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The resurrected saints are saints that were dead, duh. And the events are not urban or rural legends. Do you exactly expect names or what?
Now, that something isn't in the news doesn't mean it didn't happen. Matthew is an historian that i trust abi which qualifications he no get? Do you know that many of the things tv joshua is doing or not doing is not in the news or recorded by any historian of repute(if there is anything like that)? Its majorly on and from HIS station only. Does this translate to mean he is not giving out rice and whatever he gives even in the presence of thousands of his congregation? Bishop Oyedepo's message last Sunday to tens of thousands, how many historians will record it? If its not recorded, does that mean it never happened? Pastor Kumuyi's program last month that drew hundreds of thousands literally, did you hear about it? Did you read it on the news? If the answer is no, does that automatically mean that it never happened? Pastor Chris and Pastor Adeboye's congresses and crusades, how much can you say about the last three months 'editions'? Did you read of them on nairaland? Were hundreds of thousands of Nigerians not involved? If by chance, you didn't hear of them in this age of information and internet, what are the chances of someone hearing about these happenings fifty years from now(if Jesus tarried)? Would it be the right thing for them to dismiss that these things never happened fifty years before since no historian confirms it except for the church?

Is this a christian fashion of taqiyya or just a speculation?

The crusades of those pastors you mentioned are always recorded on tape. We got lot of them on youtube and video sites. Mostly all their sermon are recorded on audio cassettes and with video camera. There is non of their programmes which are not recorded. In the market today, you can buy dvd, cd, online files, magazines, tv programmes, radio sponsor programmes, leaflets, books and mouth to mouth information carriers that spread their messages. So if in 50yrs time to today, these documents can be recovered. Just say you dont have this informations, on their websites, magazines and videos cassettes, you will have them. So that point up there is baseless.


Dead saints resurrection is a momentous event. Lot of people saw this happening. They meet them and will be over-joyed. How will such information be kept to only matthew? The other reason you can give on not having information on your pastors programmes is because it always a repeatition of messages. They will always preach same things over time. It all about tithe, progression, faith, heaven, hell, love, peace, etc. So the message wont be something special to you. But when they say something new, unique or special to your hearing or peoples hearing, it will spread like fire. The day Adeboye said he drive his car from Ore to Lagos was spread even to papers abroad. Such thing has never happened. People want to witness such thing. Even if it a lie, they are documented, his speech on it when he was celebratiing his birthday was recorded, coveraged and written down.

But on this issue of dead saints which are momentous event, not only are they not noticed by any contemporary non-christian sources, but none of the other gospel writers mentions this occuring. Even matthew provides no reaction to these events is described, nor does he mention what happened to the saints after they appearance.

If these events really happen hence, why are they mentioned here and not with the miraculous events of the resurrection at Matthew 28:2? Why is it that jesus resurrection was recorded by the twelves and some people even strived to witness this but the incident of numbers of saints saw by many people didnt have a record to prove it?

Theologically Jesus had to be the first person resurrected but who are this people that came before Jesus? Most modern scholars thus do not consider these events to be historical. The story is a "pure novelistic motifs. These events make more theological than historical sense and the strength of this part of the narrative is "atmosphere, not details."


with you holding to that bible story with this your fallacy hiding under pastors life not documented which is pure lie makes the bible story more like "city-legend"


like mazaje said, the bible is just handful fable

bolaino: the bible says thou shalt not test the lord thy God, that's what our ijaw broda's gon tell u, lol

Elijah tested God.

wordychap: @ FOLYKAZE etc, heaven was made for people, n so was hell!

says you

Delafruita: josephus published his antiquities around 90AD which is almost 60years after jesus supposedly was crucified.historians of the time jesus apparently lived such seneca and pliny the elder did write a single word about him

It seeming to me now that Jesus is fable

cassava stick: ..and what lane is that?

Off-fairy tale lane. Hope you know now?

Delafruita: just as mattthew was the only one that wrote that herod ordered the death of all children under 2years,a fable unsupported by anyone else either in the bible or in history

Truth is scary

wordychap: d saints were those who believed in Jesus as the CHRIST before dieing! Jesus said ' he dat believeth in me though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth n believeth in me shall never die.' do u believe this?

sorry I dont believe that. Jesus preached for three years, who are the dead people pls that believe in Jesus?

We call it hallucination

I love your christ for his love, peace and charity mission. I only hate the zombie christians

cassava stick: Why are you obsessed with fairy tales

Im on the same lane with you man

Thats e-jihad

I am giving you my full support.

Thats e-jihad

wordychap: the graves were opened but the bodies of d dead saints didn't come out until after d ressurection of Jesus- d first fruit of them who slept. luke actually records an occurence in chapter 24 though d dead saint there hapened to b JESUS himself. anywhere Jesus ascended into heaven and these saints disappeared (ascended)- Jesus led d triain!

hey pastor's puppy, read the verse again.
The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came outof the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

cassava stick: Why are you obsessed with fairy tales

Im on the same lane with you man

mazaje: The enitre jesus story is a fable. . .

Im not 100% sure about that. I read about his historicity on wikipedia and confirmed that the dude really exist by some scholars. Though some of them didn't ascribe to his divinity. Also we have one historian that writes about him named jospheus.

bolaino: lol, but so is allah, budha, and d crazy 88,

Then Ijawkid must prove Jehovah's power and reason he reject Oborowe's power. Enough of his I see, I saw and I have seen.

If he cant prove Jehovah power, then we will all agree Jehovah is not powerful.

OX59: ...........about the resurrected dead being those buried "around Jerusalem",you should know that the author was talking of what he probably saw and those who were around him and affirmed waht they saw.......you definitely wouldn't expect him to know whaty was happening in say Ethiopia...........that said,T think the Bible has a way of coming up with doubtful stories but if you believe it,you've got to believe it's stories.

still didn't answer the question. Matthew only wrote the zombie story. The eleven colleague or disciples of his didn't write anything related to this. Neither was the historian of Jesus era nor any document can be use to verify this mass resurrection of saints. It seem to me as hoax.

Thanks anyway

never_say_never: Ehn answer nah, why did the atheist stop? Out of answers. That atheist na learner abeg

Do you even know your great grandfather? His name, his wife name, where he built his hut, his first son name, his second son name, the date he was born and the day he died? If you cant answer this, then stop asking stupid questions.

Im sorry for the derailing

this is a conversation between Atheist and muslim man (ALHAJI)


Atheist: Alhaji means 'stranger' and it is a title conferred on visitors on hajj as a means of identification, ­ right?

Yoruba Alhaji: yesh! I carry the title with honor now, afterall the money I spent on hajj to kiss the kaaba.


Atheist: but you are in your homeland now and you are definitely not a stranger here.


Yoruba Alhaji: that is also true.


Atheist: so you paid a huge sum of money to travel to another man's land to kiss a gigantic maggi cube and get the title of 'stranger' which becomes ineffective as soon as you land home yet you prance about with it, does that make sense to you?


Yoruba Alhaji: Abi were ni ọ ni? Didn't you know that Yoruba gods are idols and the only true god is allah and as a muslim, we must visit mecca at least once in lifetime as written in the Quran and Haddith?

Atheist: smh

bolaino: Hmmmmm, "like play, like play" (singing in kelly handsome's voice)

Make una take am easy ooo, before una go go kEe una sef cos una won test una belief, cos d next tin we go know ijawkid go vex say una won fall egbesu hand he go com put yahweh for corner,com go arrange people com from he village make dem com show d world the world d power of egbesu, the next thing we go com see for nairaland na say "two ijaw youths shot dead, cos they wanted to prove the efficacy of their egbesu talisman" my hand and my leg no dey oooo.

jehovah is all powerful

Reading my bible this morning, I was puzzled by a short passage at Matthew 27:52-53, which comes just after the description of Jesus' death on the cross.


The passage reads as follows:
The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.


The passage says that some dead holy people returned to life and came out of their tombs, then went into Jerusalem, where many inhabitants of the city saw them. Because the King James translation refers to these resurrected people as "saints", this event is sometimes called "the resurrection of the dead saints".

Matthew 27:51 indicates that an earthquake occurred just as Jesus died, and that this earthquake was what opened the tombs of these saints. But although they returned to life immediately, they apparently didn't go into Jerusalem until at least two days later, or no earlier than the first Easter Sunday.

Scholars have looked for reports of this resurrection in other ancient writings, but no definite references to it have been found. However, some scholars do see a possible connection to ancient prophesies about a resurrection of dead saints expected to occur during the End Times. The prophesies say that all dead saints will return to life at that time so that they can take their place in a newly-created eternal Kingdom of God. It has been suggested that the resurrection described in Matthew's passage was a "preview" of this predicted end-times resurrection.

Under normal circumstances, a dead body will eventually decompose to the point that its individual features areno longer recognizable. But many early Christians believed that the body of a true holy person is incorruptible, so that it doesn't decay atall, but is miraculously preserved for its eventual resurrection. This explains how long-dead saints could return to life in their original bodies.

Another possible explanation for Matthew's passage relates it to a story known as the "Harrowing of Hell". According to this story, which is mentioned in the Apostles' Creed, after Jesus died on the cross he descended to Hell and rescued the souls of all the ancient dead saints from their imprisonment there. After these rescued souls left Hell, they could have returned to their old bodies in the tombs and brought them back to life. But if this is what happened, it must have taken place very quickly, because Matthew says that the saints were resurrected almost immediately after Jesus died.

The real puzzle here is that all of these resurrected saints were apparently buried in the vicinity of Jerusalem. Nothing is said about any dead saints who were buried elsewhere. The passage also doesn't identify any of the resurrected saints by name.

Matthew also doesn't say what these resurrected saints did after they were seen in Jerusalem.

The passage doesn't say that they died again, so other possibilities should be considered. Of course they probably aren't still alive on the earth somewhere.

The other three gospels don't mention the resurrection of these saints.

Another reason for doubt is that these resurrected saints would have created a lot of excitement when they appeared in Jerusalem, and a historian like Josephus, who wrote a detailed account of the period, probably would have said something about it. But he doesn't mention it at all.



The Questions that come to mind is:

1. Who Were These Resurrected Saints?
2. Were These People Really Resurrected or the story is urban legend?

Logicboy03: Wassap FOLYKAZE?

Im good man.

Christian: who creates you?

Atheist: my parents

christian: who creates your parents?

Atheist: Grandies

Christian: who creates your Grandies?

Atheist: Great grandies.

Christian: So you dont believe God creates our first parents in the garden of Eden?

Atheist: Nope

Christian: So who is our first parent

ijawkid: First of all the bible isn't a talisman or a charm...........

And when Jesus talked about faith that could move mountains being a bullet proof MONK wa§nt a branch of that faith........

The faith I have is that juju won't work on me because Yahweh is by my side......

Hope you see where I put faith into practicÉ.............

But wait o....you believe in hÍt and fall JUJU?......

I have seen the C&S and celestial pastor using the bible as charm. They will tear some part of the psalm or read some psalm to a bowl of water. Just say that you have not witness this.

A mountain is even bigger than a bullet. With your faith, can you move mountain with mere words? And it seem you dont read your bible.

Matthew 21:22
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
22. And all things, whatsoever ye ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. Pls pray so that we can shoot you without penetration. Just ask anything with your prayer like swimming from Niger State to Ondo state or walking in the sky. Yahweh is all powerful. Just ask and ye shall receive the power to do this.

Also John 14:12
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. My Ijaw friend has not work on water, you have not wake your dead great grandfather, you have not heal the blind and not turn water to wine. You have believe in Jesus works and miracle for years and you have not done anything related to Jesus miracle nor do greater than him. I guess there is nothing like gun in Jesus days. If you are shoot without a skin penetration, then you do greater than Jesus. Lets make this happen. Your God is all powerful.

You can keep juju, just lets shoot you with your faith and jesus. Lets see how powerful and miraculous your Jesus is.


Dont ask if I believe, you can come over and lets test it if it work. If I tell you my mama soup is sweet, you might not believe until you taste it. Thats it. If you can shoot a gun or wanna test any other juju, just come forward.

Lincoln burrows: As proven?
By who pls?

Proven in the book titled 'DID JESUS EXIST?'

Written by the modern German historian George Albert Wells.

You can read it too

ijawkid: Lol..........

I just dey happy say even atheist fit ready believe say egbesu dey work....your fellow atheist o......

Like I said earlier my beliefs won't let me collaborate with someone to prove the egbesu juju..........

On another thread a nairalander was all out to prove that juju works.........and billiyonnaire was the one on the hot sit......you can all go bet there and see for yourselves........

I wish I could engage in this juju thing just to make sure I prove u atheists wrong, but I love Yahweh..............

Stop the joke man. You believe in juju but cant prove it cuz of Yahweh. Can you put your bible under your shirt and receive a single gun shot? Or can psalm 23 save you from hit and fall juju? You know very well your Jesus says if you have faith like a mustard seed, you will tell a mountain to move and it will obey. You can let us prove this. I think you have big faith in Jesus and Yahweh. This should apply if you forbid juju.

Lincoln burrows: Lol! Anyway thanks for teaching me about the Pascal's wager. Just googled it! I didn't know about it when I made those statements. But bro, u need to really think about it. You've got nothing to lose if it turns to be false.

When I said religion was a force of good, I didn't include some other religions that I'm not so sure of what they believe. I'm aware some religions could encourage people to be terrorists and suicide bombers so I can't say those ones are a force for good.

If it turns out to be the false god(which I'm convinced its not) I still have nothing to lose. I have seen great miracles done by my God. I've seen the lame walk. So my God(Jesus) is the true God

I remembered paul sayings. If Jesus didn't resurrect (as proven the dude only exist in the book) then christian faith is vanity.


Why are you following the path of vanity o african man

Ok. They are exposing themselves

Whats my problem with people sexual tastes? If anybody tells me he is gay, then good with him.

#RespectMoney$:
See man I can't call u foolish for believing in that kinda house okk. The reason why I brought up this discussion is that many atheists here in NL keep on asking believers to prove the existence of God. So I wanna know their conviction, the reason why they claim that God doesn't exit

the big reason is that the evidence you provide for yours cant be hold on to.


Is that ok with ya?