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I think this depend on how one define religion. In another perspective, religion goes beyond worshipping a deity in an organised circle. Most importantly, definitions of religion sometimes do not cover most religion across the world. . . . .so when we try to get a definition that covers all form of religion, I dont think atheism would be exceptional.

Sometimes ago, I found in Oxford dictionary that football is a religion. Are the form of deity worshipping in football? Could the dictionary be wrong?

So to start with, tell us comprehensively what religion is. I believe we will ascertain if atheism falls into it.

From the dictionary, religion is

1. the belief in a god or in a group of gods

2. an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

3. an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

The Ist and 2nd is ruled out while atheism attracts the 3rd definition.

Religion from the 3rd definition goes beyond deity or form of worship. For example,

Hockey is a religion in Canada.
Politics are a religion to him.
Where I live, high school football is religion.
Food is religion in this house.

Therefore, hockey game, football, politics and even food become a religion.

In another round, the 3rd definition could be explain as A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion. Atheists, especiallly evangelist atheists are very devoted to the course of convincing religionist that God doesnt exist. Atheists are devoted to upholding the principles of reason, scientific knowledge, and critical thinking. Not only that, atheists generally pursuit interest in living outside God. These boil down to 3rd definition of religion. Atheism uphold some form of devotion, interest and activities that is very important to their personal or general lives. This make it a godless religion.


While surfing the internet, I came across this:

Sociologists study religion as both a belief system and a social institution. As a belief system, religion shapes what people think and how they see the world. As a social institution, religion is a pattern of social action organized around the beliefs and practices that people develop to answer questions about the meaning of existence. As an institution, religion persists over time and has an organizational structure into which members are socialized.

http://sociology.about.com/od/Disciplines/a/Sociology-Of-Religion.htm


Opitz added meaning to religion. He said, your religion is the fundamental way you approach, understand, and evaluate all subjects.

Note the bolden and colored pls.

Let me show you atheism fuss into religion from the definition above. . . .

1. Atheism shape the way atheists think and how they view the world.

A. Moral view

B. Existencism

C. Big bang theory of universe origin.

There are lot more atheism has changed in mode of thinking and view of the world but let me choose on that three for now.

Do you ever thought of morality not from God? Do you consider rationality of an action and know how different it is from the religious ones? What about origin of the universe? Atheism influence lot to unravel stuff without God. They view the world as an entity that have nothing to do with God.

2. Atheism negation of creationism brought about darwinism. The new movement propel darwinsim as an existencial theory.

3. There is already a church of atheism, forum and association which uphold socialization.


Conclusively, atheism is a religion because it encompass the scope religion.



Thirdly,

I must confess, I dont understand your intention with this thread.

Can you pls break it down to my level?

Sarassin:
Of course not! Don't take my word for it. You could practice and develop your own abilities.

You believe in the supernaturals?

What is your stance on supernatural events?

9jacrip and macof. Una don throw me into the Ogberi camp.

I dont even know from which angle I can walk through in.

Good job guys

I am seriously in need of Innjoo F2. But I dont want to take the risk on jumia with lot of complains people make about them.

Pls how is your Innjoo F2? Is it something good to go with?

Akin1212:
I disagree, this is not coherent neither is it articulate

That is what I have on whom God is.

On another round, God is any person or thing that has dominion and it is been worshipped

Akin1212:
saying you are clueless is not an insult, it's just a description of the situation... i can be clueless too, anybody can be....
the issue of issue Jesus is not the bone of contention, it's who God is

God is any being that has ability of knowing what is good and bad.

isalegan2:
A Rabbi is standing up for Jesus, huh? Smart Jewish lobby - using Evangelical Christians as Zionist pawns since before the Intifada.

Pray with him, and end it with "in Jesus name" and watch his reaction.

There are many Jesus in Italy abeg.

Akin1212:
I only told you Jesus is not God, is that a way of arguing for christians?

Sound like non-trinitarian christians.

So what are you if you aint a christian?

Akin1212:
inasmuch as i'll like to discuss this issue of who God is, i'd like to do so intellectually. pls and pls dont e-insult me, i have moved on from that level of exchanging online insults, and i wont come down to doing that either today or any other time. so pls respect yourself and behave mature

Oh you see.

You are playing the innocent card.

That is foolish of you when you have called me clueless.

Anyway, lets do it maturely. What you got to say when Jesus was been called God by his disciple?

Akin1212:
How did I argue for christianity ?

Jesus is bla bla bla.

Akin1212:
That's my post from yesterday, I think it says it all. I think you are clueless, you seem not to pay attention

And when I answered you, your head was blocked from deciphering what I posted. Oh I guess I didnt spell it out for you.

John 20:28

28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”


Who did he call God in that verse?

Dumbo!

sniperwolf:
Please I need education on these, who created darkness and water since these things existed before God?

Read this

Isaiah 45:7 KJV
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

As par water, I dont know abeg

Water, air and energy are there before God

^^^^ Christinsane on the loose.

Akin1212:
What do you know about those you mentioned? Don't just come here and raise unintelligent arguments, they won't be welcomed
If you are learned enough, you'd know Allah is a way of saying God in Arabic
Obatala is not God, he is rather a god, he is an orisha and the aborisha believes he was sent to earth by the Olodumare which means God in yoruba.
Brahma according to wikipedia was called a god, not God. He was born. Self born as his followers believe.
Jehova is a name given to God by the hebrews, it's just like saying Olorun/ Olodumare in yoruba or Chineke in igbo.
Seek knowledge, it will heal your cancer of ignorance....

Obatala is not God but Jesus is shey?

Akin1212:
stupidity is what you have been showing on this post........... did i tell you i'm a christian? use your head

fucktar.d don turn to person. I tire for Nairaland o.

Oga free me. If you werent a christian, why are you arguing for christianity?

9jacrip:
The title of the king of Ugbo quaters in Ife is Oluyare.

So you be omo pastor sef

Esin Igbagbo oni ki a ma se oro ile wa.

Dad don sit down put for house some yrs back. And you know C/S is reminisce of Aborisha. Those guys are just fake christians. I have a uncle in lag, he own a church but. . .you barely can separate him from babalawo

9jacrip:
@FolyKaze

@ Macof

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Ever thought of this excerpt:

Kutu Kutu Oba Ugbo

Osan gangan Obamakin

Obatala Oseremagbo


And relate(d) it to Yoruba hours of the day classification:

Aaro Kutu Kutu -- morning

Osan gan gan -- afternoon

The title of Oba in Ugbo kingdom is Ol'ugbo. They are predominantly Ilaje speaking folks.

Zion church founded by Ogunfeyimi Lene has it headquater there. I could remember I went there when my dad became apostle and went for annoiting.

Akin1212:
mtchew...... clueless

stupidity is synonymous to you christian person.

Did Jesus not called we men God in your bible?

SOjaTHug:
when we express ourselves , we need not do so with harsh words. such is the way he has addressed you and your friend who have come to tell him god is God. he posted a dictionary evidence to you and you are now asking if you are babies, well you might be because understanding a simple difference is a very big deal to you bro. this is not a matter of noun or capitalisation, it's a matter of meaning and significance. conventional meanings of god and God cannot be altered by you or anybody.
The question here is if a God, god or gods even exist at all, so don't change the subject matter by your lack of differentiating between God and god

How many times do I have to tell you that I am God?

Yes the bible says Ye are Gods. And I am one

MuttleyLaff:
You must have heard Fela sing water has no enemy
So you too noticed the women, OK, well the women were pouring water to sanitize the place

You could have tell us water kills the virus and bacteria.

MuttleyLaff:
World Health have confirmed its not death caused by a viral or bacterial infection afterall but its something or a disease linked to pesticides

Is your brain functioning at all? Oh, you ate the WHO crap because whiteman said it. How foolish and delusional can you be?

Let me ask you:

what happens to your syllogism here? It becomes lie.

Now reason along. . . .can you tell us how pesticide killed likely 20 young men excluding women, little children and animals?

Could it be that they ate from affected plant thereby took in poisoned but why this particula guys excluding their wives and children? Does this mean the poisoned foor was taken in the forest? Why is it not centred to Irele but we have the illness spread to Ayadi?

Did they drink pakopako. . .committing suicide? There have been case of this in different locations who drank pakopako. Some I know of and this people were saved. Why is this case so mysterious?

If it is pesticide, we could rule in poison. Abeg what is mysterious in poison?

You need to start learning how to use that stuff in your head.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, you came up with Okigbe and protection from knife cuts when I, not necessarily on purpose, rubbed you the wrong way

Thanks you admit you were wrong.

Now arrongance want you to stay in the wrong way.

MuttleyLaff:
No can do, I pass on that
Teacher, teacher, no bi lecturer be una name
Teacher don't teach me nonsense

Dont get your knickers in a twist, you'll pull a muscle if you dont stop

Be in denial if you like, it doesnt stop the world revolving round the orbit

You live in a bubble, I'll tell you that much

Eek! Look I am quaking in my boots. Not!
No weapon that is formed against me will prosper
and every tongue that accuses me in judgment will condemned.

Who wants to be logicboy
I am fearfully and wonderfully made. I am one of a of kind, there arent two of me
I am content being me. Me is enough for me
logicboy can be logicboy, am OK being me and me only.

The truth you cant handle. The truth which will set you free, but currently is pissing you off

I am now and have had enough taking aspirin for another man's headache
Hasta la vista!

And antibodies is not "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" or immunisation vaccine either

foolish liars dont make sense.

MuttleyLaff:
Here you go again on another self conceited ego trip

Because I dont give you chance to penetrate into Ajesara.

MuttleyLaff:
No I am not trying hard to force Ajesara protein theory into any "spiritual phenomenon",
but merely explaining the circumstances behind a natural phenomenon

Just tell me antibodies. We wouldnt have derailed this long.

MuttleyLaff:
It is you who is acting like a billy goat,
you are as stubborn as a mule, not wanting to admit that antibodies which we get from our mothers at birth
and which we also naturally build up to boost our immune system is quite different from "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" or immunisation vaccine

Antibodies is not ajesara.

And I was right on abere ajesara. . . .I gave a wall separating spiritual phenomena from natural view.

MuttleyLaff:
"abẹrẹ kọ, needle abi stringe ni.

Without this, your ajesara will become fallacious

MuttleyLaff:
I told youI borrowed "ajẹsara" for lack of better translation of antibodies.
It was the closest I could think of which I knew you would recognise and relate to
I didnt think Google Translate would have a translation for antibodies
but it actually does and calls antibodies in in yoruba as "ti inu ara"
and calls "ti inu ara" in english as "of body", which makes sense as antibodies are of body, in the body anyway

You are so dumb.

When I say, Oun gan ni o mu oro na wa lati Inu ara re. Does this mean he reason it out from antibodies?

I can forgive google because it not self conscious entity but you wont be forgiven for been dumb and sillly.

MuttleyLaff:
but that is what you did, abi mo parọ mo ẹ ni?

Ask people outside what ajesara is. And you will find out it different from abere ajesara.

And if you dont know that abere ajesara aid production of antibodies, then you are on long thing.

MuttleyLaff:
There are so many natural forming things that is in known or has a yoruba naming,
and it doesnt diminish the fact that they things inspite of not having a yoruba word exists
For examples, what is gay in yoruba, what is transsexual in yoruba, what is transvestite in yoruba?

I dont know.

MuttleyLaff:
FOLYZE! I salute you. Ah why now, irọ ojukoroju, what a big fat lie.
"ti inu ara" means inside the body, and "ti ara" means that of the body

You are seriously insane.

Were you not the one that posted this?

MuttleyLaff:
calls antibodies in in yoruba as "ti inu ara"
and calls "ti inu ara" in english as "of body",

I didnt know that I was discussing with a very deceitful, mischievous, a goon and lunatic who is not intelligent enough to lie and blackmail others smartly.

You make me wonder, why are you trying to make a ground when you already lost out?

MuttleyLaff:
We, I know that

We know that antibodies is not necessarily or really ajesara per se.
The link was proving to you that people already as you wished
are "taking 'ise or aseje' to lab and turning all spiritual art to scientific practices" from this educating site:
http://pdl.com/technology-products/what-are-humanized-monoclonal-antibodies/

This what I got from your useless link:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /technology-products/what-are-humanized-monoclonal-antibodies/ on this server.

MuttleyLaff:
I told I borrowed "ajẹsara" for lack of better translation of antibodies.
It was the closest I could think of which I knew you would recognise and will relate to

Ajesara does not relate to antibodies.

Ma pe aja l'obo funmi

MuttleyLaff:
It calls antibodies in in yoruba as "ti inu ara"
and calls "ti inu ara" in english as "of body", which makes sense as antibodies, are, of body, as in, in the body, anyway

And you actually denied this.

Were you not the one that said I was wrong that ti inu ara is not 'of body'?

Such a foolish deceit you are

MuttleyLaff:
I am glad you've looked things up a bit but laughed at your attempt to gloss over what vaccination really is
Like I have said times without number, we, our bodies produces antibodies to fight infection
Vaccination introduces germs into the body, consequently it induces the immune system to produce antibodies to fight the germs off

This does not show how the priest is indifferent.

MuttleyLaff:
It's you who is on a long thing

As you wish my friend, but observers reading this thread would have been able to fill the syllogism too.

What value will this add to you

syllogism that doesnt explain how chief priest is indifferent?

twosquare:
FOLYKAZE, there is no forcing of any myth into the ifa corpus... At a given point in time there is a contact with other "religions" and "beliefs". You should know that the ifa corpus is not static, it is on the move and by experiences, other things are added. Just like you mentioned the "imale", it was a transcultural contact with others, so if you see something like "jewesun", it is just the experience of the cults then with another belief which will later metamorphose into the ifa chants...

so, when you hear "ka wifun ni kaa gbo awo ile alara, kaa soro fun ni kaa gba awo ijero"...those are historical allusions to ancient cults situated in Ekiti whose attributes are shown in the Ifa chants...likewise,allusions to foreign contact and stories are not excluded too, just to serve its mystic purpose. Everything is hybridized, no culture is monolithic. I can't remember where I heard it but there is something like, "A dia fun Ela, ti n se omo bibi inu olodumare" (I heard that perhaps at age 17 or so)

This is so on point. I understand that Ifa touches some historical event. I was suprised when I read in Obara meji talking about slavery and civilization.

It says:

Baba lo tohun dudu ra dudu
Baba lo tohun pupa ra pupa
Baba lol t'aasaa lo r'eebo
Baba lo tohun funfun lo ra funfun
Baba lo ta Fulani rododo
Baba lo taasaa lo ra Larubaawa

As you can see, the corpus refers to Slavery among our people. It talk about Fulani and how they are been sold to slavery in exchange for flower. It also mention how we sold our culture for europe and arab civilization.

This is undisputed fact. So much I cant dispute 'Jewesub- existence in the time past, I still dont see how the character could be Jesus. Afterall we have seen another 'omo bibi inu Eleduamre. I hold that Jewesun could real but he is not Jesus.

Akin1212:
I'm so surprised tho, but this pictorial evidence of my point should impact knowledge in you. If it doesn't then I can't help both of you

Deal with fact and not pictures. Are we a baby that you explain things with using picture?

You have not addressed God/gods in Exodus 22:28 from two different bible version. And dont forget the Thomas knockout. . . .you cant beat that mehn

9jacrip:
Yes it was a sacrifice indeed to have rendered herself very vulnerable.

Before setting out on the 'adventure' she consulted with the spirit of the esinmirin river (the river still exists). The spirit gave her heads up on what to expect and guaranteed her success in exchange for her son which she had to give up after all of it.

Yes, you're not alone to think the name has roots in SE, the fact that it has now been corrupted to Igbo even makes it worse and confusing to any layman. The interesting part is that the pronunciation is very different - if you're familiar with Yoruba sounds then try following the accents - Ùgbó (as in dodo).

The captured Ugbo people during Moremi's period have a family compound in Ife till today and hold a chieftaincy title. They are said to stay in touch with the Ugbo group in Ondo also.

I think I am missing out on Ugbo people in Ondo state.

Which tribe do they belong among these three; Ikale, Ilaje and Apoi?

I know a settlement after Igbokoda called Ugbo nla. The people settle there are Ilaje though. Does this have anything in relation with Ugbo?

MuttleyLaff:
Bon appetit
but dont bother doing the Arnold Schwarzenegger "I'll be back",
as if you come back in here, you'll be posting to yourself

Learn to live to fight another day

I am just getting with my video game.

And seeing the epistle you have there, I was given a knock off. There is limit to alphabet I can write through this browser I am using. And your post has eaten it up so I am left with splitting the post into four places. Mehn that wont be this night.

By tomorrow, I will give ya a reply.

Thanks and goodnight

MuttleyLaff:
Here you go again on another self conceited ego trip


No I am not trying hard to force Ajesara protein theory into any "spiritual phenomenon",
but merely explaining the circumstances behind a natural phenomenon

It is you who is acting like a billy goat,
you are as stubborn as a mule, not wanting to admit that antibodies which we get from our mothers at birth
and which we also naturally build up to boost our immune system is quite different from "abẹrẹ ajẹsara" or immunisation vaccine


"abẹrẹ kọ, needle abi stringe ni.


I told youI borrowed "ajẹsara" for lack of better translation of antibodies.
It was the closest I could think of which I knew you would recognise and relate to
I didnt think Google Translate would have a translation for antibodies
but it actually does and calls antibodies in in yoruba as "ti inu ara"
and calls "ti inu ara" in english as "of body", which makes sense as antibodies are of body, in the body anyway


but that is what you did, abi mo parọ mo ẹ ni?


There are so many natural forming things that is in known or has a yoruba naming,
and it doesnt diminish the fact that they things inspite of not having a yoruba word exists
For examples, what is gay in yoruba, what is transsexual in yoruba, what is transvestite in yoruba?


FOLYKAZE! I salute you. Ah why now, irọ ojukoroju, what a big fat lie.
"ti inu ara" means inside the body, and "ti ara" means that of the body


We, I know that


We know that antibodies is not necessarily or really ajesara per se.
The link was proving to you that people already as you wished
are "taking 'ise or aseje' to lab and turning all spiritual art to scientific practices" from this educating site:
http://pdl.com/technology-products/what-are-humanized-monoclonal-antibodies/


I told I borrowed "ajẹsara" for lack of better translation of antibodies.
It was the closest I could think of which I knew you would recognise and will relate to


It calls antibodies in in yoruba as "ti inu ara"
and calls "ti inu ara" in english as "of body", which makes sense as antibodies, are, of body, as in, in the body, anyway


I am glad you've looked things up a bit but laughed at your attempt to gloss over what vaccination really is
Like I have said times without number, we, our bodies produces antibodies to fight infection
Vaccination introduces germs into the body, consequently it induces the immune system to produce antibodies to fight the germs off


It's you who is on a long thing


As you wish my friend, but observers reading this thread would have been able to fill the syllogism too.


You must have heard Fela sing water has no enemy
So you too noticed the women, OK, well the women were pouring water to sanitize the place

Make I go chop.

Will be back

macof:
Elohim or elohim it makes no difference. Christians should seek knowledge

He doesnt understand you to that extent. I expect you to drag him into proper and common noun.

Akin1212:
You are talking about Jesus, Jesus is not God.. Lord doesn't mean God. You are mixing it up in your mind I guess..

Jesus is not God?

But Thomas called Jesus both Lord and God in John 20:28? Was he mad then?

macof:
How were you taught to write? Am sure your English teachers took time to tell you to always begin a noun with capitalisation, so writing "god" is a sign of idiocy or lack of education

In real sense however, just as Goat and goat mean the same thing, so does God and god

Try being open to knowledge

God is not a proper noun

Jamean:
A senseless debate!

The name of God and the church of Christ is His Pearl. If it was worth His blood, then it is paramount, special, and vital to Him.

Lets stop permitting all absurdity, turning scriptures to gain points and debating spiritual matters with a canal mind. If we want to be entertained then let's leave the place He has chosen to put His name; the assembly of called out ones, the gathering of His elect.

If we want to catch some fun lets go to the beach, lounge or park, for #ItsChurchNotTheatre#.

We say we see not our signs, we say we lack power, but yet we are...

You are not following the biblical laid doctrine but trying hard to runaway from getting your a.ss exposed.

1 Peter 3:15-16
New International Version (NIV)
15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.



The Op is asking whom God is. And we are pressing to expose that your bible God is a common deity with the bible.

It gone be fun