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OLAADEGBU: The mentor of the blind mice finally crawls out of the woodwork to give his cohorts moral support.

what in da world is da meaning of the statement above?is yr own mentor with PhD u always copy his article not also blind,mentoring mouse like u?da judaizer spirit must b active in ya veins.

Bidam: the law of moses and the commandments are different.Go back and read it again..the bible even differentiated them.

are u a Jew by birth?y are u advancing in Judaism like Saul of Tartus?

JesusisLord85: So let me get this right. "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man". You are saying I am righteous, because I do not do those things by which the law spoke against.

i like to show u systematically the revelation of the kingdom.there was a man who came to Jesus and said master who shall i do to inherit the kingdom of God?the Lord said you know the law (y?because he was still under the law,Galatians4:4 and not died to fulfill the law n set us free from d bondage of the law so that we can be united n function in Spirit to the life giving man,christ the risen lord romans7:1-10) go n keep the law, thou shall not commit adultery, etc Jesus telling the man to keep d ten commandments and this man said 'all' he had kept from his childhood,Mark 10:17-22.If the law,the keeping of the 10 commandments can justify or give eternal life, this man kept 'all' from his childhood and the Lord said he still lack one thing meaning he thought he kept all but he broke all since he broke one,making money his god.what is paul saying?the man who is righteous is not a righteos man by keeping the law or the ten commandments but the man who is rightoes by christ and faith in the cross of christ.Romans 3:22.when one obtain a righteousness of Christ by believe like Abraham but believing in christ and what he had done for us, God calls that man a rigteous man, not by the works of d law but by simple faith in Christ n d cross of christ.that is d righteous man that the law is not meant for because that man in righteous in christ by believing not by doing d law.

JesusisLord85: By that line of reasoning, I am being justified by the law itself. I won't say I understand fully what he meant by that, but I don't believe he is saying that the law is for those who sin only. But rather, sinners will suffer the judgement of the law, i.e. death.
Verse 7-8: "Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully"

truly you don't understand what he saying.its either white or black.it cannot be both n cannot mean both.123 is numneric n abc is alaphetc abc123 is then alphanumeric.yes, the law is good n holy paul says but these law brings the knowledge of sin.Romans 3:20.it tells u u are a sinner and condemns u to death but christ gives u life n grace to sin no more.u said u don't believe d law is for those who sin alone but its clearly stated there.it says:9We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.when u don't do those things, it is not the law u are obeying but the spirit of god in u that tells u it is not good because u have gain d knowledge that those things are sin by the law so now, when u don;t do it,u obey the d holy spirit,to u, the law had come to an end because u are in christ and being led by the spirit of god.you can't be led by the spirit of god n be led by the law,you only get the know dat adultery is sin because d law says so.thats what it means that those who hv come to in christ, the law is null n void n had ended but the spirit is alive.galatians3:24-25 & Galatians5:18 pls read galatians5:18 n galatians3:24-25 from many translations.u will understand.before the spirit of god was given to u,d law leads u n guides u telling u what is good n wrong but when christ diesd n d life giving spirit was given u,it replaced d law n leading u,galatians5:18.so u gain d knowldege of adultery by d law but u don;t commit adultery by the leading n guidance of the spirit of life in u.

JesusisLord85: But rather, sinners will suffer the judgement of the law, i.e. death.
Verse 7-8: "Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully"

only d jews will be judged by d law cos they are d ones that are given d law.romans2:12.please study the whole of romans chpt 1-2.both jews n gentiles will be judged by the gospel paul preached by christ.the standard to judge jews will b d law n d standard to judge gentiles will be d gos[epl.

JesusisLord85: Romans 2:13 says "For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified"
So those who follow the law are just before God".

the apostle wrote the book of romans ot both jews n gentiles.the verse u recite is talking to the jews who hold dearly to d law n was saying the law is what makes them special than others but they don't do what d law says and don't follow d law just pridin g in d law so d apostle tell them 'not the hearer of the law are just before god but doers of the law.the law at that time is the word of god that was given to them to lead n guide then but after god chnaged from leading by the law to leading by the spirit,this is d way of faith.

striktlymi: Sorry Flou,

I don't mean to be rude but you have been on about having fun and addressing some ish on this thread but you haven't said anything.

sorry sir,I will say good things.take it slow n easy.I will say d gospel.

JesusisLord85: Ok, I don't do those things any longer. Not to say I am perfect and do not sin. So I observe the ten commandments.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength, the word says. As a teenager, I wondered how one could know they are doing this. But Jesus made that clear. John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

okay.you don't do all of those.then d word of God say the law of thou shall not is not meant for u but for those who do those things.1timothy1:3-11.let's see if u agree with this first n we continue.

^I love your thought n reasoning of d word.we will have much fun teaching n enjoying fellowship here.I will address yr 2 concerns but b4 I do, a question for u.don't take my question personal but is just hypothesis.the question is, do you commit adultery if u married?do you kill or murder or hate pple?do u not honour yr parents?etc.that's do u do anything d ten commandments says u shld not do?when u answer I will then followup n talk about the two issues of concerns.bless u.

Alwaystrue: @JesusisLord85,
Your topic is quite revealing. What are these laws of Moses you mentioned? @Cescky made some valid points though. The laws of Moses did show some ways to display the law of God.
Also did you take time to study the 10 commandments God gave the Israelites directly on Mount Sinai in Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 4:12. One thing I personally noticed there is that God did not go through Moses to give those commandments to the Israelites....He gave it to them with His own voice directly. This was what Jesus Christ said was all encapsulated in two commands which are love God and your neighbour.
Could you let us discuss this.

thank God u here.u gonna hear great things here.maybe that will help u leave Judaism behind.first u need to tell us as I hv clearly stated Christians are not n must not obey d laws of Moses.tell us your stand,must christians obey d laws of moses or not so we can clearly understand u.thank u.I will b gentle with u here n u b my frd at d end.

JesusisLord85: May I ask what exactly is the law of Christ? Because, as I understand it, everything Jesus and Paul taught was from he old testament. NT was not written then. This is one topic I find difficult to crack. But shall get there by God's grace.

good question. Christ have only one law for his body which he is d head,the church.it is called the law of the spirit of life.I will tell u how it works n what it is as we progress.what Christ summarized into love is d ten commandment.we going to hv great time on this thread I promise u.

Bible agrees from genesis to revelation.it is men like u n I dat disagrees.

ACITYOFTRUTH: The ability of the tithe to work is in your taking your eyes from it and focus on get perfection with God in christ u can't receive witout perfection d amount of believe in christ Rom 10:4

tithe does not work nothing,perfection or not.God is too big for such demand.God gives to every man liberally without conditions.I hv seen pple that thinks they perfect paying tithe n still poor.God does everything for pple who don't tithe but still rich n blessed,y shld christians b different?

I know empty barrels makes d loudest noise.I hv not even fighting u with bible verses yet n u gone?who u to say I delete or modify my words?I say what I needed to say.you offended?I know pple like u in d other forums I discuss with,they know nothing abt d law they imposing on christians n d word of God is truth to da fact.d word says those who want to live by d law,do u 'know' what d law says?u dont know d law if u do u will not advance in law keepers n Judaism.I have u a test to tell categories of law u don't know.I gave u to explain Christ is d end of d law u stressing emphasis on 'for'.what is da meaning of that?don't u know there's two kinds of righteousness?what righteousness is that verse talking?the same verse tells it,to them that 'believes'.so its righteousness by faith not by keeping d law,2 type of righteousness.go and read da verse from many translators u will understand y I asked da meaning of Christ is d end of d law.I said I still show little respect because u a lady.if u a man I know how to discuss wif u.it is because u lady dats y I still show little respect for u.I don't quote verse like religion does,when u want to talk I talk n everything I say is in da word.if u know d word I don't hv to quote for u.

Great post.I love discuss law of moses n christianity because I hv been a teacher of d law all my christian life.thank God for freedom in Christ.there are judaizer christians everywhere n as u start topic now,thy angry.I was discussing with one of them on another thread but she knows nothing about d law of moses she teaching.these judaizers who say christians to obey Moses law n same keep Christ law are enemies of d cross n dats y I fight them mercilessly.christians don't hv to obey Moses law but Christ law.

OLAADEGBU: Your reference is a case study of how the wrath of the Law brought this woman to the feet of Jesus Christ our Saviour. You are right by saying that the Law condemns, that's its function. The Law reveals to the sinner that they are already condemned see John 3:18. The function of the Law is to show the sinner their danger and desperate need for the Saviour. The Law's part in transformation is to make you to be aware of your sin and of your need for divine forgiveness and redemption (Acts 28:23). Simples

now u are talking bible n i hope u can say this to that lady teaching jargons about the law,her id is alwaystrue.if someone says she is alwaystrue it meants such person claims infalabiblity n whatever she says is alwaystrue, dats nonsense n madness to say.how is she so sure what she says is alwaystrue?can u relate what am tryingto say?.she want to teach d law but she knows nothing about what the law says yet she claims to be always true as teacher of d law,1timothy 1:7 stand in her face.i dare her to enter into d law teachings proper n let see if she knows d law she shouting about.

all u have said is the truth and that's what u shld be teaching.after the law condemns me but grace saves me,why shld i still go back to the law?to get more condemnation so i can be stoned to death or what?the law could not save me from my sins but grace did and told me to go and sin no more what then am i still doing with d law?i need u to lecture me on d necessity of going back to d law.is it to retain my salvation which i cant be saved by d law in d first place?let me flip d other side of d coin.do u know as a christian if i dont kill,steal,hate etc, i don't need the law?what is d meaning of d verse dat says christ is d 'end' of the law and what law is da verse talking?law of God or law of faith or law of moses or law of christ,which one?

Alwaystrue: It looks like you know the categories of laws that exist. Since I told you it is the Law of God (all summed up in love) in my prior posts but you refused to see that yet you have categorised the laws, please tell us these categories of laws and what makes them different. I am sure I said nothing about mosaic laws.
The 10 commandments were not mosaic laws, they were given directly by God to the Israelites, not through Moses. Please read Exodus 20:1-17 and Moses Himself confirmed that those 10 commandments were spoken directly by God to the Israelites in Deuteronomy 4:12. Can you confirm if this is true or not? I will only proceed further if you can affirm this or not.

if you like prooceed or not, that's yr headache.ok.this is the rubbush u teach pple on dis forum right?did i tell you i wanna teach you since u sound to know it all n tell us what law we are to keep.i don't quote bible verse i talk bible itself so if u understand God's word u should understand what am saying.i dont have to quote bible to validate my point and if u push hard on me i will pull out bible verses for u to destroy n fight all d nonsesne n jargons u talking here to yr face but meanwhile lets talk bible.u seems to b d one in control and tell us what to obey the law and u said u never mentioned mosaic law.then what the heck law u telling us to obey?doesn't it have a name?letme help you:there is mosaic law,law of christ,law of God,law of faith to mention but few. tell me, i want to know which law u telling to keep?are all these laws the same?

Alwaystrue: Jesus came to fulfil the law not abolish it. That is not hard to know. Hebrews 8:4 also says the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit and not the flesh. I will advise you quit making any assertions, which actually shows a lack of patience, like confused here because you come across like you know everything and you have not proved it at all, so if we are to discuss, do drop all these unnecessary qualifications. Jesus is the fulfilment of the law....your faith in Jesus upholds the law because as you said He makes you to live right and be a better person else since Jesus fulfilled the law, can you tell me why Revelation 14:12 says the saints are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus?

i still have lttle respect for u because u are alady.jesus fulfilled the law not abolished it.what are u still keeping?did u enrol in elementary school at all?what is the meaning of 'christ is d end of the law'?again, if christ is the end ofd law i still need u to tell me what law christ ended as i hv told u different categories of the law that exist.what law is christ the end of?the verse u gave in hebrews had nothing to do with righteousness of d law being fulfilled in us, dats rubbish or out of context verse.so what if revelation 14,12 says to keep commandments.are u so daft that jesus gave a new commandment at the end of his ministry?a new commandment i give unto u jesus said.u are so law conscious that when u read commandment u conclude in your mind it is commandment given under moses law.am still waiting for u to tell me what law u tell us to keep before i know what to do to u.is that how u learn to study God word?

Alwaystrue: There is nothing confusing in what I said. You keep jumping from saying someone is confused and people not knowing what they are saying when all I have shown you is the scripture. See these scriptures below and tell me the difference, or go do more study and stop saying things anyhow.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made BY him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed BY the word of God , so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear

I Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever


Please tell me the difference between the small 'word' and big 'Word' there. Before you talk about confusion next time, try to be less demeaning till you understand what the person is saying.

you are the most confused and daft teacher i ever read online n yet u say u are not confused?i am not d one to tell ignorant person like u the different when bible use the lowercase w in descripting the word and using the uppercase W in d word.go and sit yourself down to learn since u want to teach people and u dont know dis simple elementary.shame on u.like someone want to learn english but refuse to learn abc.if u don't know thise simple elementary, then u are a shameful teaching, u should not be typing on forum like thise not to say teaching.lastly,u need to answer my questions:what law u saying we should keep?2,when bible says the law in everything, what are the usages in meanings?if u know d law n a master of the law it should be easy for u to answer all these questions u teacher of the law.

The fire of d word is in u.bless brother

This Alex have a good heart n I see it in his post.bless brother.

DrummaBoy: I agree with Pastor Kun submission above: the prime reason why the tithe has to be fraud is because of the fruits it is bearing: The Prosperity Gospel.

Every pro-tither on this forum will see nothing wrong with the prosperity gospel. This gospel detract from the gospel of Jesus in many ways but chief among them is to make out a new god for Christians to worship called: BLESSINGS.

Blessing is the Baal worship of our times. Ask these people why they are tithing: for blessing. Tell them they are blessed already Ephesian 1:3, they cannot comprehend it.

Anything that treatens the blessings is viewed with utmost suspicion. Paul writes of them in timothy that they see godliness as a means of gain: I interprete as a means to the blessing.

Did Jesus make blessing his utmost goal: if he did he would not have gone to the cross. Paul faced Jerusalem despite threat to his life but Christians today do all for blessings: pls contrast.

The pursuit of blessing and not godly purpose is anti-christ.

it is pple like u that should b teaching God pple.I see d gift of teaching in yr life n truth in yr words above.keep liberating souls from bondage n yoke.1ooo likes for u.I will add u to pple as followed.amen.

Image123: how does this address my post? There is no need to quote my post and type something irrelevant to it. Are you looking for more pages for the thread?

like d way you looking for more pages on d other tithe thread right with all yr hypocritical lies?are u so unsure of your self dat u can't teach consistent truth?

Image123: Who is this fellow who feels he can dictate or limit my discussion with another? Do you need attention or what? What is wrong in asking anyone are you a Christian, or are you born again, or do you have eternal life? Do you have the spirit of the antichrist working in you or what makes you somewhat flustered?

who cares abt your hypocritical hypothesis?n what is antichrist spirit?can u mentioned it?why do u relate tithe to eternal life in pple Christ died for?are u not d one in antichrist n need d spirit of Christ?I registered dis forum last year or so but was on other Christian forum n I hv seen pple like u many discussion n here to handle u n your likes on dis forum.what d heck is special abt u dat I seek attention for?are u Christ or God that I shld seek attention from?you must b carnally in yr reasoning.

Alwaystrue: So if you are not saying anything about lawlessness, does it not mean you keep the law?

I asked u what are categories of laws exist.u refused to answer.being law keeping christian doesn't say u keep the mosaic laws.before I argue wif u I want to understand what u teach people on dis forum.what does your being lawful mean?keeping Moses or keeping law of God or of Christ or all?

Alwaystrue: Let me post the bible verses so you will understand that Jesus is the law fulfilled.

Jesus is d law fulfilled?seriously?since Jesus is d law fulfilled what law then are u still keeping n what exactly is d law Jesus fulfilled?you sound like a confused lady.Jesus is law fulfilled n still teaching d law.I will b patient wif u to mention d law Jesus fulfilled n d law u telling us to still keeping.

Alwaystrue:
Psalm 119:142 & 160
142Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and your law is the truth
160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 17:17
Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth

now I know u confused lady.is dis d kind of teaching u do here?oh okay.I hv been so much o n other christian forum n I think it time to come to this forum.pple dat dont know but want to teach n end up teaching jargons.what is d difference btw word in lower case w n word with uppercase w?I c u just quoting bible without knowing what u saying?

Alwaystrue: Since the Word of GOd is true and God's word is law and the world of God is Jesus Christ who is the fulfilment of the law, what is the issue?
I simply explained what the truth of the law meant to you...exactly what Jesus said and the only way to fulfil that truth is Jesus Christ.

All Jesus said and did while on earth was the truth, He spoke the TRUTH to everyone (disciples, sinners, pharisees). The Holy Spirit He sent as comforter, guides us in ALL truth which is seen in the scriptures.
Thanks.

you are confused.Jesus is the word?word in upper case w which is d logos or word in lowercase w which is d written?

Image123: Stop being a busy body in other men's matters. Your carnal nature would rather have you contentious than verify the testimony of your fiend.

dude is frosb subject to u?how dare u b asking a Christian Christ died for if he hv eternal life because of tithe u don't agree?is tithe eternal life?does tithe or not give eternal life?u must be out of yr God given mind.

Frosb,ignore dis pple that can't teach d word but eternally depend on what hhm PhD says n ignore this hypocritical pharisee asking if u hv eternal life in tithe discussion,dats madness n nonsense.

Alwaystrue: What is the Law? The law is truth (Psalm 119:142 & 160. The Laws of God....summed up in Love and broken down as seen in so many parts of the bible like the 10 commandments.

Grace is what helps you do what you cannot ordinarily do. Grace helps you in time of need (Hebrews 4:16) - Please go back and study why it said GRACE TO HELP IN TIME OF NEED. Paul said should sin abound because of Grace?
Grace is not license to sin, grace is help to live above sin. What is sin....it is lack of faith (romans 14:23) and it is transgression of the law (I John 3:4). Even Paul said he would not have known sin if not for the law (Romans 7:7).

So if people do not know sin, why will they think they need Jesus or His grace then? It is until they see themselves as not fit for eternal life because of their sin (even if they are 'good'), it is then they will truly understand the reason why they have to accept our Lord Jesus Christ. Then the Holy Spirit will guide them in ALL TRUTH and thus they will be able to reflect and exhibit the fruits fo the spirit.

We are not under the law, we are dead to sin. We are free from the law (NOT ABOVE THE LAW) because we have the grace to live above sin....) in spirit and not of the flesh. That is why HE that is in Christ fulfills the law in the righteousness of it. (Romans 8:4).
Check it out, even though the bible says we are free from the law, it never said we are lawless....

talking jargons!do u think or assume am saying we are free from d law means I am lawless?y do u think or assume dats what am saying?how can d law b truth when Jesus says he is he truth n life?do u know d use of law means 3 different meanings?can u list them?y avoiding d questions asked?what law are u teaching us to continue to keeping?yoke of bondage law?how many categories of law are there in bible?

OLAADEGBU: You need to listen to Moses if you are to be brought to the feet of the cross. God only gives grace to the humble but resists the proud in heart. Believing in a parachute will do you no good if you refuse to put it on. If the knowledge of sin through the law doesn't humble you then you will not be able to receive the grace of God to go and sin no more.

dude I hv listened to Moses n all he did was condemn me to death by stoning but when I listened to Christ he made me see d need not to continue to sin n give me grace for a beta person.who should I serve?d person that said I shld b stoned to death n condemn me or d one dat tells me how to live better but don't condemn me:case reference,woman caught in adultery.where was d man? I or anyone else might n d man not revealed until dis day.do u know that?

OLAADEGBU: Truth is not a concept. He's a Person and His name is Jesus Christ the Son of God. Do you know Him?

Guess who is waiting to accuse you if you don't repent:

(John 5:45-47)

do u need to go back to elementary school?if Moses wrote about someone n dat person is truth n I knew abt dat person thru Moses n d person has come n saved me,not Moses n d person is better Dan Moses n am told to follow dat person,why do u still tell me to follow Moses?can I serve n follow 2 masters?

OLAADEGBU: May the Lord richly bless you with His wisdom. For the day these antinomians understand this solemn truth you posted here would be the day they would know that grace grants us freedom from sin and not freedom to sin. We receive freedom to choose not to sin.

what n where is d truth?in Christ or in Moses or both?

Alwaystrue: I have decided to make it simple so all those who think being in Christ translates to lawlessness can understand.

Written law of old:
Matthew 5:27
You have heard that it was said to those of old,[a] ‘You shall not commit adultery.

The TRUTH which Jesus gave:
Matthew 5:28
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart

Can you compare this and understand the meaning of truth? With what Jesus has said in Matthew 5:28 above, has it explained the perfect meaning of being dead to the law, 'not under the law', free from the law regarding that particular command? Does it not simply prove to you that you are not in bondage to that law because the heart is free from lust already because of Jesus?

Have you ever asked yourself how even though the scriptures have said you are free from the law, it never said your are lawless? The day you understand all this, the day you will understand a better meaning of the TRUTH! Truth makes you go beyond the law because you are living the love of God out. May God help us.

which law are u talking about?there are different kinds of law in d bible which one u talking about?don't tell me u are judaizer like your master brother ola?which law are Christians support to obey?Moses?

This thread is full of episcopal jargons.what is d gospel of Christ in dis thread?is Christ coming to judge d unbelieving world or believers or both?preach d gospel if u know what d gospel is.

registered n frontline taken.

frosbel: 1000 likes.

thank u brother.its time to shut the mouth of these judaizers that camouflage n parade themselves as christians.today they come with jesus is truth that sets free, the next post it is the bondage of keeping d law they teach us to return to.when is all dis madness going to end?can't we just look unto d jesus d author n finisher of our faith?

shdemidemi: This guy, what was the step of faith Paul was referring to? Stop twisting the bible, the Apostle was talking about how Abraham had faith/ trusted God without circumcision and it was accounted to him as righteousness.

leave him alone.he cannot teach the truth himslef if he doesnt copy matthew henry article.his life n teachings is on what matthew henry morris says.

yes Jesus is the truth but you still balance d truth with lies, hypocrisy, deception and judaism.thats all you do on this forum.the truth has npt set you free completely.dont you know d law keeps in bondage but the truth sets free?when d truth is to set u free,from what is d truth going to set you free from if not from d bnondage of d law?this new covenant is not according to the old,do you know that?you are in bondage and you cant see it,come to d truth n b set free completely. @Ola.