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OAM4J:
What happens if PDP HOR members team up with Dogara and his supporters against Gbaja on Tuesday?

What is the total number of HOR members?

This is my fear exactly

Op, believe me your post is already destroyed immediately Islam and quran comes in. Atheism has more to do with concept of god than religion. So you suppose to ask atheists what they understand by God and question their stance about other concept of God.

Christians deny and mostly deny the existence of greek and egypt concept of god. To them, Zeus or Ra does not exist. This too does not make them an atheist because at a point, they believe jehovah exist. Samething applicable to muslims who disblieve in other gods except Allah. Existence of gods cannot be denied. In some concepts, Nature is God. In animism, animals and plants are been worship as God. In ancient egypt and some greek civilisation, stars and planetary bodies are god. These we know and very sure that they exist. We know that nature, plants, animals, stars and planetary bodies exist. No sane man can deny existence of apotheosis kings and emperors. Sacred kings are been worship as God and they do exist or existed. Denying this is big insanity.

Atheists as been seen here are those that disbelieve and./or deny existence of Christian and Islamic concept of god while we have over 100000 concepts in the world today. Cow, snakes and elephant are gods in some culture. River, mountains and even humans are gods in some culture. Athiests telling an animist that their gods do not exist would be rule out as insane person because we all know thay snake and cow exist. Though they may disregard dogmas attached to this gods; dogma stem from religious evaluation and not concept of god. It is dogmatic to believe worshipping snakes would bring money to one pulse and insane to disbelieve that snakes does not exist because they are seen as god by some particular people. Mammon is a evil spirit according to christians scholars. Or let me say mammon is a personified deity which to atheists practically does not exist but we know what mammon is and that it does exist. Mammon is money, wealth or riches which exist. Disbelieving in the existence of mammon, nature, snakes, cow or any substantiable entity refdered to as god is oure insanity.

God exist and does not exist. This lies in how and what we think god is.

He need to save himseld before attempting saving others.

jascon1:
This is getting insane. Nigeria is now a tribal game zone. Meanwhile this is not the job Nigerians want done. We need ppl not based on relationships, but based on competency n due process. We r simply going to the whirl .....

What is tribalistic in an election?

If you dont know, Gbajabiamila was not handpick but voted in by the majority today in ICC. This is election and not tribal selection.

I wish in best of luck

In life, I am never scared of enemies but I am very scared of respected friends who turn out to be backstabbers.

Lot of things gonna unravel. I think I should not fear anything but fear itself.

Anything pls, this senseless waste of life must stop

damola1:
If hin smile, I will NOT vote for him again!... Nigerians like me and you are dying, and these are the guys responsible, yet he should smile?

You have a point there.

Baba pls wear a little smile on that face.

Nyako case with the EFCC should continue while his allegation against exPGEJ been behind boko-haram should run along.

cold:
True,but i still believe if religious killings grounded to a halt half the world's problem would be solved.

Afterall, not all religion encourage killing of non-believers. Jainism masters violent free way of live. If Jainism religious idealism spread across the earth, killing and violence would reduce while religion exist in our society.

cold:
At least if people stopped killing themselves on the basis of whose god is more superior,that would be a step in the right direction. Don't you think?

This sound more like a political killing disguising as a religious move.

I dont support killing in whichever reason but I hold the ground that killing in not motivated only by religious bias.

johnydon22:
Now i see you are sick in the head. . . The definition of God as gallery of a theater has nothing to do with worship. .

Worship is not all about bowing down. Worship is acknowledging worth of something or someone.

I pray GMB delivers.

jayriginal:
Everything can be classified under divine. The guitar is a divine instrument, producing such a divine sound. Chess is a divine game. My girlfriend is a goddess.

You FOLYKAZE have a penchant for distorting words and meanings to the point that they become irrelevant.

My friend,

Do you disbelief in the existence of God (defined as inlfuencial person)?

johnydon22:
Are you dodging their being God? common you can do better.

The gallery of a theater is called God so its God. . take it or leave it

I am not denying this.

I guess people acknowledge it worth. . . .that is it is been worship.

Do you disbelieve in God? Devaraja and apotheosis deity?

jayriginal:
God as understood in its most natural sense is of divine
origin. Man that has been raised to godlike status is still not of divine origin.

Read through pls http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity

Take note of the subtopic:
-Divinity as entity

-Divinity applied to mortals

-Belief in the divine potential of humankind


And google on sacred kings, devaraja and apotheosis.


Are we conversant with this saying; to err is human but to forgive is divine. . . .

Therefore we are divine beings.

jayriginal:
You are using God in two different senses. Thats equivocation/ambiguity. Your argument is flawed.

Its like saying dogs are men who chase women. Do you believe dogs have four legs? Two different meanings.

How is the argument flaw?

God is theos

Men God is apo+theos.

What is the difference in this theos?

Can you tell us pls?

johnydon22:
we hail almighty gallery of a theater

When you stop mixing up to distinct concepts then you will be taken seriously ..

Like someone said on a thread, he said God is anything that has dominion and been worship. Anytime gallery of theatre is been worship, it becomes a God.

That for that. . . .

Man has dominion and are been worshipped. There are historical sacred kings across the world worship as deity. Apotheosis reign in many traditions which sees man as a deity. We have records of humans worship as deity in Eastern Asian countries. We also have records of them in Yoruba kingdom. Devaraja is simply deified royalty which positioned human as a God. In imperial cults, humans are been worshipped as God. Fela is a very good example here. The mythical kings in Yoruba like Sango, Obatala and Oduduwa reigned in history as mortal men but are been worship as Gods today. You are only denying the obvious fact. The bible went to affirm that men are Gods.

I will bring up gallery of theatre when it is been worship or have dominion. Lets deal with men been worship as deity or god. Do you disbelieve in their existence?

johnydon22:
Remember God can also be defined as The gallery in a theater

That the gallery in a theater is called God doesnt mean it to be a deity.

That an influencial person is called God doesnt make that person a deity.

Some people that read the story i write call me a God in writing, this doesnt make me a deity.

The definition of God as regard influencial person or a gallery in a theater is VERY different from the definition of God in the religious or lets say deital sense. . . So please stop mixing them up.

What is the difference between god and deity? I don die i swear.

In apotheosis, MAN IS DEITY

jayriginal:
I cant understand you. Perhaps you should put it in another form for me to grasp.

Atheism is disbelief in God.

While God from dictionary is an influencial person. In apotheosis, emperor and powerful leaders are Gods.

So as an atheist, do you disbelieve in the existence of God base on definition from dico and apotheosis concept?

jayriginal:
Lol. My new religion is preserving my sanity by refraining from discussing with you on this issue.

Erm. . . .

Atheism is disbelief in God.

God can be defined as influencial person.

Do you as an atheist disbelief in God (defined as influencial personality)?

This is where importance of definition relies

plaetton:
1. You used the word"practice"to describe religion in your attempt to associate atheism with religion.

2. Your so-called militant atheism is similar to civil rights movements who are loud and sometimes obnoxious in their protests and campaigns against the evil machinations of the religiously inspired.
Again, I remind you that in our modern democratic reality, any and every one is free to voice out against oppression.
For thousands of years, including the very present times, people inspired by religion have been oppressing, persecuting killing nonbelievers. It is highly hypocritical and double standard to call someone a militant against for daring to raise his or voice against the evils and absurdities of religious beliefs.

3. I repeat for the millionth time, Darwinism is not a philosophical system. Atheism doesn't lead to Darwinism, Daaahhh!
Anyone, every who goes to school, pays attention and studies Darwin's theory of evolution, is expected to understand how nature organizes itself for propagation of species.

Don't take this personal, but it is Nigeria's pitiful education system and standards that produce educated people who neither understand nor accept this simple scientific theory/ model of nature. This is because there is too much religious garbage that clutter young developing minds in Nigeria. This is fact.

In conclusion, atheism is NOT a social institution.
Atheism is NOT a pattern of behaviour or actions organized around any belief or beliefs.
THERE is no belief.

I am trying hard to imagine the social institution and pattern of behaviour and actions YOU have built around your non-belief in the existence of Santa Clause.

1. That was a reply to jayriginal's claim that some atheist love okra while others like vegetables. I affirmed that this difference is common in religious practise. The differences does not stop religious practises from been religion.

2. I am not interested in this epistle. Militant atheists are devoted to anti-theism cause. Yes/no?

3. A non belief in any deity is a social institution to the extent of having a gathering for it. New atheism movement is an institution.

You said ;Atheists, generally speaking, are usually people who seek rational answers to existential questions. How do you answer existential questions if not through darwinism? Or are you subjected to creationism?

jayriginal:
And in what religion is hockey a concept? Or boxing perhaps?

I dont know.

All the same, religion is 'tie to'.

Devotion is 'tie to'.

Anything you are devoted to is your religion.

jayriginal:
You dont need to call them religion. If you provide a definition and you stand by that definition, then you adopt whatever the definition covers, no matter how ridiculous it may seem.

I didnt come up with the definition.

Like when you said God does not exist. And God is defined as an influencial person, does this mean influencial personality does not exist?

jayriginal:
What happens when the definition is incorrect as is the case?

your wish. You didnt prove it incorrect.

jayriginal:
I have an interest in living. Is that also a religion?

It is a religion.

To which particualr religion, I dont know

johnydon22:
. . Knowledge. . Dictionary. .

The fact of knowing about something; general understanding or familiarity with a subject, place, situation etc. [from 14th c.]

Knowledge according to my philosophy is a justified true belief

plaetton:
Pls pls refrain from linking atheism and Darwinism.
This is cheap.
Quite a lot of atheists may never fully understand Darwinism.
I do not think you understand Darwinism.

Darwinism makes no attempt whatsoever, to offer the meaning of existence, as you have been falsely repeating.
Darwinism, like most scientific theories, attempts , albeit successful, to offer us a glimpse of how nature is organized for the propagation of life.

Atheists, by some strange mystery, tend be well educated, and as such, would normally accept the scientific worldview that has proven to be true over the past 150yrs of rigorous testing.
Pls understand that.

Where did I say all atheists know what darwinism is? I use the word 'most' essentially in my post. This is not equivalent to all.

Educate me here pls, how is answer to existence different from propagation of life or beings?

johnydon22:
This is where you are wrong, many theists still buy the theory of evolution, which is a scientific study and not a belief... Understand that.
Agreeing with a scientific fact doesnt make it a belief or doctrine.

Secondly; Most atheist say I don't know When faced with the question of how life began.

Many only think that scientific methods should be used in solving questions. .

Agreeing and acknowledge is knowledge.

Knowledge is a justifed belief.

So you cannot runaway from belief bro.

Meanwhile, I said most atheists and not all tend to answer existence question through darwinism.

That is my point

plaetton:
C'mon man, you can do better than this.

1. Atheism is not a practice, and does involve any forms of practice. Ok?

2. Atheism is not a phenomenon, and does not attract any form devotion ( do you know the meaning of devotion?). Ok?

3. I have no idea what you mean by "atheism propel Darwinism" Atheism have nothing to with Darwinism. Atheism does no propel anything.
Atheists, generally speaking, are usually people who seek rational answers to existential questions.
In other words my friend, atheism doesn't lead people to be curious and rational. No sir.

It is natural curiosity , natural, healthy skepticism and rational thinking that leads one to question the many myths of religion and the existence of god. Ok?

4. Yes. Atheism is a state of mind in the same way that skepticism , optimism, doubt, anxiety, fear, joy etc, etc. are also states mind.
What was your point ?

1. Where did I say atheism is a practise?

2. Militant atheists are devoted to anti-theism cause.

3. You sadd ;Atheists, generally speaking, are usually people who seek rational answers to existential questions.

This answers lead to darwinism.

And here is what religion is, s a social institution, religion is a pattern of social action organized around the beliefs and practices that people develop to answer questions about the meaning of existence.

Do you see where I am driving at with this?

4. Fear, anxiety and all thse you listed there are gods. It compound form of a religion.

jayriginal:
Sure, like hockey and my devotion to oxygen right?

In as much devotion is involve, it is religion.

Oxygen, Jiva is a concept in jainism.

jayriginal:
FOLYKAZE you are quite welcome to call my hobbies a religion. By that standard, atheism will have to be a religion. Education will have to be a religion as well. That standard qualifies well nigh everything (even posting on nairaland) as a religion and it is starkly ridiculous!s

I didnt call those activites religion.

They are simply religion going by the definition of religion.

jayriginal:
If I define a car as anything that has wheels on it and if I insist on that definition, then wheelbarrows and bicycles automatically become cars.

You are right going by your definition

jayriginal:
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jayriginal:
Care to explain further?

Google natural religion

jayriginal:
But I told you that atheism is not an interest or a devotion or belief or activity. That alone takes atheism outside your third definition. My guitar and chess activities fall within that definition but not atheism.

Evangelical atheism has some form of devotion and interest.

plaetton:
Let me correct you again, Atheism has very little to do with Darwinism, and certainly did not originate with Darwinism. Darwin was not an atheist and only came up with his theory of biological evolution 150yrs ago.

Throughout antiquity, there have always been people who did not believe in the existence of gods.
Even the biblical chroniclers recognized the existence of atheists when it referred to them as fools.

In a our modern democratic traditions, every group of individuals who have a common interest are encouraged to and gather and form associations for the purpose of getting their voice heard and their interests safeguarded.

Therefore, there should be nothing extraordinary about atheists gathering together to protect their right to freedom from religion.

Hey boss, you missing my point here.
Here is a scope of religion: as a social institution, religion is a pattern of social action organized around the beliefs and practices that people develop to answer questions about the meaning of existence.

To most atheists, the meaning of existence lies in darwinism which makes their point of view different from the creation view

jayriginal:
And so Im a polytheist. Chess is my religion. Music is my religion. Breathing oxygen is my religion (Im really devoted and tied to that).

How many religions do you have FOLYKAZE? (apart from spiritual atheism of course).

as many as I am tied to.

Atheism is disbelieve in the existence of God.

While man is a God, do you disbelieve in the existence of God (defined as influencial Man)?

jayriginal:
I never said or implied that religion was not diverse. No point here.

But you acknowledge religion is centred on faith in God while many religion in the world today does not necessarity have it centre on faith in a particular God.

jayriginal:
I honestly do not know which of my points this is meant to counter.

It counters your position that your devotion to chess game or guiter playing is not a religion. Well rightly, knowing this doesnt stop this devotion from been a form of religion.

jayriginal:
How exactly does atheism propel darwinism (and what the hell is darwinism anyway? Do you mean to say evolution?) and does atheism propel science too? Perhaps science is a religion as well?

This is darwinism http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism

jayriginal:
Atheists are people, theists are people, religions need people therefore atheism is a religion. This makes no sense. Listen in case you misunderstood me. Religion is much more than a state of mind. Now, a deist believes in God but deism is not a religion. Can you see how that works? By calling atheism a state of mind, I meant the position on the belief in a God or Gods. Nothing more than that. Whenever you define religion to include sports, politics etc, then you expand it to include just about everything under the sun that is an observed practice eg early morning ablutions.

1. Deism is a natural religion. Pls note that.

2. You actually cannot show me how atheism is exceptional from the everything which my provided definition covers.

@KoloOyinbo

The issue of God cause a serious bleeding through the deep cut of defining what God is. That better not be touched.

Religion on the other hand does not necessarily have base in god belief or faith system.

Religion has more to do with devotion; 'tie to' something or someone. That is it, that is all

jayriginal:
Nice reply Folykaze. I suspect that KoloOyinbo will argue along your lines but I do not want to preempt him.

Going by your third definition, several things can be defined as a religion. You mentioned hockey in Canada, thats one. Speaking of hockey as a religion is understandable, perhaps even apt, but only in a metaphorical sense. To consider it a religion in any other sense is truly ridiculous.

Atheism falls outside your third category. Atheism is not a belief, interest or activity. Its simply a state of mind as to whether one has faith in the existence of God. An atheist lacks this faith. One can like nokia phones and be an atheist while another atheist is into iphones. One might love okra and another likes ewedu. Sure, you might find some common traits among atheists but that is not because they are following the same rules. I play chess very devotedly and I play the guitar equally devotedly. Never have I once thought of either of these my passions as a religion.

Atheism did not bring about darwinism as you call it.

Sorry but you have failed to prove or even convince that atheism is a religion.

1. Religion is a universal practises that take many forms. Even among the christians, some are trinitarian while others are not. Some wear uniform while others do not. This does not makes it non-religious by citing like of individual atheists.

2. Every religious move either done consciously or not does not stop the act from been religious. A phenomenon is what it is until after it attracts some form of devotion. At this point, it becomes a religion.
3. I didnt say atheism brought about darwinism, my point was according to the definition given, religion develop existentialism. Atheism does not develop but propel darwinism. So this makes it a religion.

4. You defined atheism as a state of mind; forgetting that religion is a state of mind too. This your words most importantly confirmed that atheism is a religion.