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chatinent:
Pharisee, when will you stop showing off as Jesus junior?

Jesus never recognised your public display of righteousness, and labelling others as sinners.


Even when tempted, as you are doing to me now, he resounded the words “get behind me” as I am to you.

BassReeves:
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Its another one. Preach because He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus. I am sure you know about that nugget just typed past there

BassReeves:
Its an easily understood enough question, that could be answered without any difficulty of thinking about it and even without bringing 'Jesus was sinless' into the question's frame.

FarmTech , just answer the question straight up. Does a believer have the same righteousness of God in Christ as Jesus or not?

MaxInDHouse:
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God's word never promised the wicked Paradise {Psalms 37:9-10} but here Jesus is granting a confirmed criminal a direct Visa without any righteous deed.

Definitely through FAITH many sinners will also inherit Jesus' righteousness! John 3:16

BassReeves:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXQ5RNvX0AILrS8.jpg

Its not about me nor about me being right, but is about not being afraid to stand up to someone that is not calling a spade, a spade but is calling the spade, a fork.

It's like not telling the proverbial strutting and smug Emperor, that he has no clothes on

petra1:
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Back to my question . Does a Christian have same righteousness as Jesus?

BassReeves:
FarmTech, objectively and seriously, look at this 'Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness'? thread title/heading and tell if or not, there's anything wrong in it

africandollar:
Kindly show me in the Bible where David prayed a prayer that was worse than that which the Pharisee prayed I pray thee, previously you wrote that David prayed against his enemies so how does the publican equate to his enemy? If the type of prayers had no relevance then Jesus would not have dedicated verses of the Scripture to it. I don't understand why you would not encourage someone to ask for forgiveness, if that is the level their faith is then I would encourage them to do so until they come to a better understanding of their righteousness in Christ, someone who asks for forgiveness at that moment has had his/her conscience pricked and that is a good sign that they are on the right path. Or would you rather have them continue sinning without any remorse?

Yes the Bible talks about predestination but that is also subject to the choice the predestined makes. Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin? If yes then does that means they had no choice in the matter? If I have been predestined to make heaven why don't I go on and live my life with the motive of 'Que sera,sera' while I drink and fornicate and commit all sorts of sins knowing that I would still be saved and make heaven likely at the point of death? You see where this fable becomes faulty? If God already 'knows' where I would end up does it now mean I am not the one making my choice seeing it has already been made by a previous version of me? If He already 'knows' where I would end up why does he now ask me to make a choice? Deut 30:19

Yes I agree with you that some unbelievers live more morally upright lives but you would also agree that that is the exception and not the norm right? You were sent to preach the gospel of Christ and not to be another Mahatma Ghandi. Preaching about Christ is the core message of the gospel and accepting him would move unbelievers to the path of good works- which in summary also is believing in Christ. Naturally you would expect an apple tree to produce apples but it's going to be a tall order if you expect a palm tree to produce apples. Why? Because it is not in it's nature to do that! Change the nature first and the fruits should follow. Unfortunately the message of Christ has been dumbed down to good works and that is why the Church is full of hypocrisy today.

The verse I quoted answers your question perfectly. 1 Cor 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. You see there lies the problem, after all the preaching and admonishing on good works you find out that even those deacons and choir members commit 'worse' sins than the lay members or even unbelievers like you admitted. If they could be changed by the teachings of doing good they would have since been changed but what is the purpose of cutting off the branches (works of the flesh) of a tree when the roots (sinful nature) are still firmly planted to the ground. Paul said he would not preach any other thing to this church than for them to focus on Christ and him crucified because this is where our salvation including victory over sin comes from. You can keep looking to yourself all you want but you would still continue to be defeated by sin until you choose to focus on Jesus and his finished work on the cross.

africandollar:
Kindly show me in the Bible where David prayed a prayer that was worse than that which the Pharisee prayed I pray thee, previously you wrote that David prayed against his enemies so how does the publican equate to his enemy? If the type of prayers had no relevance then Jesus would not have dedicated verses of the Scripture to it. I don't understand why you would not encourage someone to ask for forgiveness, if that is the level their faith is then I would encourage them to do so until they come to a better understanding of their righteousness in Christ, someone who asks for forgiveness at that moment has had his/her conscience pricked and that is a good sign that they are on the right path. Or would you rather have them continue sinning without any remorse?



Yes the Bible talks about predestination but that is also subject to the choice the predestined makes. Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin? If yes then does that means they had no choice in the matter? If I have been predestined to make heaven why don't I go on and live my life with the motive of 'Que sera,sera' while I drink and fornicate and commit all sorts of sins knowing that I would still be saved and make heaven likely at the point of death? You see where this fable becomes faulty? If God already 'knows' where I would end up does it now mean I am not the one making my choice seeing it has already been made by a previous version of me? If He already 'knows' where I would end up why does he now ask me to make a choice? Deut 30:19





Yes I agree with you that some unbelievers live more morally upright lives but you would also agree that that is the exception and not the norm right? You were sent to preach the gospel of Christ and not to be another Mahatma Ghandi. Preaching about Christ is the core message of the gospel and accepting him would move unbelievers to the path of good works- which in summary also is believing in Christ. Naturally you would expect an apple tree to produce apples but it's going to be a tall order if you expect a palm tree to produce apples. Why? Because it is not in it's nature to do that! Change the nature first and the fruits should follow. Unfortunately the message of Christ has been dumbed down to good works and that is why the Church is full of hypocrisy today.

The verse I quoted answers your question perfectly. 1 Cor 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. You see there lies the problem, after all the preaching and admonishing on good works you find out that even those deacons and choir members commit 'worse' sins than the lay members or even unbelievers like you admitted. If they could be changed by the teachings of doing good they would have since been changed but what is the purpose of cutting off the branches (works of the flesh) of a tree when the roots (sinful nature) are still firmly planted to the ground. Paul said he would not preach any other thing to this church than for them to focus on Christ and him crucified because this is where our salvation including victory over sin comes from. You can keep looking to yourself all you want but you would still continue to be defeated by sin until you choose to focus on Jesus and his finished work on the cross.

betabread:
what is the best way of applying manure I bought 200 poultry feed bags of manure preseason and it can't cover more than 3 plots for a 50 plot farm land

What strategies can one use to limit labor cost as I have spent more transporting it than paying for the manure itself

Mind u the poultry is about 10 football pitch away from my farm

petra1:
Stop divergence. Is Jesus righteousness different from a Christian righteousness?

If the answer is NO. Then your teaching is faulty. (That's being polite )

jesusjnr2020:
Does it make sense that you had to lie that Jesus had a seed to justify your idea even though you disagreed with mine?

That blunder alone suggests that you have no idea what you're talking about.

No man inherited Jesus righteousness because Jesus had no seed. No man can inherit it but man can partake of its benefits. If you want to partake of the benefit of His righteousness, you must keep His Word otherwise you are on your own.


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And please don't quote what Paul or someone else said that contradicts this for me, because this is in line with what Jesus says, and Jesus is the Master so His Word supersedes that of any other.
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You must be happy how that lie is justifying many workers of iniquity in the church and making sin to abound, otherwise you wouldn't continue to peddle it.

Olusanya333:
Quote a place I contradict Jesus Christ (from his own words please; not one Apostle paul) and stop wasting my precious time.

Paul is a man like you and I and his words like you and I are not God's words but man's word as you and I.

The words of God are but the Jewish writings (The Law , Prophets and Psalms) and the speech of Jesus and not the apostles, pastors or you or me.



And o, thanks for the mention.

VickyRotex:
Nice write up.

But that No. 2. In my own opinion, I believe you dont have to "experiment" or present an opportunity to be tempted, before fighting off sexual lust. Not every one can withstand the temptation, especially it's first.

ichuka:
lol
God say Job was right after he repented in dust and ashes.
continue in your twisting.
am done here.

ichuka:
Jesus told the Pharisees(the religious pple calming Holiness and righteousness then)
in Matt:22:29 ....Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
dude Jesus Christ is the summation of the whole bible..meaning its the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is also the Gospel of Grace.
any other form of preaching out side His Gospel has nothing to do with him.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
we should be very careful of twisting.

Monogamy:
Then that's intolerance.. On which Chapter of the bible did you learn that?

post=101040300:
GOD BLESS ALL MUSLIMS ALL OVER NIGERIA and the world at large.

May God answer all your prayers in this HOLY MONTH of Ramadan.

BRATISLAVA:
That's what only the message of grace causes. When some Christians only read one side of their Bibles, because they don't like what the rest of it contains.

africandollar:
10“Two men went up to the temple to pray. One was a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed,a ‘God, I thank You that I am not like the other men—swindlers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and pay tithes of all that I acquire.’

13But the tax collector stood at a distance, unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’ 14I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Jesus would not have accepted his prayers based on the emboldened except you want to correct Jesus?

1st highlight: Pray tell me where you saw that written in the Scriptures? That some people have already been mapped out not to be saved?! Did Jesus then die for the sins of some people in the world and not all people. John 3:16 says 'whosoever' so where are you getting this your theory from? Yes not everyone would be saved but I find it heartless to say that some specific people have already been predestined for destruction like if they have no choice in the matter! How would you feel if I told you that your own child is among those predestined not to be saved and to go to hell?! I bet you wouldn't like that and as a typical Nigerian Christian you would be rejecting it in Jesus name right? Please let's be careful about spreading unfounded ideas that are fables rather than Scripture.

2nd highlight: So if they would not accept Jesus what makes you think that they would then choose not to commit sin? The part of the bible that mentions about us being the light of the world and salt of the earth admonishes us to let our light so shine that men may see our good works and glorify our Father in heaven, the way you salt the earth is by your own good works. Remember, this virginity you are both clamoring for is in a fallen body that would be done away with at the Resurrection, so tell me of what use your virginity would then be when you have a new glorious body? You see why this is more of majoring on the minor?

1 Cor 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

BRATISLAVA:
Thanks for your input, Brother in the Lord.

africandollar:
The fact that you gave your life to Christ means you regretted your sins and have now accepted his gift of salvation, continual regret would do nothing but heap condemnation on your soul. How would you as a human feel if someone who wronged you in the past but you've completely forgiven keeps coming back to you remorseful and asking again for forgiveness over and over? You definitely cannot take your relationship with that person to the next level. Take a cue from Paul who said in Acts 23:1 that 'I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.' this is coming from someone who was a chief persecutor of Christians!

Heb 6:1-3: Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we will do, if God permits

africandollar:
Since when Bro? Anyway thanks but, no thanks! There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit (Rom 8:1). I see the spirit in you likes to condemn people rather than admonish them thus it would be wise to really check if that spirit is from God.



For there is no respect of persons with God (Rom 2:11) how much more a man whose righteousness are like filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6)



Again, let me teach you jesusjnr2020 that as long as you are not 'born-again' ALL your righteousness (including remaining a virgin) are nothing but FILTHY RAGS before Him.

This write up does nothing else than condemn those who didn't give their lives to Christ as virgins and would keep making them think that they are not worthy of God's blessings and that my friend is a message from the pit of hell because the Devil only seeks to condemn unlike a Christlike message that admonishes and justifies. What do you then want those who got disvirgined before knowing Christ to do? go back into their mother to be born again? Nah! Why? Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Cor 5:17)...including your virginity!

I am not saying that they should continue in sin, that grace may abound? (Rom 6:1) but rather they should produce fruit, then, in keeping with repentance ( Matt 3:8 ) by building on the foundation of Christ's righteousness.

Read your Bible and quit adhering to a mental image of self-righteousness (John 5:39)

africandollar:
Well, move all you want it still won’t change the truth written in the Scriptures which is the infallible Word of God.

You keep saying I should continue in my iniquity although you know nothing about my lifestyle which makes you no different from the Pharisee who came to the temple praising his own works before God not knowing that even the contrite sinner was more justified before God than him!

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted - Luke 18:11-14

You telling a sinner to stop fornicating while making light of the salvation of his soul is like making someone study hard to achieve a first-class in a prestigious University only later for it to be found out that he forged his WAEC/NECO certificate! He would be banned immediately and it wouldn’t matter if he made a 5.0 CGPA!

Yes, righteousness is required before God but it must be based on the foundation of Christ’s righteousness. You truly do not understand this for if you did you would NEVER have written the write-up you did!

If you yourself like you said couldn’t start living a righteous life until you gave your life to Christ why do you think a sinner too would be able to withstand fornication without first receiving power over sin through the Holy Spirit?! Are you that selfish and don’t want anyone else to make heaven that you would rather preach self-righteousness to a sinner rather than the true Gospel of Christ?

africandollar:
OP, would you kindly stop all these 'balderdash'? Who told you God is after your virginity? Does your virginity guarantee your success or spirituality after giving your life to Christ? You're just like those early Jewish Christians who believed that observing the Law, including being circumcised, would make you a better Christian! My friend, God is after your soul and not your flesh! When a man is in Christ he is a new creature...even your virginity from a spiritual point of view.

In human terms which sin is greater between fornication and murder-by-proxy? Yet Saul who was a murderer-by-proxy became the greatest apostle God ever used!

Quit condemning yourself for things you did when you didn't know Christ for there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. This clearly is a stronghold of the devil on your mind, reject it and receive healing and deliverance in Jesus name. Amen.

jesusjnr2020:
https://www.nairaland.com/6512404/why-it-could-dangerous-christian

This was the same person that attacked me on a thread I made to advise people not to lose their virginity to premarital sex even though they were yet sinners, because they may regret it after they became saved.

https://www.nairaland.com/6414750/why-shouldnt-lose-virginity-premarital/3#99078524

When i say that the gospel of grace makes sin to abound, some would think i don't know what i'm talking about, but here is yet another instance that proves that, and supports my claim that most preachers of that gospel were workers of iniquity who only use it to justify their evil works.

That's why when they see the righteous, they'd start calling them all sorts of names like "self-righteous", "Pharisees", etc., because they feel threatened by their works of righteousness since they're workers of iniquity.

Let them continue deceiving themselves, using grace to justify their works of iniquity, soon and very soon, they would find out why we had to go to this length to emphasize the importance of the works of righteousness and also condemn the works of iniquity.

God bless.

BRATISLAVA:
I am learning from your response.

When I mentioned this keeping to the commandments and being "holy", a pastor attacked me that I'm being self-righteous and directed me to the book of Job.

Job was perfect in his reverence for God, to the point where he was atoning for the sins of his children in their absence. He thought he was too perfect and righteous and that was his sin, I was told.

The pastor made me understand that my acts of being perfect were filthy rags that didn't count for anything. And told me to look at the latter chapters of Job in which he realized that despite his self-righteousness he suffered more than others, and that it was still not good enough until he acknowledged that God was always going to be God.

It shocked me then. I even believed it. In retrospect, it angered me that nothing we do will ever be good enough or perfect enough for God. For some months afterwards, I did not even bother with trying to be a Christian because it didn't make sense, if God was calling me to Holiness, why couldn't I do things that He would find holy from my faith based on the Word? What was the basis of godly living, then?

I'm telling my experience because it may be what someone else has gone through and they may need some answers.

I still believe that God wants us to be perfect, no matter what. Otherwise there's no basis for living as a Christian. That is why I asked if it is sanctification or perfection.

I feel the perfection would come as a result of sanctification, to be in resonance with the Spirit of God to the point where you are counted as one with Him.

Open to further lessons on this.

God bless.

Farmerakinloye6:
Since I have being in farming line have never be happy like Today . My plan is to sell 6-6.5k but when I got to the market this morning it was 8-9k. Those that want to resell was begging me to sell 7.5k which am ready but my colleague and the agent no gree . Cum see begging for market deep inside me, I felt like BOSSSSS. THANK GOD! Harvest continue today..

Sterlingsolutns:
@ Farmtech - I like this your concept. But is it particularly effective? The space within the net appears large enough for the rodents to pinch and thereby renders the fruits a waste

What has been your experience?

I think mechanical means though more expensive is safer than the chemical means more so when the fruits are almost due for harvest

Thanks

Sterlingsolutns:
@ felixzo 1 is correct - depending on the motive, the technology and the device deployed

@Farmtech - have you ever seen a rain gun before? - inlet will be like 3 inches and outlet like half an inch to give pressure and atomize water discharge

Farmers most times also needs pressure especially large scale farmers

Thanks