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Y pple like to talk what them eyes didn't see in them corrupt mind?the man could be chanting his rosary.y da heck corrupt mind think what them eyes never see under da clothes?

holypower: what we wear, whatever that is done in the body matters once it is the temple of the Holy Spirit

you talking but saying nothing.yes da body is temple of holy spirit.no dispute.show verses in da new covenant where wearing trouser is sin dats all.or don't u know da old is different from da new n dat christianity is different from Judaism?

Shdemidemi. I agree with u on Romans 4:1.am just learning dat aspect dat not only Paul was speaking in da book but I know da book was written to both Jews n gentiles establishing doctrines of God for the church of God(Jews n gentiles).I agree that da Abraham our father according to the flesh is always referring to the Jews.I would say Paul was asking or countering a popular questions in their heart or balancing d loopholes in his teaching or letters.if am writing a letter,how possible is it that my audiences are still talking IN MY LETTER TO THEM except am missing something somewhere.

Mr Bidam.I will reply fully to u.okay.but before I reply u fully,let me destroy this yr argument of still keeping da laws of Moses.

Do u know dat acts of apostle is a TRANSITIONAL book?

Do you know that God who gave d law to Moses for Israel knows better how to bring d law to an end n terminate dat contract n that's what God did thru d death of Christ.this is what da apostle teaches in Romans 7:1-6.

Now,read Romans 7:1-6 n tell me what u understand teaching da spiritual doctrine of God there.this da verse dat destroy da whole argument of obeying da law or not or been under da law or not.please teach us what that verse is saying in da spiritual context n please look n read carefully before u teach us because yr whole argument comes to an end here if u don't understand da spiritual truth taught in these verses.waiting please!

shdemidemi: @ flourishg, I am ready when you are

okay brother.where do we begin?from the op or somewhere else?start it up n i will follow up whenever i come online.

Image123: ^
i'll not indulge you.
Proverbs 9:12 If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.

i knew u were gonna come up wif religious verse.i knew it.u still think u can get wisdom by reading solomon or proverbs?know ye not that greater than solomon is your lord n saviour?get out of religion mehn!

still following this thread because only by this book will many be delivered to serve christ alone.where art thou da OP?

Image123: you are unteachable. Its obvious considering that you learnt nothing from deeper life and apostolic faith who are better teachers than me.

how can u who is of the law,legalism and religion of bondage teach a man of grace?know ye not that one is of the flesh n the other is of the Spirit?as long as u still know n consider christ acccording to d flesh,you can't teach christ according to the Spirit.think about that!

shdemidemi: @flourish g
Ok, we can discuss on the Romans thread about the things you disagree with.

okay brother.every verse in romans(context or no context) is doctrinal basis.do u agree with that?

Image123: a true sheep will never murmur, neither will a good soldier. We have known fora while now that you are none of this. Leave the deeper life sheep to their shepherds.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

unfortunately,da the bible verse u quoted is for u as far as i know.only them hypocrites call evil good just because it is done by them leadership?

Image123: Fortunate for bible students, the cry of dissenting multitude is known as murmuring, a grievous sin. It is not God's voice but the likes of frosb's frustrated rantings.
Philippians 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

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do u see how confused u are,not understanding da word?it's important to rightly divide da word of truth.what da heck is your headache when religious practices are exposed?tell me,i wanna know please.why do u like to bend bible verse to hide unscriptural practices in them deeperlife?

frosbel: "And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?" - Exodus 15:24

You keep exposing your shallowness in the understanding of scripture.

They murmured for water.

Besides, exposing the unfruitful deeds of darkness is not murmuring , it is fighting the good fight of faith.

alexleo: One thing is to preach, another thing is for God to be in support of what you are preaching. If you preach and at the end it turns out that God does not support your teaching, then you will be of all men most miserable(God forbid). Bible is a wonderful book and everybody is interpreting it the way he or she likes or understands but at the judgment throne, it is the interpretation that conforms with God's interpretation that matters. Dont sound as if you know it all and you have the perfect interpretation. God help us all. Amen.

brother,u a good man.i can see that.my concern is,the new covenant is completely different and totally different from the old which is the religion of judaism.there's not one single verse 'under the new covenant' that says wear this don't wear that.all we have is moderation.many christian trynna mix judaism with christianity n that's where i hv problem with them judaizers n legalistic teachers.i don't like quoting bible verse but if demanded n needed, i will.teach them christians to understand their new n better covenant rather than trynna understand the old,judaism and religion of da jewish sysyetem n u will see folks flow in da grace n life of christ.does the making rules n law means pple will stop sinning?when there's no law,there will be nothing to break n therefore,when there is no law to break, you cannot have anyone to be called a sinner because sin is the breaking of law,remove law,then you remove sinning.that's apostolic doctrine right there!

shdemidemi: ^^^^ nice post flourishg

@ OP


What exactly is the message of the cross?

i love to have conversation with you on most topics.you carry the message of the new covenant i have read so far but not that i agree with all things u say.somethings u right but you probably didn't use the right word to communicate but because i understand i the new covenant also,i can relate well to what u saying most time.the most important thing to me is to kill judaism n legalistism within christianity.

back to your question,we can wait for the op to answer but we can also make a lot of messages on the messages of the cross.....all in the book of romans.the cross is the first the killer and what does it kill?the cross is the divider of the old n d new covenant.the cross is the curse lifting power of God n it offends judaizers because judaizers still teach that christians are under the cuurse of the law but christ crucified n cross cursed,therefore,there's a divine exchange of curse for blessings.that's y no conddemnation and all blessings to those u in christ.we can go on n on.all powerful,the cross of christ is what set us free from the bondage of the law so we can bring forth fruit on newness of life.more also,the last seven statements of christ on the cross are the messages of the cross,paul explains each of them 7 statements(messages)to the church but the jews that killed jesus never understood what he was saying,they were busy scourging n laughing at him,that's y the message of the cross offends the jews n foolishness to gentiles.

^great article.d bible doesn't speak in tongues but in plain n understandable languages.u will always find pple who will bend d word to suit there man made teachings.

everything i see on this forum is pple that don't understand their rights n privileges in the new covenant which is a better covenant but they all trynna practice the old judaism covenant which not meant for them.it's like you migrate from your home country to a new country and you trynna obey your home country law in your new country.isn't that bullshit?under da new covenant,let one man point out where wearing of trouser is sinful or conddemn or a sin other than dressing moderately?

The message of the cross is what the judaizers n judaism don't like at all.That's what Paul meant when he says, we preach christ and him crucified(on the cross) and that preaching offends the jews(that practice judaism) and to the gentiles,it is foolishness.The power of the cross in more than a being hung on a tree for the cross is the killer itself.it kills self,it kills sin and d sinner.it kills religion.it kills christ in the flesh n the power of ressurection rose up the christ of the Spirit so we no longer know christ according to the flesh because the cross killed that christ according to the flesh but we not know christ according to the Spirit of life which raise up christ from d dead.we can make a whole doctrine out of the cross,it is all offensive to judaism n judaizer christians who still want to hold to the religion of the old covenant.

soo much ideology and human philosophy in da video.

frosbel: people are dying without Jesus, some can hardly feed their families, others are heartbroken, we have many orphans and widows in our midst, multitudes addicted to all sorts, and you and your Pharisee friends are here talking about dress ?

hypocrites !!

you are a good man.some pple think christianity is advanced judaism with their legalistic rules.even those who don't wear trouser,where is christ in them?the new covenant is completely different from the old religion of rules n legalism under the law but these pple n their preachers don't understand christianity,they mix judaism with christ n make void the cross.shall we therefore continue to dress like a prosti.tutes?God forbid.our new covenant standard is moderation for one man eats n is not condemned n another man doesn't eat n is not condemned also.let not he that doesn't eat condemn the one that eat.there's no condemnation for those who are in christ only when they don;t walk after the flesh,not when they wear or don't wear trouser.keep tearing down all these religion in christianity.God help u by his grace.

holypower: they broke and disobeyed the law of GOD

i assume u joking by da statement else,you should hv received the greatest insult ever but something in me tells me u just joking so i let u be.but yr statement is weird!

^Every trees man had planted in that deeperlife should be torn down.So much judaistic teachings and that's y many of them all still commit secret sins.

Bidam, you talked so much but you said nothing on the subject i raised.Absolutely NOTHING.You need to STUDY the whole apostlic doctrine book, ROMANS to get delivered from yoke of bondage you got yourself into.You can't be a great teacher if you don't understand book of ROMANs.That books carried from Genesis to Revelation put together.I can pick one verse in roman n destroy all your arguements.again,please address what i said

flourishG: do u know the law is part of the old agreement n covenant?and when the old chnages to new,the law also changes.do u know that?

please address the above quote n lets see how far u can do a good job here.

shdemidemi: You have to be able to differentiate the mosaic laws from other laws.

We have natural laws and principles, you need to separate all that from the law of Moses or the law God gave Adam and Eve

Sometimes, the word `law' will simply be used as a fact of everyday living. In other words, we speak of the law of gravity. It's just a fact of our living everyday that what is up is going to fall down. No man can change the law of gravity. It's absolute. We speak of the law of buoyancy. The law of buoyancy is that if you can put something in the water that weighs less than the amount of water it pushes aside, it's going to float. It's a law. It's a fact of life

you are a good teacher.these pple just mix everything together without knowing what is what.the whole mosaic system was torn down by paul thru the revelation of Christ.good work u doing here!

JesusisLord85: Oh ok so now there is a law. So if you absolutely ignore that law as a Christian, and do not repent, what happens?
But I'm glad you are slowly turning over.

why do u always take grace teachers as lawless teachers?there's a law in christ,the LAW OF SPRIRIT OF LIFE is it and it is not mosaic law.why is this thing so hard for u pple to understand?was the law of moses given n written to the christians or to jewish nation?do you keep the whole moses law?

JesusisLord85: I used to listen to charles Stanley and I believed that teaching. It is the reason why you can walk into many churches and see that it is nothing more than a socal club. I was so comfortable in my sin back then.
Then I picked up my bible and started reading in January this year, and the spirit ministered. Praise God for the truth. I am not in bondage like they suggest.If anything, I feel liberated

so it is this year january u started studying?and u know too well to conclude you can then teach others.u see d reason i said u should still be in a bible study class?i never even knew u just started studying this year january when i told you that.

shdemidemi: Do you agree there were secrets hidden from ages that was revealed to the apostles?


Yes No

he cannot honestly answer this straight question because there're lots of scriptures already stirring at him in da face.his case by this question is like jesus n d pharisees.if he says yes,he proves all what he's been saying wrong by amos 3:7 n if he says no,scriptures await him.lord,who will help this guy out?maybe bidam

Bidam: I am busy now. I will reply all your posts later.Thanks.

okay.blessed!

JesusisLord85: I'm glad you quoted that. did you see where it says "that we may do all the words of this law"
Lol. Why do you like the bit you bolded, but ignore then rest?

yes u are right n da was because they still under the law then.that was written to the jews to obey not d church.do u DO ALL the words of the law?

Bidam: The content of the law never changed,it was the old agreement that changed and that was why it was a shadow.

that is one of the statement looks like d ones judaizers make.do u know the law is part of the old agreement n covenant?and when the old chnages to new,the law also changes.do u know that?

shdemidemi: Romans 8

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

What can you deduce from those verses.

you need to stop quoting verses to these pple reason is,the scriptures u quote to them are too full of things their eyes cannot see nor can they understand.u need to start reasoning scriptures with them like paul did with those judaizers in acts of apostles.that's what i learnt from d apostle.start talking (not quoting) scriptures with them.that's one key to destroy these judaizers among christianity.they were problem to the gospel given to paul n they still problem till date.do u decode my message?

Bidam: You said paul said the law was abolished.

that's y when u talking to pple,u need relax,understand.Yes,the law was abolished.so which law was abolished?that's da question because there are kinds of law u know.what law is abolished.can u asswer that please?

JesusisLord85: Although shdemidemi's 2 gospel theory is worse than yours, I think you are in a far worse state. You talk like a child. I almost want to ignore you. The rest of us try and talk scripture, you are talking nonsense.

I told you "All scripture", and you wrote somewhere that doctrine is different from learning.

If Paul said all scripture is good for doctrine, and we know that the only scripture being used then was the OT, how can that only be for "learning" and not doctrine? Laugh out loud.

I will ignore you for a while because you are actually not even correct

what u propagage is religion of the jews and dats what i stand to oppose pple like u.aside that,we cool.the religion of d jews is not permissive in the church age n time.besides,u never responded to what i said but just ranting.i can't switch to my adult mood if u like to discuss with u if u think am talking like a chhild.lemme me tell u,if u pple like u quote bible verse,am not like u n u not me,everybody cannot hv same pattern of operation but i am d very one that talk scriptures,not just quoting it.when i say something n u really know da word,u should be a able to decode what am saying n if u cant,ask for explanation.now leemme correct u for the last time and don't try provoke me to insult u again.here is da correction for u:you been quoting amos 3:7 n saying saying God will do nothing UNLESS or UNTIL he reveals his secret to his servant the prophet.that was true under the old agreement but under the new agreement,what God cannot do without is the gospel because the gospel is the POWER OF GOD...so then God doesn't use his servant the prophet to do everything anymore but the gospel.God is powerless without the gospel.therefore,amos 3:7 becomes a half truth that looks complete but not complete to the pple of old but not to the church.how do i we know n understand this n accept it as complete truth?the answer is hebrews1:1-2,says in PAST God uses n spoke by the prophets n to d fathers but NOW,God speak thru his SOn and the gospel is all about the SOn Jesus.stop spreading half truth!

just one n few verses from scriptures,the catholic baptism will be proved to be wrong.water baptism is only by immersion not sprinkling water on ppple.