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shadeyinka:
You are correct.
Bats is a kind of drum.
We also have "Ijo Bata": literally, Dance to Bata Drum/Music.

Few Yoruba people can dance to Bata Music

Oh man, now I'm even more confused (hahahahahahaha)!

Ok, so bata is a dance you do with the gangan, and it's also a drum, and it's also a dance you do with the bata drum.. is this right?

I actually have a gangan that was made for me in Nigeria, in the village of Ayete in Oyo State. It's beautiful! Made the traditional way, with deerskin leather tention strings, caffskin heads, and that long piece of string that comes down off it.... what's that called? In fact I actually want to know all of the Yoruba names of all the parts of the drum... the skin/heads, the tention strings, the string, the leather strap that goes on your shoulder.... I'm just so curious!

ItzPrinceIB:
Well, as a self-acclaimed vampire, i gotto get a unique stlye, so thats why i write that way, but since you said it's kinda hard for you to read, i'll be writing to you the normal way.

Hahahahahaha, so you're a vampire are you? LOL well, actually I've found that my phone can read your posts better than my laptop, and I really don't want to have to restrict you from writing how you do, so it's fine if you write your way! I just feel so bad now that I'm restricting you from your natural ways hahahahaha

ItzPrinceIB:
ThIs Is JuSt UnBeLieVaBlE, I'm YeT To BeLiEvE YhU AnD At ThEsAmE TiMe FeLt PiTy FoR YhU.
Yhu SaId YoU'rE BaSeD At/In AmErIcA RiGhT, WhIcH StAtE ArE YhU SpEcIfIcAlLy

I'm based in North Carolina, but that's all I'll tell ya! And please don't pity me, I'm just fine the way I am, I can do everything that a sighted person can do and perhaps even more (LOL)!

I really don't want to offend, but may I ask why you write the way you do? Sometimes it can be hard for me to read what you say since my screen reader reads your posts funny.

vaxx:
good then, i do not also subscribe to Abrahamic concept of God, but not totally. we share the same perspective when it comes to the nature of GOD(I.E)monotheism.

Do not be confused. it is interesting, you can check the video on Youtube...

nairaland made it seems like i am not out of the country, in fact i am at home... asa is cool, she is good with musical instrument like guitar. but due to my childhood upbringing, it is fela , though he is no more, i can still not do without the evergreen record. but i will put wande coal , olamide and Cynthia Morgan on my list

Fela is really cool! For me it's Asa, King Sunny Ade, Omawumi, Angelique Kidjo (she's half Yoruba), and..... hmmmm.... I'm not sure.

Why would people think you're out of the country? I thought you were in Naija hahaha

vaxx:
A kind of pantheism . cool at least you do not reject GOD. yes bata is also a drum on its own with its special dance.

Yeah, I believe in God as I said, but I don't really believe much in the Abrahamic one.

Well that's confusing... now there's a bata dance and a drum! LOL Wow...

Also you take a very short time to get back, that's just fine and I kind of like that since we can chat casually and I also like to get back to others quickly.

I know that this is off topic but who is your favorite Yoruba musician? Do you like Asa like me?

vaxx:
there is a particular dance associated with gangan . it is called bata. it take lot of energy when you are dancing. am sure you can learn that too. tell me about your believe?

Hmmmm, do you mean my religious beliefs? Well, I guess I believe that there is such thing as God, but that it's not really a person... I believe that God is more an entity, a force, something which we can't really understand or comprehend but that is everywhere and in everything, including you and I. That's what I think.

I was raised Jewish, and I still kind of practice my religion a bit, but neither me nor my father, who is also Jewish, really do anything with it anymore.
I thought bata was a kind of drum? So it's a dance too? Hmm, cool! I'll have to look it up.

vaxx:
whao. that means you are using screen reader. you have already gather the strength to move ahead . that is good of you.... am sure you can learn drumming too. have you heard about yoruba talking drum?

Yes, I am using a screen reader! Wow, that's so interesting you know that! No one knows what that is so I always have to explain it to them!

Hahahahahahahaha I just told you I play the gangan... isn't that the talking drum? I'm not amazing at it but I'm practicing and being taught by a teacher in England, and one in Atlanta wants to teach me too.

vaxx:
interesting, osun symbolized beauty and love. she is called iya olomo yoyo. mother of plenty children ...... i love music too but my voice is not good enough?

Hey, it's ok, don't be like that! I'm sure that you're able to sing good!

I also am trying to play the talking drum but I'm not great at it (LOL)! I'm a musician though, I have perfect pitch and rhythm, I'm assuming that this is partially caused by my blindness.

I was born blind at birth and my retinas detached themselves from my eyes because they grew too quickly, as a result I've never been able to see throughout my entire life... but I'm just fine with that! I adore being blind honestly, and I think it has given me a lot of advantages over my sighted peers (LOL)!

I have loved all sorts of music throughout my life. Currently I'm obviously into African/Nigerian/Yoruba music and studying it. I love playing the gangan! It's so unusual but so cool at once! I love the saworoide bells that go on the iyalu, the sound that they make by themselves and the sound they make along with the drum. It's beautiful!

Also, I adore writing, especially creative writing, and even more spicifically fantasy writing. In a story I'm working on one of the characters, who is a person in real life as well, is the daughter of the goddess Osun. I chose this trait for her because I just thought of how Osun represents love and beauty and femininity and harmony, and this person brings those kinds of things to me whenever I listen to her sing (she's Asa BTW)! You might have guessed because of my signature.....

Anyhow, I'm also incorporating that aspect of hers into the story since I think it's cool to put some more traditional cultural aspects in it since it tells of African characters, musicians, all real musicians, in my story they go to a music school.

vaxx:
nice having you here bro. we are one under the surface of the earth. yes it is my way of life. my dad a traditionalist ,my mom a Muslim) was educated in an Anglican school . this make me have adequate knowledge of the three major religion in Nigeria. ifa is growing in the usa. will you like to connect with your fellow brethren?

Yes, I totally agree that we are truly all one people! Lovely philosophy.....

My fellow brethren? What do you mean... like people like you who practice Ifa? I'm confused.....

vaxx:
ifa is much like a computerized system that gather the thought and rational decision of the Yoruba. a storage Felicity that contain every issues that deals with mankind. be it philosophy , politics and moral code. our culture is our religion. you may not be totally wrong if you call it ifa traditional religion. i prefer the coinage.

I think you're right about that.... that's something else I've heard.

I'm actually not black at all (hahahaha)! I'm white and from America, but I have a huge fascination with this kind of stuff. I'm assuming you practice this religion?

Also I don't think Ifa is the name for the Yoruba spiritual system.... Ifa is just the name for the system of divination which is just part of their spirituality/religion. In a more modern religious sense, we can term the entire thing Ifa, just like Christianity or Islam or Judaism or Hinduism..... but really spiritual systems like that don't have names as they are a part of life in general, as many say.

vaxx:
BELIEVING IN JUDGMENTAL GOD AND NON EXISTING DEVIL STEAL YOUR FUTURE.

The Yoruba afterlife consists of Reincarnation. However, what distinguishes the Yoruba reincarnation concepts from Indian versions is that Yoruba version explain that you reincarnate from your ancestors and into your descendants. The Indian version is a lie crafted by Aryans to deceive the Black Indians into believing that they can reincarnate into other castes so there's no reason to fight against the higher castes but just hope to reincarnate into it in the next life. This is all lies and propaganda.

The truth is that you can only reincarnate thru your clan or extended-family descendants. It doesn't have to be your direct great grandchild (it can be, for example, the great-grandchild of your second-cousin for example). It just has to have enough of your DNA code for you to transfer your spirit into it. In theory, you can transfer to anyone who shares your ethnic group DNA code. However, most genetic DNA theories are racist manipulation of science. DNA is not just a physical code but like a keyhole that allows you to open doors in the next reincarnation.

If you do not have the proper key (DNA), you cannot open the keyhole of someone who doesn't share your DNA sequence. This is why many Yoruba names point to the reincarnation of people, but always thru the extended-family. Names like Babatunde (father has returned) reflect the Yoruba notion that reincarnation is a family affair.

This is why ancestral veneration is important in Yoruba. You are not just talking to dead people; you are remembering and learning from your past.

If you do not learn from your past (in this life and in former ones), you will repeat mistakes. That is the purpose of ancestral veneration (egungun) in IFA: Yoruba Scientific Spirituality.Also, Yoruba reincarnation does not believe that once you reach "nirvana" you will stop reincarnating.

So don't believe you will escape that way either. The Odu Ifa tells us that we will all reincarnate until every single human has reached. enlightenment. We are a communal species.

When you don't understand this truth about reincarnation, you will not take efforts to improve the conditions of your clan or ethnic group because you think you will escape it in death's heaven or join another ethnic group in reincarnation. Then when you return to Earth in the same oppressed ethnic group, you complain even though in your former life you did not fight to liberate your ethnic group.

You must understand this cycle. Though the Europeans and Beige race pretends to be Christian, they understand true Reincarnation very well. This is why their clans establish strong dynasties and they accumulate wealth not just for them, but for the next three generations after them. They know they are coming back and they want to be wealthy while they sell you the lie that you can die and go to heaven to escape this cycle.I.e., Black folks. You will not escape your oppression in death's heaven nor in Indian reincarnation.

You are going to continue coming to Earth as a Black person and you are going to continue to struggle as Black until you begin to plan for the progress of Blacks three generations into the future (that you have enough prosperity that you can take care of your children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren).
A true devotee of the egungun plans for the next 16 generations of prosperity.


copy from one of my topic.

Interesting Vaxx. I believe that every kind of culture and race has some kind of explanation for reincarnation, this is just one of them to me and I enjoy hearing the Yoruba take on it. I enjoy studying traditional African religion, spicifically that of the Yoruba people as that was the first ethnic group that I had come into contact with when first discovering that I am fascinated with African cultures and peoples... doesn't help that the person who introduced me to all of this is a Yoruba singer! LOL Wonder if maybe she has practiced the Yoruba spiritual system before?

ItzPrinceIB:
OkAy ThEn, I WhUd WaNt 2b YhUr FrIeNd So As To KnOw YhU BeTtEr
( I StIll DiD NoT BeLiEve YhU ThOuGh)

Ok, well we can message on here, not very sure if I'm comfortable talking via email to you though... just trying to be causcious. This goes for anyone I'm talking to online hahaha!

I was born premature, my eyes were deformed at birth and thus didn't grow propperly, that's how I became blind. I have not been able to see all my life, but I'm just fine being who I am! I can do everything anyone else can do, but of course a little differently.

I use software to navigate my computer and the Internet, I can watch movies and TV shows with audio description. I read Braille. It's very interesting.....

ItzPrinceIB:
DuDe NoT BlInD, He JuSt NeEd A GoOd BlOoD To SuCk

LOL no dude.... I'm blind... haven't been able to see since birth.

Noun or not, what's the point?

Beckino:
Thank you!

Your welcome!

Wetin be dad's name?

Beckino:
Cool! Lucky you!

Haha, yeah, it's cool! And no miricles for me, I'm happy being who I am. God made me this way for a reason sha!

BTW nice signature.

Habiodunz:
Who typed what is up there if you are blind

How I use a computer:
https://webaccess.berkeley.edu/ask-pecan/what-is-a-screen-reader

dirtyarmpit:
No vex o OP, Are physically blind or mentally blind?

No be vex! Physically.

Hey all,

I'm just posting to ask if there are any blind Nigerians here on Nairaland? i'm not from Naija but I'm completely blind, I have not been able to see from birth. But of course that doesn't mean I can't do anything that every other sighted person can do!

So.. anyone out there that can relay their experience being blind?

God is elusive.

Some others I'd like to include....

"Fire On The Mountain"

"Bibanke"

"Eye Adaba"

"Iba"

"Eyin Mummy"

"Soul"

"Eyo"

"Sometimes I Wonder"

Sexier... I don't understand....

Greatzeus:
Cobhams is talented but not blind,he made up the blind story for sympathy and to wow fans. A man who drives and moves around himself,yet claiming he is blind but he is used to the terrain blur nigga please

I hope that you understand that blind folks are not immobile, unintelligent and unable to do anything for themselves..... actually this is quite far from the truth. This is coming from a blind person who is writing this reply to you on a computer and who is able to happily and easily browse the Internet using a screen reader. Us folks are much more capable than most people think, and it greatly saddens me that so many sighted people still have this mentality that we are like infants needing to have everything done for us, because we're not. Kobahms is, in my opinion, the perfect example of a blind person who is independent and confident enough to show the rest of the sighted world that we're people like everyone else.

I'm so sorry if I'm harsh, I just get so angry when I see people speaking ill about people who are visually impaired. We face discrimination just like any other minority you know.....

dan9ice:
i was about saying it...
How does he twit, insta gra etc...

Most likely he uses a screen reader like I do--that's right, I'm blind too!

https://webaccess.berkeley.edu/ask-pecan/what-is-a-screen-reader

May the blind continue to grow in the world of music!

So why are we having this discussion?

Poo is poo, no matter what you do.

Martinez19:
Your take is absolutely correct. It's high time humanity drop the god idea because it has robbed us so much and will continue to. Just as you said, religious people do wicked things and get away with it because they know that if they can just confess and ask for forgiveness they are free.

Awwww, thank you so much! I, to be honest, am not one who doesn't believe in what someone may call "God", but I'm certainly not one to believe in the Abrahamic god. I think that God/It/a higher power, whatever you'd like to term it, is something that we cannot comprehend. It's something that we can't see, can't know, and shouldn't try to figure out. It's mysterious, it isn't a person, to me it's more of an entity/energy/force.

I don't really practice any sort of religion personally, but that's just what I believe. I relate more to religions, like Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism... more pagan kinds just because, in general, they seem more open-minded when it comes to most things and ways of behaving, and most have a sort of system of karma.

Bros, I know, right? It's so crazy.... but sometimes being crazy is fun!

Hi Martinez19,

This is such an interesting topic! I have always been against organized religion--Christianity, Islam, etc etc etc. I myself am Jewish and, although my family is not orthodox by any means, I did have a bat mitzvah which I'll admit was quite beautiful and very transformative, at least in the sense that I was learning about personal growth and that I had achieved some personal growth at that time by memorizing around twenty-thirty chants and having to sing/chant all of them without reading anything. I was also just thirteen so it was that time of life where you aren't a kid but you're not an adult yet so....

Anyway, that's not the point of my post, nor is it the point of this thread.... so let's move on.

I believe that religion, at least organized religion, has contributed a lot of harm to society, mainly because of the points you mentioned. Some thoughts I'd like to add are that religion can make people be unhappy since they believe that they must suffer in this life to be rewarded in Heaven. They believe that the hardships they go through are unsolvable by themselves and, as you said, that God's got a plan and it's all in his hands, which I think is complete bullshit. It is up to the leaders of these societies to make everything right, of course, but it's also up to the individual person to see what exactly is going on and to see how they can get help.

I also think that religion teaches people that they are allowed to do whatever and to not worry over what they may enact since God's all forgiving, as you mentioned in your post. You are responsible for what you do, only you and not God, not Allah, none of that. Just you. And, as some other unorganized/pagan philosophies teach, you reap what you sew!

So... yeah, that's my take on this. Again, you pose a very compelling and, in my opinion, very true and valid argument. I'd love to hear your thoughts on mine!