are, nor understand your identity. Czechoslovakia is no Nigeria.

I don't think you can sweep the civil war under the carpet and pretend it never happened.[/quote]Yes you are not Czechoslovakia, but it an example that you can end a marriage without shedding blood, if you so wished, for some of you determined not to live together and at the same time don't want to divorce either.
Will our ancestors turn in their graves if Nigeria is to do what no one had ever done before and do it even better than Czechoslovakia and for others to copy you? Does the Czech and Slovakians has double brains, while you possess half inside Nigeria?
Why do you want to shed blood? Why can't rule and govern yourself without outside interference? What are you afraid of being on your own?

Arouser: Business this and business that. Asari where did you get all the money used in establishing all your schools? Where have you worked and what family fortune did you inherit? I wonder why nonentities like this should attract audience. Can he really say he is speaking for Niger Deltans?

He will tell you as and when you elect him to rule over you, just as David Mark, Tumbawal, GEJ and other never told you where they got theirs even though you elected them.

tensor777: It is not that although that the impression you may get by the vituperative exchanges on the politics section here. That is just empty talk which Nigerians are good at. They too dey make mouth sef.
The main problem we have is that elements like Dokubo-Asari are still roaming the streets freely instead of being caged. In other words we meed a country that operates by the rule of law where armed bandits are severely dealt with.
Otherwise the Nigerian project is still on.

There is Asari in 99.9% of Nigerians, even among your ruling elites from every section of Nigeria, only that he is bold or stupid enough to voice it in public and thanks to media that is no longer control from Lagos. If you doubt me open the politics section of Nairaland.

tashan: No keeping Nigeria one has never being the biggest obstacle, Nepotism, Kleptomania, ethinic bigotry, entitlement mentality, thieves masquerading as leaders, poor and visionless leadership are the biggest obstacles.
Please address issues without making personal references, age has nothing to do with this discussion.

One Nigeria brought the aforementioned things to the fore and magnified by 100. Break Nigeria today, those things won't disappear but will return to their pre 1914 level or at least pre 1966 when we are independent of each others everyday governance/life though strong regional autonomous govts.
Everyday, you want Igbos out of your land, people are being deported inside their own country and on the same breath, you want one Nigeria, does it make any sense?
Age got everything to do with it, because those around even in 1970 after a bitter civil war, will tell you that Nigerian then were more tolerant than Nigeria of 2013.

Orlando Owoh: Why won't they when when he started he claimed to be fighting for them, all of a sudden he is rich and doesn't dim it fit to establish his business in the ND where some of his people could have been employed?

Many govts, organisations and individuals fought for the people of South Africa against the apartheid, does it mean they are answerable to the South African people?

tashan: IS THE BREAK UP OF NIGERIA THE SOLUTION TO ALL THE PROBLEMS FACING THE COUNTRY? You anwser truthfully and you will see where our real problems lie.

Keeping Nigeria one has been the biggest obstacle to Nigeria and Nigerians toward lasting progress. I you are waiting to be told that by now or pretending that you don't know yet, you are not old enough to discuss Nigeria.