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[quote author=Paris_Love]Is oxford dictionary my bible? [/quote]really, that's your response
a fact is a fact even if its not in your bible. in any case I can see why they left that out.

when you celebrate christmas on dec.25 is that date in your bible

[quote author=Paris_Love]Those emperors and noblities re not authorities or models to be followed in Christianity. Their actions do not correspond with the basic teachiñgs of christianity.[/quote]ofcoure they do! they were following Joseph and "the mother of God's" example.

plus they also had a bible:
- that allowed 3 year olds to be forced into sex,
- that allowed fathers to sell their daughters into (sex) slavery,
- that allowed fathers to stick their fingers into their daughters private part,

there really isn't a lot of regard for the female in christianity


[quote author=Paris_Love]And didn't your prophet lust after a crawling baby? Umar later snatched her up @ 5[/quote]liar, liar.


[quote author=Paris_Love]Dem say who say na dem go tire e. See
me see wahala[/quote]your scholars


[quote author=Paris_Love]Do i seem jewish to you? Am yet to see
or hear of rabbi that married a 3yr old.[/quote]so? because YOU never see nko?
like say you get wettin oyinbo de call "an over bloated sense of self estimation"
SMH

[quote author=Paris_Love]There's a every possible chance that your
imam is a ped0phile fu©king an underage
girl as that's halal.[/quote]since we're on about possibilities, there's also every possible chance that every man in your family is a ped0phile.

meritdee: Another technical question is:

Imagine you are driving a bus. When you start your trip there are an old lady named Johnson and a long-haired kid on the bus. At the first stop the lady leaves and a businessman enters. At the next stop Frankie, a young boy, enters with his little sister. Then three old ladies who have been shopping in the mall get on. After a short trip the long-haired kid leaves the bus and a man and lady enter. Paul with his dog Blue gets on, while Frankie and his sister get off, and, finally, the bus arrives at the bus station. What is the name of the bus driver?

Johnson

[quote author=Paris_Love][color=#006600]Lol we've Pastors that re the bolded? Even if we do that's not the norm. The murderers and molesters re criminals, when they're caught, they're despised and punished....[/quote]-Mary the mother of Jesus according to the Oxford Dictionary of the Bible was pregnant at the age of 12 and married off to Joseph between the ages of 7 and 9.
(and your God allowed that )



- Christian Byzantine emperors and nobilities also had bride as young as 8 years old.

- in response to Numbers 31:17-18 your scholars say Moses directed the killing of every girl 3 years upward.

- even Rabbis explicitly state numerous times in the Talmud: "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse".

danwo: @F00028

What you on about?

Obadiah777 said all those references I submitted were letters, which is why I was asking him whether that Isaiah 53:5 prophecy too is a letter

He kept schtum on that, keeping his peace

letter or not it was not about Jesus Christ. you should stop putting it out there like it is.
peace.

danwo: ^^^^

I don't completely follow you.

Isaiah 53:5 is a letter too?

ahem...Isaiah 53:5 does not refer to Jesus what makes you think that?


if you want old testament prophesy about Jesus try psalm 91

Ayomivic: are you a christian? Why are you so confused like athiests and others religions? Many prophets had foretold the death of Jesus Christ and the significance of his death. Jesus knew this while on earth. So his death was not by mistake at all.

he knew then explain me this:

F00028: he told his followers to buy weapons, he ran to gethsamane, put guards in place, went deeper inside and stationed more people, then prayed earnestly to God make this wahala just pass and in the end on the cross he cried : my God, my God why have forsaken me?

does that sound to you like somebody who was here to die for you or even wanted to die for you?

ATMC: sorry u hear, little wonder ur life is d way it is...u r ur belief!

read ur bible now

k2039: Sounds to me like you not a christian(the bolded is the premise for my assumption).
I will just assume I didnt see your post.
It will be a waste of my precious time explaining to you(but think about this,praying for someone(devil) who is doomed for hell already sounds logical to you)

hey! love Evil Brain. and if you love him/her take the time to show him/her the light.

ATMC: u mean he tried to stop his death and couldn't? How?

he told his followers to buy weapons, he ran to gethsamane, put guards in place, went deeper inside and stationed more people, then prayed earnestly to God make this wahala just pass and in the end on the cross he cried : my God, my God why have forsaken me?

does that sound to you like somebody who was here to die for you or even wanted to die for you?

ATMC: @op jesus came to bring us d truth but in d process he was accused of blasphemy and killed...but he could have stopped his death but he did not...

he tried! he didn't make it. you never read bible?

e dey write exam

is this the Mr_Anony fan page?

Ihedinobi: Can you imagine what would happen if that bolded word were changed to "became"? You'd hit upon the wonder and beauty of the Gospel and the glory of the Trinity.

why would I do that? such a deliberate distortion.

Ihedinobi: By refusing to note the point in "in a sense", you're escalating the argument.

you're right. let's just let it go. Anony said it wasn't a perfect example anyway.

Ihedinobi: One human being plus one human being plus one human being equals three human beings. Why? Because a human being is a finite entity. The math holds with all finite things. We know God to be infinite. Tell me now how that turns out in your reasoning.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, Ihedinobi, but Jesus was a human being and as I recall a very important part of that equation.

Ihedinobi: Do you think perhaps at some point you'll stop equating God to man? You'd be amazed what happens then. I bet you the Trinity will work then

well the bible makes that almost impossible. 'cos it keeps throwing stuff at you like:
God is a man,
He weeps,
He begets,
He repents,
He wrestles...and is beaten.
etc, etc
you know, stuff like that makes it pretty darn difficult if not impossible.

Ihedinobi: So?



There is a sense in which you are wrong. Examples like "you look an awful lot like....(somebody)"; "his way of thinking sometimes has me thinking he's really......(somebody)"; "there's something about those two. If they didn't look so different, you'd think that they're the same guy. Dude A cries at the movies, hates snakes, thinks sunsets are pink. If you went camping with Dude B, you'd think every vine was a snake, if you went to the movies with Dude B, you'd need new handkerchiefs the next day, if you hung out at a beach with Dude B, you'd think the sun was created by a girl" come to mind. They tell you that in a sense, a person's spirit is them, their soul is them, their body is them.

a dead body is not considered a person and neither would a person's spirit. it would be called so and so's spirit.

Ihedinobi: How does "these three are one" contradict "the Lord our God is one God"?

because "these three are one" makes no sense and is not consistent with the clear teachings of Jesus and the prophets. "the Lord our God is one God" however, not only makes sense shows consistency.

Ihedinobi: So?

so if they are three distinct entities they cant be one at the same time. such a fantastic qualification the One that is God has no clear basis in any of the pronouncments of Jesus who you say is the final word.

but the one way your precious trinity would work is you abolish the biblical God as an entity and reestablish Him as a function. I bet you the trinity would work then.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]....but then again nothing Ihedinobi said there paints God as a commitee.[/quote]what part of THREE did you not understand?
among other things they are distinct entities.


[quote author=Mr_Anony]A good place to start when contemplating Trinity is by looking at man as a trinity of body, soul and spirit - both the same and yet distinct entities (this is not a perfect analogy but just used to give you an idea)[/quote]you are right, bad example. those entities individually cannot be called 'man'.



[quote author=Mr_Anony]Not that I normally do this but let me run a verse by you.
Consider this:

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1John 5:7

What do you think of it?[/quote]I have come across it before. first, remember you stated that when it comes to christian belief, Jesus is law. these are not the words of Jesus.

ordinarily that shouldn't be a problem except they contradict his clear teachings on the subject. clear unambiguous statements like there is only One True God, who has no equals for He is Greater than all, etc

and no how I'm gon' take the words of any man OVER those of Jesus the Christ...you shouldn't either.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, and what part of Trinity says that God is a committee of three?[/quote]this part:
Ihedinobi:
"That's what the Trinity explains:
THREE People, one God, EACH OF THEM fully
God and ALL OF THEM together God."

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You really don't understand Trinity. Anyway before we continue, let me ask: Are you willing to accept the authority of the bible on the issue?[/quote]yes please.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol[/quote]Mr. Anony, despite everything you're O.K

[quote author=Mr_Anony]What part of Trinity says that God is not One?[/quote]the part that says He is a committee of three

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Could you please tell us what you know Trinity to be.[/quote]asked and answered

[quote author=Mr_Anony]lol, you are such a funny chap.

First you asked me whether Jesus Christ had the same view about God's justice and mercy, I basically said "yes, see John 3". Then you immediately start whinging that I don't know what I am talking about and I am not your teacher bla bla bla,
Funny thing is if I had not given you a bible chapter to look at, you'll equally start whinging that I am just making things up and it doesn't have bible backing bla bla bla.

So my friend, It is because I am not your teacher that I didn't read the verse to you myself. Please read it and tell me if it contradicts what I have been saying or if it agrees with it and then we can discuss. Your whinging is really not necessary.

You cannot rightfully claim that I don't know something unless you know what it is I am supposed to know.[/quote]hey, whatever makes you happy. you can keep telling yourself that if you think it makes your weak verbal acrobatics seem like a superior argument.

i'll stop now before this exchange turns into a pointless put-down match. we'll meet again hopefully on a topic you can properly elucidate and back up.

frosbel: Why is the bible silent on this subject thereby requiring a multitude of teachers to search the scriptures earnestly for proof that it exists ?

Surely if this was such an important topic...

here's something Jesus was not silent about: "the Lord our GOD is ONE Lord" mr.12:29

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, just as I thought. You were never really seeking answers now were you?

....It is funny how you ask to know something yet when pointed towards the answer, you turn around and reject it without even considering it. Then you turn around and claim that I don't know what I am talking about and accuse me of "acrobatics" (all because you no wan read bible). Lol, you are a funny character.[/quote]bros, i don read am tire.

..and i was looking for answers. but you have to realise this isn't class, you aren't my teacher. therefore you can't direct me to go read up a whole chapter just because you don't know the answer to my question. ( is "escapism" even a word )

rather you should say: "gee, f00028 i don't know but the answer may be in John 3. let's read it together" (or words to that effect)
or just pass the buck to Ihedinobi

Ihedinobi: Let me explain our situation a little to you. You have asked me two questions demanding yes-or-no answers neither of which options was adequate. So, I explained that while there is no crystallized, that is, standalone, focused teaching on the Trinity attributable to either Old Testament prophets or to Jesus Himself, all their teachings were founded upon it. I explained further that this is because teachings/arguments/discourses are always premised.

Assumptions must be made by the teacher. They form the premises for his delivery. The teachings of any given authority are only as valid and authoritative as their premises.

how can a teacher assume the students know something that he knows he or anyone else for matter hasn't taught them
that is the reason why i asked you if any of the older prophets before Jesus taught man the trinity, then Jesus himself. but now we are getting somewhere.

Ihedinobi: ...Then I claim that these people you asked about premised their teachings upon the Trinity. In saying so, I have answered all three questions you have now asked. I have declared that they taught the Trinity even without devoting specific attention to it. I have also declared that I got my knowledge of the Trinity from their own teachings

give me an example, please.

Ihedinobi: Do you really? Consider my responses to those points before you do o.

I just did and if it was your intention to confuse me so I forget the original query...you succeeded.

now my third question: since none of the prophets of old taught the trinity, Jesus Christ himself didn't teach it, how did you get it?

Enigma: What I have always said is that to attribute the idea of the Trinity as an "invention" of/at the Nicene council is due to ignorance or intellectual dishonesty.

I stand by that.

so it was invented elsewhere. how does that make it anymore valid?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Perhaps, you may want to give me your definition of justice as regards crime and punishment.


Oh yes He did!

Lol, anyway, I think I have been able to pass across to you the message of salvation and I believe your have gotten it because the questions you are asking now are no longer questions that truly seek answers rather questions that you are hoping will destabilize me.

You may want to study Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus in John chapter 3

I know the next card you'll probably want to play now is "Where did Jesus really say....?" (hmm, I remember a serpent who said something like that in Genesis, lol)

I think I am done with tangents for now, please I implore you to study John 3 and tell me what you understood. And then perhaps we can have a really interesting and engaging conversation[/quote]sigh...there you go again assuming too much. not everything is about you.

and about john 3, am not studying anything. if you haven't understood it find some else to teach it to you.

I think I am done with your acrobatics. you just dont have the answers and are not man enough to admit it.

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frosbel: I am sorry but I read this and had to add......


1. You said "There is no ambiguity in the Bible about the Trinity " - actually there is , otherwise the confusion we see today will be non-existent
2. You said "But neither is there any crystallized teaching on it " - only reinforces the confusion
3. You said "My point is that the teachings of the Bible assume the Trinity." - Open ended statement. You cannot base your arguments on assumptions.

thanks.

well I rest my case.