₦airaland Forum

God1000:
forgiveness and obeying international law is another option.

Forgiveness when you still have lots of hostages! Come choose your size of slap} fast!

AbuTwins:
Seems all of you are the same!
May you witness the same treatment soon!

That is if I am equally guilty of the same things Hamas is guilty off. When you were killing and kidnapping you thought the world begins and ends with you, now you have met your match and you are spitting all over yourself.

If you know how happy I am with the treatment Israel is giving to Hamas you won't believe. See, no innocent child of a terrorist deserve to live. Benjamin is just so merciful.

I would have been king Saul if I am in his shoes.

Go and hug transformer!
Ask your idiotic terrorist to free Israelis in their custody else what you have been seeing is mare window dressing.

EbolaTinubu:
May APC happen to you and your household

Back to sender in Jesus name. Oya shout a louder amen!

APC cannot happen to me, my friends or any member of my family because we are fortified.

Tah! Nigerians are wish hopeful?
Except the deluded ones Nigerians knows very well that nothing good will come out from this administration.

Can you list five things this administration campaigned with? Nothing, they only said EMILOKAN and Nigerians voted.

You have been scammed!

You want a drug lord to make Nigeria the best country in the world, not even in a thousand years

One chance lele yi o!

Very good move!
The APC is the best political party so far and I am so grateful to God that Nigerians are confirming it.

elated177:
If you don't know why the Presence of YHVH Almighty was on and with the Ark of his Covenant, how did you know that his Presence was on and with it at all? Actually, it should be of your concern, Felimax. It is not one of those hidden mysteries of the Scriptures that require deep insight. It is actually simple and plain for any interested seeker to see and grasp. You should desire to know, if truly you are a seeker of the truth of the Scriptures.

How could you describe or classify the Ark of the Covenant as anything when you don't even know why the Presence of YHVH Almighty was on and with it, or if the Presence of YHVH Almighty was on and with it at all? Since you have introduced this into the discourse, even if I was not really going to that direction, let me ask: within the context of the Scriptures, what is an idol and what is idolatry?

Let us finish with this phase of the discourse.
Your assertions, Felimax, are the reasons for this thread and why this discussion is taking place. I was expecting you to give me a proper tutoring on them. b
However, you have failed to do so.

There are certain parameters that must be ascertained before the issue of right or wrong can be asserted, Felimax. You have been evasive.

Unlike you, Felimax, I, Elated177, am a preacher of the truth of YHVH Almighty, our Father in heaven. I actually care about the souls of others. However, it is entirely their prerogative to choose eternal life in the Kingdom of our Father in heaven or eternal damnation in the lake of fire. So, you see, sharing and preaching the truth without fear or favour are of top priority, Felimax. You shouldn't have mentioned the Ark of the Covenant and the bronze snake if they weren't your business. The mere fact that you did shows that they are your business.

I have shown you where you contradicted yourself, Felimax.

Thanks a bunch!
Guess I am good to go? Regardless, thanks. Bye!

Miggs:
Be careful though.
Many western men who have gotten the procedure complain about excruciating pains from their abdomen down to their legs.Pains they have to live with because the medical personnel cannot do anything to remedy it but you will never hear a word from the media about this

Jesus! Thank you jare!

obiekunie01:
you are encouraging Catholics to accommodate gays and trans and yet cancelling freemasonry. hypocrisy.

this pope is one of the most useless pope!

Even worst was said about Jesus and there is virtually no Pope that has not been called names and even tagged the Antichrist.

Even God gave up on humans and in Nigeria's case, God left us on autopilot. God:- Nigerians do what you like.

Best idea, I must give it a shot. No more surprises.

elated177:
I am sure you have seen where you contradicted yourself. I know what contradiction means, Felimax.

I never said that the Ark of the Covenant was God.

It is actually simple to understand, Felimax, why was the Presence of YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, with the Ark of his Covenant? This is what I have been trying to get from you. If you do not know the answer to the question, just say so and we will move on to the next phase of the discourse, that is, after I have told you the reason, of course.

The Israelites didn't worship the Ark of the Covenant, of course. I never said anything contrary to that. We know that they revered it. Why? One might say that it is because the Presence of YHVH Almighty, God Almighty, our Father in heaven, was on and with it. Why? Why was the Presence of God Almighty with it?

I am not answering that because it is off my concern. For whatever reasons that makes the Ark of the Covenant to possess the presence of God it is non of my concern. That is God's business and not mine. I honestly don't want to know.

I am still standing on the fact that the Ark of the Covenant from the view of Idolatry is nothing but Idolatry because it is an idol that possess the presence of God. QED!

Anything short is non of my business. You can go straight to that thing that made you mentioned me, that thing you have been trying to say from beginning that you want me to learn.

Stop asking me questions and hit the nail on the head. Tell me, this is where I am wrong and this is what you think is right. If it makes sense I will gladly accept.

Like I said, I am not a preacher and will never be. So save me the stress of typing so many things over what is actually not my business.

I honestly want to know how I contradicted myself. Quote it!

elated177:
See where you contradicted yourself.



Are you saying that the presence of God was not in that temple?





Let me ask, at this juncture, what is the Ark of the Covenant?

Oga tell me, what the Ark of the Covenant is not. Disprove my submission by telling me your stand.

Banana Republic!

elated177:
Felimax, what is funny? Why did you inquire of my denomination?

I have seen all your replies, Felimax.

Who said anything about Catechism?
We are here to learn from each, aren't we?

And I want to know why the Ark of the Covenant bore the presence of God.

I never said that the Ark of the Covenant was God, Felimax.

The Presence of God, our Father in heaven, was actually in that temple. Now you are contradicting yourself, Felimax. First, you said that the presence of God was on and with the Ark of his Covenant and now you are saying a different thing entirely.

The Presence of YHVH Almighty, our Father in heaven, was on and with the Ark of his Covenant and, by that fact, in that temple. #Fact.

So, the Ark of the Covenant didn't represent his presence. If I am wrong, enlighten me otherwise. After all, we are here to learn.

I am beginning to think that you are deliberately evading my question. Here it is again, Felimax. Why was the presence of God on and with the Ark of his Covenant? You do know that his Presence here means his Spirit, right?

Of course, the presence of God meant His Spirit which of course there is no distinction between God and His Spirit.

Just hit the nail of the head with your juxtaposition. Do you really understand the meaning of contradiction or you find it difficult grasping my submission?

Unequivocally, I said the Ark of the Covenant represent the presence of God and that it represents the presence of God does not mean that it is God. So even if the Jews has very high reverence for the Ark of the Covenant it does not mean they worship the Ark.

This is my point!

I am still waiting for where we have our disagreement.

elated177:
Felimax, I belong to the denomination that has the utmost respect and honour for the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty, our Father in heaven, and sees the total and complete and absolute obedience to them as unnegotiable. I belong to the denomination that believes that Yahushua the Messiah, the Word and begotten Son of YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God and the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them and the Father of the spirits of all humans, is the embodiment of the Ten Commandments and that obedience to them is obedience to him and, therefore, the only path to Salvation. So, Felimax, do you know of such denomination? Have you heard of such denomination? Does it exist.

You didn't really answer my last question above. You, probably, didn't understand it. We have established that the Ark of the Covenant was revered because of the Presence of our Father in heaven on and with it. Now, I want you to tell us, if you know, why the Presence of our Father in heaven was on and with his Ark of the Covenant. This should be easier to grasp.

Quite funny bro!
I answered your question maybe you did not see it. Trust me I am not ready to go through another part of Catechism class.

All I wanted to leave was that like it or not the Ark of the Covenant was imagery bearing the presence of God, QED!

The Ark of the Covenant is not God and God is not the Ark of the Covenant. Lobatan!
It has a very special place in the sanctuary and not everyone can go there. They worship in the temple as though the presence of God is there. What is that item that represents God's presence? The Ark of the Covenant.

If it houses or possess the presence of God then that is pure idolatry and no one can convince me otherwise because that is what it is.

So?

No they want to wipe out all Jews from the face of the Earth. Then eventually hit very hardly on Christians.

Y'all Islamic extremist and Jihadist are goners!

Terrorist sympathizers consoling themselves with fake news.

Like it or not Hamas is on the run. If I am Benjamin I will ensure that members of family will go for it.

If you must kill your enemy kill him completely.

It was interesting to hear the chief Rabbi of SA mentioning Nigeria and Uganda.
It was almost as if he meant to say Hamas and the Israeli offensive was a payback to the Jihadist Boko Haram satanic movement in Nigeria.

I don't know how to appreciate the IDF for unleashing on ISIS & Hamas.

43Ronin:
Ok no problem. my advice to you is this. Ask and you shall receive, seek & you shall find, knock & d door shall be open to you. When you ask God the right questions he will enlighten you and direct you to knowledge(holy spirit). when you get the knowledge you will understand all. You are just religious, you are not christain yet. shalom!

It is not your place to determine if I just religious or not. In Christianity there are those who believe in Christ and follows Him, this people are saved.
There are those who don't believe but yet still follows Him. I know where I belong because I have been moved into light where virtually all my questions were answered.

You are too filthy to tell me what to ask God. He has provided everything I needed to know and has brought me salvation through grace.

Jesus is God!

elated177:
Felimax, what ensured the presence of our Father in heaven with Ark of the Covenant?
In other words, what gave the Ark of the Covenant its revered status?

The presence of God!
Elated177, please do me a favour. Tell me which denomination you belong to?
I want to know your state of belief?

elated177:
Felimax, are you no longer interested in the convo?

You have not engaged me since then. You ask some few questions and then you were off.
It will be very disgusting if you try to engage me with different monikers.

Please, don't take me to a thread where people will be asking stupid questions like if Jesus is God because while He was alive the sole reason why they killed Him was because they said He claimed to be God. Some of His followers left him at the last minute because they claimed they cannot eat human flesh and drink his blood and Jesus did not call them back. So if Jesus, the Master Himself did not stress Himself because He knows they are of the devil then why should i?

I want to engage on this issues reasonably from a focus point of view.
I don't argue the Word of God and i don't preach. I will never preach to anybody. Anyone can be condemn to hell for all i care. It's a personal thing.
I know what it took me to secure my salvation and i am guiding it very jealously.

43Ronin:
pardon me, it was actually christ the king feast you mentioned an incense was being offered to the communion, but where exactly did Jesus say that the bread and wine should literally be worshipped Jesus himself never claimed to be God, and the bread and wine meaning his flesh and blood is symbolic not literal. pls don't tell me you actually believed Jesus said we should cannibalise him when he said eat my flesh and drink my blood Do you even know what his flesh and blood symbolically means? Also, is novena not prayers being offered up to Jesus through Mary or any of the saints, do you want me to post novena prayers to saints here? are you supposed to direct your prayers to d saints or to Jesus? doesn't the bible categorically states in 1 Timothy 2 vs 5 that God is one, and that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man? doesn't Jesus christ also state that he's the way, truth & life and no one gets to the father except thru him?(john 14 vs 6). Where's the concept gotten from that heaven operates like earth where you have bureaucracy and favoritism & that the saints or Mary have to intercede for you tru your prayers to them so that Jesus can also intercede for you becos Gods payer requests are too much to handle Didn't Jesus himself caution about making irrelevant things more important than the word of God In Luke 11,27-28 and cautioned peter about erecting images(terbanacle) during the transfiguration?

Jesus never claimed to be God? Are you for real?
Please sir, are you a christian or not?
I don't discuss with Muslims, as well as Atheist. So please tell me where you belong first before i know what to do.
I will not engage you in all of that. The catholic church base their teachings from the Word (The Sacred Scriptures) and the traditions laid down by the Apostles.

90% of your concerns up there are the very elementaries of what an everyday chirstian should know so if at this stage you are still very far from understanding then i will suggest you look for a bible believing church where they help brush you up on the mystreies of the Kingdom.
For me, i am not a preacher and i will not be.

Bro, please don't mention me again. Jesus never claimed to be God? If you don't believe Jesus is God then why are you still reading the Bible? Are you demonic? Please sir, I beg you in God's name don't mention me again.
Thanks for your co-operation and understanding! I really appreciate.

The moment you say Jesus never claimed to be God i knew you are not alone. There are things speaking through you.

43Ronin:
do you actually believe the bolded? or your definition of rituals is killing white cock & sprinkling its blood. have you ever gone for a procession during the feast of the assumption? what is this pics below I witnessed one such procession in Auchi, I was with my Muslim friends and they all screamed when they saw the procession. incense was being burned and being offered to the statue, if that's not worship then what is?

Fat lie from the pit of hell!
No clergy will incense a statue.
The Word of God (the Bible) before it is read can be incensed!
The Paschal Candle which represent Jesus Christ the Light of the world can be incensed!
The Congregation can be incensed!
The Eucharist even on procession can be incensed!

I have never seen, anywhere where Catholics do libations to statues. If you have proof please show me.
Y'all will seat where you are and be saying what you don't know.

On Christ the feast day you will boldly see a priest or the Bishop carrying the Eucharist as they walk pass your street and that is when healings takes place. On that day you will see it boldly that the Eucharist will be incensed all through.

The Statue of Holy people you whose procession you see are what they are. Catholics, right from the time of the Apostles has never said the saints or holy people are Gods even when some of them till this day has enjoyed divine approval from God. Some has died for decades going to centuries their bodies has not decompose.

The Church teaches that there are three types of honor that are due to those who are holy:

1) Dulia. This is the honor and recognition which we accord to the saints. Perhaps they died as martyrs rather than deny God; or they worked great miracles, since their friendship with God meant that He granted their prayers for healing or restoration; or they simply, as Therese of Lisieux, lived holiness in their own “little way.”
2) Hyperdulia. This is, to put it simply, lots and lots of dulia. This is the very special honor we accord to Mary, the Mother of God.
3) Latria. This is true worship, and is given only to God. St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, writing in his Summa Theologiae (II-II, q. 103, a. 4; III, q. 25, a. 5), explained: “In more technical terms used by the Tradition to draw this important distinction, devotion to Mary belongs to the veneration of dulia, or the homage and honor owed to the saints, both angelic and human in heaven, and not to latria, or the adoration and worship that can be given only to the Triune God and the Son incarnate. Because of her unique relationship to Christ in salvation history, however, the special degree of devotion due to Mary has traditionally been called hyperdulia. While latria is owed to her Son by reason of unity of his divine and human natures in the Person of the Word made flesh, hyperdulia is due to Mary as truly his Mother.”

One of Catholicism’s most frequently uttered prayers is the Hail Mary. But is this idolatry? No. It’s Scripture.


Enough of this very unnecessary argument! Leave the Catholic Church alone and focus on your the spirit told me.
We are Catholics close to two thousand years ago and we will be catholics forever.
The Catholic Church makes up 65% of Christians in the world.

Show me a place where Catholics do libations or offer special sacrifices to these images or rest it.

Except a united opposition front Tinubu will do eight years.
The APC government will spend fortune to ensure all the major opposition parties are highly infiltrated than fix the country. All they care is just to hold power.
For the opposition to unseat PDP they came with a united front.

DON"T MENTION ME PLEASE!
I AM VERY BUSY

Who cares?

Dtruthspeaker:
Is the cherubims not part of the Ark? And you even said "What are the items in the Ark of the Covenant?" NOT ON TOP OF THE ARK.

So, no point here.

Secondly, none of these shows were the jews were worshiping and bowing to the ark or the cherubims. They could not even see it nor come near the tabernacle where it stays.

Neither did they make any images of it in their tents and houses

So, you people are just looking for God's wrath to fall on you just like those who made the golden calf and worshipped it. Like the golden calf worshippers you people are headed for destruction.

How best do you identify a demon! Bro, I beg face front.
Stop spitting on my body!

Catholic wey your generations go die leave. Be killing yourself for God. Just do your best to tame your demon. You are already sounding like a Lunatic.

Don't mention me again!
May thunder strike you dead if you mention me again and if the demon in you will not let you stay without mentioning me then go and hug transformer.

OloYeOfEgbE:
Your great grandfather said that. Your grand father said that...Your father said that.. now you are saying that..

Guy shatap abeg

Anyways, point of corrections you actually meant your generation said that! Your case don dey God hand.

Poverty of the mind worst than poverty of the pocket. Peace!

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are using the Ark of Covenant.

The golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tablets of the covenant are the items in the ark. No point here.



No it was not.

The people could not even see it as it was kept in the tarbanacle.

The tarbanacle they could not even enter, they got only to the door and gathered round it's perimeters

So they did not have the opportunity of worshiping the ark not the tabernacle.



They already knew they had God with them via the pillar of fire/cloud even before the tabernacle so no point here.

And in all these we do not see the jews worshipping and having any images of these things in their tents and houses not bowing down to them , so you have nothing here.

How you craftily avoid avoid the image of the Cherubims!
How you craftily ignored the fact that the Ark of the Covenant is only an item yet possess such great powers that could leave a man dead when he is unholy.
You quickly forgot that it was the same God who instructed and gave the template on how the Ark should be designed.

Like it or not the Ark of the Covenant represent the power of God and it's highly venerated.

Oga oya, dismantle the Bronze Serpent?