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Syncan: And here am I, thinking my discussions with you so far has been free of rancor. Now you jump in support of such behaviour and call it righteous

if i talk now u will say i insult u.did shdemidemi called my behaviour righteous or me he called righteous?y don't u understand a statement b4 u talk?read shdemidemi's statement again.

Bidam: I am backing no one here. I am against truth mixed with error which you and flourish are guilty of.

point it out where i mix truth with error.am waiting please.

JesusisLord85: The problem they have is they misinterpret Paul in the first place. Paul was not against the law. Acts 21:20-24 proves that, as many of his writings, it is just they view it through the prism of a gentile.

I am yet to see where it was writte among the prophets that the Messiah would come to, alongside setting people from sin (sin is transgression of the law), but also 'free' them to be lawless.lol it is simply not written.

AMOS 3:7 "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

The church was a group of Jews who follwoed after Christ. Today's church today, despite not obeying the laws of observing the Lords feasts, reckon they are a special people who were never prophesied about. If you are not grafted into the olive tree, then you are not part of the bride. Period.

you hv been told to stop quoting without understanding the complete truth this amos 3:7.the power of god that God will not do anything without it in this age n time is the gospel, not the prophets.why are u spreading half truth?

JesusisLord85: Just like in court, a lying witness will be trapped by his own words. I posted this is another thread. So FlourishG, be warned, lest I expose you also:

am i reading you right?expose me for what?my teachings?okay.lemme start with u now looks like i hv time for u today n let's see who's gone expose who.do u know christians have no business to do with old testament?if u ask me y, then i will tell u but if u don't understand n just lift my statement,then you not patient enough n cannot be a good teacher.i listen to pple n understand them b4 i launch my missile of da word.

shdemidemi: Italo and syncan...please tell us who the guide to believers is, you seem to disagree the scripture should be our guide.

the scripture remains the guide + the Spirit of truth that will guide us.If they hv other answers,let them spilt it out.

JesusisLord85: It's amazing. Moses was in Sinai 40days and got the law. shdemidemi's new gospel comes out of a brief encounter on the road to Damascus.
He reckons a contradicting gospel was given to Paul. Paul told Peter and co this story, and just like that, they parted ways and agreed all was ok. If they suspected he was at odds with them, they would not have backed him.
The modern Christians were not called christians because it was some new religion. It was the fulfilment of a Jewish prophecy. How can that birth a new religion that contradicts the OT? Modern Christianity has questions to answer. This I will get into in a thread no doubt..after Romans

okay,i will try minimise my insult but i can't condole it when pple say they know n yet they talk trash,then i begin to wonder what exactly they know n teaching other.don't be half baked teacher if u want to be one.the old testament religion is very very very very x4 different from the new.hv you noticed i don't quote scriptures often religiously but whatever i said is in da word.i will always give scriptures when needed.

JesusisLord85: I'm chuckling today. You are showing signs of panic. Just exposing you day by day. Be there picking our quotes. Why don't you tear out the old testament. By the way, have you seen Hebrews 9:16-17:

"For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth".

So you can tear our the 4 gospels, Matthew, mark, Luke and John.... and then, which of your 2 gospels will you be preaching?

Lol I actually have tears from laughter today. You are special.

now we clearly see those who donnot understand what it means to interpret.and then u wanna teach others?da pple who interpret the word perfectly donnot tear out anything.they only align with the progressive revelation of God.what is the purpose of the new testament if God still wants u dwell on da old testament or covenant?i nneed an answer pls?

italo: And Paul says "all scripture (old testament)...is profitable" NOT "sufficient."

Where did he get the teaching that the book is his guide to Christian teaching?

see how u pple add to da word?it just says all scriptures, it never amplified it by adding "old testament" what da heck is wrong wif u pple?is this what u spread n teach?

JesusisLord85: You and shdemidemi are preaching different messages, so please tell me how you are holding hands.

what is d different message i'm preaching n what different message shdemidemi n i are preaching?you're called to explain certain things.is that too much for u to explain in simple language.what hv u said so far concerning the op?NOTHING!

JesusisLord85: You are interpreting 2 Timothy 3:16 as saying:

'Paul's letter is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete...'
And, at the same time, your interpretation of Paul contradicts the very scripture Paul was actually referring to. Sigh

where did shdemidemi said the above?you liars or u insinuating that?have u not read before it was written,you are a living epistle?

JesusisLord85: Just so you know, in those days, Paul's letter was a letter only. By 'scripture', he means the old testament. In other words, the law and the prophets.

did i read u clearly?what bible verse do u hv to support your claim that all scriptures meant was d old testament?and i will then show u God is gone beyond the old into the new by da death n resurrection of christ.is this what u teach people n spread?

shdemidemi: ^^^ what are you insinuating, Peter said some things Paul taught were hard to understand. Does that in anyway say individuals cannot understand them if they study?

donnot mind these people.they think high of themselves.they themselves have not tested what they know.

Syncan: Compare the above with this part from scripture and see how wrong you are:

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction"2Pet3:16

I guess you kept mute after my earlier response, following your rudeness, because you had nothing to say. I accept the silent apology anyway.

you know d problem with you?PRIDE!and nobody wants to listen to others n learn.first,as shdemidemi said, does that mean others can not understand more that we now hv the complete scriptures.at the time peter made da above statement,it was still a progressive revelation of God so it might be hard(some things though, not all as in all scriptures).nothing is hard to understand now that we hv da complete revelation n information in scriptures.that's how u half baked people go about spreading half truth n say u know something.when i say something now u will say am insulting u.the fact is,it is the truth that hits u not me insulting u.

italo: Yes. Because what you are doing is using your private interpretaion of one verse to compare to your private interpretation of another verse and coming to your private conclusions.

Is that not so?

that's wrong of u.scriptures don't speak in tongues but in clear n understandable languages.what it says is what is meant.

italo: Each individual or group interpreting scripture the way they like.

What do you think about it?

okay.All scriptures, dats is each verse by verse is given by inspiration of God n it is profitable for DOCTRINE,CORRECTIONS etc.dat is I can use one verse of scripture to teach a doctrine but it must not contradict another scripture.every verse then speaks for itself without going against d other.will u still call that a private interpretation according to yr definition of private interpretation?

Syncan: I guess you already got your answer here

I asked u a question n some else answered.is dat also your own answer to da question or u can't think for yourself?

Syncan: Exactly why private interpretation is wrong. From all indication, the above is not happening. Yet there was a time when it was. When the Church was on top of things, giving interpretations to the word of God and mysteries revealed by the Holy spirit as promised.A time when every one respected the decision of the "elders" in council.

what's private interpretation?

JesusisLord85: Flourish you talk like a young boy. The devil knows the scriptures of course. Did you not read his conversation with Jesus when Jesus went into the wilderness 40days and nights. Heck, even some athiests know scripture - yes, they often twist it, but they know the content.

when u say devil knows scripture what does dat mean?does it mean quoting scriptures?anybody can quote bible but everyone who quote bible know d word?again attend to d purpose of dis thread or leave cos as far as dis thread is concerned,u just talking n hv not said anything on d purpose da topic was started.u r wasting pple time.

JesusisLord85: The devil knows the scriptures better than you or I. Does that make him a ambassador of truth? No. He goes to a fro seeking whom he may devour, I believe you are walking after him, whether you are aware of it or not.

what nonsense is this?which devil knows scripture more than those who know da word?speak for yaself okay if u lazy on d word n d devil knows scripture more than u.d fact dat devil quote scriptures doesn't make him 'know" scriptures for had he 'known" he known he wouldn't hv crucify da lord of glory.you are called on dis thread to do exegesis n yet 3 pages n haven't said nothing n u keep ranting on u doing study in Galatians nonsense.are u d first to do Galatians?what do u want pple who hv study Galatians b4 u to say if u keep ranting on Galatians like dat?u better vacate this thread if u hv nothing to say as per this thread or I show u da way out.nonsense!u think u can b wasting pple time here saying nothing?

where u c religion u c legalism n legalist in action.u c bondage,ruless n thou shall not,u c dos n don'ts.it's unto liberty Christ has called us only we don't use our liberty to serve d flesh.perfect article brother.keep d liberation work going.

Bidam: This scripture explains it clearly:

Gal 1:14And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. 15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
What my statement is saying is that for Paul to have studied under gamaliel and the training and processes he went through in judaism wasn't a waste.It was God that was still at work in him to fulfill his destiny.

your first statement suggests that for Paul to understand God revelation,studying d law of Moses was a requirement.dats y I asked u to explain.but reverse is d case,it was because Paul already knew d mosaic that y he could tear it down by d revelation of d very one the law points to,dats Christ.

Image123: so where you fellowship, there are no sinners there? i guess you have no idea what fellowship means. Someone who doesn't know if he has eternal life is talking of brotherly love. Indeed,

I thought u re doing da book Romans.who is a sinner?a christian?

Bidam: Very interesting points you raised here@jesusislord. Paul actually studied the Law for him to have a proper understanding of what the revealed mind of God is concerning Christ,his depths can always be misunderstood by shallow spiritual people who do not read the OT from a reference point.

explain d meaning of yr statement please that Paul studied d law for him to understand what God revealed mind.does he hv to go back n study d law to understand the revelation or he already knows d law n so understands d revelation by d law he already know?

JesusisLord85,y will u leave?u hv shown u can't contend what u teach when subject to the sound teachings.u are d one diluting d mosaic teachings with d gospel.that covenant n teachings are for da Jews n its been cancelled for a new covenant by da blood of Christ on da cross.

JesusisLord85,you should still be in bible study class.you want to teach others but u don't know da difference btw living Word n the word in thy mouth as u quoted Deuteronomy n you claiming u know d mosaic teachings.it's shameful mehn.

I will go thru d thread n contribute later.blessed u

JesusisLord85,you keep dodging questions.I asked if u not advocating keeping d laws of Moses, which of them do u still keep?you don't even understand your own covenant (new) with God n better things in it n yet u trynna keep da old covenant between God n da Jews not with da church.I told u da new covenant is completely different from d old.have u find why the new if the old was better n what's d need for d new?

JesusisLord85: You use the same scriptures as those with Hebraic mindset, but you use them the wrong way. The prophets say he will write His law in their hearts. Don't see anything about doing away. And Amos tells you, God does nothing, unless he reveals it to his holy prophets first. If you are a prophet, let me know.

u are living in the old my friend.that was old covenant that god does nothing except he reveal to his prophet. under the new(the new is entirely different from the old, if u want me show u clear scriptures i will show that the new is not according to the old)under the new, the gospel is the power of God.God is powerless n can do nothing unless he uses the gospel. u know that?

JesusisLord85: I am not a teacher of the law. I am a student of the word of God like the rest of us.
Look at that, two people walking hand in hand, and they are not even in agreement in doctrine. One says you are eternally saved, and there are two gospels. The other says there is one gospel and the law is done away with for all. The lawless will always band together though, to fight they which remain steadfast.

you are not a teacher of the law n yet u advocate the keeping of mosaic law, then what are u?or u don't know those who are called teachers of the law?if you are not teachers of the law of moses, then tell me what part of mosaic law u still keep today?i wanna know please.

JesusisLord85: Ok, just so I am not putting you in the wrong category, you are saying nobody who accepts Christ needs to observe the law. Your friend here says Jews should, but everyone else need not. He also teaches eternal salvation, so I wonder what he thinks will happen to Jews who don't keep the law...all confusing.

But anyway, if you read my introduction in my Galatians thread (I am just writing Cahpter 4 study now), you will see that Paul refers to those who depend on the law. The Jews came and told the people that in addition to believing in Christ, they also needed to follow their teachings to be saved. Paul says the blood of Christ is sufficient. Does that make the law null and void? God forbid.
The Law demanded blood for transgression. Sin is the transgression of the law. Christ died so that you are free from the curse of the law, which is death.
E.g. if woman caught in adultery, by the ordinance of the law, she is to be stoned. But now, nobody has the right to do that because Christ died for her sin. Does that mean she is free to engage in adultery? Your friend would probably say yes. But I know better. Anyway, let me finish this chap 4. Enough distractions

Shalom

you know your problem?i will tell u.the laws of moses n ten commandment are the 'constitution' of the jewish nation if u like.when the ten commandment resufarced in the new testament it is like God is giving a new constition to the church(jew n gentiles inclusive).it's like when nigeria amend a constitution n they added from the old to the new.that means the good part of the old is not ratified into the new but not given by moses.therefore, thou shall not commit adultery under d new does not mean when a christian does it he will be stoned to death like under the law but it is still thou shall not commit adultery.it is no longer the rules set down that don't make christians not to commit adultery but the spirit of christ that tells christians adultery is not good for them.that's why paul wrote, being led by the spirit is freedom from the law and against such there's no law.

JesusisLord85: Flourish, are you a woman?

i am a male. i will answer yr question above follow after.

JesusisLord85: Another babbler. Have you ever seen a shadow without a body?

no, i haven't seen a shadow without a body.This statement itself u just made shows u can't teach the law as you don't know the law of moses.if christ is the body to the shadow of the law, what business u have wit the shadow now that u have the body, which is christ?were u not told to look unto Jesus?Is Christ no better than moses as said in hebrews?did u receieve the holy spirit by keeping the moses regulations n laws?

shdemidemi: The brother is in a tough religion. He is got shackles all over him. Well, we have liberty in true Christianity. We’re not under a set of rules and regulations that you can’t work on the seventh day or you can’t work on Sunday, or you can’t do this, and you must do that. Because Grace doesn’t demand that! Grace is Liberty! But I also follow that up with what? Grace is NOT license!

We still have guidelines that keep us within the behavior system of what God wants a Christian to be. I usually use the two concepts of love: love for the Lord Himself on one side and love for our fellow man on the other side. Those become two guidelines that fence in our liberty. But they’re not restrictive. They’re not boxing us in. It’s so easy to comprehend. How am I going to go out and get drunk on Saturday night when I know that is not going to be pleasing to the love of the Lord who bought me? Do you see what I mean? On the other hand, I’m not going to go cheating on my wife. Because if I love her, how can I? So those two guidelines become, yes, a restriction of sort, but it so free. And such liberty that we never have to feel like we’ve been pressed down and shackled. Now that’s what it means to be free and in liberty.

God bless brother. This is perfect. Grace is liberty and not a license. This Judiazers are completetly lost and make void d cross.They still define christian virtues by the law.They don't even know the law n what the law says.Mostly, pple that tears down d mosaic are those that know n understands d law.That's y i don't quote verses to discuss with them, i engage them in deep mosaic teachings n open them up to the finished works of d cross.