4everGod:



Lmao. So there are no victims...issorrait!

Who are the victims?? Just be making bland statements upandan.

dalaman:


Was incest right when God allowed it? Didn't he know that incest was wrong before he allowed it? The truth of the matter is that the Jews that felt incest was right later decided it was wrong and they used their God as an enforcing mechanism. Incest is neither right or wrong, it just depends in the society you are living in.Muslims happily practice incest by marrying their first cousins because Islam allows it. Are they doing the wrong thing? Allah their God says it's right . By the way which God is the source of human morality? I just told you that Allah allows incest. So which God is it?

Baba you make sense... With all the conversations God had with Abraham, not once did he mention incest

KingEbukaNaija:


Let's say you walk in on your son and daughter , adults of course , having consensual sex , would you reprimand them ? And what reasons would you give for reprimanding them .

"Its gross" , "Its weird" aren't reasonable responses .

Reprimand them... Adults??... I would prefer they didn't do it and I will tell them that, but I wouldn't reprimand them... U have not answered my questions. Or is this a cross- examination?

4everGod:


Why dance on hot coals boy?

Even now you are a slave to your church. you have been for 7yrs according to you. Or was your desire to be an instrumentalist voluntary? If it was then why do you find it hard to believe that there are those who voluntarily submit themselves into a life of servitude?

Who are monks? Who are priests? who are nuns? Are you not also a slave?

This is a stupid comment. I play for my church because I enjoy it, and u know instrumentalists have a special place in the hearts of the choir girls... It is voluntary but it's not servitude. There are too many fine girls in my church to turn down being an instrumentalist... But apart from that I love playing live music... Even in my fellowship in school, am very involved in the choir... U still haven't told me what u do in your church

KingEbukaNaija:


Give me your OWN reasons why consensual sex between two adult siblings or family members for pleasure is right or wrong

I can't do it. Is it wrong... That's a question that is subject to personal opinion... It's weird but I can't say it's wrong because there are no victims

4everGod:


You are suddenly so angry. Jonbellion are you sleeping with your sister? I suspect you have done it once or twice or even considered it in your heart because this anger Is suspicious.

Why are u so happy this morning?? Did u sleep with a 10-year old this morning?? How many rounds did u go??

4everGod:


My brother is there a need to say more? If a man would lust after his own flesh and blood sister and even desire carnal knowledge of her....Yaba left should have a special section for people like this.

They are abnormally normally abnormal.

Funny... Two adult siblings having inter course is terrible to you but you can defend slavery and paedophilia??
You and your God, the one that impregnated a twelve year old should be put in the same category as Hitler

KingEbukaNaija:


God remains the source of morality . He permitted incest before and now it has been proscribed - that's why he remains the source of morality . All these have been discussed earlier on this thread - so stop pulling us back .

So mister , tell me is incest for pleasure right or wrong ? And give me your reasons , let me logically scrutinize them .

I believe it's totally personal. If another person believes consensual sex between two adult siblings is not wrong, then am not going to condemn them.... I can't do it...
But if God is the source of morality. How is slavery and paedophilia bad?? Since bible doesn't forbid it. Also, if the Christian God according to you is the only real god, how do people who have never heard about the Christan god determine their morality?

chrmn1:
Say what with a straight face? I didn't really get your point but that scripture clearly points slave trade as a lawless act

No, it doesn't. God didn't forbid it, Jesus didn't... Slavery might not be a sin but slavery is

chrmn1:
Read it very well. It places slave trade on the same category as crimes/ills such as lying, rebellion and every other things that are "contrary to wholesome teaching"

But when Onesimus escaped and came to him, he didn't tell him that he had a right not to be enslaved, instead, he first returned him back to his master. What if the master had decided he would not grant onesimus freedom?? Then he would have been a slave for the rest of his life... Paul didn't forbid slavery but he remembered to tell Christians that women should not function in church and should always cover their heads... Christianity is a joke

chrmn1:
Good morning. Hope you rested well. Just like with killing people in a war, slavery is not good. But had they not done these, they would have been killed and taken captive. It was a war situation.

So they had no other choice then to enslave them??

dalaman:


Abraham the founder of their religion was an incestuous man. Issac was a product of incest.

That one still small... God killed a man because he didn't want to have sex with his sister in law.. I mean who does that?

How could God not have seen that paedophilia is bad?? Damn! I am still kinda new to this religious section but the things that have been exposed about God here is abominably unconscionable.

Richirich713:


This is a common tactic by atheists, whenever u challenge or discuss their worldview, they try to change the topic to the bible.

Why are u scared of changing the topic to the bible?? Are u scared it will be exposed as a book of incests? Even Jesus had a product of incest in his lineage

Op, u can't blame them now... Even their lord and master, Jesus had his own failed prophecy about his coming...
I assure you that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man come as King.”
Matthew 16:28
So, if their God can be so blatantly wrong about his second coming, his followers must also follow suit. Don't you think?

4everGod:


Oga you must be high on something. You say you are an atheist yet you have been faithful in church for 7yrs playing instruments. Why are you lying for ATHEISM?

No shame in saying you are being paid because i know instrumentalists. You guys and money are like that Jacob zuma meme.

Abeg make i go sleep before this instrumentalist makes me miss my cheque.

You are an idiot... Instrumentalists don't usually receive stipends from the church they grew up... But u must insist I receive money because it fits your narrative and am not lying for atheism... That's the good thing about atheism or agnosticism or whatever name u call it, it does not threaten to burn me for eternity if I go to church...
I think u are just angry that an atheist has added more to his church than u a committed Christian will ever do... Or what are u in your church?? Pastor??

4everGod:


19 yrs gist. Yet his actions speak louder than words. The same Christian morals is what has driven him to be such a great giver. I suppose Atheism had nothing to teach him about morality which was why he opted for Christian values and morals.

We are doers of the word and not hearers only. A doer is who a believer is. For us to do that means we believe first. I am sure even something this simple you would not understand.

Shut up... Where in that quote did he say he's guided by Christian morals?? He was talking about his children. Can u even read at all?? U claim u are a graduate but you argue like a toddler

4everGod:


You are only in service because you are being paid a stipend to play an instrument that is why you are there at every service abi you no want make them pay you?

Bill is a rich guy. Who pays him for Going to church yet HE PARTICIPATES and chose christian morals and schools for his kids.

OYO is your case

U just make assumptions like u can't think... No one pays me anything, it's my local church and I've been playing there for 7years... Don't be that stupid next time
.. Is bill gates now sure there is God, has he changed his position that he does not know if there is God... Ask questions before u make assumptions next time

4everGod:


That list was in 1995. Update yourself. Between 1995 and 2014 is a whole 19yrs which is probably your age right now.

If in 2014 He would make such profound statements as PARTICIPATING IN CHURCH and Giving his Kids Christian Morals then i leave the rest to your imagination.

So participating in church and giving kids Christian morals is what makes u a Christians... When he said he doesn't know if there is God, has he made any statement to change that position since then but u just decided on your own that he's a Christian?? Once again, u are a joke
... However, no answer about the failed prophecy yet??

4everGod:


You still live with your dad so do not tell me about boasting about what you cannot do at this time being a dependent.

scroll up and see your first dishonesty. This is your second one.

U don't know me, so shut the fvck up. If u must know, am a member of ANUNSA, charity and environmental projects are our main focus... So tell me what good have u done in your life?? Apart from paying tithes and offering

4everGod:



JESUS ! i gave you an interview extract from 2014 which is just 2 yrs ago and you countered it with an interview extract held in 1995?

i just realized it now. Choi. Such dishonesty.

Boy go and sleep abeg

So, your interview proves he believes in God?? Just because he said he goes to church occasionally??... If that's the criterion then am Pope because am an instrumentalist in my church and I usually have to be at every service...
U are the first Christian that will claim that Gates is a practicing Catholic!? What has changed about his beliefs??Someone on a list of celebrity atheists?? U are a joke

4everGod:


This is my last comment tonight .

Do you know why believers are given the gifts of the spirit such as Faith, working of miracles, Healing, word of knowledge, etc?

Its so our job as believers can move from stories to reality for the hearer. We speak and then we do and thats what people want to see.

Many want Jesus to delays even longer so they can enjoy life so lets not even go there.

The Big Question should be, besides your armchair atheism of theories, what physically engaging thing have you done to better your world or even the life of those who have been downtrodden and abandoned?

We as believers do ours daily! Pay school fees for strangers, take up responsibilites from widows, Pay hospital bills, Even on NL again the other day a Christian guy who saw a kid who got thrown out of school for not paying his fees took up the case and declared he would sponsor the boys education to university level.

Oga which one you done do or you dey do? Talk is cheap! You are being cheap with all this talking. We want to see action from you atheists.

Guy... You've been found out. The honorable thing would have been not to reply at all, what u must typed up there showed u as the fraud u are... Shifting goal posts when u don't have an answer...
I don't boast about my good deeds... It's not modest, but I do little I can without expecting rewards from an imaginary God... That's more than you, you pastors and your God can say
In case u come up with an explanation for this failed prophecy by Jesus, just respond but if u don't,no biggie, u wouldn't be the first to fail at it

4everGod:


I have taken the liberty of highlighting the key points for you to chew on. He believes in Religion so believes in God even though he isnt sure because he prefers the scientific approach to things so add that to my quote and then make a conclusion.

Abeg some of us have businesses to run. Big day ahead. Enjoy your thread.

When someone said with his own mouth that he doesn't know if there is God and u can still say he believes in God... That's either dishonest or retarded

4everGod:


The guy no know!

If Jesus would say MY SHEEP. The guy wan follow Jesus drag property.

Why have u not responded to my comment about Jesus' false prophecy... Or didn't u see it??
Lemme paste it here:
Well, about those last days, see what the bible says...
Matthew 16:28
I assure you that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man come as King.”
So, according to this fake prophecy by your lord and master, the last days should have come and gone thousands of years ago.. So, if people are leaving Christianity, it's not because of some prophecy but people are seeing Christianity as what it is, a scam
What do u have to say?

4everGod:



Bill Gates is a Participating Catholic

His Quote From an Interview in 2014 about his love for religion:

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Lai Mohammed!! Or is it Lie Jesus??
This is an interview he had
Gates: I don't. I'm not somebody who goes to church on a regular basis. The specific elements of Christianity are not something I'm a huge believer in. There's a lot of merit in the moral aspects of religion. I think it can have a very very positive impact.
Frost: I sometimes say to people, do you believe there is a god, or do you know there is a god? And, you'd say you don't know?
Gates: In terms of doing things I take a fairly scientific approach to why things happen and how they happen. I don't know if there's a god or not, but I think religious principles are quite valid.
See that, he doesn't know if there's god or not... How is that person a practicing Catholic

4everGod:


lmao at superior arguments.

The life of a believer is a progressive Journey of Love and more Love and we showcase God through our sacrificial living and men are encouraged and blessed.

People want to see you do as you say and not do as i say mentality. If you love me, show me and not tell me stories of how God condoned slavery when you are even ignorant of what you are saying.

Go out and show the world that you have a large heart and can die for their sins and can love them unconditionally and can give them from the little you have and can make yourself uncomfortable for their sake. Those are the real issues.

If you cannot do these things then you cannot talk about a God who can as is being displayed by His Children all over the world.

Was it not a Pastor who paid for the surgery abroad of the Muslim girl who got burned? Love speaks and until yours begins to speak in action, your armchair stories are all trash.

A pastor paid for a surgery?? Well, if he can pay for one surgery out of other people's money he collects under the guise of tithes, it doesn't make him special... Bill Gate gave billions of dollars to the prevention and treatment of Aids... That is more than what any Christian organization has done ever, they are busy building big auditoriums

MrPresident1:
John 10:27
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:



You are doing nothing except showcasing your ignorance to the world . The sheep knows the Master's voice whe they hear it

What's Jesus doing with sheep. I hope he's not doing anything unholy. U know what I mean

4everGod:


That gist is for another thread. You are obviously a fresher here on NL so do not know how tiring it is to repeat the same arguments with you atheists. No creativity, no freshness, nothing new! Just the same regurgitated chit chat.

I have a choice and i choose not to be a broken record. Thanks.

Really... Well, I could have chosen to be like you, shifting goal posts all over the place but I know that I have superior arguments which have not been countered by you... If u can show how slavery is fair, I promise you I will look forfor something else to talk about

4everGod:


Keep telling yourself that and maybe you might believe it some day.

If Islam does overtake Christianity they it would a thing of Joy as that would be a fulfilment of prophecy.

IN THE LAST DAYS THE LOVE OF MANY WILL WAX COLD! This is clearly a pointer to the quick coming of Christ. MrPresident1 no be so?

The Bible says there shall be a falling away first! Or have you not read it? Or its only slavery you have been seeing?

Oh!... Arguing with me is no longer a fruitless venture? Well, about those last days, see what the bible says...
Matthew 16:28
I assure you that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man come as King.”
So, according to this fake prophecy by your lord and master, the last days should have come and gone thousands of years ago.. So, if people are leaving Christianity, it's not because of some prophecy but people are seeing Christianity as what it is, a scam

4everGod:


When someone ignores an argument for sake of seeing it as a fruitless venture you somehow assume the person is running away. Your comments and your mentioning of social studies shows you know nothing about the issue. So i would rather drop it.

lmao at social studies.

Oh... Fruitless venture?? After asking who will judge the judges. I mean that's height of ignorance....
And answering that's straight forward question can't be that tough now... U argue for hours and then u are asked a question and u suddenly remember it's a fruitless venture... Nice try but we're not deceived

4everGod:


Think what you will. Does it change anything? You are on NL a forum made up of barely 1.7million and not even a third of this visit the religion section and when they do, it makes no difference to them.

Compare this with the billions in the world who experience real true love from strangers who are believers, who see charities and orphanages being run by churches, to missionaries going to remote places and assisting communities and all. just the other day on NL front page Pastor Iginla bought a woman who sleeps outside a new 2 bedroom house.

Keep on talking about slavery and God when the Bible says we are living epistles read of men and the creature is eagerly looking out for the manifestations of the sons of God and our manifestations have been love based so when you see a loving believer you see a loving God.

Try to wrap your head around that. For decades so much attack has come against the church and God but has not even put a scratch to it as it keeps growing! We do not focus our lives on theories which is what you armchair atheists love doing...We go into the world and SHOW THE LOVE OF GOD to as many as need it.

I suggest you begin to do same as your attempts at ridiculing here or arguing blindly is as effective as driving a car backwards on a straight road while thinking that action would take you forward by 1 foot.

Christianity is losing adherents everyday... Islam is the fastest growing religion. That must mean that it's more valid and authentic right?? Islam is many years younger than Christianity and in some years time will overtake Christianity as the world's biggest religion... In fact, my comments will surely sow doubts in some minds, and that's enough for me .