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Freemanan:
Who is Osun's father?

Obatala na

MEILYN:
Good quesTion bro. I like people that like to acquire knowledge. I hope you know that the land of Egypt was existing even before the Jews brought their religion? What I am trying to say is that Africa has the oldest religion in the world. I hope we agree on this bro? We can move on after you agree.

I thought you are a christian

uchgurl442:
Nice list you have... but do these gods actually exist?? Did they ever exist??

Ask yourself this question.

Do I really exist?

Then you will know if the Gods exist or not

9jacrip:
Obatala's wife was not Yemoja.

It was Yemoo (Yeyemoolu).
He had other wives, Yemoja was not one of them.

Yemowo right?

I have mistaken the two sometimes ago

peedeeasobie:
What passage of the bible was plagiarized from the book of Egypt pls?

The creation story and the Adam account were from the deadbook

Freemanan:
My mum is from Ondo...
Yoruba has the highest and largest and the most spiritual traditional institution in Nigeria and also in Africa (arguably)... hence their dominance...

Whenever you visit Ondo, ask the indigene there to tell you about Ogunlakaye Osinmole.

You wikk love it

Afam4eva:
Allah means God in Arabic and it can refer to any god depending on who is saying it.

The Allah been mentioned in Islam as the supreme God is nothing but a Moon deity. The Original name of Allah is Hubal. He own the kabal and has three daughter called Al-Lat, Manat, and Al- Uzza.

The new islamic age Allah is formless and has no meaning at all

Freemanan:
I believe I am in line?
Aye?

Aye.

Are you a Yoruba? Why do is Yoruba Orisha the most listed in your OP?

ideatoprince18:
........nice words I think d film should b FIGHT OF THE GODS......I would love THOR to fight AMADIOHA.....but JESUS should not b among bxos he would win all of dem including allah

The God of Iron defeated your God called Jehovah in the bible. So how much more is his son who can not defeat death?

kevoh:
Battle between Thor and Sango! Gonna be Epic to know the real Thunder God.

@OP

That description of Sango looks like something you will get from the Carribeans and the South-Americans. I'm pretty sure the African yoruba version will have a slightly different Sango story. Let me call someone to lend credence to my line of thought.

CC: FOLYKAZE

This is the link http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/african-mythology.php?deity=SHANGO from where he gets hos info about Sango.

I think thay depiction is the believe among the lucumi ans santeria. It is a catholized orisha system. Well the information are right to some extent

Now I can proudly say, I am a Nigeria. Under Buhari, everything is coming place and seem working.

dalaman:
It's simple. You can test the effectiveness of any juju without him coming to you. You can set a test and use juju to provide the answer. A simple test that is indisputable. If the juju gets it right then we will all know that it's true and doubters like us will then acknowledged and shut up forever. A simple test can be carried out if you agree without him going anywhere.

This always make you guys sound not serious.

Firstly, where did I say I have a juju?

Secondly, where did I tell you guys that the particular juju I have (I cant remember telling you guys I have juju) can see person who is 100 of kilometers away?

Thirdly, can you show me where potency of an object is displayed without a spectator on ground?


The way you guys going round hiding behind the internet makes you look like a kid. Come out boldly and tell us you are scared rather than bragging intelligence while all I see is cowardice.

Charm works fine. That is all I can say. You either take it or leave. And if you in doubt and want to check things out for yourself, kindly come out.

I think I have made myself clear here

johnydon22:
We want to test the potency of your juju naaaaa. . . . i just gave you that one as a simple task to see the effectiveness of your juju but as expected it was like shooting the wind

My juju? Did I tell you I have one?

If you want to test charn, pls come down to the west.

I am doen with your online bragging. Come out from where you hiding and lets play this out.

I am done with this anyway

johnydon22:
The incantation you threw in obviously stems from your own superstition of which i don't share. . .
The burnt leaves liberates the smoke which in turn acts as a reagent, reacts with the clouds and induces rain. . . I categorically cannot tell you which elements are in the smoke having not studied them before, i just mentioned it has similar effects as an industrial silver iodide.
Call is H2O or just water, it still remains that in science the compound H2O remains water so it is just water. . and definitely is the same as you picking up a water to drink, only in this case the lack of knowledge that water is in fact H2O rest with you and not the compound. . . thats what we were saying, as you lack knowledge of what water is you may tag it a deity but when scientifically studied is shown to be just the product of a reaction between Hydrogen and oxygen
I will need you to define consciousness to me
anthropomorphism settles it

Incantation has value even in science. We the power of sound energy. In this case, we have to understand there is a pattern for it usage. Sound energy can never be rule out.

Are there leave that contain silver iodine?


If water is the same thing as H2O, Olokun is the samething as salty water while Osun is the samething as fresh water.


Consciousness is simply awareness and reaction.

Anthromorpism doesnt settle anything. You have a problem with water been refer to as woman but settling it when I brought in the case Lady Justice which represent law. Do you know that Lady justice is been worship and sacrifice been made to in the ancient time and in this modern time, she took every public places and books.i have not seen any atheist who would claim to me that lady justice doesnt exist. I always see one when going to wotk every day. The goddess exist

johnydon22:
Guess game? Hahahahaha you just reduced your own spiritual ability claim to a mere guess tag. . .

easy bob, i knew you couldn't do it anyway. . . wasn't expecting you to. . just made it clear to all you know

Where did I telk you I have spiritua ability?

And where did I bring uo anything relating to guessing your cloth color?

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahahaha can't you just tell me that you don't know the colour of the clothe am wearing

Chai funny

Ogbeni come over for better issue. I aint your gal which you can play guessing game with

johnydon22:
I mentioned that those plants and smokes have elements with similar effect on clouds like silver iodine
I think calling water what it is which is WATER.. Water is a natural entity, its a natural occurring compound and that is what it is

When you start telling me that water is a conscious entity that needs sacrifice and is a woman, then there you go i will definitely tell you it is in your head....

What are these elements in the composition of leaves, firesmoke and incantation that have same effect on the cloud like silver iodine? I really want to know.

In science, water is not just watet. It is H2O. But remember, not every one cares if the H is 2 or the O is based to two. Those that refer it as H2O understand what they mean more and better than I that just pick a cup and drink water from it.

Water is a conscious entity. This depend on how you define consciousness though. Sacrifice to the best I know and from what I learnt from a priest me exchange.. . . .you are really making Sacrifice to your phone. Nope? Do you know what are you sacrifing? Name it pls?

Calling a water woman is not wrong. This is anthromorphisation which is employed by every culture. Do you disagree with the law because it is depicted as a blindfolded lady? Does Lady justice carrying a scale and a sword rule out law? Does this been a goddess in egypt and greek culture rules out justice and equity?

davien:
Are you sure?

@bolded....I don't recall geography ever calling atmospheric pressure,wind,humidity,etc that causes rain under certain conditions as "spirits and gods"

Please can you list a person that is heavily documented to have done this?
But didn't you say it's "above science",how can you now bring it to science?

Geography is a field in science.

Gods and spirit is a term use in spirituality and not science but they tend to explain the samething. Sango in Yoruba is the samething as Thunder. Ogun is Iron. The allegory of Ogun moulding bone is expressed in science which says calcium produces bone. These are few correlation i know.

Rain makers here are not scientist and there practise are not documented. The local herbs seller cannot explain the content they sell but that does not rule out the potency of their medicine. Yet, I have not seen anyone of them documented.

Where did I say charm is above science?

johnydon22:
Lets not shy away from this. . ."Just tell me the colour of the clothes am wearing" I believe this should be a very simple test that would convince me beyond doubt and as well be very convenient for you....am presume this should be easy for you

Am waiting bro

The experience wilk be delievered in person.

Why are you scared of traveling around to gain more experience?

dalaman:
Ok. He should come and lets do it.

Ok man

johnydon22:
Actually science has a very solid explanation on that. . . Silver Iodine when administered to the cloud by seeding liberates rain, some smokes possessing similar xristics have the same reaction and this can only be done in the presence of a rain cloud. .
Meaning that the employment of the "God/spirits in explanation is just a representation of man's weakness and lack of knowledge.

The elimination of these god factors due to scientific discoveries should have taught man to look towards scientific methods (observation, study and experiment) to understand phenomenons that happen around us because i think we have developed past the age of employing the god/spirit factor when we lack knowledge...

I dont even know there is a scientific explanation for that already. Thanks for informing me.

And pls, is there presence in silver iodine in leaves and firesmoke? In what particular leaf can we find this element?

If I can ask, what do you think god is? An imaginary being or tangible natural element? Is the water body called Yemoja (goddess) not a natural entity?

dalaman:
He said he'll get in touch with me but he hasn't it's about 4 months now. I am very ready. Tell him to contact me if he is serious. Once he mentions my name I'll be notified.

Haba. He could have forgotten this.

Ghostofsparta pls we need your attention here.

I will try to mail him on this

johnydon22:
And perhaps the charm forbid you from travelling out right.... Seriously?

You can't come to Enugu neither can i travel all the way to Osun (stuff like that)

So stop the internet hype because you know for sure i cant travel down to the west (for a flimsy reason as tasting a charm) **imagine**

Maybe we can do a little demonstration that do not require any travel. . . How about tell me the colour of clothing am wearing now or maybe You can jump a 3 storied building unhurt and unbruised (video)

Lol

Demonstration you say?

It is good when it hapoen right in your front.

dalaman:
https://www.nairaland.com/2184719/atheist-please-educate-me-existence/5#31632493

Did he mail you or called on your attention that all is set?

Do you reach him since after then?

johnydon22:
Its settled then, he can't come to enugu but you expect me to go visit someone in lagos or ondo from east (whats worse, do so while with a gun in my bag)

Am sure you are not expecting me to be that daft

Lol.

Pack well pls

People dont travel with their gun?

Lets put a gun aside.
What about a knife?

Lets try that out

dalaman:
Ghostofsparta is a blowhard. He is not to be taken seriously. He offered a challenge. I accepted and he ran away.

Prove it pls

davien:
no problem..

If it's above scientific understanding(which routinely employs logic) and the laws of nature(which we can understand) then how would we detect or attribute it to anything when those are the bars we use to attribute or understand things?....

For instance,using terms like "force" is an understanding of a phenomenon that has an attractive or repulsive effect on objects ....this knowledge is derived from an understanding of nature .... if the "supernatural" is above nature you won't even know what it is ...let alone be able to label it a force because nature is the ground where we pull our understanding from and terms...so how could a force be out of nature if indeed it's a force?


Then the term is an argument from ignorance....everything once ceased an explanation to humans and now that we've had an understanding of them they cease to be "supernatural"....can you affirm that this trend won't go on in the far future for the things you consider "supernatural" right now?

This is not completely ignorance.

For example, rain falling was attributed to gods or some spirit been behind it. But today we alk know that this spirit and gods are some forces.

And today, have some people that can stop rain or make rain. They acquire this skill from somewhere. They know what they are doing but do not have scientific explanation for it.

When science come into an event, gods and spirit are repkaced with force and energy. So to ne, this isnt about ignorance but bringing one stuff to the age of science

dalaman:
I took his challenge but he ran away.

Prove it. You can still source the convo out

johnydon22:
Then its settled then because going by this, one can rightly see that:

What you term "Supernatural" are just phenomenons you don't yet understand

This is simple.

johnydon22:
I can really really do that, i live in ENUGU. . anyone available and up to it can pay me a visit. . . we will get the police warrant because i wouldn't want to go to jail. . better still put it on a goat or dog to avoid putting human life in danger.

Then the show can be done fully video documented. . .we will the get to it..

He should come and meet you in Enugu or what?

Here is it https://www.nairaland.com/1510778/all-atheists-once-all you got him. He is in Lagos.

And I will take a charm challenge with you if you can come down to Ondo State

johnydon22:
Ok i don't even get your point

Bro. You have a bullet and can shatter one head then later head to the cementry for burial. . . good. Why dont you pick up a challenge with ghostofsparta?

I made a deal with Mazaje and he is nowhere to be found till today. Someone too put a challenge up there and no one could pick it. You can give a hand here pls

NormalCodes:
Sir, Radio Biafra is on.

Oga record it or keep mute