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smokinloud:
Used what?, JESUS said something is good and you are asking me where he used it. If Jesus said something he meant it. Jesus is not hypocritical who is double standard.
If Jesus condemn tithing then early church fathers would have condemned it too. We see early church fathers preaching tithes just like Jesus said it's good.
This is what Clement of Alexandria said about tithe:

"The tithes of the fruits and of the flocks taught both piety towards the Deity and not to covetously grasp everything. Instead, one should share gifts of kindness with one’s neighbors. For it was from these, I reckon, and from the firstfruits that the priests were maintained.”

Show us elsewhere tithe was mentioned by Jesus. Which other scripture back your claims

smokinloud:
Did you read my comment ?, I said where the Apostles use the formula "THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT" as Jesus prescribed in the gospels for baptism. You can never see anywhere in the bible where the disciples baptized in that formula. Does it mean they don't obey Jesus?, far from it. Not every single action of the Apostles is recorded in the Acts of apostle. They were summarized and we have to read the bible in context to derive doctrine from it.
Matthew 28:19
[19]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

This is the formula gan gan
Acts 2:38
[38]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Here it only says "in the name of Jesus" not the name of the father the son and the holy spirit.

The fact, the apostle actually baptized in that formula but what was recorded was not the formula, it was just Peter's preaching not the act of baptism gan gan

lolz....Jesus has the power to forgive sin, so baptism in His name is valid.

John the Baptist baptised in the name of God.

If the Apostles err, Jesus would have called them to order like he did to Peter in his dream about Gentiles

smokinloud:
Okay, show me one Apostle that baptized in the name of the father, son and Holy Spirit.
Show me any Apostle that draft out any biblical doctrine as dogma for the church.

Oga, corneliius got baptized via Paul instruction
Peter also order baptism here
Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ . . .” (Acts 2:38)

smokinloud:
As long as Jesus endorsed it, it is not heresy when church fathers include tithes as a tenet of faith in their particular churches.


Matthew 23:23
[23]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

That’s not an endorsement. Show us where the Apostle referenced it or Jesus used it again. It was directed to the Pharisees in the 7 woes message to them

kwasoly:
He was referring to the old testament incase you don't know, try and read your bible back to back then come for DBS.

Is it not in the old testament they kill animal and shed its blood. Your illiteracy is on the high. Read to understand, don't read to argue. All the Laws in the old testament weren't fulfil by the previous method, hence Jesus had to come to fulfil them

So, forgiveness of sin: His blood replaced animal blood

Man- priest - God relationship replaced with Man - God relationship

sonofsteven:
Any sacrifice you do for prosperity or financial gain or success is money ritual

Goodluck charm na for progress

Fortune charm na still gain, charm to get rich husband na still ritual,charm to pass exam na ritual but can't say it's money ritual, charm for you to traffick drugs na money ritual

Anything that involves give and take na ritual, while Anything that involves monetary gains na money ritual... Anything action you do repeatedly on daily basis at a particular time and place na ritual too(but this kind of ritual doesn't have evil attached to eat as it involves your self development eg, waking up at a particular time everyday, exercising at a particular time and place everyday etc 😀 😄

You don derail the thread. The original post was clear on the type of money ritual

Donaldoni:
Are you a crack head

How is verse 32 an instruction

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

So what is verse 32? Command?

smokinloud:
I didn't shift any goal post. I'm only telling you that revelation is progressive though must be grounded in the scripture. That the Apostles don't practice it doesn't mean it's Heresy. Don't you get my point?.

If its not ESTABLISHED, its heresy. Let that sink in.

Baptism was established

smokinloud:
why is your biblical knowledge so shallow?.
The bible verses you quoted talks about the kingdom Christ, a different dispensation where the Jews and Christians will rule. You are not qualified to have a discourse on this topic joor. Go sleep.

Lolz , indeed the loud is worrying you. What nonsense dispensation. No more Jews or Gentiles.

Gen 3:27-28
There is no longer Jew or Gentile, no longer slave or free, no longer male and female. For you are all one in Messiah Jesus.”

Go ahead and swim in your folly

Donaldoni:
Did Jesus instruct us to do the bolded

You dull gan o

Are you blind to verse 32? you also said that all scripture is for everyone, why are you always shifting the goal post

Donaldoni:
Yet they still apply today

So what's your point?

So, you ve done the below...how many tombs have you built


29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

smokinloud:
In the book of Apostles there is no formula for baptism too, you need to go to the gospels for that.
In the book of Acts there is no defined doctrine of the trinity too, though the concept of the three persons of the blessed trinity is there, what you have is a scattered reference that JESUS is God. The father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
Tithe is a formula for the support of the gospel that the has its root in the scripture.

Stop shifting the goal post. We are not discussing trinity, jesus being God or baptism, infact you don't even know my position on them. Don't pretend to be confused, na tithe we dey discuss

Donaldoni:
Are you this dull

In Genesis 49:4, Jacob was pronouncing judgement his son that defiled his bed. And it could still apply to whoever does so today.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus was establishing doctrine and giving them priority. The Pharisees are no more. But the principles still apply to us today

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Stop struggling to be intelligent. We all know you ain't..innit?

There are 7 woes dedicated to them from verse 13


13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14]

15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’

17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?

18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’

19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?

20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.

21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.

22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.

26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.

28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.

30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’

31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.

32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

Fineman2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtCY8LaIuCM?si=pZR_a3Ajn0m7tEoB


Our queen is back in Nigeria, today she was warmly received by Nigerians on her arrival from Mexico.

Thank God she no win , Tpain for count am as his administration achievements

Truths9ja:
Gradually Adeleke is killing his second term ambition. 2026 will buried Adeleke reelection bid. Most of his thugs are been picked up of murder and robbery cases

Yinmu
No apc thug can survive in Osun

Bobloco:
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That’s the only way to get quick response

ExAngel007:
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A woman was half-way done with a bowl of cereal when she found a wall gecko in it.

She dipped her spoon into the bowl to scoop some cereal but the spoon came up with the dead reptile.

She shared the photo on social media and later returned to the platform to reveal that she received a message from the cereal brand.


See below.

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smokinloud:
What does it mean to be a priest in temple-Judaism era?.
The fall of Jerusalem has caused many harms to many lazy Christians. Before Rabbinic Judaism, the Jews were like Christians in the way they are organised. Priest do all the pastors work then, they're incharge of temple works. I DON'T... GOD, IGNORANCE IS THE PROBLEM OF MANY PEOPLE ON NAIRALAND. SO, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT PRIESTHOOD IS A MINISTRY?. THEN HOW ON EARTH DO YOU KNOW THAT JESUS IS THE MESSIAH?!.

The last priest was Jesus. Even the Apostles didn't claim the levitical priesthood office when Jesus left.

Through the holyspirit, you n I now occupy the priesthood office

1 Pet 2:9

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Rev 1:6

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”

A pastor is not priest....don't mix it up

naptu2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi2nWGuj0XE?si=DNILffcGDIDh_dMe

Kawu Garba @KawuGarba

Aboki is wired differently, they derive joy in suffering n smiling

smokinloud:
Tithing from its inception is a system of support for ministry even before the Israelites authorized it , it was given to Melchizedek as a support to his ministry as a priest, then to the priesthood lineage of Israelites and then Jesus endorsed it. Tithing is not INHERENTLY EVIL ba?. So I don't know why a spirit filled Christian will be against it na only pipu possessed of the anti-christ spirit...

It wasn't giving to support ministry. It was given to those NOT WORKING but devoted to seeking the face of God (priest)

How many of these guys are priest?
Most of them even have secular job

In the book of act, the Christians/believers didn't tithe. This was replaced with cheerful giving and that was how Paul ministry and others were funded

Ministry got funded from CHEERFUL giving NOT TITHE

OlawaleBammie:
Ok

As a corper who will be serving in a bank, just know that u re going to serve as a marketer...unless u know Elumelu senior brother concubines

U go wake for sun finding customer for UBA tire

Better than serving in a village school without light, network, good roads n drinkable water

Iseoluwani:
shut da f*** up. if you knew LAZARUS, you wont type trash

Who is lazarus? Same man that doesn't rate pregnant women. You don't know these men outside social media/pulpit

You better focus on God of Man instead of Man of God

smokinloud:
Tithe is a system of support for the ministry, support for the ministry could be in form of tithe or any giving. The standard here is that the church doesn't depend on external institutions to subsist. You don't have any point joor.

Where is it written that tithing is for supporting ministry

Truths9ja:
"Elon Musk is the top partner with the Rhapsody of Realities and gives over $10 million" - Pastor Femi Lazarus tells those questioning if the world's richest man, Elon Musk, pays tithe.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK6HS06LFiQ

Nothing to celebrate...it's a business thing

Donaldoni:
Did you sleep with your father's wife/concubine

I expect you to be smarter than this

I thought you said its for everyone? Why are you changing the goal post now

Unless you are Pharisees, you have no business with Mt 23:23. Jesus wasn't talking to you either Qed!

kwasoly:
We are very quick to tag tithe as old testament and quick to still declare most of those old testament scriptures.
Matt 5:17 Jesus said I have not come to abolish the law and the prophet but to fulfil it, meanwhile whatever is written in the old testament is still valid in the scripture.

Do you understand what he meant by fulfilling the law?

To accomplish what the law couldn't do. E.g

Shedding animal blood for atonement of sin isn't enough to wash away sin

Rom 8:3

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit

Donaldoni:
No part of scripture is for a specific group of people. It is for all of us. That's the summary of 2 Timothy 3:16.

So this particular verse below is for you going by your logic

Gen 49:4
Uncontrolled as the waters, you will no longer excel

Truths9ja:
he’s a big master in Nigeria politics. 2027 is a done deal for him.

lolz They are already showing us what will happen in 2027 with Ondo n Edo results

Donaldoni:
Scriptures apply to all of us

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Oga, read other version to understand, you are just throwing scriptures around. What has 2 Tim 3:16 got to do with this. It's same scripture with different interpretation to aid understanding. It's obvious you are not ready to learn, you read to argue and not to learn and understand

Donaldoni:
They did pay tithe

Matthew 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

He was talking to the Pharisees... oga or English don hard you to interpret ni...better read it in today's English version like NIV, Goodnews, Amplified or NKJV

Truths9ja:
yes soooo. I was even surprised Tinubu government hired him again

It's Tinubu's way to recruit the best player in the opposing team into his squad. He understands the game of politics

Donaldoni:
Because they were only fervent in tithing and neglected other important matters.

Others were doing everything so He did not need to reprimand them.

Show me where that was written in your bible

He never preached tithe, his desciples never paid.

Even as apostles, they never paid