Richirich713:


what?, it agrees with atheism 100%

According to Richard Dawkins, this atheist mythology is a staggering fact.

Well, the argument that human beings are amazing so they must have been created but a supposedly more amazing God didn't have to be created is not just staggering, it's stupid

Richirich713:
atheists

That picture is utter crap and doesn't reflect what atheism is but even that crap still makes more sense than Christianity...

KingEbukasBlog:


You don't know what atheism is apparently . So you've been on this forum for one complete year with all discussions and all and you still talk like this ?

Atheism does have devastating effects on the brain

Smh

Am just going to paste what I put on another thread...

93 percent of the members of the National Academy of Sciences, one of the most elite scientific organizations in the United States, do not believe in God. This demographic is significant not just because of the elite nature of the organization but the extreme propensity of members of this elite organization to not believe in God...
A look at a the larger class of scientists which though not exceptional are still scientists reveals a similar but less extreme demographic. 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006.
Even a survey of philosophers favors atheism because 73% of professional philosophers are atheists.
So if these are the devastating effects of atheism, plss I want to be a victimvictim

blueAgent:
“Science is incompetent to reason upon the
creation of matter itself out of
nothing. We have reached the utmost limit of our thinking faculties when we
have admitted that because matter cannot be
eternal and self-existent it must have been
created.”— Physicist and mathematician James
Clerk Maxwell, who is credited with formulating classical electromagnetic theory and whose contributions to science are considered to be of the same magnitude to those of Einstein and Newton.


www.nairaland.com/3452546/scientists-quotes-god

93 percent of the members of the National Academy of Sciences, one of the most elite scientific organizations in the United States, do not believe in God. This demographic is significant not just because of the elite nature of the organization but the extreme propensity of members of this elite organization to not believe in God...
A look at a the larger class of scientists which though not exceptional are still scientists reveals a similar but less extreme demographic. 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006.
Even a survey of philosophers favors atheism because 73% of professional philosophers are atheists.

Richirich713:
Atheists have blind faith.

And Christians have proven faith?? Or they rely on logic and reason?? Plss, spare me this hogwash... U people close your eyes to everything that is incorrect about the bible and then brandish the bible as scientifically accurate

bennyann:


Are you suggesting the love, peace and all the other great fruits of the Spirit should be 100% in this particular earth? An earth where people don't believe in the God who would provide the new earth for His own children?

Come on! You're talking about love and peace in their complete glory. This earth is too degraded for that.

Calm down... U are saying the physical structure of this earth is not good enough for the fruits of the spirit?? Biblical reference plss

bennyann:


God bless you 4everGod.

Christians whose faith shake so easily should be challenged by the OP. Especially those who still believe the write ups in the Bible aren't inspired of God.

The Bible came to being, came alive before science.

Bible is inspired by God.. So why are there so many contradictions in it

benzics:

I thought your god was omnipotent? Why did he rest on the seventh day?

I thought your god is omniscient? Why does he still create people if he already knows that they are going to hell?

I thought your god was omnipresent? So you mean your god is actually present when paedophiles rape innocent little children, but your god whom you believe can do things is actually there but doing nothing? Some of these paedophiles go to the extent of butchering their victims, but your god is just watching..

It's either of these two things, god is a helpless psychopath, or god doesn't exist!!

Now the Bible was written by a con artist, that's for sure! I do ask Christians how was the Bible written, most say that god spoke to the early men (so god waited for billions of years before actually getting in contact with the inhabitants of the earth?), so do you know you are actually leaving off a man's hallucinations? You won't think about it, because, "who are you to question god"..

Lol, funny you, god recreates new species.... That really confirms the madness of this god.. . Do you know that there are insects that survive only by feeding on the eyes of little children? Why did God create these kind of creatures that live to harm? Simple, God created nothing! In fact, he doesn't exist!

Keep living off a man's delusions...

Just researched on that eye-eating worm and it's brutal... If there's a God, he's sure brutal

onetrack:
Very good. People who do not believe should stand up for themselves and refuse to go to church.

Well, it's complicated bro... For some people, refusing to go to church is express way to their families disowning them

DoctorAlien:


Bro, don't twist the Bible in a bid to appear credible.

"And He built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever." Psa. 78:69

Possible interpretations:

1. He built His sanctuary like the(definite article) earth which he hath established forever. If I say, "the man" or "the chair", it means I'm talking about a particular man or chair out of many. So, this can be understood as GOD talking about the(new) earth which He has ordained to be forever.

2. GOD can decide to simply scatter, destroy/denature and then remake/remould this present earth, just like a potter can do with clay. That makes Psa. 78:69 still stand valid.

3. Your own interpretation.

Bro, you're not gonna win in this game of semantics.

Oh, really... So when the bible says new earth, it was talking about physical structures?? I thought u Christians say that the newness will be in government, peace, love and all that. So, it's now physical structure
U guys just choose which interpretations suit you per time. There's no consistency to your claims

DoctorAlien:


There will always be the earth, for it is clear in Isa. 65:17; 66:22; and Rev. 21:1 that GOD will create a new heaven and a new earth. Moreover, the meek will inherit the brand new earth. Everything will be brand new once again from the Hand of the Creator, Yahweh!

So, the earth remains forever.

If God will CREATE a NEW earth, then that means that the present earth will not last forever now... But the psalms quoted says the earth IS established forever not will be established forever

rhektor:


Stop being sarcastic, appeal to emotions do not win arguments. You think by trying to rigmarole you'll be seen as intelligent? This only show how shallow you are. Goodnight

Baba, just read the link... I already read it and it clearly sets out the contradiction of the two accounts... But if u still want to run for cover, then good night

hopefulLandlord:


oga, is this what we asked for?

Foladara777 abeg, na wetin we ask for be dis?

Boss, I tire for this people... They opened a thread on that scientific discovery article, all of them were shouting God is great until I asked a simple question showing contradiction with other verses of the bible and they all dissappeared like smoke... If u can argue with Christians successfully, the long suffering u have is more than the one holy spirit gives as a fruit of the spiritspirit

hopefulLandlord:


http://www.leighb.com/genesis.htm

Yeah, I remember we did two accounts of the creation story in CRK. Two accounts written by the same man and dictated by the same God... Ayaf suffer woh

rhektor:



Your assertions are myopic, in fact your attack on religion is borne out of your ignorance. How could you claim that the religious books are written by corn artists? Isn't this statement of yours preposterous? You think religion is all about dogma alone. The Christian religion has given everyone the grace to prove and disprove everything written in the Bible. "search all things and hold on to what is true"
Most scientific breakthroughs and discoveries are achieved by curiously reading the Bible and trying to either prove or disprove the bible. Every history written in the Bible is with landmark /landscape or description of a place which some scientists in the past had thought to be lie, however recent archaeological evidences are proving most to be right.
Note this those who believe in evolution simply because they thought they had evidences against the creationist account of the book of Genesis has not find any fossil(s) of any specie of animal or plants that they could say existed after human being. And we have this in Genesis that after the six creation day God rested from his works of creation. Have you heard of any new specie discovered ?
Next time you want to criticise religion please don't commit hasty generalisations, it is fallacious.

Observe the following images and respond please I would like to hear from you

I just smile when I read comments like this... Most scientific breakthroughs are achieved by reading the bible?? Like the rejection of the idea that the world was flat?? Or u didn't know that the bible support the notion of a flat earth?. And plss there is ample evidence- not proof- of evolution, creationism is just fairy tales... And there are a lot of historical inaccuracies in the bible. Not to mention the contradictions therein, especially in the new testament

KingEbukasBlog:


Raelians are atheists because they don't hold any belief in deities . Those atheists believe that aliens created life on earth . They reject evolution .



Atheism is still a belief anyway and the belief there is no God is a supposition . The existence of God is factual , Atheism is denial more like rejection of God . As far as you reject gods or deities you are an atheist . That means an atheist can believe in witchcraft , superstition , reincarnation , veneration of ancestral spirits , magic etc .


It depends as what you see as intelligent design. Theistic evolutionists see natural selection as a mechanism for creation . Life is intelligently designed , the contentious issue should be , by what mechanism .



Funny enough that's what the raelians who like I mentioned before are atheists . They believe this idea of intelligent design has been passed down from generations for 6,000 years .



Actually that's fallacious reasoning - appeal to ignorance fallacy . You surmise that God does not exist because of the supposed lack of contrary evidence . If that is what you call atheism, then no wonder it is illogical and repulsive to logical beings like me .

The evidence of God is factual?? Kuku kill me!! Do you even know the meaning of factual

Image123:


Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

You are not far from being a believer.

This seems like utter crap to me. Can you explain the relevance of this comment??

Image123:


Don't blow a fuse friend. Calm down and express yourself coherently.

I mentioned God responsible for the deaths of some people and u replied that alcohol, food and machines also cause deaths... Is that a justification?? Because if it is, the deaths caused by Boko Haram can be justified the same way... Get it now??

Image123:


Or, so He did exist and died on the cross? Good, very good. Why then do you think that His coming and promise to permanently end tears is mythical?

Because Matthew 16: 28 says,
28Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in (into) His kingdom.
If Jesus was the real deal, he would have come many years ago in line with his prophecy

Image123:


Alcohol, food, machines cause the deaths of thousands of people annually, are you simply simplistic or you are not one of our famous 'thinkers' or what?

What the fvck are u saying?? So because other things cause deaths, it's perfectly okay if God murdered another 100,000 people with an earthquake... Alcohol is unhealthy, food and machines have their flaws but God is supposed to be a good and almighty God

Image123:


Perhaps you might be better off minding your own business instead of tripping all over the place.The post was addressed primarily to dalaman WITH A HISTORY in mind. You may refer to my post here for YOUR own answer.

That's how u people do, when u don't have an adequate response... Look for excuses not to talk about the issues raised... It's not new anymore

hopefulLandlord:


was it not the same doG that punished Egyptians with plagues and even killing every firstborn sons because they took Israelites slavery? that doG then quickly gave Israelites instructions on how to make their own slaves

Yahweh is one bipolar deity

Mehn... Never looked at it that way. And still in church every Sunday, when pastor says God is good, we reply in unison, all the time

OK... Not really into science that much, it's all seems like Greek to me, so I will stick to what I know I.e the bible... Which BTW, contradicts itself here
Psalm 78: 69
69And He built His sanctuary [exalted] like the heights [of the heavens] and like the earth which He established forever.
Ecclesiastes 1:4
4One generation goes and another generation comes, but the earth remains forever.

Op, plss help me reconcile these contradictory verses

hopefulLandlord:


the bitter truth they don't wanna admit is that there's NOTHING different in the strictest sense of the word

what they term miracle? it happens in our lives too, an atheist survived 2 separate nuclear bomb blasts, we just don't give an imaginary friend the credit for them

the only thing is the deluded assurance that they'll enjoy for eternity in a mansion a Jewish folklore carpenter built for them

Just imagine someone saying "the only benefit I have received from God is that I have God" , that's essentially what she's saying. I mean WTFWTF

An2elect2:
I told you already

You see but you cant percieve!

What you ought to ask is, "Are you contented?" For that, all men seek.

And if i have all, which is God, then i am satisfied

This is funny?? So four years in Christ and not one single benefit derived...

An2elect2:
The Spirit of Christ. His suffering, death and resurrection are all being manifested in me.

O how blessed i am that God counted me worthy to partake in His Glory.

Its been 4yrs since God found me and He has not departed!

But u still haven't told us what's different about your life?? Like what's better about it... What do you have that can't be found in the lives of unbelievers

chrmn1:
If you want to blame God then maybe you should blame Him for creating man in the first place because man will always make mistakes. It is often said that it's human to err. At the time He raised Elijah, Israel was actually going through a season of unbelief, do He needed to reassure them of His power by way of the supernatural and so He commissioned Elijah but because Elijah was human, he was prone to err. When God is working with humans, He doesn't bypass their freewill. And for all you know, you cannot tell how much these guys had done this mocking of the prophet and probably had been warned but went ahead and possibly could only have themselves to blame. The Bible would usually summarize the event. You and I don't know everything that happened between the guys and Elijah. Is it impossible that the guys had met Elijah previously? Me thinks not.

Man will always make mistakes?? I guess the tsunamis and earthquakes are a result of men's mistakes, right??... In fact, read your bible, Elisha merely cursed the kids, God provided the bears, God murdered those kids... And he doesn't matter what happened previously, killing kids is wrong... Don't even know why you are trying to add to the account of the bible, maybe u should write your own version

An2elect2:
You call my new life in Christ a mere charade?

I can only laugh What do you know? nothing

So educate us what is different or special about your new life

matrix600:
I actually read from beginning to end, guy you're brilliant. Everyday I'm more convinced that religious people really need our help, seeing how they lack reason and are totally unsympathetic. They try to justify every obvious atrocity committed in the Bible. Arguing with them can be pointless and frustrating.

My boss, As in Christians tire me... They can justify the worst deeds as long as it is in the bible

chrmn1:
No sir. That's not for you to determine. The Bible says, "man looks on the outward appearance but God looks of the heart". I was in a fellowship and you'd almost swear that the fellowship excos were living faithful and upright lives. I got a taste of their other side when I was privileged to stay close to some of them. Even me typing, you really don't know me so I may sound like a very spiritual brother to you but only God knows the things I do in secret. Unlike man, God is not impressed by our outward activities. I still maintain that Nigerians are very religious folks but we are largely lacking in true and committed worship to God

I've always maintained that a truly successful Christian life is only achievable with the help of the Holy Spirit who was given to us to give us advance knowledge and instructions for profitable living. If someone was sensitive enough to the prompting of the Spirit, it may have been averted. It's possible that some people were given this information prior to its occurrence but they didn't act on it or were lazy and just shoved the instruction away.

I know someone who was given advance info that the financial institution (one of the top ones in the country these days) where he was working would soon fold up when the outward signs indicated otherwise. The company was actually very healthy at the time. He told a lot of people of what he saw including me. He acted on that instruction and left the company few months later and shortly after, news began to spill and the rest was history

Don't tell me stories... Let's discuss principles. God stood by and let them die. No purpose is served by the killing of children. And even God had a purpose, the fact that he needed people to die to serve his purpose proves that he's not the almighty because someone that can do all things will not need people to die to achieve his purpose

chrmn1:
The passage does not say God was standing or that He approved of this act. The deed was done, simples. I took out time to explain how the gift of God works, that even though it's got redemptive power, it can be used for selfish purposes and this is why God is extra careful when He releases it.

The deed was done simple?? So God has no part of the blame?? Couldn't he have prevented the act?? I thought God could do all things

Karlovich:
op Jesus is cummin soon

Actually, he's not.
Matthew 16: 28:
28 I assure you that there are some here who will not die until they have seen the Son of Man come as King.”