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livingchrist:
I m not against speaking against sin, in fact without preaching against sin people cannot be saved.
But the reason of preaching against sin should be to lead people to christ.
I m not against works, because faith and works are related according to the books of James.

zimmaking:
Biden will not last in that position untill the man of sin will be revealed.Wars and rumors of wars everywhere,even in our obodo nigeria, pestilence and sin is abounding i.e killings, homosexual,ungodliness.When I read d book of Daniel and revelation I Knew immediately we are in last days and I've been so concious ever since.Are you aware Trump is getting ready for 2024 election?Is it coincidence in d book of Daniel 11 vs 20 "Then shall stand up in his place a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom" and after few days he will be destroyed, neither in anger,nor in battle.Kindly check Google and see that Joe Biden just raised the tax like no other president in U.S ever.The Antichrist will be given great mouth i.e boastful.Who is as boastful as Trump?I may be wrong but one thing is certain,once he gets re-elected everybody should sit up or when d temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem.I will rather prepare now because we don't know when death or rapture will come.This is not the end but The beginning of the end.Na season film nobody go fit watch am finish.......Let's just be prepared.Thanks.

zimmaking:
This is politics and religion combined.Im not a democrat loving/Republican.I sit on the fence and most times i dont read news about how he is failing in the lower courts.I know 100% he will win.The book of Daniel is happening before our eyes.I dont want to be selfish with this knowledge,this is why im reveling things here so people can know what will happen.Many christians and Democrats will attack me,but the fact/revelation is here.
1. He will never concede.

2. Joe Biden will steal the election but eventually will be removed. Let me digress a bit from Politics(Im still here though) to the book of Daniel 11 vs 20. "Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed,neither in anger, nor in battle." This is what is happening right now in the U.S, joe biden is already seen as the winner/president elect,and is already standing in the place/estate of Donald Trump.We all know Joe biden is the "Raiser of Taxes" and that was why 50cent initially rejected his presidency.He will be removed/rejected without anger,battle i.e without violence as rightly prophesied by Daniel.It simply means he will be destroyed without violence.
3.Trump will be president again even if it was stolen and the whole world will wondered and marveled greatly. Revelation 13 vs 3 "And i saw one heads as it were wounded to death;and his deadly wound was healed:and all the world wondered after the beast" .The "HEAD" means rulership was wounded,but will survive the assault on his Presidency and the world will MARVELED.
4.Trump will likely be the Anti-Christ .Millions of Christians and jews will likely be offended here.But we all know the ANTI-CHRIST will deceive the righteous.Christians and evangelical are into this trap now,but they don't know yet.They taught the Democrats/Gay loving party people like obama will likely be the Antichrist.Hell no!That is straight forward thing,Anti-christ will be so COY. Daniel 11 vs 17a "HE SHALL ALSO SET HIS FACE TO ENTER WITH THE STRENGTH OF HIS WHOLE KINGDOM,AND THE UPRIGHT ONES WITH HIM." The upright ones means the Evangelicals,Christians and the JEWS.He is the one with the most support from christians and jews from the foundation of the world.The jews already see him as the messiah which they never did for Jesus.Try to google and find more on this yourself.
5.He signed a peace treaty already with some some Arab countries,the rest will follow the same once he gets re-elected.He will promise peace but he will disappoint Isreal and Christians.Daniel 11 vs 23 "And after league made with him he shall come deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people"

6. If you think this is gabage,i pity you.Have you ever wondered since the time of Jesus Christ over 2020 years ago,in the time of Romans that Jerusalem was governed by the Romans and it has never been the Capital of Isreal for thousands of years.The GUY who did that cannot just loose an election like that.What kings,empires were unable to do for over 2 millenums ,Donald Trump did it and you think he did not carry one special destiny?
7. One popular christian guy on this forum said the Anti-christ will be from Europe and he suspect Macron.The Anti-christ will definately be from europe but i guess he doesnt know that Donald Trump father was an European.He came from europe.

LisaAnneMia:
Hi! I understand you feel grace is against preaching about right doing or about holiness. It's actually the opposite. Men can preach the commandments and laws and people will not change from the inside out. Sin is bad we all know that. Grace on the other hand, transforms believers from the inside out. Grace Himself teaches believers on what to do. Grace is Jesus. He alone can transform people from the inside out.

If you preach to gays that they're sinning and they'll go to hell, few may stop due to this, but that urge will still be there. They aren't transformed from the inside out. What's the best way then? Tell them the love Jesus has for them and how he's forgiven them of all their sins and want them to stay saved. Let them have a relationship with Him and He'll be the one to transform them from the inside out, where those urges will disappear.

Grace will enable believers to produce the fruits of the Spirit and they'll end up obeying the commandments effortlessly...Grace has been highly misconstrued. But it's okay if you still feel otherwise. Just wanted to enlighten you more.

petra1:
Righteousness and sinlessness are not thesame. Righteousness is a gift received through new birth. It is the new nature christ gave to us.

Romans 5:17
. . . they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousnes shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ

Question is if the gift of righteousness is less than what Christ had or did christ give the church lesser Righteousness

petra1:
What of the one that insult people on nairaland. Is he a Christian also

BassReeves:
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FarmTech is digging up old threads, to instead of from countless many other things to choose from, decidedly zeroed on, this strong desire wanting to know specifically about thoughts on gay marriage?
I just knew you are bothered with imaginable specks in others' eyes, than the glaring plank of wood in your eye.

We can do trade by barter. You go first, satisfactorily answer all the questions asked on the thread you dug up and dragged in here. Give your responses in the same order and/or sequence the questions were asked, then I'll oblige and reciprocate you

livingchrist:
Bro, there is only one way to be saved and that is Jesus.
Everything in the bible points to Jesus, the essence of repentance is so that people can have faith in Jesus

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus is the only way not goodworks, penance or any religious activity or morality.

Only faith in Jesus can sanctify a man.

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

You see that it is the faith in Christ that sanctifies a man not to merely believe there is God.


The faith of demons is to believe that there is God, that is not a saving faith.
Muslims, traditionalists, witches, occultist or other religion believe that there is God but that is not a saving faith.

livingchrist:
Ok, here is the link where jesusjnr (former monika) said Allah is his God.

https://www.nairaland.com/5442276/nairalanders-please-need-opinion#82670903

jesusjnr2020:
I'm sorry bro but I have to disagree with you on the bolded.

Let me give you an instance from the Bible to prove your assertion is wrong.

Matthew 16:15-17 (KJV)

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:21-23 (KJV)

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

So as you can see your idea that none of the apostles ever contradicted Christ has been proven wrong by this instance of Peter.

First, Peter spoke and Jesus said it wasn't flesh and blood but the Father in heaven that revealed it to him.

Secondly Peter spoke and Jesus implied that what He said was of men not of God, which meant that Peter the apostle contradicted Christ!

So let's leave sentiments out of the things of God otherwise it would lead to some repercussions. The apostles were not angels but also humans who could make mistakes, so not everything they said or did was inspired of God and here's your proof.

That's the difference between the apostles and Jesus. Every thing Jesus said was inspired of the Spirit of God!

Thanks and God bless.

livingchrist:
Good works cannot save before or after salvation, good works after salvation is not done to attain righteousness, the preaching against sin has just one purpose which is to lead people to Jesus, it is not to make them do good or adjust their character or dressing so that they will make heaven,that is an heresy.

BassReeves:
Re-read my post above to see that your comment here, is not just only corroborating it but is also re-echoing it

This is a given, beloved. It's a sure thing that, after accepting Christ, good works must follow.

Of course you mention the sins you see others commiting, and pointing at the speck in their eyes, after you have removed the plank of wood in your eyes

It is weak males, who will crumble at the sight of mothers and ladies dressing like prostitutes to church. Have you a problem(s) with prostitutes? Do you look at prostitutes in disdain and with your nose in the air? Have you researched the interesting genealogy of Jesus?

BassReeves:
I am so happy that you figured this truth, out all by yourself

You are absolutely right, because it is a fact that, in terms of human being procreation, Adam and Eve are the mould, the prototype through whom all human being emerge. When it comes to the matter of human procreation or multiplication, the increase or exponential growth and even, to have multiples evolve, this is the means, for all these to happen and be possible.

The address, God gave, in Genesis 2:18-24 is about Adam and not, as you want to claim, is it about all human beings. Every single verse in Genesis 2:18-24 is about A&E directly.

In Genesis 2:18, it is Adam, who because of loneliness, was given a companion. In Genesis 2:19-20, it is Adam, who gave names to animal groups. In Genesis 2:21, it is Adam, who was put to sleep and under anaesthetic. In Genesis 2:22, it is from Adam, that the woman was made from. In Genesis 2:23, it is Adam, making a validation speech. Now lastly, Genesis 2:24, is not about A&E, but is about the future and one that, is not restricted to the straight up and customary binary of male and female necessarily only.

Relationship of the sort, is common among lesbians, homosexuals and bisexuals too, and is natural and normal to them, just as heterosexuality is normal and natural to you.

John 4:1-24
'1When Jesus realized that the Pharisees were aware Hea was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John
2(although it was not Jesus who baptized, but His disciples),
3He left Judea and returned to Galilee.
4Now He had to pass through Samaria.
5So He came to a town of Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground that Jacob had given to his son Joseph.
6Since Jacob’s well was there, Jesus, weary from His journey, sat down by the well. It was about the sixth hour.
7When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Give Me a drink.”
8(His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
9“You are a Jew,” said the woman. “How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)c
10Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God and who is asking you for a drink, you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.”
11“Sir,” the woman replied, “You have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where then will You get this living water?
12Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us this well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock?”
13Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again.
14But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.”
15The woman said to Him, “Sir, give me this water so that I will not get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
16Jesus told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”
17“I have no husband,” the woman replied.
Jesus said to her, “You are correct to say that you have no husband.
18In fact, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. You have spoken truthfully.”
19“Sir,” the woman said, “I see that You are a prophet.
20Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews say that the place where one must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21“Believe Me, woman,” Jesus replied, “a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him.
24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

Bronze, is a marriage of tin and copper. Living together and civil partnership, are all shades of marriage. Should I say more?

If that referenced John 4:1-24, is read in-depth and with full understanding, it becomes a no brainer to know that, it takes more than sex, to build a great marriage, and ironically nearly impossible to build a great marriage without sex and so, not only did the Designer of human anatomy, God, configured a woman to complement and complete a man, but that homosexuals too, were divinely given thought of, and this evident in the anatomical and physiological design of human beings, as we see it.

Without you giving weak reasons, why, according to you, is same sex conjugal relationship, not normal? You can speak for yourself, that it isn't normal for you to find yourself attracted to your own sex

What human destructive adventure are two strictly monogamous same sex couple participating or taken part in?

You can tell me, after you've quoted out here what they both say

livingchrist:
It is true, when I get the link to the post you will see it.

livingchrist:
jesusjnr the worker of iniquity,

Jesusjnr in his former monika once called Allah a true God, he later lied that he didnt hear the holy spirit more clearly after he was called out.

Jesusjnr like prophet Mohammed is an antichrist sent to lead unsuspecting victims to hell.

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jesusjnr1:
Sorry to interrupt bro, but even the dying criminal did righteous works on the cross. He stood up for the Truth and defended Jesus against the other unrepentant criminal! That's a work of righteousness.

Thanks and God bless.

chatinent:
Pharisee, when will you stop showing off as Jesus junior?

Jesus never recognised your public display of righteousness, and labelling others as sinners.


Even when tempted, as you are doing to me now, he resounded the words “get behind me” as I am to you.

BassReeves:
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Its another one. Preach because He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus. I am sure you know about that nugget just typed past there

BassReeves:
Its an easily understood enough question, that could be answered without any difficulty of thinking about it and even without bringing 'Jesus was sinless' into the question's frame.

FarmTech , just answer the question straight up. Does a believer have the same righteousness of God in Christ as Jesus or not?

MaxInDHouse:
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God's word never promised the wicked Paradise {Psalms 37:9-10} but here Jesus is granting a confirmed criminal a direct Visa without any righteous deed.

Definitely through FAITH many sinners will also inherit Jesus' righteousness! John 3:16

BassReeves:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXQ5RNvX0AILrS8.jpg

Its not about me nor about me being right, but is about not being afraid to stand up to someone that is not calling a spade, a spade but is calling the spade, a fork.

It's like not telling the proverbial strutting and smug Emperor, that he has no clothes on

petra1:
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Back to my question . Does a Christian have same righteousness as Jesus?

BassReeves:
FarmTech, objectively and seriously, look at this 'Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness'? thread title/heading and tell if or not, there's anything wrong in it

africandollar:
Kindly show me in the Bible where David prayed a prayer that was worse than that which the Pharisee prayed I pray thee, previously you wrote that David prayed against his enemies so how does the publican equate to his enemy? If the type of prayers had no relevance then Jesus would not have dedicated verses of the Scripture to it. I don't understand why you would not encourage someone to ask for forgiveness, if that is the level their faith is then I would encourage them to do so until they come to a better understanding of their righteousness in Christ, someone who asks for forgiveness at that moment has had his/her conscience pricked and that is a good sign that they are on the right path. Or would you rather have them continue sinning without any remorse?

Yes the Bible talks about predestination but that is also subject to the choice the predestined makes. Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin? If yes then does that means they had no choice in the matter? If I have been predestined to make heaven why don't I go on and live my life with the motive of 'Que sera,sera' while I drink and fornicate and commit all sorts of sins knowing that I would still be saved and make heaven likely at the point of death? You see where this fable becomes faulty? If God already 'knows' where I would end up does it now mean I am not the one making my choice seeing it has already been made by a previous version of me? If He already 'knows' where I would end up why does he now ask me to make a choice? Deut 30:19

Yes I agree with you that some unbelievers live more morally upright lives but you would also agree that that is the exception and not the norm right? You were sent to preach the gospel of Christ and not to be another Mahatma Ghandi. Preaching about Christ is the core message of the gospel and accepting him would move unbelievers to the path of good works- which in summary also is believing in Christ. Naturally you would expect an apple tree to produce apples but it's going to be a tall order if you expect a palm tree to produce apples. Why? Because it is not in it's nature to do that! Change the nature first and the fruits should follow. Unfortunately the message of Christ has been dumbed down to good works and that is why the Church is full of hypocrisy today.

The verse I quoted answers your question perfectly. 1 Cor 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. You see there lies the problem, after all the preaching and admonishing on good works you find out that even those deacons and choir members commit 'worse' sins than the lay members or even unbelievers like you admitted. If they could be changed by the teachings of doing good they would have since been changed but what is the purpose of cutting off the branches (works of the flesh) of a tree when the roots (sinful nature) are still firmly planted to the ground. Paul said he would not preach any other thing to this church than for them to focus on Christ and him crucified because this is where our salvation including victory over sin comes from. You can keep looking to yourself all you want but you would still continue to be defeated by sin until you choose to focus on Jesus and his finished work on the cross.

africandollar:
Kindly show me in the Bible where David prayed a prayer that was worse than that which the Pharisee prayed I pray thee, previously you wrote that David prayed against his enemies so how does the publican equate to his enemy? If the type of prayers had no relevance then Jesus would not have dedicated verses of the Scripture to it. I don't understand why you would not encourage someone to ask for forgiveness, if that is the level their faith is then I would encourage them to do so until they come to a better understanding of their righteousness in Christ, someone who asks for forgiveness at that moment has had his/her conscience pricked and that is a good sign that they are on the right path. Or would you rather have them continue sinning without any remorse?



Yes the Bible talks about predestination but that is also subject to the choice the predestined makes. Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin? If yes then does that means they had no choice in the matter? If I have been predestined to make heaven why don't I go on and live my life with the motive of 'Que sera,sera' while I drink and fornicate and commit all sorts of sins knowing that I would still be saved and make heaven likely at the point of death? You see where this fable becomes faulty? If God already 'knows' where I would end up does it now mean I am not the one making my choice seeing it has already been made by a previous version of me? If He already 'knows' where I would end up why does he now ask me to make a choice? Deut 30:19





Yes I agree with you that some unbelievers live more morally upright lives but you would also agree that that is the exception and not the norm right? You were sent to preach the gospel of Christ and not to be another Mahatma Ghandi. Preaching about Christ is the core message of the gospel and accepting him would move unbelievers to the path of good works- which in summary also is believing in Christ. Naturally you would expect an apple tree to produce apples but it's going to be a tall order if you expect a palm tree to produce apples. Why? Because it is not in it's nature to do that! Change the nature first and the fruits should follow. Unfortunately the message of Christ has been dumbed down to good works and that is why the Church is full of hypocrisy today.

The verse I quoted answers your question perfectly. 1 Cor 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. You see there lies the problem, after all the preaching and admonishing on good works you find out that even those deacons and choir members commit 'worse' sins than the lay members or even unbelievers like you admitted. If they could be changed by the teachings of doing good they would have since been changed but what is the purpose of cutting off the branches (works of the flesh) of a tree when the roots (sinful nature) are still firmly planted to the ground. Paul said he would not preach any other thing to this church than for them to focus on Christ and him crucified because this is where our salvation including victory over sin comes from. You can keep looking to yourself all you want but you would still continue to be defeated by sin until you choose to focus on Jesus and his finished work on the cross.

betabread:
what is the best way of applying manure I bought 200 poultry feed bags of manure preseason and it can't cover more than 3 plots for a 50 plot farm land

What strategies can one use to limit labor cost as I have spent more transporting it than paying for the manure itself

Mind u the poultry is about 10 football pitch away from my farm

petra1:
Stop divergence. Is Jesus righteousness different from a Christian righteousness?

If the answer is NO. Then your teaching is faulty. (That's being polite )

jesusjnr2020:
Does it make sense that you had to lie that Jesus had a seed to justify your idea even though you disagreed with mine?

That blunder alone suggests that you have no idea what you're talking about.

No man inherited Jesus righteousness because Jesus had no seed. No man can inherit it but man can partake of its benefits. If you want to partake of the benefit of His righteousness, you must keep His Word otherwise you are on your own.


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And please don't quote what Paul or someone else said that contradicts this for me, because this is in line with what Jesus says, and Jesus is the Master so His Word supersedes that of any other.
^^^^^^^^^

You must be happy how that lie is justifying many workers of iniquity in the church and making sin to abound, otherwise you wouldn't continue to peddle it.

Olusanya333:
Quote a place I contradict Jesus Christ (from his own words please; not one Apostle paul) and stop wasting my precious time.

Paul is a man like you and I and his words like you and I are not God's words but man's word as you and I.

The words of God are but the Jewish writings (The Law , Prophets and Psalms) and the speech of Jesus and not the apostles, pastors or you or me.



And o, thanks for the mention.

VickyRotex:
Nice write up.

But that No. 2. In my own opinion, I believe you dont have to "experiment" or present an opportunity to be tempted, before fighting off sexual lust. Not every one can withstand the temptation, especially it's first.

ichuka:
lol
God say Job was right after he repented in dust and ashes.
continue in your twisting.
am done here.

ichuka:
Jesus told the Pharisees(the religious pple calming Holiness and righteousness then)
in Matt:22:29 ....Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
dude Jesus Christ is the summation of the whole bible..meaning its the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is also the Gospel of Grace.
any other form of preaching out side His Gospel has nothing to do with him.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
we should be very careful of twisting.