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Like your bible said, if your eye makes you sin against your god, remove it. It better you lost your eye than your whole body burns in fire. If it your p.enis, cut it off. Says thy Lord thy God

vedaxcool: Lol! If I recall correctly, the banu quraiza where trial according to their own scriptures,by a judge of their own choosing! Any way I understand your question, which like thehommer is based on a false premise, you would understand thehommer entire arguement if your understand sectarianism in religion, hommer simply ignored tenants of the christians faith to make a case for murdering baby in the name of saving them for paradise, and that is how twisting of religion occurs an individual ignores basic commandments of his religion and invents his own meaning to religion, which I have clearly showed in this case tries inventing a will, God have never intended and supplanting such a will with THE Will God actually stated! To answer your question it sounds better but fails like the latter, why didn't Allah just willed them to death, because he just didn't! Simple! Why did you take coffee(assuming so) because you wanted to, why did you take an afternoon nap, because you wanted to, so also Allah does what he wants, and in this case he left Muhammad pbuh to deal with the issue, had Allah wanted a different outcome he would have intervened, e.g if God wanted to give "logic"boy a functional brain, HE simply does, regardless of whether I like it, you hate it, everybody dislike it, HE simply does what he wills, but as long as God decides not to give "l"b a functional brain, regardless of our prayers etc it will remain so, for as long as possible! And that my friend is how it works, you may as well ask why did he make you a muslim if he wanted humanity to worship him, well because HE have decided to create the world in such a way that HE deems fit!

So no faith, you atheists are not in a position to define God to a theist, since u have decided not to know God, rather we are to tell you based on our understanding of the scriptures we believe he gave us to, and in this case the hommer decided by the typical ignorance of atheism to ignore what christians believe to be God Will to them! So also your question ignores what Allah revealed to Muslims, He does what HE deems fit and in the case of banu Q, HE did what HE deemed fit!

I smell Taqiyya: Islamic doctrine of deceit to defend and promote Islam...

vedaxcool: Maybe you are getting me, my point is Allah does what he wills, and in this case like any other he has provided men with the Qur'an as a form of guidance, a collection of what is expected of men, because God has given men a certain degree of freedom in their action and affairs, in the case of banu Q, they were trialed according to their own revealed scriptures by a judge of their own choosing now the point is the process follows what laws etc made for the benefit of men, men at the end of the day choose whether a certain law applies to a particular case etc! But my point remains if HE wanted them to live HE would easily done so, if HE had wanted them to die by a means of his own choosen HE would have easily done so because HIS WILL always prevails!

You not even sure of what you are saying. Why are you creating theories and lies for your god? He created some men to be killed, their wives to the forcefully married and their properties shared among mohamed soldiers? Is this Allah's will?

vedaxcool: Thank you oga, but please because of atheism STOP LYING, . . .,

seem your section is pretty dull nowadays. Those Zombies which cant use their brains or got dead brains are making life boring for ya huh? Get lost or stop derailing.

This section is for intellectual talk and not rant defending arabian imaginary god.

What you got there does not seem to be theological. They are culturally for the jew. Not your problem bro.

Catholic killing muslim, muslim bombing catholic. Both doing this to know who got the best imaginary friend.


Mr vedaxcool, why are you pondering on catholic and not your muslim brothers?

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Didn't intend to reply you seeing the lack of integrity in your views, but later decided to at least give a parting post. Exactly what do you want to be recorded beyond what was recorded. If the little that was recorded, you didn't believe, what else do you want? Why ask pointlessly, or do you have a point?

Reading all through your post, you didn't add anything relevant to the discuss. In the first place, why would you believe something even within the book is shown that it myth? A person resurrected can strike astonishment in the community. How much more numbered dead saint?

Still making assumptions. Now, how does the joy and amazement of the witnesses of the resurrected saints add anything to your life?

You called it assumption. For your quest- The same way the amazement of Nigerians change political thinking after the death of Abacha.

Isn't it then pointless for you to be looking for more writers to write on the resurrection of dead saints? You do not believe in the one most important and copiously recorded, what is your issue with this other one? Someone who doesn't believe Jesus' resurrected but id so interested in discussing another biblical resurrection. It makes no sense.

The one recorded in the gospel of matthew is fictional within itself. It seem to me like the addition and subtraction in the gospel of mark. Same does happenned to the dead saint resurrection. Just wanna see if you see what im seeing.

Normally, this is a post i do not bother to reply. You may go and ask the several millions that went to listen to those preachers that i mentioned in the past three months.

normally, this is type of post I dont reply. I dont need ask driver if his car fly in the air, the car on land or air speaks for itself. Any day you got information about amputee healed, present it. The testimonies in churches are fake and hearsay.

Obviously, you do not think too often, that's why you compare their preaching to your bird singing. i doubt if even your family members would buy a copy if you wrote a book. Go figure.

Your bible says animal and man are the same. Comparing your pastor to my bird is no offense. I know bird are to sing, the day it talk like human, then question must come. Your pastors are staging fake miracles. Saying headache, car accident, etc. Thats trash pls. I suggest you think.

Obviously, you are not thinking but just saying.

sarcasm!!! You dont need insult me if we dont think same way. We are in different places and ought to see differently. Just know that your bible story is just fairy tale.

tell that to your bird, i'd be surprised if it believed you.

It dance when I sing and try to mimic it. It seem it believing huh? The day I develop feather and sleep on try like her, then she will realise there is problem somewhere or even shout halleluyah

Find someone to help you read Matthew 27:52,53 about fourteen times. You should grasp it better by then.

I should grasp what? That some imaginary zombie are outer grave without evidence to support it?

You said "Most of those stuff they claimed to be miracle are lies or naturally healings. A man will come on stage and tell the world he had headache. After the pastor's prayer, the headache was healed. A man had accident and was not dead, it happens naturally. A woman give birth to birth to a baby after ten years of marriad can be medical problem and solve medically. A man having some medical problem took some drugs and surgery but the thing didnt work but after prayer, he was healed, this are fake stuffs. A man with HIV was healed."
Do you have any proof that these were the things that happened in the past three months in pastors kumuyi, adeboye, oyedepo and cos programmes? Or you are just making lazy assumptions and just saying without thinking?

What prove do you want from me? Are those not the stuff aired on tv? Moreover, Im I the one saying the testimony?

i know you missed them.

pointless

Get a life.

I have one thats not buried in superstition.

How old are you?

Im older than you think.

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Didn't intend to reply you seeing the lack of integrity in your views, but later decided to at least give a parting post. Exactly what do you want to be recorded beyond what was recorded. If the little that was recorded, you didn't believe, what else do you want? Why ask pointlessly, or do you have a point?

Reading all through your post, you didn't add anything relevant to the discuss. In the first place, why would you believe something even within the book is shown that it myth? A person resurrected can strike astonishment in the community. How much more numbered dead saint?

Still making assumptions. Now, how does the joy and amazement of the witnesses of the resurrected saints add anything to your life?

You called it assumption. For your quest- The same way the amazement of Nigerians change political thinking after the death of Abacha.

Isn't it then pointless for you to be looking for more writers to write on the resurrection of dead saints? You do not believe in the one most important and copiously recorded, what is your issue with this other one? Someone who doesn't believe Jesus' resurrected but id so interested in discussing another biblical resurrection. It makes no sense.

The one recorded in the gospel of matthew is fictional within itself. It seem to me like the addition and subtraction in the gospel of mark. Same does happenned to the dead saint resurrection. Just wanna see if you see what im seeing.

Normally, this is a post i do not bother to reply. You may go and ask the several millions that went to listen to those preachers that i mentioned in the past three months.

normally, this is type of post I dont reply. I dont need ask driver if his car fly in the air, the car on land or air speaks for itself. Any day you got information about amputee healed, present it. The testimonies in churches are fake and hearsay.

Obviously, you do not think too often, that's why you compare their preaching to your bird singing. i doubt if even your family members would buy a copy if you wrote a book. Go figure.

Your bible says animal and man are the same. Comparing your pastor to my bird is no offense. I know bird are to sing, the day it talk like human, then question must come. Your pastors are staging fake miracles. Saying headache, car accident, etc. Thats trash pls. I suggest you think.

Obviously, you are not thinking but just saying.

sarcasm!!! You dont need insult me if we dont think same way. We are in different places and ought to see differently. Just know that your bible story is just fairy tale.

tell that to your bird, i'd be surprised if it believed you.

It dance when I sing and try to mimic it. It seem it believing huh? The day I develop feather and sleep on try like her, then she will realise there is problem somewhere or even shout halleluyah

Find someone to help you read Matthew 27:52,53 about fourteen times. You should grasp it better by then.

I should grasp what? That some imaginary zombie are outer grave without evidence to support it?

You said "Most of those stuff they claimed to be miracle are lies or naturally healings. A man will come on stage and tell the world he had headache. After the pastor's prayer, the headache was healed. A man had accident and was not dead, it happens naturally. A woman give birth to birth to a baby after ten years of marriad can be medical problem and solve medically. A man having some medical problem took some drugs and surgery but the thing didnt work but after prayer, he was healed, this are fake stuffs. A man with HIV was healed."
Do you have any proof that these were the things that happened in the past three months in pastors kumuyi, adeboye, oyedepo and cos programmes? Or you are just making lazy assumptions and just saying without thinking?

What prove do you want from me? Are those not the stuff aired on tv? Moreover, Im I the one saying the testimony?

i know you missed them.

pointless

Get a life.

I have one thats not buried in superstition.

How old are you?

Im older than you think.

obadiah777: OOKKKKKKK FOLYKAZE >>>>> YABA LEFT

PROPHET OBADIAH, WHATS WRONG? NORTH KOREA NOT FIGHTING USA AGAIN. IS YOUR PROPHECY FALSE?

Okiki_Oluwa: That's not a problem. If you wanna go to hell? Just keep sinning. i.e, fornicate, steal, murdrer, lie etc. Refuse to repent & follow the path of Jesus Christ. You ll be given an apartment in hell on the judgement day.

Oh well, at the bold, your God did those stuff. Most pastors found of that are out there today. Most of the prophet in bible did those stuff. Are they going to hell too? The people before Jesus in the bible like enoch and elijah didn't believe in Jesus nor follow his teaching. They make it to heaven, how come pls? From this illustration, your whole ancestors are in hell burning.

If you wanna go to Heaven, the place of joy. Repent from your sins asap, accept Jesus as your Lord (John 3:16), get a copy of the Bible, seek guidance & more information from the Church of God (I ll recommend Redeemed Christian Church of God, Christ Apostolic Church, Deeper Life, Mountain of Fire & Miracles) in order to remain with Jesus & don't ever go back into sin (backsliding). Shalom...

Repent from what? Did Jesus tell you he died for the whole world or you read it in the bible (the perfect edited volume of books from criminals in the wing of catholic)? You are even refering me to read a bible, which bible pls? The catholic bible or the protestant bible or the orthodox bible? You want me to include the apocrypha? Which version is good for reading? King James version or Revised Standard version Or new world translation? Do you know the authors of this books edited them to suit their own doctrine? What the mess are the churches you listed? You mean catholic, anglican, baptist, methodist, cross bearer, Jehovah witness and other christian sect members are not allowed into heaven? So you choose for me new generation churches. Are those old generation churches member hell bond?


You are greatly deluded

You really know that he came here to just whyne people.

Not necessary you accept my words, dont forget you invite non-christian.
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I can only play with my friends in their house but cant eat their food. if I do, they will give me witch

Scared of Dark room. Thought my dead neighbour comes around in the dark hour

I do believe any old men and old women in the community are witches and wizard causing bad luck

bolaino: hahahaha, ooman, talk true make devil shame, so u no dey chop christmas rice?

Is christmas the day set to honour Jesus or some Roman Pagan gods?

#zombie claiming to be happy

Without God in me, Im happy

I thought God pour some palmwine in coconut

Does the DNA contained God signature? Where is this God writing learnt from? Did he write in english or yoruba or hebrew? Who made the pen he used in writing this information :big or eleganza?

When it rain and the sun shine at the same time, the lioness gave birth. It implies the water is for bathing and the sun for drying the baby skin. Also for preventing the lioness from eating the baby

Okiki_Oluwa: After reading all your v posted, you murdered it by the last sentence. I believe that Heaven & Hell is real. That's why I created this thread to know the fate of our Ancestors
Remember we still don't know whether our Forefathers ll make it to Heaven or not. That's the reason for the creation of this thread.

You believe in Hell and Heaven? Pls can you direct me there, I want to take some shot there.

striktlymi: Hey Okiki,

I believe firmly that our fore-fathers who did right in line with sincerity and the principles of right conscience, will definitely make heaven...

Morality is evolutionary. Whats good today might not be moral tomorrow. Back in those days, some men are mostly warriors, killing and destroying properties, enslaving and barbaric in their nature. Will the same God that says thou shall not kill judge those dead ancestors?


Ancestors in my our land are worship as God. Didn't your God says he will destroy other gods?

Our ancestors are gone and thats all. Their brain holding information about there past is dead and totally destroyed. So judging a zombie is like casting a stick into fire. They dont have consciousness neither are they aware of the judgement or environment. In short, no judgement

obadiah777: DO YOU BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION OR DO YOU THINK IT IS A DOCTRINE OF DEMONS FROM THE PITS OF HELL @ OP

Oh yeah, reincarnation works. Those ancestors will be eaten by some lower organism. And the love organism be take over by higher ones. They are passed into generations. Hope you not killing rats in the graveyards? They are eating dead corpse. So you grow with the ancestors in you, and you are products of millions of dead plants and animals.


Reincarnation of Obadiah I believe.

Our ancestors were eaten by maggots and the decomposed served as nutrient to plants. Maggots were eaten by lizards, plants eaten by herbivorous animal. Lizard were eaten by higher animal. Those food chain are re-cycled from our ancestors days to their children, grand-children and to us. We ate our ancestors and they live in us.


My ancestors live in the body of those living today, they are present in the inorganic matters. They are today fossil. They are in the nature. And we or the product of nature are them.


No Hell or Heaven.



My two cent

Fairy tales

nnofaith: 1.why would a benevolent god give people cancer?
2.why would god allow you to heal only one person and not everybody?

christians have formed there own version of Taqiyya: Islamic doctrine of deceit to defend and promote Islam...

Yooguyz: @FOLYKAZE, just because you haven't seen an amputee healed doesn't mean one hasn't happened

m.youtube.com/watch?v=S6XLe3rYQzM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DS6XLe3rYQzM

as for cancer, i have been opportuned to be used by God to heal some one that has cancer.

Is this christian version of Taqiyya: Islamic doctrine of deceit to defend and promote Islam...?


That video didn't show any amputee healed. It look more or less like a video game called God's Hand. Edition and manipulation to deceive people.


You healed a cancer patient? I can forward you to hospitals here so that you can heal more cancer patients.

Moreover, why would a benevolent God plague human with cancer? Do you know the pains it victims experience? If cancer can co-exist with God on his throne, then, God is not omniscient and not omnipotent. Using you to heal one person is also wicked. He should use to for worldwide healing from where you are. Can your God do this? If he cant, then he is a trash

3cassava sticks: Ok fine, continue pondering the intricate details of fairy tales. have fun

Almighty flying Pig, root out this man called cassava and his stick. It him up in your drummy belly. Snout him to planet Mars. I didn't pray for him to die but I think plant like him can still survive there.

#ramen

2cassava sticks: Fine, we are on the same lane. Why then are you bothered about the fairy tale na? Smart people don't go around arguing whether Gandalf the Grey actually died to become Gandalf the White in Lord of the Rings.

Unnecessary arguments over fairytales gives them undeserved credence wouldn't you agree? By arguing over such things, you make yourself twice the i[color=#000000]dio[/color]t as the person you are arguing with. Don't be an i[color=#000000]dio[/color]t please. let them have exclusivity to that condition.

use your binocular pls. I reason with people that give the chance. If they can prove their stance, good for them

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You lost me here, can you re-phrase this sentence?

What we have in the dead saint return is that they entered into the city where people see them. We didn't have any recorded beyond that.

You are making assumptions here again. What lost relatives coming back are you talking about?

Are you saying those dead saints didn't have family, neighbour or friends in their lifetime? If not, they are strangers not resurrected. You can only say someone resurrect if you know from a source that the person in particular is dead. And for those friends, family and neighbours that witnessed this, wont they be amazed and rejoiced?

What was momentous was the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ which i'm sure you choose to disbelief though severally recorded in the scriptures. Any other resurrection pales in significance till today.

Holding onto the record in the bible, Resurrection of Jesus or anybody is momentous. Lot of people gathered to meet Jesus and they are rejoiced when they see things with their eyes. Lazarus, Dorcas and the little boy resurrected by Elijah is momentous. People are there to witnessed it and those that see them are amazed. I disbelief in those stuffs cuz there is no evidence to back it up.
What you call resurrection of Jesus was theorized by some christian scholars to be:
-stolen body theory
-missing body theory
-Swoon Theory
-Drugged-Body Theory
-Twin Theory
-Vision Theory
-Hypnosis Theory
-Spiritual Resurrection Theory.

No physical or logical evidence can be used to back Jesus resurrection, so it worth not beliving.

What do you mean by staged miracle that you have on tv today? i'm referring to the events of the past three months involving tv joshua, adeboye, kumuyi, oyedepo and oyakhilome, in their different domains all in Lagos, which you have ABSOLUTELY no idea of, not about some staged miracles that you have on your tv. The point you havefailed to grasp is that things that these pastors and their congregation considered important and miraculuous have happened in the past three months without your awareness, despite your proximity and the age of information and technolody that we are in. What is to speak for these events(3months ago till date) in fifty years time?

Is there anything special in preaching? What special is the message you are passing across. If they are rant, it got nothing to do with people awareness. Do you want me to record numbers of time my bird sing? But I can if the bird give birth to offspring without mating. Thats it.

personal opinion

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What impact do you think it had compared to the resurrection of Christ or to His crucifixion. Or compared to Peter raising a lame man at the beautiful gate? What parameters are you using for measurement apart from assumptions?

The whole impacts applies to that of Jesus. Changing people ideology and way of thinking. Adeboye said he drove a car from Ore to Lagos without fuel. I can buy my own car and take it to him for prayer so that I can save the fueling fee for something else. If what adeboye said cant do without people thinking, it just a mere saying.

You are arguing against yourself here, no one said it was a momentous event except you. All everyone cares about is the resurrection of our Lord.

If dead returns means nothing to you, then Jesus death and return means nothing too.

hasty generalisations and assumptions yet again. Who does the Bible even say that they appeared to again?

I asked same question. You should answer that cuz you believe in the bible. Who pls?

Any proofs to this, especially of the events in the past three months that i spoke of, or this is the usual lazy armchair wave of unbelief?

You have proof that this is what happened in the past three months in pastors kumuyi, adeboye, oyedepo and cos programmes?

What prove do you want from me? Did you see me claiming anything here? Present those stuff which are significant to you from them, then I will investigate to see if it true or not.

You have proof to back up this assertions and accusation of millions?

I guess you missed the testimony hours. Lol

please give me three instances of miracles that 'made history'? thanks.

nothing like miracle.

So until something catches the world's attention, it didn't happen? or what sort of logic/analogy are you using here? How many of the Bible miracles caught the world's attention outside the Bible writers? You think it was the talk of the town in Rome and Libya outside of the believers spreading the news? What is the meaning of a testimony?

Lol, you want me to tell you that I was blind since birth and my eye opened merely by mentioning Jesus? WORLD does not necessary mean the whole earth. Get that. But someone must be involved to witness and prove such thing happened.

I meet a satanist some months ago that told me things like this.



O well, I will choose hell or rather the muslim paradise. I was sick back in those days worshipping yahweh in the church. Between two to four hours worshipping, I will easily get tired and feeling sleepy cuz of continuous repetition. How much more if I visit heaven and sing with the angels on piano for eternity? What exactly will happen to me? Sleeping or Sick Eternally


In Hell it merry all days, In muslim paradise it virgins with ocean of wine and my own mansion. I never get tired of partyling and chilling with hot babes.

biafranqueen: Is that not idol worship Catholics Peeps?

All religious and non-religious (atheist) folks are Idolators aka pagan.

Catholic worship constructed Mary status.

Protestant worship their pastors (winners member pray to God of Oyedepo, Redeem members pray to God of Baba Adeboye, etc therefore they are idolizing their pastors)

Muslims worshipping the black stone and kabba

Atheist are self-made God like Rick Ross put it. They give their honour and praises to their brain.

Buddhist worship the image of Buddha or give honour to Natural force/Nature.



All religion and believe today are products of pagan. As Atheist, my own brain is my GOD, LORD AND THE GIVERS OF MY LIFE. If it die today, im done too. Whatsoever you believe in are redefine and at end returns to paganism. We are united in Paganism. And the world would be one- John lennon.