coogar:

rooney as the MOTM?
with his misplaced passes and general poor play? fergie is just being funny. jones will never be even considered to be better than djemba-djemba if he doesn't play in the defence(as a centre half) - that is his natural position. his positioning and technique is 4th grade.

mbulela: btw, how worse can Valencia get?
Dude is scaring me with his atrocious performances this season.

coogar: gareth bale won the pfa player of the year

what a joke!!! van persie scored against all the top teams away from home. etihad, emirates, anfield, white hart lane, etc!

Mr_TA: I'm pretty worried about the fact that Nani gets far more stick than Valencia. Valencia has been borderline atrocious this season but its Nani that gets most stick and gets asked to be sold.

elampiro:
At the end of the season, we shall see who the best goalkeeper goes to. Perhaps the only time I will return to remind you and De Gea.

United facebook page has no rival in keeping up with Manchester United. You get to know things as they happen. When they are raw, being cooked and when ready to serve.

Bye.

coogar:

elampiro, come back and eat your vomitus.
de gea is the best goalie in the division as i predicted almost 6 weeks ago. alan hansen and dailymirror have you fooled!

elampiro:

No one fooled me, it is what I watched and saw. If today I am a coach of a team, I will start Cech, Hart ahead of De Gea in that order. But since the EPL officials have said he is the best, I rest my argument even though I highly disagree. In about 70% of our matches this season, De Gea made me nervous, I actually think the players over laboured to protect him. Even against Aston Villa he fumbled a simple crossing into the 18 box and it was RVP who cleared again from goal line in the resulting corner. These are suppose to be simple balls for goalkeepers.

Remember too, Bale won the best player. Is he really the best?

elampiro:

No one fooled me, it is what I watched and saw. If today I am a coach of a team, I will start Cech, Hart ahead of De Gea in that order. But since the EPL officials have said he is the best, I rest my argument even though I highly disagree. In about 70% of our matches this season, De Gea made me nervous, I actually think the players over laboured to protect him. Even against Aston Villa he fumbled a simple crossing into the 18 box and it was RVP who cleared again from goal line in the resulting corner. These are suppose to be simple balls for goalkeepers.

Remember too, Bale won the best player. Is he really the best?

dayokanu: You would choose Hart ahead of De Gea?

Joe hart is the biggest scam in this seasons English football

Fabville:

I don't know from which perspective you watch matches. Did you watch Man City vs West Ham? Since De Gea arrived in England, he has never made such error. Most of the errors made by Hart in this season are school boys errors that De Gea have never made. You need to concede to superior argument when you see one. No matter how you look at it he is the best goalie this season. That was our (Coogar and i0I) argument and we supported it with facts while you depended so much on some articles written by Alan Hansen & co.
You said defenders over laboured to protect him. I totally disagree because he was so much alive to his duties as a good goalie even when we didn't have a stable defence line because of injuries. If not for his sharp reflexes we wouldn't have won this title the way we have won it. Defenders are supposed to give protection to their goalie as their primary duty. But if you don't have good/stable defence line, then you don't have to blame goalie for conceding goals cos there is a limit to what he can do.

Fabville:

I don't know from which perspective you watch matches. Did you watch Man City vs West Ham? Since De Gea arrived in England, he has never made such error. Most of the errors made by Hart in this season are school boys errors that De Gea have never made. You need to concede to superior argument when you see one. No matter how you look at it he is the best goalie this season. That was our (Coogar and i0I) argument and we supported it with facts while you depended so much on some articles written by Alan Hansen & co.
You said defenders over laboured to protect him. I totally disagree because he was so much alive to his duties as a good goalie even when we didn't have a stable defence line because of injuries. If not for his sharp reflexes we wouldn't have won this title the way we have won it. Defenders are supposed to give protection to their goalie as their primary duty. But if you don't have good/stable defence line, then you don't have to blame goalie for conceding goals cos there is a limit to what he can do.

dademola: baba, 4gt articles here. wen ddg was parrying shots to d paths of unrushing strikers for a couple of weeks nko??isnt it an open secret dt DDG isnt too comfortable with arial balls into d box?? Dnt get i twisted oo, i cldnt be more impressed with d prgress d boi has made over d past 10mnths, bt if der r areas of his game dt nid improvement, dey shud be pointed out, and even fergie attested to dis fact in a nmbr of interviews.i think man utd fans shud see his inclusion into d team- of- d- yr list more as a recognition of hw well he has improved,and not as if we nw hav an accomplished gianluigi buffon in our ranks!! DDG....great shotstopperABSOLUTELY!!! great goalkeeper??NOT YET!!!!

elampiro:

The West Ham goal was a close range shot from Carroll, that can beat anyone. Hart may have made a few errors, I guess not more than three. What I look at is goalkeepers overall ability to read the game. His movement off his line to pick corner kicks and crosses before they get to players, his positioning , the way the defenders relax around him, I.e the overall team reliance and dependence on he goalkeeper. For these, Cech and Hart are far ahead of De Gea.

You guys keep mentioning articles. I only used those articles to corroborate my opinion about the goalkeeper. At least I am not the only one who has noticed the lapses. What I saw most times were defenders plus forwards working very hard to ensure no shot gets to the goal. I had a feeling these affected our attack in some instances because balls cleared into play immediately fell to the opponents as United players were mostly in the box. I didn't get to see any other keeper being shielded or protected by two defenders.

Even Gary Nevile said, the defenders would be nervous of what is behind them. I perfectly understood him as he spoke my mind, my worry.

You made mentioned that our defense was weak. Hmmm, I would have agreed, but considering Ferdinand who was voted best central back was in the defence, I wouldn't agree anymore. Ferdinand played more than any other central defender, and he is a master organizer. He paired Evans more than anyone else, Evans is no longer a baby defender in Europe. In my opinion, I think United had a better organized defence than Chelsea.

elampiro:
The West Ham goal was a close range shot from Carroll, that can beat anyone. Hart may have made a few errors, I guess not more than three. What I look at is goalkeepers overall ability to read the game. His movement off his line to pick corner kicks and crosses before they get to players, his positioning , the way the defenders relax around him, I.e the overall team reliance and dependence on he goalkeeper. For these, Cech and Hart are far ahead of De Gea.

You guys keep mentioning articles. I only used those articles to corroborate my opinion about the goalkeeper. At least I am not the only one who has noticed the lapses. What I saw most times were defenders plus forwards working very hard to ensure no shot gets to the goal. I had a feeling these affected our attack in some instances because balls cleared into play immediately fell to the opponents as United players were mostly in the box. I didn't get to see any other keeper being shielded or protected by two defenders.

Even Gary Nevile said, the defenders would be nervous of what is behind them. I perfectly understood him as he spoke my mind, my worry.

You made mentioned that our defense was weak. Hmmm, I would have agreed, but considering Ferdinand who was voted best central back was in the defence, I wouldn't agree anymore. Ferdinand played more than any other central defender, and he is a master organizer. He paired Evans more than anyone else, Evans is no longer a baby defender in Europe. In my opinion, I think United had a better organized defence than Chelsea.

1025: wow, what a good news for the red devils and their fans. howard webb has been appointed for the game vs chelsea on sunday. up man uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. your ref is back.
winning a game especially vs chelsea is a big issue without howard webb and mark clattenberg.
must these two special refs be involved whenever a big team is involved?

coogar:

close range shot and the ball went between hart's legs? are you shïtting me? how much more of hart's änus would you lick just to save your face? over here, we put our hands up when we make a bad call. this is why we all paid tributes to ruudie with the lewandowski angle - he was the only one that called it some 14 months ago.



isn't that the job of the midfield? united conceded the most shots in the top 6, is that de gea's fault? you are just talking rubbish whilst trying to save face. other teams use natural defensive midfielders(destroyers), united have carrick(a deep-lying playmaker) to dictate the play and cut out opponents through interceptions and we often partnered carrick with misfits like giggs and jones.



and fergie called gary neville an idïot when he made that statement. in the same match, schmeichel said without de gea, the score would have been 4-1 to spurs. he made 3 world class saves to keep the scoreline respectable!



united had a better organised defence than chelsea? you must have watched your football upside down. compute the number of shots conceded by both teams and get back to me. chelsea protected their goalkeeper more than united did. shots conceded is the determinant.

Fabville:

You are only looking for a way to excuse Hart from that school boy error. De Gea have made a lot of point-blank saves this season irrespective of whether it is from close range or not. If he reads the game so well as you have claimed, why didn't he position himself well to prevent the ball entering his 'Toros'? The errors Hart made this season is more than three.

I don't believe in whatever anybody says, i believe in statistics and statistics are facts.

I didn't say our defense was weak. I only said that at the beginning of the season, our defense line was not stable because of injuries. A defense that had Carrick as a central defender at some point. A defense that kept changing week in week out will always open the goalie to so many goals because there will be no understanding. What makes a good defense is good defenders and stability. I am not doubting the ability of Rio. He started 25 games, Jonny Evans 19 games while Vidic played 16 games. He is the most consistent and regular out of the four central defenders we have. These are the kind of things that will make a goalkeeper concede goals anyhow.

"most times were defenders plus forwards working very hard to ensure no shot gets to the goal. I had a feeling these affected our attack in some instances because balls cleared into play immediately fell to the opponents as United players were mostly in the box"
I do not believe this because Man Utd scored the most goals from open play in EPL this season. They scored 50 goals from open play and if they are "too shielding their goalie" then they wouldn't have been able to score that amount of goals from open play.

elampiro:

I knew you were going to write again because you like argument too much. And your style of argument needs plenty of time devotion. Obviously no one can keep pace with that except there has to be another Coogar. I also think you can be more polite in your writing.

On the topic, let everyone keep his/her opinion as we can never reach a compromise on this. It only tells why coaches adopt different pattern, and sometimes different players in the same team. If Mourinho were to come to United today, some of our supposed best players might not find it easy again. Same if another coach had to come, some other players may not find favour with his pattern.

Here we don't think anything good in Jones playing midfield, some other forum think if not for him we wouldn't survive the big matches. In some cases, I agreed. Like the Everton game, he was marvelous. But Carrick and Cleverly paired in most matches more than any.

Carrick is said to be the best defensive midfielder while Ferdinand the best defender. To me this means we had the best defence protecting the goalkeeper. We are now looking at PFA rating. When it come to shot at goal, a lot of opponents were only trying their luck in De Gea cause they knew he is still learning, that is the reason there were so many shots at goal. Most of them were from far withou much threat. No one would unnecessarily try Hart or Cech that way.

I don't intend to argue this too much because PFA have spoken. So we take it that the players selected are the best this season. If I had to continue my argument it won't end, because I will also want to compare Carrick and Toure. As for Ferdinand, I am not a fan of his deep defensive style and sluggish play, though I still hold him to a high esteem.

Lest I forget, whenever United conceded a penalty, what do you usually see around De Gea? How many EPL does that happen to? You see two or three players (Carrick, Welbeck and Rooney) always shielding him. And if a header eventually comes through it has to be Rafael, RVP or Evra clearing from goal line while De Gea turns a spectator. Anyone watching our matches regularly should know what I am talking about.

elampiro:
I knew you were going to write again because you like argument too much. And your style of argument needs plenty of time devotion. Obviously no one can keep pace with that except there has to be another Coogar. I also think you can be more polite in your writing.

On the topic, let everyone keep his/her opinion as we can never reach a compromise on this. It only tells why coaches adopt different pattern, and sometimes different players in the same team. If Mourinho were to come to United today, some of our supposed best players might not find it easy again. Same if another coach had to come, some other players may not find favour with his pattern.

Here we don't think anything good in Jones playing midfield, some other forum think if not for him we wouldn't survive the big matches. In some cases, I agreed. Like the Everton game, he was marvelous. But Carrick and Cleverly paired in most matches more than any.

Carrick is said to be the best defensive midfielder while Ferdinand the best defender. To me this means we had the best defence protecting the goalkeeper. We are now looking at PFA rating. When it come to shot at goal, a lot of opponents were only trying their luck in De Gea cause they knew he is still learning, that is the reason there were so many shots at goal. Most of them were from far withou much threat. No one would unnecessarily try Hart or Cech that way.

I don't intend to argue this too much because PFA have spoken. So we take it that the players selected are the best this season. If I had to continue my argument it won't end, because I will also want to compare Carrick and Toure. As for Ferdinand, I am not a fan of his deep defensive style and sluggish play, though I still hold him to a high esteem.

Lest I forget, whenever United conceded a penalty, what do you usually see around De Gea? How many EPL does that happen to? You see two or three players (Carrick, Welbeck and Rooney) always shielding him. And if a header eventually comes through it has to be Rafael, RVP or Evra clearing from goal line while De Gea turns a spectator. Anyone watching our matches regularly should know what I am talking about.