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Misunderstood_G: FOLYKAZE....AWESOME, DUDE!! YOU BEING AN ATHEIST, I DON'T NORMALLY AGREE WITH YOU...
BUT THIS..... I AGREE WITH

so because he atheist u don't agree wif him.now because he said something to ya favour,u agree?does it matter u speak dem truth?

LORD,i missed this thread.hmmmmmmm,

shdemidemi: 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

You are right, the Holy Spirit remove the veil.

Are you saying you are yet to turn to The Lord , the bible says when one turn to The Lord the veil is taken away.

i love dem ya systematic delivery!turning to da LORD is da cure and remedy to da veil n bondage of moses.

Bidam: You are mixing the whole story.Jesus told him to go sell all his possessions and come follow him.Jesus was showing him a better way to fulfill the law which is love,still they were still under the law since Christ had not died then.The ritual aspects of the Law, particularly the sacrifices, intimated God’s method of salvation, but salvation itself was never provided by it except as it reflected the sacrifice of Messiah.

u talking about da rich man.am talking abt that man with question of what must I DO....because dem pple of the law are used to DOING something or another.they always doing to get something.christ said u know da commandment...thou shall not....and da man say ALL THESE i hv observed from my youth.he thinks he have done all da law but christ said he lack ONE THING.how u think someone say i obey ALL da law from my youth n d giver of da law says no!you lack one thing?from a to z,no man can do all things in da law,u always break one n break one means breaking all.

Bidam: It's the job of the Holy Spirit to remove the veil not you.I agree that the feast are not required of Christians, and convey no special spiritual benefits.

that's not true brother.the feast all have spiritual meaning to christians.look at it dis way,if all dem feast are fulfilled in christ and christ gave birth to christians,what makes u think d substances fulfilled in christ is not fulfilled in us too?dem feast are not required because dem all been fulfilled in d LORD himself and we are his fruit.

kevoh: Let it go man! This is unnecessary.

what is unnecessary?tell da truth.ever since dem pastor been lying on tithe,how many people being buying jets other than the receivers of tithes?are dem pastors levites?where in da word does God transfered dem tribe of levites to ministry of pastors?don't you know what da law says?it says break one and u guilty of all.

Bidam: But you also fail to see from new testament scriptures that the Mosaic Law in its moral aspects has lost none of its commanding authority. Concerning the feast,If a Christian congregation occasionally reenacts aspects of an Old Testament feast day for the sake of better understanding their old covenant heritage, it would be within the bounds of Christian liberty.

da shortcomings of da law is huge.take one and do all!if gonna keep da sabbath,u gat to stone your rebellious kids also.your got to make animal sacrifices n them da rest.u remember da man that boast to Jesus he had kept the WHOLE law from his youth?what Christ said to him?you lack one thing.you will always be guilty of one thing in keeping da law of moses.christ died to break u loosed from da super glue to da law,now u married to da ressurected Christ.

DrummaBoy: Ok bross. I think I get your drift. With FluorishG and others taking the apology maybe it was Spirit led after all. I apologies for calling this hypocrite.

Cheers.

yes,if the Spirit had led da brother.against such there's no law.He is the son of God.but we will not leave dem our judaizer brothers alone until christ be FORMED in them.

shdemidemi: Gal 4;9
9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.

Col 2

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

this scripture can never be true then if christ never fulfilled all the festivals given to dem da jews.WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME BUT THE SUBSTANCE IN OF CHRIST!C'mon mehn, that's it right there!

Bidam: I am still open to learning concerning the sabbath. Since the bible is clear that there remaineth a sabbath rest for the people of God.I am of the view that sundays meeting was borrowed from the paganistic gentiles worship and introduced into the churches as a day of meetings.

Bidam, okay. i promise to be your fewd if u will listen n go study or search more what someone will say.do you believe everything in the law is a shadow and everything under the law n da prophet is pointing to christ?

In every Feast of Israel, God required animal sacrifices to be given as atonement for sin. This is also true of the Feast of Tabernacles. In fact, the Feast of Tabernacles lasted for eight full days and God commanded blood sacrifices as an atonement for sin on each day. (Numbers 29:12-38)

These sacrifices for sin of course pointed to the atonement that Christ made at his First Coming. This is only one way in which he brought fulfillment to this Feast. There is more symbolized in Tabernacles however than the blood atonement of Christ. This Feast was also called the Feast of Ingathering. It was a time of year when the nation of Israel was to bring in their crops from the field. (Exodus 23:16; 34:22) This too, has spiritual significance for believers now under the New Covenant.

From a Harvest of Crops to a Harvest of Souls.

The harvest of crops that Israel brought in during the Feast of Tabernacles was a shadow or picture of a greater spiritual harvest to come under the New Covenant. The Lord Jesus was the first to step out and labor in this harvest field when he began preaching repentance and about the Kingdom of God. After Jesus had spoken to the woman at the
well, he shared with his disciples about a different kind of harvest. Although his disciples had their minds on physical things, Jesus had his mind on the spiritual. He said to them:

"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Do you not say, 'Four months more and then the harvest'? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even now the reaper draws his wages; even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. Thus the saying 'One sows and another reaps' is true. I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor." (John 4:34-38)

In this passage, Jesus is referring to a harvest or ingathering of souls or people. Just as man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes out of the mouth of God, so the Lord did not live on food alone but his priority and passion was to bring souls to eternal salvation. (Matthew 4:4) As soon as he stepped out into his public ministry, the fields were already ripe for harvest. Many people responded to his message. Today the fields are ripe with harvest as well and like Jesus, we should make sharing the love of God and the Gospel with people a higher priority than earthly things. (Colossians 3:1-3).

So besides the blood atonement, in what other ways did Jesus bring complete fulfillment to the Feast of Tabernacles? To know the answer to this we must read the account of the last time that Jesus kept the Feast of Tabernacles. This account is recorded in John chapter seven. In this chapter we learn about other ways in which Jesus brought further fulfillment to this particular Feast. At first, he told his brothers that he was not going to the Feast, but later went up in secret. (John 7:1-10) Halfway through the Feast of Tabernacles, Jesus went up to the Temple to teach. On the Last Great Day of the Feast, Jesus publicly declared in a loud voice so all could hear:

“Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him." By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.” (John 7:38-39).

Here Jesus was showing how the Feast of Tabernacles is fulfilled in him. Although people could believe in him before he went to the Cross, they could not receive the Spirit until after he died and was resurrected. The Holy Spirit could not actually be poured out until the Day of Pentecost was fulfilled.

The Feast of Tabernacles under the law was not only a shadow of the atonement but also of salvation in Christ. This Feast not only pointed to the time when Christ would come to dwell among men in the flesh, but also when men would literally receive the indwelling of Christ and his Spirit. When one receives Christ, they have been harvested as a saved soul. First we will learn about how Christ came to dwell among men. The Apostle John wrote
concerning this.

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)

In the original Greek, John chooses a word that reveals to us the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles in Christ through his First Coming. Young’s Literal Translation reads:

“And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14).

When Old Testament Israel kept this Feast under the law, they made temporary shelters, (booths, tabernacles) to dwell in. Hence the name Feast of Tabernacles. (Leviticus 23:40-44) Although the Apostles lived during the time that Jesus came to dwell or tabernacle among men in the flesh, there is an even greater spiritual reality that the Feast of
Tabernacles has become for all believers in the Church. This was a shadow of the reality of God coming to dwell or tabernacle in men, a temple not made with hand and bricks and stones - believers are the temple of God.

The Indwelling of Christ

Although Jesus died on the Cross, he was also resurrected in power and glory and now sits at the right hand of the Father. However, before he went to the Cross, he assured his disciples that he would come to dwell or tabernacle in them even though he had to depart. Paul had insight into this great mystery of the indwelling of Christ and wrote to the Church at Colosse:

“I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.” (Colossians 1:25-27).

Paul told the Colossians that he was commissioned by God to present the Word of God in its fullness. How was it possible for Paul to do this? It was because Christ had already brought the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets through the atonement. Now that he had brought the real thing, the word of God could be given in its fullness to believers in the New Covenant WHICH WAS IN PARTS; PIECES AND SHADOWS TO THE ISRAELITES. Since God now dwelled on the inside of believers, they could now also have the ability to receive divine revelation and understanding through the Spirit. (I Corinthians 2:9-13) This mystery of God had been previously hidden in the Old Testament but has now been disclosed to the saints of God. The greatest mystery revealed is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Christ in you.

This is a perfect example of the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles and its reality in our lives today. You and I are living proof that the Feast of Tabernacles has truly already been fulfilled. Not only does Christ dwell or tabernacle in us but so does the precious Holy Spirit and our Father in heaven as well. (John 14:16-17) The Lord confirmed this personally through his word. He prepared his disciples in advance for the coming of the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost and also taught them concerning the indwelling of the Father, Son and Spirit.

Tgirl4real: If the blood of Christ is sufficient, why are you calling it a sin - transgression of the law? Sincerely I don't get.

Aside the places you mentioned in Acts, can u pls provide me with scriptures in the epistles where the believers met on the Sabbath day?

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is wrong to keep the Sabbath. Perdventure, open worship is banned and it becomes almost impossible to met to fellowship as believers, would it be wrong if your church decides to met say on a thursday?

transgression of the law?what law does a christian have?da law of moses?do not pay him no attention!only jews and judaizers will advocate them sabbath not knowing da true meaning.even his brother Bidam will not agree with him on da sabbath thing.

Tgirl4real: kool then.
Stick to urs while I stick with mine.

@ Drummaboy,

Take it easy bro. Let us see the good side of this thread and stick to it. I believe OP acted based on his conviction. I agree we should be specific with things like this cos as believer we should know when we err. But, he may have wronged countless no of people and have lost count. Cut him some slack jare.

why u wearing dark eye glass when u speak?please remove da eye glass, i wanna see ya face!

alexleo: Bros pls, no need to insult anybody o, whether the person insults the cross of Christ as you said or not. When peter tried to cut off someone's ear in defence of Jesus, did Jesus commend him? NO. If you feel the religious people will get back to insulting and abusing after some weeks from now, then you have to be loving enough to pray for them. Even when Jesus knew that Peter will deny him hr still prayed for him that his faith fail not. As a defender of the cross of Christ as you claim, please do what Christ did. Here is it in Luke 33:31-34.

31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”

33 But he replied, “Lord, I am ready to go with you to prison and to death.”

34 Jesus answered, “I tell you, Peter, before the rooster crows today, you will deny three times that you know me.”


And the religious folks you are calling them is it intended to be a bad for them? But here is what the bible talks about being religious in James 1:26-27

Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. 27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.



Nothing bad about being religious bros. God bless you.

bless u bro.i hear u.u good man.

Christ fulfilled the FEAST OF THE TRUMPETS. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. Leviticus 23:24

What does it symbolize and how did Christ the fulfillments? “The trumpet is the revelation or revealing voice of Jesus Christ”. Jesus Christ called the seven churches with His voice of the trumpet.

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. Rev.4v1.

Under the old covenant of the Jewish calendar, The Feast of Trumpets was on the first day of the 7th month (Fall of the Year). They blew the trumpets to call the nation to prepare for the coming Day of Atonement and the Harvest of the Feast of Tabernacles. There were two kinds of trumpets:

1. Ram’s Horns---This was the trumpet of Jubilee. It came from the sacrifice.

2. Silver---There were two silver trumpets (witness, testimony, and covenant), speaking of Christ in the fullness of His body, or again, the Jew and Gentile in one Body (1 Pet. 1:14-20; Eph. 2: 14-15). The silver speaks of redemption and is blown by the redeemed. It is blown by the priest (believer). There were several purposes for the blowing of the trumpets (Num. 10: 1-10):


The calling of the Assembly—10:2: “Make two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shall you make them; that you may use them for the calling of the assembly; and for the journeyings of the camps.” The tribes were gathered together as one nation. The church is gathered as One in the Lord Jesus. This is the principle of Unity.

Eph. 1:10: “That in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in Him.

Eph. 4:13: “Till we come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.”


The Journeyings of the Camps: When the cloud moved, the trumpets sounded, and the people were to move with God. God is moving the Church from Pentecost to Tabernacles.

Hebrews 6:1: “Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on to perfection (MATURITY); not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do, if God permit.”


The Calling of the Princes: 10:4: “If they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves to you.” This was for the leadership of the nation only one trumpet was blown. God is calling the leaders of the church together that He might speak to them.

JesusisLord85: So shdemidemi, you also reckon Jesus fulfilled all 7 feasts already? Even your typical lawless man does not follow this. Your friend here speaks like a child, I would advise he sends his messages to you for editing before disgracing himself on the world wide web.

because u dont know doesn't mean another man is as ignorant as you.am writing how Christ fully fulfilled those feast.y not cool yaself down n learn.talkative like u knows nothing.u talk too much mehn.

Bidam: Thanks for making me see what Paul was saying in a new light.That is to say he agrees with the teachings of the other apostles as some would have us believe otherwise.On the issue of tithing we need to discuss it on another thread bro..

you will never let go this ya tithe fraud?let my people go saith da Lord

Alwaystrue: Now you have said all that, I hope it makes you feel better.

Atleast you are yet to show me where I insulted you even though you insulted me om this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/1317797/truth-us/1#up

An objective eye will see the kind of person you are and know why I had to refrain from responding anymore to you. May be you will tell us how the grace you believe in gives you liberty to insult people anyhow.

Bidam: childish rants..You still have not grown have you?

y'all religious folks apologizing one to another.what da need when u still gone insult n abuse n call names by style?I give y'all few weeks n months,y'all gonna b back calling names n insulting each other.let's wait n see.

As for me not growing up,I will keep insulting whoever insult the cross of Christ n what he done for us all.

shdemidemi: ^^^^Please pray for jesusislord instead so the eyes of his mind can be opened to these things that have been freely given unto believers.

I will pray for him n upon exposing him n dem satanic teachings that Christ have not fulfill those 3 feast, I will then pray openly for him.

JesusisLord85: I'm quite sad for you.
1. Feast of Passover:
Leviticus 23:5 "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the Lord’s Passover"
1 Corinthians 5:7 " Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us".
Christ was the sacrificial lamb. His blood is sufficient.

2. Feast of Unleavened Bread:
Leviticus 23:6 "And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread".
This feast points to the Jesus' sinless life (as leaven is a picture of sin in the Bible), making Him the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Note, this is one day after the Passover.

3. Feast of First Fruits:
1 Corinthians 15:20 "But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep".
Jesus was resurrected on this day, 3 days after Passover, hence he was raised on the third day.

4. Pentecost:
Leviticus 23:16 "You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath. Then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the Lord".
Christians believe the Church was established on this day when God poured out His Holy Spirit (as prophesied in Joel 2:28), and 3000 Jews responded to Peter's sermon.

The three fall feasts, so-called because they take place in the autumn months, have not been fulfilled. They are:

The Feast of Trumpets - first day of the seventh month
The Day of Atonement - tenth day of the seventh month
Feast of Tabernacles - fifteenth day of the seventh month

These three point to Christ's second coming. So how you think Christ has fulfilled them all is absurd. Joker

I will expose this ya satanic teachings that adds to what already done.give me some time.you just said Christ is coming to fulfill these three feast,LIAR YOU ARE.

Alwaystrue: Thanks for the observation. Kindly show me where my actions showed hate. If I remember corectly, there was a thread you practically insulted me and even defending your insults when I pointed it out. Did I insult you back? Please show me where I did so?

holier than thou attitude still.u know I don't tolerate nonsense.you can't dare insult or be rude to me n don't hv it back.you rude to many others n show hatred in disguise.you know it, a Mata of da heart.REPENT from being a masquerade.

Alwaystrue: @alexleo,
Commendable effort. Let's continually pass the message with love and not insults, abuse, name-calling and scorn. I hope we and others check ourselves daily and seek to improve in humility.

You too are guilty of this things but u advocate da law keeping.u know love is fulfillment of da law n u break da law because u don't love da brethren by ya actions here.can u now see y'all can't keep da law u preach because y'all will always lack one thing or da other when y'all trynna keep da law.

JesusisLord85: Problem with you and your crowd is you don't even know what Paul means by "shadow".
The Jews kept the feast of Pentecost for few thousand years before it came to pass. Now, before it came to pass, it was a shadow of what was to come. After it was fulfilled, they kept it.
Interestingly, the church remembers Pentecost, and yet, everything else is a 'shadow'. Jokers

The Israelites and those that lived among them were told to keep the sabbath and feast days "for all time to come". What do you not understand by that?
The feast of Leviticus 23 are prophetic. Christ did not fulfil all. The 3 feasts remain, and they pertain to the second coming.

Shalom

you also a type n shadow of serpent in da garden,deceiving yasef n deceiving dem some pple.show me one feast in dem leviticus n I show u how Christ fulfilled them.LIAR!

JesusisLord85: any lie there?

yes u lie unto da word.Sabbath is a shadow of God's rest not a religious day as u assume.

Pygru: @ bolded,
that's what I said na, no?

yes u said it but y turn around n say some are true?what if what u say it's true contradict da word?meaning u still picking out some n leaving out some,u hv to avoid ALL COMPLETELY.again go tell dis message to ya brother oladegbu or u hypocrite.he needs dis message more than anyone else.

JesusisLord85: The Sabbath day was, and is on the 7th day. Starting sundown Friday and ending sundown Saturday.
Paul and his contemporaries kept the Sabbath. Most of Christianity today does not. Working on Sunday is fine.

watch ya mouth my judaizer fewd

hynex79: sowing of seed/claiming of blessings/prophecies with money during preaching....

there're so many herbalists in da church today masquerading as moG.u speaking on money for what?are u in a shrine?grace through Christ have given u everything u need for life n godliness.

JesusisLord85: lmao!!! Oh the ignorance!
I ignored Goshen because of his blasphemy and heresy. You, my friend, are just plain ignorant, so it would be unfair to him if I paid you any attention

u can't ignore me cos I tell y'all da truth.it hurts.aren't dem u Jews a murderer?didn't y'all killed n crucified Christ?y'all love thief n spared barabas instead of a righteous king?tell me am lying?

Pygru: hey, take note of the bolded in my post below

STOP DA HYPOCRISY N DOUBLE STANDARD! You said da bible is complete.so the only way to avoid which one is true n which one is false is AVOID DEM REVELATIONS COMPLETELY N HOLD TO DA BIBLE DAT IS COMPLETE.stop picking dem ones of revelations dat suite u n discard d others.

^ Y'all Jews don't believe christ is da coming messiah n u killed him.da devil working thru u dem Jews to kill Christ because y'all don't know he will raise n bring forth da church.so when Christ crucified,dem u Jews are offended because da same Christ u say u preach is he u killed.y'all MURDERERS!

Pygru: If you are a christain and you want to stay focused, I'll advice you to stop reading or watching all those revelations of heaven and hell.
E.g Jesus Christ warnings to Churches in Nigeria - Linda Ngaujah,
Michael Thomas-Sambo Divine Revelation Of Hell etc.

Avoid those revelations!
Some are genuine, but 'how we go take know which one be fake and which one be real' ?

The Bible is complete!

Most of those revelations are false, demonic and meant to cause confusion and discouragement.


Note: I believe heaven and hell exist!

But your friend Oladegbu is da pioneer n dem frontrunner n chief promoter of da dem false revelation.you should help him by taking dis message to him but yr hypocrisy will not let u call him out on dis matter.your brother oladegbu doesn't accept da bible complete so he zealously promote da heaven n hell false revelation.go take dis message to yr Broda n u will do well helping him.

^ You good man.them new age teaches God will transfer wealth of d sinners n ungodly to da righteous but forget Christians are to work with dem hands so they can give to others in needs n provide for them families.