₦airaland Forum

Orlando Owoh: Cease from disgracing yourself. The number of people that know or do not know the throne of the Olofa of Offa does not legalize or otherwise the throne.
For your information there is a difference between Eko and Lagos. Eko is mainly Victoria Island and parts of the mainland. For those that stay in Lagos, it is not uncommon to hear bus conductors in Oshodi to be heard echoing "Eko!" right in Lagos. Eko is as different from Lagos just as the Lagos of upto 1991 was not the same as Lagos State.

Eko is mainly Victoria Island. So you dont know when one is pulling your leg? I have two houses in Victoria Island, since 1982, so I knew the place three times more than you. The name Eko is synonimous to Lagos and thats the point I was hoping to make earlier.

superstar1: They have the right of choice to vote In any direction and they are allowed to exercise their right.

So, because ondo voted for LP, that means ondo is not part of yorubaland again? See, alaigbo warped logic.

The bottling is, a yorubaman is the governor.

That is the most important thing and that is what it is.

True , they have the right to choose and so do Ikwerre. As long as am concernened based on your creative theory, Kwara is a tribe, not Yoruba and Ikwerre is a tribe, not Igbo. We don't care what languages they speak, if you decide to change your theory again, let us know.

KIRIJI: I tire for the old man o. This is the third page now and they are yet to answer my question

I dont care one bit. As long you still listen to your man, I will take it that age is not equal to tiredness, unless where you comes from it is different. I never ask for a special treatment because of your age, so this is nairaland, not an age comparing website.

superstar1: He should just mention one fulani dominated street in ilorin.

So because Hausa dominated Ama-Awusa areas in Umuahia and Owerri, therefore those areas are no longer Igboland? Try reason with your brain, not your backside. You should be addressing issues like, the pronoucements the northern establishment had made many times over Kwara and why these areas never vote for any Yoruba dominated parties like AG, AD, AC or even UPN in the past?

superstar1: So in your lame and lazy man loguc, so they don't speak yoruba, tell us what they speak then?

So, ifes, ijebus ijeshas ekitis egbas, okun and aworis are not yorubas too going by your baseless alaigbo logic.

Because Ikwerre speaks Igbo and you claimed they are not Igbos but a new tribe called b Ikwerre. So what makes you in reverse thinks that Kwara/Ilorin is Yoruba just because they are spoke Yoruba language? It hurts now, does'nt it?

KIRIJI: Your argument is ridiculous, preposterous and higly mischeivious. I have told you to mention one predominant fulani quarters in the entire Kwara state.

Ok professor Awojobi, why don't you make the unridiculous one? Quarters my azzs.

superstar1: Oga, they are not different. PH is FG bounty harvest of Biafra war.

Organise massob to chase the okrika rocking your streets and houses in PH.

If it works, we will also adopt the same strategy in ilorin.

Meanwhile, the emir in ilorin is yoruba, the Governor in kwara state is Yoruba. Same with Rivers I guess. Don't give us the amaechi being igbo talk. He is ikwerre and ikwerre people have been denying any lineage with igbos.

So spare us that.

Don't divert us from the main issue-Kwara. What makes those You are calling Yorubas in Kwara Yoruba? Is the language they speak or their supposed blue eyes?

Orlando Owoh: I expect you, going by your age and "exposure", to know that there is a difference between Kwara and Ilorin. The former is the name of a state, and the latter the capital. While there is an Emir of Ilorin, there is no Emir of Kwara. In Offa, a town of advanced education in Kwara State, their traditional ruler is Yoruba, and goes by the title of Olofa of Offa.

Try to be honest to yourself, how many Yorubas dead or alive knew any ruler called Olofa, let alone non Yoruba? Ilorin and Kwara are like Lagos and Eko, what's the difference? Potato and Potatoe. Olofa is as insignificant as Peter Obi is to PDP.

Orlando Owoh: It is obvious you do not know Olusola Saraki. He was a Senator in the Second Republic.

In the second republic, many of the master chose senate than being confined to their state. Men like J.S Tarka, Obi Wali

Orlando Owoh: Eziachi and Dede 1 aka DeludedGull have, due to their age, been unable to reason properly. Could it be in the DNA of old Igbos to get senile with age?

You seem to have lost words and a lot to say for once, because this thread is not about. GEJ, Ndigbo, Ikwerre or Biafra. Funny.

KIRIJI: Pa Eziachi, all your prophecy of doom and gloom against Kwara and Kogi shall befall your own Home town. I am sure you havent been to Kwara before and the only knowledge you have about the place is based on what you have read.

In a developed world, this will be deemed a debate, but like a typical Nigerian, once reality hits, you have rather resort cursing me, when you realised the truthfulness of what am saying. If am wrong, please kindly rebut me with your own facts. I do not lose sleep over human cursing.

KIRIJI: Is it suffice to say that Lagos is under benin control because the ruling houses of: Eshilokun, Adele-Ajosun, and Akitoye are all descendants of Ologun kutere, the daughter of Ado, a benin prince? Can we also say that Lagos is subjugated by the benins because the Eletu odibo's, Obanikoro's and other king makers in Lagos are descendants of Benin chiefs. CERTAINLY NOT!

My good friend, Binis are Yorubas by lineage, the Gambaris in Kwara are not Yorubas, they are Fulani, exercicing the right to rule over a Yoruba land conquered by the forefathers. The ruling family in Opobo are Igbo through their forefather Jaja Who originally came from Amaigbo in the present Imo. According to your reasoning, does That make Opobo Igbo land? Kwara is Yoruba land but you guys go and tell northerners That and see what happened. Despite all your bravados, the fact remains that you needs the rest of the south with you in Nigeria, especially Ndigbo, the only group in Nigeria the core north seriously thinks twice about in their Nigeria n chess game.

lagcity: Ilorin does not equal Kwara

Ilorin has an Emir, Kwara does not.

The Yoruba in Ilorin never lost their throne to anyone. They became muslims, abolished Yoruba "idol" worship and fought alongside Fulanis, Nupes and Kanuris to have their city under an emir, not a "pagan" Oba. For mischievous folks here to advocate a reclamation of Ilorin throne means that the majority of Yoruba people will have to sit down and decide that Ilorin Yoruba are to dumb to pick their own monarch. This is absurd! How do you even impose an Oba that no one wants? For foreign imposition to work, you need at least 50% of the Yorubas in Ilorin to support this.

Keep lying to yourself. All their emirs are Fulani. So we are not talking of an emir called Adewale whose ancestors were forced into Islam. In the event of Nigeria demice, Kwara/Kogi got one choice, they will go with the north. And if you dare want them with you, north will make it an Islamic issue, which will attract external foreign attention like Saudi money and militant Al qaeda. And in the end Kwara/Kogi will become a Kashmir. Your leaders knew this past and present, hence your sudden change of colour to support the north during the war and did everything during that war, from your politicians to your soldiers to impress the northern ruling establishment over your unequivocal loyalty. Let your leaders challenge this facts, many of them are now in Nairaland as a matter of fact.

musiwa112: some of you are dumb , the fulani dont own ilorin, yoruba own ilorin. emir is a religious title. it is not a tradition title.

Teacher don't teach me nonesense. Alafin, Alake, Oni and Oba are also religious titles, Mr teacher? The last I check, the religous title in that area is the chief Imam.

lagcity: Abubakar Olusola Saraki was never governor of Kwara State.

Saraki felt too big to be an ordinary state governor, so he rather remain in the position of appointing the governors. Their elections are rather a democratic culture or norm that had to be fulfilled.

[quote author=oLA AbEf€]..so many ignorant on dis thread,i wanna let u know one thing i'm igbomina kwara we speak yoruba,amala is our favourite food,dress in yoruba attire any fulani,bororo mis behave we kill them like flies d only tinz we have incommon is religion nothing more i pray nigeria to divide even yoruba nd fulani in ilorin town fight each other every time...whenever i read comment from Igbo people nd i'll started laughing..![/quote]Who cares, what you eat for brealfast or how you dress for your owambe parties, the hard fact remain that your traditional ruler remained a Fulani Emir with a root to the Sokoto sultanate by DNA, biological sons of Usman Dan Fodio. Like I had said in the past and someone had already pointed out, your only chance of rescue from Dan Fodio clan is through referendum, which required the total and strong support from the rest of the south, especially Ndigbo to achieve such a constitution. Devious manipulation to keep Nigeria one so that Kwara will remain in the same nation as the rest of the Oduduwa kingdom is not the way in this 21st century. The rest of the south has figured out that your look like handcuffed to one Nigeria is simply the Kwara/Kogi question.

KIRIJI: I challenge all you mischievious ignorant dolts, that claim Kwara is under fulani control, to mention one fulani political office holder in Kwara state. Even if it is a local government ward councillor. I also challenge you to mention one area in the whole Kwara state where the fulbe language is spoken.

You see how it hurt when people dare tell you that Kwara is a Fulani enclave with a strong case of citing the Emir of Ilorin. But you lot on the other hand made it a past time deciding who is Igbo and who is not as part of your breakfast menu. Junaid Mohamed made the statement earlier this year that in the event Nigeria seizes to exist, that Kwara is part of North and will remain so. How many of your so called Yoruba Kwara politicians including Lai Mohamed challenged him? Where were they when Saraki, their demi god said that having a Yoruba name does not make him one, that he is a northerner. When was the last time Kwara was controlled by a typical Yoruba's two digit alphabet political party like AG, AD, AC and even UPN?

Orlando Owoh: I've live with Ikwerre people from birth, they hate being associated with Ibo.

I bet they did, I went to school in Scotland with an Austrian, he hated the Germans, but that does't mean, they are not Germans. The original point I want make is your obsesión about who is an Igbo and Who isn't, when you have your own issues with Ilorin to occupy your attention with. When the time comes, Ikwerre, Kafanchan or anyone else will have the right to be what they want to be. Ikwerre not important in any way to the progress of the Igbo nation in the past, now or in the future or will they add any sort of value to it. So stop all this your obsession with who is Igbo and who is not. Emmanuel Adebayor of Togo are Yorubas, are you worrying that they chose to be Togolese than Yorubas? So Why are you going gaga all over the choice Ikwerre may or may not make? Its because your secret love of Ndigbo, that you cannot resist seeing or hearing their name. Zip up mate.

T9ksy: But why is it any concern of you Igbos? Don't you guys have better things to occupy your minds with? Like why are your youths deserting your homeland in droves to become nuisances all around the world.

Good questions. Ask your brothers Why they are so obsessed with Ikwerre is not Igbo This and That and other nonsense about Biafra make up. while You had Ilorin colonisation to keep them busy.

The answer is simply NO. Ilorin is one major reason the Yoruba seems to be hanging on to one Nigeria and always discouraging other southerners with all sorts of under hand argument/ tactics. What happens to Ilorin if or when one Nigeria comes to it's final chapter? Through Junaid Mohamed, the north has made it clear that Ilorin stays with them.

Hope Bourinho and Chelsea are watching this end to end game, not their usual park the bus football.

Boring, boring Chelsea. Waisting time at home to Swansea with a striker worth the cost of the Swansea team. Haha!

In all scope of geography, only in Nigeria that I had heard a place called South South. Good question, why not North North.

Orlando Owoh: Eziachi, all Ibo are confused.

Ok, if say so. Try sticking to your own confusion, we all got one.

sandijey: Hahahhahaha! Trying to take jabs at me won't work my dear. You and ur click are trying to include south-south in ur equation! Isn't that what this topic is about? Even if they were all former south-east, let everybody decide what they want or who they want to follow! Its that simple! No am not thick........ Cheers

Hallelujah, you finally got the point. It's by choice and not by force.

Orlando Owoh: Mid West was created to clip the wings of Awolowo in 1963. This was four years before Ojukwu declared Biafra on 30-05-1967. Even at Governor Ambrose Folorunsho Alli of Bende State was an Awolowo disciple.

So because the likes of Edwin Kogbara, Kente Giadom or M.T Mbu are disciples of Zik and later Ikemba, and they are non Igbos as well, what does it mean if Alli is to Chief Awolowo? It's not unique at all. Even Yorubas like Ogusanya or Akinfosile are apostles of Zik dating back to the 40s and continued into the 2nd republic Lol some of you knew zeech about Nigeria.

sandijey: If that's d essence then stop trying to drag them from heaven or hell!!!!!!!!!

If you are a football striker, your types will require 20 chances to score a goal. After reading every thing, you still don't get it? What is the meaning of dragging? Are you thick or what? Lol

sandijey: What's ur point? Would I also say stop coming to lagos and stay in the east? No tribe is better than any tribe. Everybody has crazy potentials to make it in the absense of one nation so don't think one tribe might have it easy! Everybody is scared about "what next" after the break up. A lot of people would suffer, a lot of people would die, where would dey start from? That to me is where the trouble is, it would take years before each region gets things right. Is it not better we have a regional government!

My points are, that, as long as you pin us down with you inside one Nigeria through a bitter war, my people are licensed to go anywhere they feel including Lagos and your kitchen. It was not our choice but your victorious fathers of one indivisible Nigerian crusaders. We warned you then that you will be so tired to see our face one day. Now you knew what my point is and stop telling us why Biafra won't work.

ketoprofen: so cross river, akwaibom, bayelsa, rivers were not part of Biafra ' was my question

It is purely down to them, their own absolute choice, where they want to belong or even own their own. Why must they be part of anybody's? Most nations in Europe like Andorra, Luxembourg etc are smaller than them. I hope you dont ask this again and your People obsession With SS and Biafra. Concentrate on what will happen to you and Kwara people, instead of taking phensic for another man's headache, when you got a running belly of your own.

sandijey: What happens to my fathers people itshekiri? Lmao......... Maybe ijaws can go wv them,but urhobo, itshekiri, okpe, etc! Would never go wiv south-east nor would they go wiv yoruba. Everybody would be on their own! Whatever it is, breaking up this country s nott gonna be easy. The best is regional government. Reduce dependence on the F.g and let everybody develop on their on pace. But for nigeria to break up, na all of us go suffer am!

Your so called fathers people and others can go to hell or heaven if they so desire. The essence of à new BIAFRA is to build a nation of its indigenous people, a nation of the willing, not a smaller photocopy of NIGERIA.

Orlando Owoh: Biafra can go with whoever they want but not with my part of Delta State - I'm Itsekiri.

Have you been reading all I had been writing? Itshekiri can go to hell if they wish. You had never been part of Biafra in the past and never will be in future. Before 1914, my ancestors had more dealings even with the current English Cameroonians than your people. Stop talking yourself up, we don't need liabilities of old Nigeria. Itshekiri my zzz!

shigo slim: I'm typical yoruba man, some fellow yoruba here it's seem they were yoruba of lagosian who has nver understand the real n original yoruba, who has never know either Yam is being harvested from tree or from yam tuber.

I 'll just state little how yoruba we survive without stupid oil, also for igbo who think they put for food on our table should get the fact here.

1 Yoruba are Agriculturalist who can cultivate n turn to production, we are already bless with all sort of things, we can plant cocoa, maize, gunie corn, Rice, Beans, casava, yam tomato, sugar Cain, grundnult, Mellon, e.tc.
2 talk of Agriculture live stock, in Nigeria yoruba produce the large quantity of Eggs, we are good poultry farming such as foul, goat, sheep cow even do the hausa!fulani brought their cow to south west for green pasture infact there is much to state in livestock production.

2 yoruba has already being bless by boundaries such as Benin republic along oyo state shaki town, exception of lagos see port, Ghana border e.t.c. For electricity generation come oyo state in iseyin local government where we have ikere gogde dam second largest in African

3 minerals resource we have iron, cement, gold in ofiki in oyo state, copper, rubers, oil in ondo
so much to state, let the country breaks so fast and see who we laugh last. Yeye igbo na them go surfer most.

That's our point, if you got those unlimited potentials, stop hanging up to one Nigeria like a leech and spent all your times blackmailing us with your 1001 reasons why Biafra won't work. Your action is better than your thousands of words. We will be watching your stance at that conference after all your long narratives.