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Akin1212:
I would be a fool if I agree with you bro, Capitalisation means everything, if some are written as gods and one is referred to as God. Then it means a lot. Common sense says if there is a difference then there is a difference.. Think


And the confirmation that u knw the difference is that u said the bible said God is god which means to some extent you know the difference.. And also pls point it out in the bible....

Thanks for the challenge

Exodus 22:28

King James Bible reads
Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

English Standard Version reads
“You shall not revile God, nor curse a ruler of your people.

KJV reads thou shall not revile gods while ESV reads thou shall not revile God. This is coming from the same Exo 22:28 and it proves they are one. That is what is been referred to as gods is the samething as God. Unless you want to prove the bible is wrong.

MuttleyLaff:
Not remotely concerned about testing the Oluwo
will be more interested if chief priest makes himself available to the relevant health department for clinical observation and testing

The chief priest is subjected to Spirituality and not science, Malokun shrine and not clinic lab.

He works in the shrine for year and many people do visit him/her there. There are lot of students who also consult him and hundreds of initiate. These people were not infested with disease except those that went there to steal from the shrine. This should bring into your sense that this is not a disease in medical radar. Heck, the thief would have gotten enough antibodies to help them suceed in their operation.

MuttleyLaff:
Dont play the victim card here.
It's you trying to pull a fast one and comparing apples to oranges

It is me that said Antibodies is ajesara?

And Okigbe has some proteinous effect on the skin, preventing it from knife cut?

Lol

MuttleyLaff:
Is one born with "aporo"?
Does one naturally form "aporo" in the body?

I said antibiotic is aporo. You too dumb not seeing that aporo would have come in play if the disease or death is clinical.

Had it been this is all medical problem, then aporo would work. Maybe I need to teach you what tongue in the cheek is.

MuttleyLaff:
You shouldn't be tired of crap, as you like shiiiit. You roll with crap
You're an ignorant self conceited big piece of crap

Ajesara abi?

Okigbe is effect of Y protein.

Lets talk from afar.

MuttleyLaff:
I can do better than that with the help of Google Translate.
I absent mindedly didnt check Google Translate first, but you reminded me of it.
You couldnt answer what antibodies is in yoruba, but if you've found out that vaccination according to Google Translate is "ajesara"
Then I too with the help of Google Translate, safely concludes the chief priest had "ti inu ara"

Strawmaning. This doesnt make you have sense.

Ti inu ara is not antibodies.

MuttleyLaff:
You sure are so much into self delusions sha
and so fond of making spurious reasoning resulting in nonsense
Was it after consulting Osanyin that you were told this poster Muttleylaff is logicboy

i repeat, I know logicboy when I see him.


Does this mean you are logicboy?

Or you really want to play silly?

Where were you when logicboy ran away from doll? Huh?

I made a simple statement and all you could do is to read foolish meaning into it. So when I hit you on the ground you stand, you run around like logicboy.

MuttleyLaff:
Not me, but you brother first brought Osanyin into this matter when you wrote:
"we need the energy of osanyin"
"With osanyin, medical expert should drill out knowledge of herbs.
This would bring improvement to our health section. And also steer us back ho,e rather than running to foreign countries."
Bet you've forgotten about that Osanyin claptrap shiiiit you posted twice earlier today

have warned, if you continue trailing me on this Osanyin, yu will return dirty.

You aint logicboy. . .so stop acting like him.

MuttleyLaff:
I know the feeling, I feel your pain. The truth hurts man.

What truth?

MuttleyLaff:
Dont cheers me, not me. Raise your glass to your star and thank it instead

I thought you said you are unfollowing thread.



All in all.

Ajesara is not antibody

MuttleyLaff:
I already said you were self conceited

I have said I dont really want to go hard with you. You do not worth the effort.

I could see you are trying hard to force Ajesara protein theory into a spiritual phenomenon which is wrong. Even while I am trying to correct your mistake. . . .you are only trying hard and fightin tough on a wrong premises.

Ajesara is vaccine which could help produce antibodies. This Ajesara is called Abere ajesara by the popular yoruba speaking people. Now, what you refuse to see is that abere-ajesara is different from Ajesara in the spiritual sense.

You actually can not deny ajesara is vaccine and also abere ajesara is vaccine too. Moreso, Ajesara which you cant deny in Yoruba spiritual sense include Okigbe. You and I know that this does not have anything to do with protein or immunizing injection.

So instead of forcing your way through ajesara, you could come clean by including abere or simply saying antibodies. You dont just blab around with the complexity of yoruba language else you go lost.

MuttleyLaff:
I told you, for lack of an actual or exact translation, and for you to relate, I had to do with referring antibodies as "ajẹ sara" for you.
You even tried too hard to translate antibodies
and ended up mistakenly referring to it as "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" or immunisation vaccine

I WASN'T talking of "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" or immunisation vaccine but was talking about the naturally forming antibodies "ajẹ sara"

Thank you for reminding me of Google Translate which you endorse, as it reliably has translated antibodies to mean "ti inu ara" and not "ajẹ sara" which I borrowed as a translation

This is spot on, a very good and close translation, as antibodies are inside the bodies truly, just as I have kept on saying

Stop crying over a splitted milk.

What you were referring to is Antibodies and not ajesara. They are too different things so why would you apply them as one?

Another thing is that you turn around accusing me of mistakenly translating Antibibodies to Abere Ajesara and Immunization vaccine. Meanwhile, you failed to realise that vaccine work by inducing Blymphocytes to produce antibodies. The best to do since there is no word for antibodies in Yoruba is to beat it down to it working process through Abere ajesara.

There is nothing like natural forming of antibodies in Yoruba. You only make yourself foolish by relaying terminology that doesnt have relation to an expression here thereby you loose a ground.

Ti inu ara as well does not make any sense. Antibodies is not ti inu ara in Yoruba. Ti inu ara means that of the body. This does not equate antibodies.

MuttleyLaff:
The thread is about death from coming into contact with a shrine and its artsfacts
why are you single-minded and obsessed with protection one from a knife cut
Did I miss something, did the youth die from knife cuts?

Okigbe (knife cut) has to do with Ajesara which you popped up.

MuttleyLaff:
It's accessible from my end
Dont know if its down to your dodgy service provider, crappy phone or the contention ratio where you are

antibodies is not ajesara. Accessing the link wont prove otherwise.

MuttleyLaff:
As you would soon notice below, I was talking of protection from bacterial and viral infection by "ti inu ara",
it is you who keeps bringing in this claptrap about guarding oneself from being dared or disrespected
You are so thick about antibodies, you havent a clue of its make-up and what it does
All you want to do, is howl in agony about protecting oneself from bullet penetration etc
when all we are talking about is protection from a viral or bacterial attack

why cant you simply say antibodies? Why fussing that into ajesara?

MuttleyLaff:
Yeah crap. As earlier said, thank you as I completely forgot about Google Translate
Didnt think it will have a translation for antibodies
It says it is "ti inu ara" which is very true, as antibodies are inside the body used by the immune system as earlier all along was saying

Check what ti inu ara is in english. Does it give you antibodies back? Your arrogance knows no bound.

MuttleyLaff:
Meanwhile FOLYKAZE was doing his worst, trying his best to make us believe antibodies are immune vaccination or antibiotics

Nope, vaccination work by inducing Blymphocytes to produce antibodies.

When ajesara doesnt work, you resorted to blackmailing.

MuttleyLaff:
"The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off "

In the field it is what is called syllogism

Your premises is wrong. Still from ya head. Your brain doesnt tell you some women went into the shrine after the epidemy. So the shrine been home of diesease is ruled out.

9jacrip:
Oh, if he can, he should endeavour to mix up with awos in the hinterlands.

Baba, abeg learn more O.

The only character close to the role Jesus played was Moremi's son. He was sacrificed to save the people and it happened during Ogun or Oranmiyan's kingship periods.

I do not know the role Jewesun but ascribing it to Jesus comes to me as fraud.

I am knowing Moremi and her son story for the first time.

Can you pls provide link to where I can read more about this story or maybe share it with us here.

The Jewesun account appears like a fraud to me too.

9jacrip:
I do not know who Ajala is, never heard of him.

There is too much to learn anyways.

But I know for sure, Obatala moulds the head.

Amomotan kan o si.

Download this for a good read. I believe it will help.

https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/91439/original/AjalatheChoiceofOri.pdf

MuttleyLaff:
No!.
Never said antibodies are body armours, that's you doing confused.com
Didnt say it is an invisible or physical clothing, worn to protect against gunfire or that it stops sharp objects from penetrating the body.

I was been too soft on you but it seem you want to prove doggy.

Ajesera popularly known as abere ajesara is called vaccination in english. Here is a link for help https://translate.google.com/m?hl=en&sl=yo&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&prev=_m&q=ajesara

So what the hell are you trying to prove?

Vaccination does not have anything to do with Yoruba spirituality. I dont know why you are trying to force this crap into my ancestry system.

I have told you what ajesara mean in our spiritual circle. Example i s Okigbe. So I dont know how protein protect one from knife cut.

MuttleyLaff:
No. You're doing another confused.com

Will reply to this comment later as in later below

Have you not heard "if at first you don't succeed, try, try again"
It is accessible now,
if not, just link on the "What are Humanized Monoclonal Antibodies?" link on the left side bar

Still not accessible from my end.

Yet again, nothing on google from your post explain how ajesara guild one from been dared or disrespected. You need to explain how protein protect one from bullet penetration.

MuttleyLaff:
For lack of an actual or exact translation, and for you to relate, I had to do with referring antibodies as "ajẹ sara" for you.
You are even trying too hard to translate antibodies
and have ended up mistakenly referring to it as "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" or immunisation vaccine
I was talking of "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" or immunisation vaccine but was talking about the naturally forming antibodies "ajẹ sara"

Crap. What is this https://translate.google.com/m?hl=en&sl=yo&tl=en&ie=UTF-8&prev=_m&q=ajesara?

Ajesara is called vaccination in yoruba.

MuttleyLaff:
I careless of Oluwo, Babalawo or priest taking "useless" vaccine when there is "enough agbo in the pot and ere in cups"
but talking of the Chief Priest in this thread having an immune system of antibodies strong enough to resist and ward of getting infected by the bacteria or viruses

Lol

This deduction is from ya head.

This s mere saying. . . .nothing to prove ya point.

Did you test the oluwo immune system?

Ma pe aja lobo fun mi joor.

MuttleyLaff:
You see yourself now, I am and was talking of resistance to bacteria or viral attack
and not protection from physical attack such as from cutlass, knife, guns or any other sharp object.

There is aporo for the shiiit you talking about.

MuttleyLaff:
As said, "ajẹ sara" is the closest word in yoruba parlance, best suit to translate antibodies as


Now is payback time and a good place to reply to a comment I promised earlier to later do

I am getting tired of this crap.

Just tell me the chief priest injected himself with immunizing drugs.

MuttleyLaff:
You cant stop being ignorant or stop playing dumb and pretending not to know or understand
because are so self conceited and overly involved or preoccupied with osanyin and a maze of other mumbo jumbo

I know logicboy when he writes. Dont bring Osanyin when you know that you would run away when challenged.

MuttleyLaff:
You are so super into shiiiit. You're so full of shiiit, you're a pro, you're the "pro" in coprophilia.

ouch!!!!

MuttleyLaff:
Notice I can retaliate and return in kind,
as in, if you dont want to be civil in your posts or courteous in your replies, I can give as good as I get.


Antibodies are given to us at birth from our mothers and we also naturally make more of them in the body ourselves
We are talking about antibiotic or immunisation vaccine, like you're ignorantly claiming or misleading all to believe antibodies to be.

If according to you, Mr Intelligence, antibiotic in Yoruba is called aporo, what is antibodies in yoruba called then?


What you ignorantly rubbished and downplayed as silly protein,
is actually, a bunch of life saving Y-shaped specialized immune protein molecules used to attack the spread of bacteria and viruses in the body or compromised organs

Dont know where you got "Protein gives person more respect, or lets a person be daring" from.


Like earlier, will not dignify the above with a comment


I've made the distinction between "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" and "ajẹsara" as not the same thing
It's you interpreting antibodies or "ajẹsara" as "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" or immunisatiojn vaccine
and this is what you are finding hard to get your head round or learn

*unfollows thread

cheers

9jacrip:
Lol you can always befriend babalawos and show you're willing to initiate in the long run, they'll give you tidbits. The little I know about Ifa were/are taught to me by my fellow awos who also initiated into Ifa, I am yet to do mine.

I know what you meant by divine and yes you can divine with ikin. You recite a chant, pack the whole ikin at once, if it you have 2 balls left, you'll press one odu with your middle finger on the sand or opan ifa with iyerosun dust, if you have 1 ball left left you'll press press 2 with middle finger and second to the little finger. You repeat this process for times till an Odu surfaces.

Whatever Odu you get is what Ifa is trying to tell you about whateever it is you divine about - the day, job, money, family, business etc.

You'll take this Odu to an awo who will interprete recite the odu verse and interpret it to you and tell you what Ifa needs to do.

You can divine with Obi, Owo eyo, ikin and Opele but the latter is the most accurrate and solid for an awo.

This your friend should not restrict himself to one awo. He has taken the first step of itefa, he should be free to mingle and bond with babalawos wherever he meets them. I hope not in Lagos sha?

He work in lagos.

I think Opele is the simplest form of divination among others. And I know two Odu when Ifa is cast. That is Eji Ogbe and Oyeku meji. The rest I don use am chop.



We have derailed enough. Can we pls talk about Jewesun? Do you think this character is Jesus as some claimed?

9jacrip:
I know Awo Wande Abimbola very well sir .

Sir, if you can, ask the awo or have your friend ask him which of the Orisas have the divine authority or ase.

No doubt, Esu has ase which was given to him by Olodumare but Obatala is the one who holds the ultimate ase.

Please read this, though I hate to cite online sources for discussions such as this but I think this is from a reputable awo.



Orunmila only helps the head re-adjust.




http://oyekuofun.org/what-is-ori/

I know Orunmila is Odudu ti n du ori emere. And eleri ipin. But the creation of Ori I know is that of Ajala. The story add that he fries Ori and store them in his house.

The Odu from which Abimbola cited Ajala moulding Ori is OGBEGUNDA. Here is the itan:

Ise meta ni omori odo nse
Ka fi ori re gun iyan
ka fi idi re gun elu
ka fi agbede-meji re ti ilekun dain-dan-in dan in
Awon ni won difa fun
Oriseku omo Ogun
Won ki fun Ori liemere Omo Ija
Won difa fun Afuwape
Omo bibi Inu agbonmiregun
Nijo ti won nlo ile Ajala-mopin
Lo ree yan Ori
Won ni ki won rubo
Afuwape nikan lo mbe leyin to mebe
Ori Afuwape wa sun won ja
Won ni awon ko mo ibi olori gbe yan Ori o
Awon ko ba lo yan ti awon
Afuwape da won lohun wipe:
Ibikan naa la ti gbe yan Ori o
Kadara ko papo ni.


In english

A pestle performs three functions:
It pounds yam
It pounds indigo
It is used as a bar lock behind the door.
Cast divination for Oriseku, Ori-ilemere, and
Afuwape
When they were going to choose their destinies
in Ajala Mopin's domain.
They were asked to perform rituals.
Only Afuwape performed the rituals.
He therefore became very successful.
The others lamented that had they known
where Afuwape chose his own Ori, they
would have gone there for their own too.
Afuwape responded that even though their
Ori were chosen in the same place, their
destinies differed.

Ajala Mopin means the moulder of Ipin.



I dont know how you mean when you said Obatala is the alase. But what I mean in my own case is that Esu is the keeper of all ase. And he gives it to Orisha when need be.

I will always try to make further enquiry on Obatala and ultimate Ashe.

9jacrip:
You can divine with it.

I explained if here:

...bless these seeds daily with seamans or blood, depends on which you want and you can divine with the seeds - you recite a chant and attempt to pack these seeds at once for a number of times and whatever amount of seed remains between 1 or 2 will determine what odu you'll press on the board of iyerosun or sand which you'll then interprete from what the odu says and apply it to you.

You are expected to divine with it daily and be able to either interprete the odu or have a babalawo interprete it for you.

Most babalawo would not tell you this or teach you the basic interpretations in order to leep you on the leash as most would not want to go to Igbo Odu to complete the process - the process which is very very key.

I'm sure you're aware the itefa/ko ifa kuro ninu epo brings aje boom the first 2 years?

You are very correct with the bold. It is called Ela- (something). I dont know joor. I am not a bad student. . . .no one there to carry me along.

As par divining, my friend does not know how to divine. He only consult his awo when he have issue. And prays to his Ikin on daily basis.

When I say divine pls note that I do not mean casting ikin like old felas do with Obi when praying ans say Obi 'yan' that is prayer is accepted. I mean divining to know what the day have in pulse for that person.

I guess Itefa is samething as Pinodu?

9jacrip:
No, I do not.

Yes, there's Ela also known as Orunmila.

I was refering to the Ela relation to Jesus comment as most people often believe Ela Oluorogbo was Moremi's only son whom she sacrificed for Ife people.

Ela Oluorogbo's temple is at Ife, just tell a bikeman to lead you to or take you to Oluorogbo temple towards Oja Ife - Oke Ogbo road.

Ela as Orunmila appears in this oriki:

Ti a ba ji, a we wo toni, a we se kasin owuro
Ti a ba ji, a tun wa fi aso toki bo'ra
Mo ni Orunmila, o ji ire loni
Ela, o ji're loni
Morohuntolu, Mosiakaraba, Omo erin nfon gun l'alo
Omi eekanna owo ko k'ekun ara abe
Omo abeto winniwinni b'eji ro p-imo akunnu
Omo Olobe to fi ori jo ade to mo odi umo jimo
Ifa mo pe,
Orunmila mi pe
Ela mo pe omo oyigi
Eteti ke gbure
aaya olupe, upe reire o X 3.



I am asking for the temple where Yoruba writing is.

I didnt say Ela son of Moremi is Jesus. What I said is that Jewesun could be Jesus. I am not really sure if he is. I really want to know who Jewesun, son of Eledumare is.

9jacrip:
You're not getting my point baba.

I have not stated being initiated has to do with having it as a career or for job, no.

Every Yoruba person in order to be guided along what ori itself expect of us is expected to tefa, bo ifa, wo igbo odu, learn and be able to inteprete these odus all of which would be to the use of the individual everytime he wakes up every morning to know what the ori requires for the day, things to be expected and things to be done.

Owning an Ifa will let you know if you're meant to be an Ode, what type of animals you should hunt, days you should go and things to do before going out to hunt.

Modernity is the reason many confuse Ifa to be a thing reserved for certain people.

Itefa is the first stage where one if given some seeds and ifa is invoked into them, you'll then bless these seeds daily with seamans or blood, depends on which you want and you can divine with the seeds - you recite a chant and attempt to pack these seeds at once for a number of times and whatever amount of seed remains between 1 or 2 will determine what odu you'll press on the board of iyerosun or sand which you'll then interprete from what the odu says and apply it to you. Itefa is just the first stage which lasts for just a year.

After which you'll then enter Igbo Odu (the initiation) if you wish, where the seeds will then be converted to opele or ikin for you and the spirit invoked to align with your ori and soul which you carry forever.

Either one you do, you do not have to become a babalawo (a member of an awo) but most people do in order to learn deeper Ifa odus, herbs, rituals etc.

I understand most of these things you write here.


I dont know how it at your side but here, those that 'ko Ifa kuro ninu epo' ie Itefa only pray to there own Ifa. They dont know how to divine with the ikin or understand Odu. They pray with Oti abuda and bless the day. When it comes to divination, they consult there awo.

9jacrip:
Ha LOL!

Obatala, alamorere tin mori omotuntun, jo wa bi wa tun ori wa se.

Bros, I cannot give you proofs since you're an Obatala initiate.

Esu does not own ase.

Obatala, Alabalase.

He is the one every other deities go to for ase.

Ogun did not make bones bros, his only role was that he paved way for Orisas when coming down to earth and he was war like.

You're mixing these things up.

I hate using online sources for discussions such as these as most writers are surface but google 'Alabalase' or ask your awo.

I get most of info from books.

Wande Abimbola is a respected babalawo which you I believe you know very well.

I dont really want to argue this with you but I think it is seriously needed.

According to Wande Abimbola, Esu has all the Ase to which he gives Orisha. In page vi of Oju Odu, he wrote in the book that Orunmila does not have bone in his body. And Orunmila has to use Ase from Esu if he really wants to do anything. Abimbola narrate the story of Eleye when they were coming to Aye. The Eleye asked Orunmila that back to Aye to which Orunmila replied them that he has no bone. But after relentless plea, Orunmila too Ashe from Esu and he brought the Eleye to Aye. In page xxiii, it is noted there that all the ajoguns are Esu servant and Esu delivers sacrifice to them. Samething happens to Orishas. It is Esu duty to take sacrifice to them and he takes 5% for himself. So Esu is the mediator between Ajogun, Orisha and we humans. And it boldy written there that Esu ni alase fun gbogbo Orisa. I guess you are mixing Orisha-nla up with Oni-ashe.


On creation, in page xiii titled oro nipa ori, ese ati aya; it is stated there that Orisanla (Obatala) built the body (ara), Olodumare gave the lifeless body Emi whil Ogun moulded the bone. And in Ajala house we took our Ori from. According to the write-up, in Odu Ogbegunda, the story of how we choose our Ori is told there. Ajala is said to be drunkard and debtor who handle Ori carelessly when mudding it.

I want you to know that Orunmila is been refer to as 'odudu ti i duri emere, T'o tun ori eni sunwon se'. Does this make Orunmila maker of Ori?


In Asa ati Orisa, there is a song there that touched Obatala as been creator of body.

Eni s'oju s'emu
Orisa ni ma a sin
Adani b'o ti ri
Orisa ni ma a sin




as for asking my awo. I dont have a particular awo. I have a friend who is initiated. That is own Ifa which I do follow up when he want to consult his baba. The oldman will only give me chance to ask things from Ifa. Any other questions wont be answered. He will only turn me around with big proverb and songs that hold no meaning to me.

9jacrip:
Give me odus these were mentioned please?

Yes, the writing still exists. If you go to the temple in Ife, you'll see them that were retained.

Do you have the book Oju Odu merindinlogun?

I can only cite pages of the book as my reference. I cannot type the whole stuff here.

Which temple pls? There are lot of temple in Ife.

MuttleyLaff:
Med? Typical of you, treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humour

Can you for a minute please stop being ignorant or stop playing dumb and pretending not to know or understand

Antibodies also called immunoglobulins, or "ajẹ sara" for you,
are large Y-shaped proteins which are used to identify and help remove foreign antigens or targets such as viruses and bacteria

We all, at birth, get a certain fair good amount of antibodies from our mothers,
as our immune system depends on, relies on and calls up on the antibodies to fight against infection.

Also as we grow up and get exposed to dirt, germs, bacteria etc we acquire more antibodies to build up our immune system, as the immune system uses the antibodies to fight the germs etc to protect us getting infection from them

When people go and exhume dead bodies from God knows what kind of death the dead body died from
then an epidemic of this nature or widespread occurrence of an infectious disease like this in a community is bound to happen


Experts are baffled and at the moment are outwitted by the bacteria or viruses causing this.

The jury even, is still out, undecided, on what befell the youth
some attribute it, to the youth exhuming a dead decomposed body,
some say sacrilege from entering the shrine and desecrated it, brought this on,
some say stolen from their shrine by taking objects from it caused this.

Without doubting, this is a bacterial or viral infections, sad thing is they dont know yet which bacteria or virus is causing the death


You first need to know what you are confronting or fight against
as earlier said, they dont know yet which bacteria or virus is causing the death

At the moment the official statement from Ondo State Governor, Dr Olusegun Mimiko, is that the symptoms observed in Ode-Irele bear no resemblance to those associated with the Ebola Virus Disease or any known epidemic disease

The anti-bodies that could have been used in the hospital might come in handy when the infection they atre facing is known or identified


Cant dignify the above with a comment


People have and are already taking 'ise or aseje' to lab and turning all spiritual art to scientific practices.
Take a note of this from this educating site: http://pdl.com/technology-products/what-are-humanized-monoclonal-antibodies/

So it 'aje-sara' which you called protein that makes sharp object from penetrating the body?

Okigbe is protein and anti-body?


Some felas are just sick.



Your website is not accessible.

Your arrogance stinks Mr. I think what you call ajesara is the popular abere ajesara which is immunisation vaccine.

Those who read your gilberish would think you are intelligent without knowing that your ignorance have no boundary. Do Oluwo use vaccine too? What happens to Agunmu and Aseje?

Babalawo or the priest dont take useless vaccine when we have enough agbo in the pot and ere in cups.

When you say Ajesara, I thought you were referring to charms taken into the body either by swallowing or incision. What they take in usually are cowries, little calabash (also called ado for those that seeso) or animal and bird burnt to ashes. This does not serve as anti-bodies but protect one from physical attack usually from cutlass or knife or any sharp object.

Problem of not having charm at hand when needed especially from time and place factor is what brought aje-sara into Yoruba system. Therefore it will be in there body for as long as it is needed. There is no way protein could stop knife from penetrating the body.

Here is the list of charm yoruba folks 'je sara'

- okigbe (serve for preventing sharp object penetration).

- madarikan (it serve purpose of preventing folks from daring us).

- eyonu (it serve the purpose of dilutting other person anger toward you).

- ifura (vigilance).

- owo (respect).

That is for that.

Antibiotic in Yoruba is called aporo and not ajesara. Irele has lot of aporo when it comes to different disease. This is something you can buy from market. And note, there is nothing proteinous in our aporo unless you provide a scientific report to prove otherwise.

Ajesara is not producing any silly protein. Protein does not give person more respect, it does not stop person from been dared. You are the one trying hard to make sense out of your nonsense.

And dont forget, you fit into eni ti aye nse ti oun lo ogun eje. Someone been attacked spiritually that went ahead to use blood tonic. You are only decieving yourself.

Abere ajesara is not ajesara. They are two different things. This is what you should learn to know

macof:
Ehn that's possible.

Do you remember that Orunmila is called 'erigi alo'?

The stories in Ifa may be real but most are not real.

What ya about Jewesun?

Akin1212:
is there a God or god that people dont pray to?

Stop fooling yourself bro. Capitalization doesnot make a God anything special.

Even your bible attest that God is god.

MuttleyLaff:
special proteins that the immune system relies upon bro
special proteins not your ordinary proteins
Without them, we all be in big shiiiit, will be dead meats,
be in serious trouble like those youths
and at the mercy of bacteria and viruses

Med.

Experts did not say those youth were infected with bat or vir. If that is the issue, there are anti-bodies that could have been used in the hospital. So stop trying hard to make sense from your nonsense.

You are the typical description of eleni ti aye n se ti o logun eje. Since you said aje-sara gives people special protein then we should take 'ise or aseje' to lab and turn all spiritual art to scientific practices.

plaetton:
^^^
And if I might add, we should hasten to appease the goddess and then perhaps beseech her to be co-opted into our national defence forces and strategy.
Just imagine the quick victory we could score over the Arab tokumbo inspired Boko haram when these deluded jihadist start dropping like flies over mysterious illnesses, courtesy of our beloved, but fearsome goddess.

Exalt what I want from lots.

I think we should move away from rituals and others and move to tapping developmental knowledge from this deities.

With Osanyin, medical expert should drill out knowledge of herbs. This would bring improvement to our health section. And also steer us back ho,e rather than running to foreign countries. This alone will attract lot of people.

Akin1212:
you really are God and after reading you still cant figure out what the ish is? So much for being god tho

If your God knows what the ish is, why do you guys always pray to him?

Does that stop him from been God?

9jacrip:
Ela was the god that brough writing to Ife. Has nothing to do with Jesus.

@ bold

Do you really mean Yoruba people have ability of writing? Can you pls show us example of our alphabet outside the latin-yoruba ABD? How did we lost this?

And again, I thought Orunmila is the same individual called Ela. I was suprised when I was reading Asa ati Orisa, I came across one Orisha called which is different from Orunmila. Meanwhile in Ifa corpus from Oju Odu, Orunmila is been referred to as Ela. Which is wrong or right?

Who is Jewesun?


I hope you know that Ifa made mention of Slave trade between Yoruba people and Larubawa and Oyinbo? I hope you know Ifa made mention of Imale? So why is Jesus different?

9jacrip:
Flat lie!

Organized religion slave alert!

And this Jewesun is what pls?

macof:
Yes Opele in history was a human being, Orunmila's slave. It just so happens that Orunmila named his divination chain - Opele or as you said turned him into his divination chain

I dont think the account his real.

It more like metaphoric expression for teaching.

9jacrip:
Wrong!

Every family in Yorubaland is linked to one deity or the other. By default, every Yoruba man should be a member of his lineage's awo.

There is nothing wrong here sir. Been a babalawo or Onisegun as my chosen career would have to align with what my Ori have in place for me. How would I know if I am to become Ode (hunter) and not Onisegun without my Ori?

Ori lo nise

9jacrip:
In addition, Ifa is the guidebook for every individual in Yoruba land and by default everyone should tefa/wo igbo odu.

Itefa and going to Igbo Odu is for initiates.

9jacrip:
Being a babalawo is when you initiaye Ifa and become part of an Ijo. You can initiate Ifa, learn Odu and interpretations for personal day to day use from random babalawos and not be affiliated to any awo. The reason why many become babalawo (member of an Ijo/awo) is to enable them deepen their knowledge in Ifa which is extremely broad.

I guess this is what my people call "gba'fa". In general term, they will say 'O ko Ifa kuro ninu epo'. I know that this can be done by random Babalawo BUT this people do not 'gbo' Ifa. They have the Ikin to which they make sacrifice to. They do not know about divination.

9jacrip:
Akobi eledumare is Obatala.

The deity who work (ed/s) with eledumare to carve Ori (individual dynamics) and the only deity that owns the ase.

Psssssssst!

Wrong Sir.

Unless you give us some backup, there is nowhere in Ifa corpus that is stated that Obatala is Akobi Olodumare. I repeat, Obatala is not akobi Olodumare unless you prove otherwise. Right I know that Obatala was the one Olodumare gave the creation task to in the fisrt place. This does not make him the first child.

Ajala was the one that carved Ori not Obatala. Obatala was the one that moulded Ara while Ogun moulded Egun (bone).

Esu owns the whole Ase as he is the one Olodumare gave the ase to.

MuttleyLaff:
The shrine and all in it, rightly is a breeding ground for disease in a not-germ-free surroundings
The shrine is a disease ridden place because of the fetish activities carried out in it,
the place and its artifacts over the years are often in an unclean state and unhygienic conditions


OK, lets do this in the local or shrine parlance you will be comfortable with

The Chief Priest has "ajẹ sara". We all have "ajẹ sara" in us and different efficient or effective levels of immune system

"Ajẹ sara" is produced in our bodies and helps it combat aliens it comes into contact with

"Ajẹ sara" are special proteins that the immune system produces to help protect the body against these alein bacteria and viruses

"Ajẹ sara" will combine chemically with substances which the body recognizes as alien, such as bacteria, viruses and foreign substances in the blood picked up from places like that shrine and objects in it like those artifacts

The chief priest's immune system is strong and resistant to the bacteria, viruses and foreign substances in the shrine or on the artifact
obviously his immune resistance to the bacteria etc is passed down the genes through heredity and the immune system also built up over the years

The Malokun boys, Aworo, Omo-awo (students) and consultants might not be that as lucky as the Chief Priest in regards area of the "Ajẹ sara" or antibodies. Sorry


As earlier said, disinfect the shrine and all thats in it,
note doing this, is to destroy or prevent the growth of these disease-carrying microorganisms
then going in and out of the shrine after that, for you, I and all, will be just like taking a pleasant, skipping walk in the park with diddly squat repercussion

Aje sara produce protein?

Load of shiiiit.

MuttleyLaff:
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You unknowingly spotted the truth.
You hit the nail on the head about this being a disease, because the shrine is a disease ridden place,
rightly a breeding ground for disease over the years, if not centuries

The shrine and the artifacts in it are so contaminated with all sorts of germs and bacteria that they pose a danger to public health

The youth, quite rightly have bitten more than they can chew because they entered a place which is bacterial infested

That place, the shrine and its artifacts, will give human illnesses caused by infection with either disease-causing bacteria or viruses.
These disease-causing bacteria or viruses, upon contact with the body or after gaining access to the body, will ravage it.

It will be doomsday for anyone that comes into contact with the shrine, without antibodies like those the Chief Priest has in him,
obviously the antibodies in the Chief Priest have been built up and passed down in his genes through heredity

Disinfect the shrine and all thats in it, doing this to destroy or prevent the growth of these disease-carrying microorganisms
and going in and out of the shrine after that, will be just like taking a pleasant, skipping walk in the park.

There are some intelligence in your post but the bulk is misleading, fairy tale and scaremongering

Notice brother that I havent brought religion, faith or "dead on stick jew and the blood sucking terrorist mohaMAD" in to this

When you think someone would wise up, you will see them drawing straw after been bitten black and blue.

Who told you the priest use antibodies when they want to enter the shrine? Are there no people there? The Malokun boys, Aworo, Omo-awo (students) and consultants there too use anti bodies shey?

Why cant you just go there with your antibodies, destroy the shrine and wait for repercussion?

I am God.

So what is the problem

imbless:
Crap

Bad belle is allowed.

The Gods have spoken.

While your dead jew hung on wood lifeless

johnydon22:
.

He said the gods are not dead or asleep.

Mr, I know the way to Malokun Shrine. I will give you direction sir. You will be allowed to destroy and take away artifact from the shrine while we wait for wrath from Malokun herself.

Believe me, there is no capsule or cyrup that can cure your own infested disease.

When I told my atheist friends that the Gods are not dead or asleep, they would think I am superstitious.

When I told my christian and muslim friends that the Gods in Africa land are powerful and potent than the dead on stick jew and the blood sucking terrorist mohaMAD, they wont let me have peace.

Scientist should be scared of superpower now. This is the disease that is not known or have remedy. I think they need to start learning how to make rituals.

The Gods have proven themselves. This is what we call swift response. Church and Mosque could have been ransacked but do not dare destroy the shrine of the Gods. You will surely get yourself blame immediately.

The Youth have bitten more than they can chew. They should be punished accordingly though I do not wish them death. I wish they could be alive today, return what they have stolen and appeal to the Gods.

Rilwayne001:
Well, I'm still thinking about the literal meaning of "jewesun" as you noticed up there i.e. 'let the leaf sleep' is not in anyway compatible with Jesus. Perhaps it means "peace", don't you think?

Akobi Eledumare is compatible with Jesus.

That is the issue

dominicson:
I think you have a very long way to go, and I doubt you can be enlightened on this issue without you first becoming a student initiate of Ifa.

Aside Jewesun, you should also learn some Ifa verses that discuss Ela and Imi.

I tell you Jesus the son of Marry, Jesus the son Eledumare and all did appear in Ifa corpus time countless.

I hereby encourage you to proceed in your quest for knowledge, bet you are going to enjoy it.

I really have interest learning Ifa but I dont have enough time for that. My job not giving me timespace.

Pray tell me sir, how did Jesus who could have existed 2000yrs ago in Israel meet Orunmila who live 10,000 yrs ago in Ile-ife? Can you also share your knowledge about Jesus in Ifa with us? I have an interest in this.

I have a strong passion for Ifa. And I know that in the day not far, I will have my Ikin.

Orisha a'gbe wa.