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Career / Re: Which Is Better, Pharmacy Or Civil Engineering? by Femzi8cul: 7:08pm On Jun 03, 2023
halohs:
Between Pharmacy and Civil engineering........Go for Pharmacy. But if you have a flare for engineering, Go for Mechanical or Electrical.
Bro we ar talking abt civil not abt mech or electrical
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Construction Company Vs Real Estate Firm For A Civil Engineer by Femzi8cul: 3:50pm On May 14, 2023
webincomeplus:
Go with the one that pays better!
Which is
Career / Re: The Best And Most Lucrative Engineering Course To Study In Nigeria by Femzi8cul: 9:27pm On May 11, 2023
kennynelcon:
Civil n EE Then mech.
Career / Re: The Best And Most Lucrative Engineering Course To Study In Nigeria by Femzi8cul: 9:26pm On May 11, 2023
davidich:
Please i want your advice on the best and most lucrative engineering course in Nigeria. Because am about choosing a career for myself and i need advice from you all. In the case of creativity more chances of job opportunity etc.
Education / Re: Which Engineering Course Do You Prefer? by Femzi8cul: 9:17pm On Oct 03, 2022
GoGod:
yea nd i knw wht he s up to wf dat course

I don't understand u
Career / Re: Civil Engineer Earning by Femzi8cul: 8:25pm On Sep 18, 2022
It all depends
Education / Re: 20 Of The Best Engineering Courses In Nigeria by Femzi8cul: 7:59pm On Sep 09, 2022
Simeonjoe1:
The best engineering course with ideal prospect in Nigeria is civil engineering

I agree with you
Education / Re: 20 Of The Best Engineering Courses In Nigeria by Femzi8cul: 7:58pm On Sep 09, 2022
Civil engineering is good also the highest paid firld
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Top 5 Nigerian Construction Companies To Work For. by Femzi8cul: 12:16pm On Aug 10, 2022
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well..not only in Nigeria. civil engineering is one of the least paid engineering discipline in the world even though it's one of the most dynamic.[/quote

Look I don't think you kno dose guys they make millions
Career / Re: Which Profession Stands Out In Nigeria? by Femzi8cul: 8:41pm On Aug 07, 2022
Joenyam:
The thing is that in topics like this sentiment will always be inculcated, But the truth is that engineering is wack, no standards in Nigeria. The system is corrupt, politics hell no. In developed countries, politics is not a profession, you must be involved in other walks while you're into politics. Its not as though Nigerians are not capable, but the system and attitude towards making positivity is far from getting there, Civil engineering should be more lucrative cos the country is developing. Civil engineerin is gud.

I definitely agree with you
Career / Re: The Cost Of Making An Engineer. by Femzi8cul: 7:27pm On Aug 01, 2022
GR8ST:
This post is not necessarily for everyone but for self consumption.

THE COST OF MAKING AN ENGINEER
For want of a better title, I have chosen this one. I know in the course of my discourse, you will get to understand what my inner thoughts are for which I have decided to voice out using this medium. I am a lengthy writer, so brace up and follow me slowly.
As I was about graduating from Secondary School being in a state owned Science School, I had two options before me: either to become an Engineer or a Medical Doctor, as is always the case for most science students. Upon a little inquiry into the contents of these two courses, I learnt that as a Medicine student you wouldn't do mathematics, rather you will be inclined towards Biology. The opposite was the case for Engineering. For the love of Mathematics only, I opted for Engineering though many senior voices around me compelled me otherwise.
Going through Engineering for five years in a purely Engineering institution, I kept wondering at the shabbiness and lack of depth and seriousness attached to the Engineering Training. Though I saw all the Mathematics I thought I will see, there was no real life application of the concepts we were taught. Either the lecturers couldn't apply the mathematical models to industry applications or what we were learning had nothing to do with what was obtainable in the industry.
Then it was time for Industrial Training. Wow! Finally we can make sense of all these dy/dx we have been hearing. We got to the industry and had the biggest shock: Classroom and industry operated in two different worlds. Before we could even find a place to perch, it was like looking for a paid employment. Industry owners felt we were unnecessary disturbances or incursions into their normal production chain.
Five years after we wrote our 'final' exams. I kept wondering why it was called final. I felt final should have incorporated all we had learnt in the previous 9 semesters, but no, nothing of such. In fact, as is the case with most courses, everything learnt in the previous semester is dropped or forgotten. So we were only examined by what we had learnt in the final semester. May be final exams actually meant Final Semester Exams. Results computed and we left unceremoniously. No Mobil PLC, no ABB, no Julius Berger, no NNPC, no Chervron and the likes waiting to receive the latest brains from the Nigerian University System.
Thrown into NYSC camps like every other graduate, we struggled to teach Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, etc with those that were Majors in these subjects. No Engineering Industry to be posted to. Two years after my NYSC, here I am in the office of the Secretary, Nigerian Society of Engineers to ask him what it will take for me to bear the title Engr before my name: he replied, 5 years post NYSC experience in an Engineering Industry. You couldn't imagine my laughter. So all the dy/dx for five years is grossly inadequate to make me an Engineer.
This is 18 years since I chose to study Engineering against Medicine, I have the Engineering qualification, I have registered as an Engineer and I work as an Engineer. Here is the paradox: looking at what I have been doing in the last 7 years, overseeing the safety of hundreds or thousands of lives flying over the Nigerian airspace into and out of my territory, I wonder at the shabby, non-chalant, lazy, undemanding nature of Engineering training in Nigerian Universities.
Comparing with a medical student, suffice me to give an abridged version of how medical school looks like since I have never been there. A young chap gets into medical school and from day zero, he is being told how tough it is to graduate because it is about Saving Lives (Saving Lives! I will come back to it). He is introduced to several big names, anatomy, pharmacology, physiology, clinical sciences, etc. He is told to buy big textbooks. The textbooks of course are very intimidating in size. The guy wonders will I be able to cramp all these? Then he begins to hear 1st MB, 2nd MB, if you fail, you resit, if you fail again you drop out. He is shown some students who started in Medicine but couldn't cope and had to take 'lesser' courses like Biochemistry, Medical Lab Science, Anatomy, etc. So from inception, they build into him the spirit of "I MUST SUCCEED". The guy goes through and after some years maybe in year 3 or 4 or 5 (I don't know, of course I have not been there before) the guy is whisked out of the school and sent to A Teaching Hospital where he begins to interact with the industry. He sees patients, works with consultants through medical procedures and all that. Then its time for him to graduate. He plans for the graduation: calls friends, family, well wishers and the whole community. He provides souvenir, hire reception venues and becomes the celebrity of the moment. The ceremony is not just graduation ceremony, it is not convocation: it is OATH TAKING CEREMONY and conferment of title as Dr. He is taking oath to protect and preserve lives. He obtains his license and off he goes.
The industry welcomes him with open arms. He had spent the last 3 years within the industry so he understands clearly what he will do.
Now this is the part I like to point out. What does a doctor do when he gets to the office? Let's take it in the angle of a patient by name Felicia.
Felicia wakes up in the morning with the usual pain she has been feeling for about 1 week is back. Now the pain is so severe and she decides to visit the hospital. On getting to the Out Patient Department, she is told to purchase a card so a folder can be opened for her. She does that quickly and a nurse calls her, initiates conversation to tell her all is well, you have come to the right place. The nurse takes her vital signs: blood pressure, heart beat, pulse and temperature, records in her folder and takes it to the doctor.
The doctor calls Felicia in and start asking questions, ranging from symptoms, history, etc. He tries one or two physical examination here and there and come up with a suspicion. To confirm or be very sure, he orders for laboratory tests. Meaning the doctor needs guidance (after all that rigorous training?).
Samples are taken, maybe urine, blood, faeces, cough, etc. The uncelebrated Medical Lab Scientist carries out the test and sends the result back to the doctor who now from the result gives the 'correct diagnosis'. Depending on the severity, Felicia is either admitted and handed over to a nurse or she is sent home but not without drugs.
Doctor writes out a prescription and Felicia goes to a pharmacy, meets a pharmacist who gives her the drugs and write out the dosage clearly for Felicia.
If Felicia is admitted, she lies on the bed and it becomes the duty of the nurses to administer the drugs, keep checking the vital signs and report any thing seen to the doctor who comes in for ward rounds. If Felicia needed surgery, of course, that's a whole procedure on its own. Felicia or her relative must sign a consent form to protect the doctor. Sense!
Why did I go through all these? Everything the doctor, nurse, pharmacist, lab scientist, etc did was to protect and preserve the life of just about ONE PERSON- FELICIA.
If at anytime, any of them gets a procedure wrong, only Felicia will be affected. So all the fear, seriousness, concentrated training, big text books, mighty exams and glorious oath taking was just for one person at a time. That is what is bothering me. If a doctor makes a mistake, most likely, only one person may suffer directly - maximum of one death on the average.
Now let's paint the same scenario with a typical Engineer, and I want to use one common engineering activity we see everyday - building.
Mr. Mbayo is a business man who is into real estate. He wants to build a three-storey shopping mall. So he calls an architect who discusses with him and gives him an architectural design using the survey plan gotten from the Land Surveyor. The architect hands over the design to a structural engineer who gives a structural design, an Electrical engineer who gives electrical design and a Mechanical Engineer who gives the mechanical design. The structural engineer hands over his document to a quantity surveyor that does the costing.
All designs are ready. Approvals gotten and the document is handed over to a 'Builder' who most of the time studied Building Technology or any Civil Engineer. Work starts and people are moved into the construction site - men, women, young boys and girls, machines, and all sorts of things.
Assuming there was an error in the chain and during construction, the building collapses or the building is completed and people move in, business starts and it becomes a beehive of enterprising activity, then the building collapses, or catches fire due to poor wiring, etc!
Please just pause and answer this? How many people will most likely be affected by such an error? What will be the geographical and economic effect of such an error? We can't attach a number! But it is certainly NOT going to be ONE as in the case of a doctor. I can't talk about aviation, drilling, road, rail and bridge constructions, power, etc.
So if what I painted above is the cost of training a doctor whose goal is to save one life at a time (as important as that one life is), what should be the cost of training an Engineer?
As important as Structural Engineers are in this country, no University I know of graduates Structural Engineers. We only graduate civil engineers, who decide on their own to become structural engineers. Government cannot pay attention to the one single sector that if there is an error, a whole generation can be wiped out in an instant. Engineering profession is where quackery is celebrated the most. That's why most heads of Engineering projects or parastatals are not Engineers. In Nigeria, the Minister of Works, power, housing, mineral resources, water, etc must not be an engineer. The same goes for commissioners in states. Yet, you can't do that in finance, health, law, etc.
Our professional bodies are also aggravating issues. The Nigeria Society of Engineers and COREN have refused to place value on the title and degrees acquired. When you also cast aspersion to the degree you give to us in the university (many university dons are Fellows of NSE) you tell us we need additional five years to qualify, how will outsiders think well of us? Like I told the University of Lagos don who interviewed me for my COREN exams, I am not against the written examinations, projects, and oral interview conducted before we register as engineers. But why can't all that be incorporated into our five years in school? Why should we offer courses that have no bearing with us in year one in the first place? Even if you want to make Engineering 6 or 7 years, you can make it. Just make sure the degree has value. We need to graduate having a good grasp of the industry. If doctors take oath to protect one life, how much more an engineer?
Why can't we replicate what happens in medical school in our engineering schools? You will say we don't have engineering organizations like hospitals do. But all states of the federation have Ministry of Works at the least. Why can't we have a policy of allowing engineering students to do some kind of housemanship programme in these places before they graduate? Why should individual students go out in search of IT placement when their counterparts in medical school just walk into the teaching hospitals? This is simply a matter of policy: for any school to offer engineering, you must have an industrial Centre where students will have monitored exposure to industrial experience.
Looking at the certificate NSE or COREN gives which gives us license to sign off a project, in the event such a license is revoked as a disciplinary measure, what does the bearer stand to loose? He will no longer be involved in any project or his stamp or seal are confiscated and so he can't sign again? How does not signing off a project exclude someone from a project when there are several non professionals involved already? So no one gives a thought to whether his stamp is revoked or not. In fact, its just that government establishment requires registration at a particular level of work, that is why most people are even going for it. Of course as we know, government is not the only employer of engineers. The private sector has more and they don't need that. They require skill and competency. So if I must take the registration serious, then add value to it. Is it possible to make sure only registered engineers or professionals are involved in engineering projects no matter the level of involvement? Then you are beginning to talk about adding value. Compare with a doctor, his license is his life. Without which, he is finished. He can't imagine his license hanging in the balance.
There is yet another concern about my NSE. With all the way our government treats engineers and engineering projects, can NSE decide to take any industrial action such as downing of tools? Can my President come up one day and tell the federal government and all state governors that all engineers are downing their tools! Meaning no flight, no water, no power, no oil production, no communication, no media, etc. Please don't say most engineers are working for private institutions and it will not happen. I know a lot of people in PENGASSAN and NUPENG work for private establishments, yet when they decide to down tools Nigeria quakes. Of course I can't talk about when Nigerian Medical Association or National Association of Resident Doctors decide to down tools, even with the number of private hospitals spread across Nigeria. Our problem is basically VALUE.
I cannot understand why Nigerian universities that produce Doctors, artists, pharmacists, accountants, architects, lawyers, etc and all these guys leave the university and begin to practice immediately; nobody is interested whether they are trained here at home or abroad; this same university cannot train engineers to practice as soon as they are out and addressed as such. The problem is not the university, the problem is definitely the manner or kind of training.
Let us stop all these commission of enquiry that we set up every time there is an accident or incident looking for who to blame and scores of lives are lost. The government knows what to do, they just refuse to do it. You can't be spending all that resource to train a medical doctor who only handles one life at a time and shabbily train an engineer who will handle projects that affect scores of lives spread across diverse tribes, races, geographical location, religion etc. Let us know this: if you fall sick and you think you cannot be treated in Nigeria, you can be flown first class to any hospital in the whole world and you receive the best care. But if that building decides to cave in, or catches fire, or that aircraft crashes, or that drilling well gives a blast, such disasters does not know if you are the governor or president or minister. If it happens and you are there, you die or get injured like every other person.
Let's decide today to give value to this noble Engineering Profession._
This is me voicing out my own concerns. Hope no one feels abashed.
~Anonymous Writer.

Ok sir
Please are you a civil engineer or a structural engineer
Career / Re: Civil Engineer Earning by Femzi8cul: 7:21pm On Aug 01, 2022
Meto1234:
how much does civil engineer earn in nigeria


They earn a lot if you must know I am one of them and let me tell you if you are a civil engineer all you need is the first big contract, which can enable you to buy like two cars or three is not just about seeing them it also depends on the years of experience,the company and the integrity you have

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Education / Re: Which Should I Choose Between Civil Engineering And Computer Engineering by Femzi8cul: 5:07pm On Jul 31, 2022
Jman06:
Go for civil engineering. When u are done venture into building. We need more professionals to replace the quack bricklayers parading themselves as 'engineers' in nigeria, because we don't have enough suply of professional builders. That ur civil eng guy that said he doesn't have job is not serious
I agree with you nice one

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Education / Re: 20 Of The Best Engineering Courses In Nigeria by Femzi8cul: 4:08pm On Jul 31, 2022
Zeeknow3245:
I go with Software and computer engineering anytime. As for CIVIL once you get a Gig like this ehn...

I don't even understand you
Career / Re: Which Is Better, Pharmacy Or Civil Engineering? by Femzi8cul: 8:02pm On Jul 25, 2022
Hezmatosky:
Study civil engineering na hunger go finish you angry

Do you even know what you are saying bross the career is very lucrative in Nigeria here I am telling you. Don't argue with me on this okay
Career / Re: Which Is Better, Pharmacy Or Civil Engineering? by Femzi8cul: 7:59pm On Jul 25, 2022
Stevyne:
I'm telling you!
A very lucrative and a professional course

I also agree with you I have seen plenty of them that are paying people salaries now

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Education / Re: Courses That Should Be Avoided By Nigerians From Poor Families. by Femzi8cul: 10:57am On Jul 25, 2022
[quote author=Jokerman post=103235071]

Civil engineering is still below mechanical engineering in the pecking order... All your FEA is copied from Mech.. Mechanics... grin[

Do you know what you are saying. Civil engineering is far more better than mechanical engineering for your information

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Career / Re: Pls Advise: Architecture Or Civil Engineering by Femzi8cul: 8:13pm On Jul 24, 2022
Rhea:
Civil engineering...unless you wan make hunger enter you well well

I don't understand
Education / Re: Computer Engineering Vs Civil Engineering by Femzi8cul: 2:36pm On Jul 23, 2022
Wat are you saying so you're actually saying computer engineering is better than civil engineering
Career / Re: Which Is Better, Pharmacy Or Civil Engineering? by Femzi8cul: 5:23pm On Jul 22, 2022
I also agree with you
Education / Re: Civil Engineering Vs Chemical Engineering by Femzi8cul: 5:21pm On Jul 22, 2022
Civil is far far better

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