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Sagamite: You are a person!

A moronic product of a failed madrassa education system.

How can catholicism be part of Western civilisation when Western civilisation is based on and promotes secularity?

good heavens! sagamouse you're a Godd.amned i'diot!

you set a new low for stupidity with every post.

you think the west has always been secular ?

chei! ignoramus!

Sagamite: Since when did Western civilisation become a theocratic one?

if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times! sagamouse you're a Godda.m.ed i'diot

what part of this says western "civilisation" is theocratic?

F00028: yes you blithering i'diot, catholicism is part of your civilisation too.

WHAT'RE YOU?...12?

you wouldn't know a mo.ron if it jumped up and bit you...Godda.mn imbecil'e.

Sagamite: Fcking mooron talking about paedophilia when that is a culture in many Islamic civilisations.

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if that's true then how come its your catholic church that has institutionalised it?

yes you blithering i'diot, catholicism is part of your civilisation too.

how come just one country in your "civilised" world records 3.3
million case of child abuse involving nearly 6 million children
over 300,000 of those cases involve sexual abuse?

http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics

all4naija: @ F00028.

What is your argument in simple concise and precise sentence? Please, I don't understand your argument!

that slowpoke sagamouse, claims the western civilisation is better than the Islamic, so my contention is how is it better if: it has given this world more bloodshed and destruction than any other(e.g. ww1, ww2-60,000,000 dead);
it produces genocidal mass murdering maniacs(e.g. hitler, stalin, enver hoxha, milosevic,etc); it decimates/ wipes out indigenous populations especially non western (e.g america, canada, south america, australia, africa); for 300 hundred years it conducted the most brutal, (in)human trafficking (est. 100,000,000 victims); presently it is not looking good because social decay has become the norm, child abuse, violent crime, degradation of women, ra.pe, paedophilia are all rampant; and lastly its in decline even by his own admission Asia is on a path to overtake it.

there. yes, its one sentence.

me? battered?? by someone with the i.q of a screw driver? ? ?

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-your favourite civilisation has given this world more bloodshed and destruction than any other - ww1, ww2:60,000,000 dead.

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-produces genocidal mass murdering maniacs- hitler, stalin, enver hoxha, milosevic, et al,

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-decimates/ wipes out indigenous populations especially non western- america, canada, south america, australia, africa

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-for three hundred years conducted the most brutal, (in)human trafficking- est. 100,000,000 victims

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-and the PRESENT DAY (emphasis yours) is not looking good- social decay had become the norm, child abuse, violent crime, degradation of women, ra.pe, paedophilia

cheddarking: Honestly bruv, Stop being stup1d...
What you've written must have sounded witty in your head, but it's pretty lame.
Just let it go, you've been shown to be a dunce. Take it on the chin and move on....

hey, you do what you gotta do to make your guy feel like he's worth some thing...now go make some cheese with your broke a**

cheddarking: Mehn this F2008 dude stup1d no be small...
See the way Saggy is using you to wipe his arsse..


Please, Please, Please, I beg you stop chatting Shyt Mr F2080, just go and read your book cos you be confam Olodo...

P.s. I dont believe Sagamite is of any superior intellect, but thats a story for another day...

opinions are like arsseholes: everybody's got one. just that some stink more than others.

p.s: is this your alter ego, sagamouse?

sagamouse, you are a Goddam.ned i'diot! backup your first assertion then you can ask me questions.

ask anything! I dont scare easy

I REPEAT:
I never said the the Islamic civilisation was better. you said your western civilisation was better. you made the claim. you substantiate it.

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you want to win this "debate" so bad show us how your western civilisation is better not how they are similar you dimwitted fucktardimite.
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if I say your rover is no better than my honda because your rover is a gas guzzler. you don't prove it is better by saying my honda also guzzles.

my God! don't they teach anything in those ajegunle schools?

a first year madrasa student has a better grasp of logic than you. i'diot!

Sagamite: person! Show me how Islamic civilisation is better!

sagamouse, you are a Goddam.ned i'diot!

I never said the the Islamic civilisation was better. you said your western civilisation was better. you made the claim. you substantiate it.

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you want to win this "debate" so bad show us how your western civilisation is better not how they are similar you dimwitted fucktardimite.
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my God! don't they teach anything in those ajegunle schools? :-/


and if you ever get to it, prove these are false:

-your favourite civilisation has given this world more bloodshed and destruction than any other - ww1, ww2:60,000,000 dead, Spanish inquisition, crusades,

-produces genocidal mass murdering maniacs- hitler, stalin, enver hoxha, milosevic, et al,

-decimates/ wipes out indigenous populations especially non western- america, canada, south america, australia, africa

-for three hundred years conducted the most brutal, (in)human trafficking- est. 100,000,000 victims

-and the PRESENT DAY (emphasis yours) is not looking good- social decay had become the norm, child abuse, violent crime, degradation of women, ra.pe, paedophilia

-and it's in decline- according to you aisia is no the speed lane about to overtake it

oh sagamouse, you're back! and in all your pristine stupidity too.

Sagamite: Cretin comparing Okada to a luxury car.

the okada is from honest to God labour, the luxury car is ill gotten wealth... but a short sighted, materialistic atheist will never get that.

this is what I said:

F00028: Islam is more than just a religion. its a complete integral system, guidence from God for every facet of human existence but you say that's all absolute tosh!

-fine. what do you have that's better?

you want to win this "debate" so bad show us how your western civilisation is better not how they are similar you dimwitted fucktardimite.

finally! I was sick and tired of having to play nice to a blithering i'diot.

sagamouse your imbecilic self done forgot we aint talking about the Islamic civilisation. you've already discounted it. so I asked what you got that's better and according to you its the western "civilisation".


DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-your favourite civilisation has given this world more bloodshed and destruction than any other - ww1, ww2:60,000,000 dead.

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-produces genocidal mass murdering maniacs- hitler, stalin, enver hoxha, milosevic, et al,

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-decimates/ wipes out indigenous populations especially non western- america, canada, south america, australia, africa

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-for three hundred years conducted the most brutal, (in)human trafficking- est. 100,000,000 victims

DID YOU PROVE THIS WAS FALSE?
-and the PRESENT DAY (emphasis yours) is not looking good- social decay had become the norm, child abuse, violent crime, degradation of women, ra.pe, paedophilia

I dont know which mushroom southern polythecnic you learnt english but thats how you "murder" points.


you ignoramus if they were merely imitating they would always be behind now, won't they?

you said:

Sagamite: This same model is now being adopted in Asia and they are on a path to overtake the West!

no go read book with your ignorant self. siddon there think say you dey intelligent. mu.mu

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Now God by definition is the uncreated creator of everything. Therefore, it simply follows that God knows everything about everything. Nothing is outside God's creation.[/quote]that disqualifies Jesus Christ then

inurmind: ''It is always better to have no ideas than false ones, to beleive nothing, than to believe what is wrong.''

Thomas Jefferson

how do you know what is wrong?

you're a classics case of self delusion.
...some how I liked you better when you were all hot air and profanity. at least then you were being yourself.
but this pretension of intellect dey one kind...

Sagamite: ...and you know your point has been murdered

when/where exactly did you use your "education" to murder these points:
-your favourite civilisation has given this world more bloodshed and destruction than any other - ww1, ww2:60,000,000 dead.

-produces genocidal mass murdering maniacs- hitler, stalin, enver hoxha, milosevic, et al,

-decimates/ wipes out indigenous populations especially non western- america, canada, south america, australia, africa

-for three hundred years conducted the most brutal, (in)human trafficking- est. 100,000,000 victims

-and the PRESENT DAY (emphasis yours) is not looking good- social decay had become the norm, child abuse, violent crime, degradation of women, ra.pe, paedophilia

-and it's in decline- according to you aisia is no the speed lane about to overtake it

Sagamite: So explain to me then who the main super power was back then.

Then proceed to tell me what you expected them to do that they did not do.

I am not your history teacher. I've done my research, you do yours if want to rebut my assertions

that not all the bible was inspired should be clear any one who reads Luke 1:1-3

Sagamite: I hope you realise if the Saudis have taken their "Swords of Allah" and gone to fight the Germans to save the Jews (obviously with the benefit of unmatched, transcendental hindsight) then we would not have had the Isreal-Palestine conflict?

So how come the Saudis did not stop it before it happened?

the genocide was going on in europe's backyard, the reining super power at the time was european and you are asking why saudi arabia didn't stop it ?!?

Sagamite: I have noted your line of argument has been repeatedly to criticise or find faults in Western civilisation...

so just because you hold out western 'civilisation' as the best, we can't look below the surface? it shouldn't be scrutinized
you're a regular uncle tom. if malcolm x were here he'd call you a "house nig***"

Sagamite: Lets try again. Have another go:

let's not.
you really don't get it, do you?

its in decline because of its fanaticism and disregard for the other deep rooted civilizations existing in the world, among other things.
much to the dismay of huntington.

which means it won't be tomorrow. just like the islamic civilisation which flourished for centuries and sowed the seeds for your precious western civilisation.

Sagamite: What a moronic statement?
Let me drop down to your level: Why did YOU not stop it? Or maybe, why did Saudi Arabia not go and stop it?

Stop making moronic statements!

every time you call a statement moronic, bs, etc, you then go on to make the most moronic statement yet!

the genocide was going on in europe's backyard, the reining super power at the time was european and you are asking why saudi arabia didn't stop it ?!?

Sagamite: But you can not say what you like in Saudi?

You can not even walk on the road with a woman you are not related at that 1am or even 3pm in the afternoon?

Your wife can not drive in Saudi?

She cannot even bloody go outor go to work in Saudi on her own?

But you could do all that in the USA?

BULL!
you should really get out more.

I see men and women together in public all the time. I have never seen them stopped and asked to prove their identities...but if you have proof...

and your wife may go out freely in the u.s but she has contend with all those perpetrators: serial killers, rap.ist, muggers, and people who act out of sheer racial hatred.

do you have any idea of the rate of violent crimes against women in your free society?

Sagamite: Okay. So tell me which is the superior civilisation in the last 30 years!

Which civilisation has triumphed?

I can show you which one is in decline:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/8362325/Niall-Ferguson-why-the-West-is-now-in-decline.html

Sagamite: Stop chatting shyt.
That is why they put people on trial in Nuremburg?

that's after the fact! they could have stopped it.

now who's chatting shyt?

Sagamite: No I want to educate you on how to make comparisons.

I already have my own education. you just worry about yours and let it shine through.

Sagamite: Someone can not be on an Okada to work and start criticising another person that his mates are driving Range Rover while the person is driving an Honda EOD to work!

that only makes sense to a materialist.

if the the rover and eod were obtained with ill gotten wealth then I'd rather be on the okada.

Sagamite: I would rather live in the USA than live in Bahrain or UAE talkless of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Qatar, Kuwait, North Africa etc...

I've lived in the u.s and saudi. I'd leave my hotel around 1am and walk to the mosque and walk back. I wouldn't even think about doing that in jersey.

Sagamite: Show me where I said so.

the Islamic religion is central to the civilisation but you say the religion is tosh. so it stands to reason that to you the civilisation is tosh as well. but if never implied that then it's my mistake.

Sagamite: You are saying it is not the leader that normally dictates the course of action of people especially in medieval times?

we are not talking about medieval times. you said to cut the history.

Sagamite: So how come they let go of the free labour if industrialisation was what stopped them?

Sagamite: Did the westerners stand by and watch or give excuses like muslims do to "defend their brothers"?

yes, they did.
the western allies didnt do diddley squat to stop the holocaust.

Sagamite: Can you use your bandwith to get the figures...
Can you use your bandwith to explain to me...
Can you use your banwith to show us...

really now. you want me to hold up both ends of this discussion ?

Sagamite: Substantiate what?

That Northerners are not sending their kids to be almajiri who only know how to recite the Quran?

That Northerners are not rejecting/limiting western education for the sake arabic/islamic education?

Amsorry. What do you need substantiated about the obvious?

it is not obvious. it's make believe...but if you can prove it....

Sagamite: You tell me the impact of western civilisation on the people and contrast it with the impact of islamic civilisation!

why do you keep bringing up the islamic civilisation? according to you it is without merit.
so we want something better from you. and according to you that's the western civilisation. we only ask that it meets the same standards by which you measured the islamic civilisation.

but since you asked:

within 30 years of the muslim’s arrival in spain they noticeably renovated the society. within a century they transformed it into one of the most grand, advanced civilizations ever to inhabit the earth. its great cities, cordoba, seville, toledo, and granada, became the centers for the dissemination of knowledge and the advancement of civilization for five complete centuries.

according to goldstein the islamic cities were ‘urban, commercial, sophisticated, exotic, and cosmopolitan”.

the fact is the muslims created the world’s first sophisticated, advanced civilization.

scholars and clergymen came from all over europe- italy, france, germany, denmark, holland, switzerland, and england- to learn from the immense islamic output.

this environment is aptly described by renan, who says there were “no barriers of race, culture, or nationality at the muslim institutions. muslims, christians, and jews studied on the same level with complete racial tolerance.”

AND THEY DIDN’T HERD AND MURDER JEWS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS

(“Science In The Name Of God: How Men Of God Originated The Sciences” by Kasem, Dr. Khaleel, Knowledge House Publishers (July 1, 2003).

Sagamite: Slavery would have even ended earlier than that but powerful people in society had invested heavily in it. It is a difficult message to tell people to destroy their "assets" (which they paid money for) without any compensation and pauperise themselves. There were even many slave owners that felt slavery was wrong but could not stop it without facing the rash realities of poverty. That was what made it exist longer than the early 1800s. They fought a fcking war over the abolition of slavery well before the technological industrial revolution ffs!
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Lord of Mercy! you didn't just say that!

"slavery is bad but we dont want to be poor so we'll keep and work these blacks like animals and work them till they drop dead a little while longer."

I bet Jesus is real proud of those poor white christian slave owners

Sagamite: Lets look at another example, Northern Nigeria is practicing theocratic education, Southern Nigeria is practicing Western education. Nuff said!

can you substantiate that or you just have the urge to say something bad about them because they are not yoruba and predominantly Muslim

Sagamite: That is absolute rubbish!

Although I can not think of any civilisation that takes it as a course of action to wipeout subdued populations, since every civilisation has its rational population. But if I was to think of the number of cases of decimating sub-dued populations, which should mostly be more attributed to individual leaders' philosophy rather than to the civilisation itself…

no, that is absolute rubbish!

the individual leader doesn’t got out and kill all those people all by himself!

If you cant think of any then let me help you: western “civilisation”!

you should study the impact your western civilisation had on the indigenous people of places like america, canada, south america, austrailia and of course, africa. let me know if you still can’t see a pattern.

Sagamite: BS!

Abolitionism started in the 16th century (mid 1700), was intense and unpopular by the early 1800s (already banned across Europe) and slavery was abandoned by in the last bastion (USA) by the mid 1800s.

The Technological industrial revolution was mostly established in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

Do you even consider this stuff you post?

according to you abolitionism took 100 (ONE HUNDRED) YEARS!

one hundred years to stop treating your ancestors like animals. you want we should give them a medal?

when the industrial revolution began to take hold britain, for one, realised they didn’t need slaves before then the humanitarian had been shouting themselves hoarse....for 100 years!

Sagamite: This point is tosh. Hard labour was still a big factor in the western world by the time slavery was abolished. After that, poor white people were still going down mines with their kids, working their butts off in tough conditions and dying like rats from hard labour.

at least your “poor white people” got paid fo’ it ‘cos them nig.g.ers didn’t get sh.i.t! for 300 hundred years (excuse my swahili)

Sagamite: You want to use a singular lunatic's action that the whole of the West fought tooth and nail as a representation of the West?

hitler had help. Between him and stalin they managed to exterminate about 14 million NON COMBATANTS!

ever hear of slobadan milosovic or enver hoxha?

Sagamite: So tell me the crime figures in UK, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Ireland, Italy, Canada etc.

Or is the USA the sole representation of "Western"?

uk:
- 2,164,000 violent incidents during 2007/08 against adults in england and wales
- approximately 47,000 rapes occur every year in the uk
- increase in murder rates. Metropolitan Police reported the most incidents, with 167 murders in 2007/8, up from 158.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/hosb0708chap3.pdf http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/documents/Rape%20-%20The%20Facts.doc http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2287360/Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-guncrime. html

if you want more use your own bandwith.

Sagamite: So how come this "backward civilisation", as you see it, is the one that attracts migrants? How come they are not heading to Arabia? Where do YOU live yourself?

That is a whole new subject of discussion.

Sagamite: …This same model is now being adopted in Asia and they are on a path to overtake the West!

well, if they are over taking the west then either the west has abandoned a clearly working model or niall ferguson didn’t get the full picture. in any case maybe we should be looking up to the “asian civilisation”…am just saying.

he is the last in a long line of God's guides to humanity.

if the three are one, how is it possible to blaspheme one and not the other?

Sagamite: I don't think it is the theocracy that brought about their science stuff, that is just coincidental...

"The Prophet of Islam placed great emphasis upon religious and scientific studies, thus, Islam’s conquerors, rulers, rapidly established the madrasa scholastic system in whatever land they controlled. This was the first institution installed after Salahideen’s re-conquest of Jerusalem. He regarded it as greater import than the mosques.

Without the madrasas, Salahideen realized, Islam would fail to be revived. During the 7th century Caliph ‘Umar ordered the construction of madrasas throughout the Islamic Empire."

Sagamite: If you believe a civilisation known for wiping out whole towns after surrender will not do the same if they had powers, then keep dreaming.

decimating or wiping out subdued populations (especially non western) is what the western civilisation is notorious for.

Sagamite: So how did the industrial revolution restrict them and stop slavery?

they now had machines! they suddenly didn't need all those nig...i mean..africans by the ship load any more

Sagamite: People are fighting, so what did you expect? One party should not kill another party trying to kill it?..

those 6 million jews were not fighting. they were non combatants herded in to concentration camps and murdered in cold blood. 6 million! but now that i come to think of it even 60,000 is dramatic enough to make the point.

Sagamite: The western civilisation is better than Islamic civilisation in history and in, MORE IMPORTANTLY, present day.

technological advancement, sure but at what expense. they have social decay and violent crimes: rapes, murders, paedophilia,
take the u.s for instance:

16,204 murders a year

9,369 murders with firearms in one year

2,019,234 prisoners and this has increased since 2002

95,136 rapes per year

420,637 robberies per year

11,877,218 total crimes per year

-https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
-The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United
Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
-UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on
crime victims. March.
-The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (2002) (United
Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
-52 UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on
crime victims. March.

Sagamite: I am sure the Arabs themselves killed of several people during their spread of Islam.

nothing even close to your western “civilization” even at the height of their power. and if you want a religion spread by the sword, it’s called ‘christianity’. your criticism is misdirected. we can compare notes if you like.

Sagamite: Are you saying if it was another racial group that had the kind of western powers during that era, they would not do the same thing?

yes. that's what I am saying

Sagamite: Tell me which civilisation did not take slaves. Name them.

Even the holy Muhammed took slaves. The only leading religious icon that did that...

no slavers in history can match the barbarity of the european slavers, from the traders down to the owners even with all their civilization and so called “religion of love” values.
if not for the industrial revolution they may still be taking slaves today.

Sagamite: You mean they planned to kill themselves?

They woke up in the morning and thought "lets kill ourselves"? Lets pile it up and destroy our economies.

60 million dead people was the result due to their deliberate actions and regardless of their motivation. that is not something you can overlook when consideration the merits of any “civilization”.

Sagamite: Cut the BS history.

you forget wole soyinka's warning: History matters. Records are not kept simply to assist the weakness of memory, but to operate as guides to the future...

Sagamite: Look at the modern day. Their history and their modern day are better than the Islamic one. Till today, they are more humane and civilised than Arab/Islamic civilisation. They are more socially, technologically and judicially advanced than Arab/Islamic civilisation.

will do…soon as I clear my desk.

Sagamite: Yep!

those same westerners that left europe, went to america, killed off the natives, kidnapped millions of your black ancestors for forced labour?

the west that gave us two "world wars" , 60,000,000 people dead (a lot of them non westerners)?

that west

Sagamite: As a religion, in my view, Islam is the most inferior out of all major religions purely because of its intolerance and violence.

As a civilisation, it has been said that the Western civilisation is superior to the Islamic one, I could not concur more to that statement.

Even Yoruba civilisation was better.

so the western way is better? its system of government, legal system, financial system, etc?
(the youruba civilisation is defunct. it doesn't count.)

Sagamite: Better system than what?

Islam is more than just a religion. its a complete integral system, guidence from God for every facet of human existence but you say that's all absolute tosh!

-fine. what do you have that's better?