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No God lives in Me.. I am Me

Bible > 1 Timothy > Chapter 6 > Verse 16
◄ 1 Timothy 6:16 ►
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who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

New Living Translation
He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

English Standard Version
who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

Berean Study Bible
He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Berean Literal Bible
alone having immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one of men has seen nor is able to see, to whom be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

New American Standard Bible
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

King James Bible
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the only One who has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; no one has seen or can see Him, to Him be honor and eternal might. Amen.

International Standard Version
He alone has endless life and lives in inaccessible light. No one has ever seen him, nor can anyone see him. Honor and eternal power belong to him! Amen.

NET Bible
He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light, whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
He who alone is uncorrupted and dwelling in light that a human cannot approach and which none of the children of men has seen, nor can see, to whom be honor and authority to the eternity of eternities. Amen.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He is the only one who cannot die. He lives in light that no one can come near. No one has seen him, nor can they see him. Honor and power belong to him forever! Amen.

New American Standard 1977
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Jubilee Bible 2000
the only one who has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man has seen nor can see, to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

King James 2000 Bible
Who only has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

American King James Version
Who only has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach to; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

American Standard Version
who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Who only hath immortality, and inhabiteth light inaccessible, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and empire everlasting. Amen.

Darby Bible Translation
who only has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor is able to see; to whom [be] honour and eternal might. Amen.

English Revised Version
who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power eternal. Amen.

Webster's Bible Translation
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

Weymouth New Testament
who alone possesses immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, and whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be eternal honour and power! Amen.

World English Bible
who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Young's Literal Translation
who only is having immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable, whom no one of men did see, nor is able to see, to whom is honour and might age-during! Amen.

Are you now a biblical christian?

Remilekun101:
When you read THE GRAIL MESSAGE, you will understand who my God is

I dont have access to this.

Can you briefly tell us whom your God is? Name?

Remilekun101:
How do you come about the concept of My God?.. Do you know where i read about him? Who told you i read the bible?.. Dude stop jumping into conclusion... ask and i will tell you... i repeat My God doesn't hate knowledge




How do you come about the concept of My God?.. Do you know where i read about him? Who told you i read the bible?.. Dude stop jumping into conclusion... ask and i will tell you... i repeat My God doesn't hate knowledge

Who is this the Christ Christian God?

Remilekun101:
I am not a Biblical Christian.. I'm a Christ Christian(I only follow the teaching of Christ).. It is a good field of endeavor if you have time

My God is not against knowledge

what do you mean by christ christian? Does that mean you dont follow the bible teaching?

Jesus once told those who would follow him to hate others in their surrounding. Do you hate your own people?

Your God hates knowledge. Knowledge beget self awareness, morality and intelligence. These are the quality of a God. Your God do not want a rival God. He is a jealous creature and hates men acquiring knowledge because he knew getting knowledge makes man eternal living God

Remilekun101:
There is error in that statement... What makes Man a GOD?

power, admiration, adoration and influence.

Every conscious person in Yoruba spirituality are gods.

Jesus christ acknowledge men are Gods.

In imperial cults, Apotheosis state, and ancient civilization, we men are Gods

Remilekun101:
neutralism is atheism... but the new world atheists have now included the abuse of the God Head

Nuetrality is the idea of not taking sides or position. In this case, two sides or position is acknowledged but not accepted.

Atheism do not even accept this side exist.

I hope you get the difference here?

Remilekun101:
for it to be a FACT, it must have been proved.....

He said the only God he knows is human.

What proof do you want?

That you dont know Man existing or what?

ifeness:
In Yoruba cosmology,yes. That is the name given to the divine spark within us by the Yorubas. We are the Eledumare. The goal so far is to discover it and come to know the fact that it has been a game all along.

However many of us are trapped in re-legion. Worshiping someone means we are not self appreciative. It's like a black man wishing to be Arab or Asian. Embracing the Eledumare means appreciating that you exist and will always exist,since we are pure energy.

The last time I checked. . . .Oba bi Olorun o Si.

Ko si eni bi Eledumare.

I hope you understand the Yoruba words there?

AmunRaOlodumare:
Yes, I don't think Africans were atheists either. In general, traditionalists acknowledge the existence of a divine creator of all things even if they admittedly don't know much about those far away times. Although atheism is a perfectly understandable position for someone who doesn't have any or limited spiritual knowledge (which I think was rare in traditional African societies).

Atheisms is nothing but the noise of people who cannot justify a religion belief.

They are not ignorant about spiritualism. I can tell that they are mostly ex-faith men. So they know about their ex faith but only make noise, curse and wail because they justify their ex belief

AmunRaOlodumare:
It is a possibility. My own graph show that agnostic theism is a different category than atheism. I've seen different categorization before but can't find it which included agnostic theism in the atheism category. Let's say it's part of the same scale in a in-between position between theists and atheists. As a agnostic theist, we can gather, you completely understand people who don't believe in god, religion, spirits, metaphysical world if they have not experienced it. There's no "leap of faith" in traditional religions. Religions is something to be experienced and lived in everyday life. It's not a doctrine but knowledge about the universe which according to them include the metaphysical world.

This is nicely put.

I agree traditional religion is more related to agnostic theism. We care less about if God exist or not in our religion.

The point I disagree with you is where you said Africans were atheists before contact with western atheism.

We could be agnostics but far from atheism because every Africans agree that Supremem God exists

AmunRaOlodumare:
Agnostic theism is a form of Atheism

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Theological_positions.svg/513px-Theological_positions.svg.png

In the image above, it is included in the Atheist circle.

Do you in anyway mistaken agnostic atheism to agnostic theism?

AmunRaOlodumare:
I think I said it simply but I can explain it to you again. Of course atheism, agnotism are new words that didn't exist in African languages in their exact dictionary definition. Those are words that even ordinary people (Europeans, Americans, English speakers in general) don't often use. Even those people who are actually agnostic and atheist. Intellectuals and scientists use words like atheism or agnosticism. But said simply, most African traditions don't worship the creator god directly while the creator god is said to have existed, he is viewed as distant. Which is a view that approach Agnostic theism. A form of agnostic theism. A greater importance is given to our ancestors, our own spirit, our community, our values and customs, etc.

Take a look at the definition of Agnostic theism (sorry for using Wiki but it's ok for simple definition sometimes):




Consider this: It can also mean that there is one high ruler, but it is unknowable or unknown who or what it is.

Isn't it very close to African traditional belief? No African traditions pretend to know god directly. Any human who do is obviously lying to you.

I'm sure you can nitpick the exact definition of Agnostic theism and find many contradiction with traditional beliefs (for example, the high god is unknowable but the spirits are much more knowable. They can even be our grandfather for example). Does all "Agnostic theists", whoever they are, really allow so much knowledge about spirits and ancestors, etc. Still I think traditional belief in Africa can be viewed as a form of Agnostic theism. Would traditionalists define themselves as such: no. Very few English speakers beside intellectuals do anyway (some ordinary people are agnostic theists without knowing the dictionary definition of it). It's just us, me and you and those reading those lines, as intellectuals, that we can see the similarities.

As a scientists you understand why African religions were developed that way. It is preposterous to pretend to know what god is thinking, what god wants, the exact nature of god, etc. It can lead to many contradiction (why does god -the most powerful being- allow this and that, why doesn't he speaks to us directly, etc, etc). Nobody saw him, knows his exact intentions with humans either, but many people feel him through the spiritual essence given to our ancestors and all matter around us. African traditions are knowledge about the spiritual world, not blind faith. This knowledge can have some differences from one family to another, from one town to another, one ethnic group to another, etc. For example, some people could have knowledge of Ogun either under a different name or with different attributes and stories around him, etc. Some could have no knowledge of him at all. It is the nature of knowledge to be different from one person to another, from one period of time to another. Ancient Greeks (and Ancient Egyptians) were themselves traditionalists who, combined with the development of writing, lead them to science, because their traditional belief were not about blind faith or doctrines (about what god wants or not wants) but simply knowledge about our universe which according to them included the metaphysical world as well as mathematics, chemistry, medicine, etc.

Thanks for your contribution sir.

Agnostic theism is opposing to atheism. African theists relate with God through intermediaries like demigods and orisha. This proof that they believe these gods exist to which atheism oppose

Remilekun101:
neutralism is atheism... but the new world atheists have now included the abuse of the God Head

Neutrality is secularism. Both does not rule out the existence of God but only dont show conern to any God

Remilekun101:
The earliest and most documented civilization have read about is the Egyptians... even in the mist of their gods and goddess, people who where neutral still existed

Been neutral is not atheism

FOLYKAZE:
Evidence pls.
Attack on God was perpetrted by African warlord. They destroy an mock Gods of those conquered. However, they were not atheists.

Been neutral is not atheism.

frank317:
how? tradition is different from religion. so how did the traditional religion integrate our cultural system? you are making no point above. u obviously have nothing to say.

Traditional religion integrate with our cultural value and identity. The clear evidence is in our names. I made mention of Osabunmi, Fashola, Amosun and loke others are names integrated into traditional religion.

These names in most cases have improve our cultural value and identity. They have there root in religion and not science. We are not named after biology or ecology.

And if you dont know, religion is an integrated part of culture.

frank317:
read the link.. and it has noting to do with religion. are u for real? pls dont waste my time if u have nothing to say. Again, the argument is not if there is moral philosophy in Nigeria... its how did religion spread moral philosophy in Nigeria. i think the little morality we have here is because of our culture and not religion. i repeat, religion has active breed hypocrisy, segregation and self righteousness, No morality.

Religion makea up what we call cultue.

Religion especially the traditional one has breed tolerance, compasssion and patience.

Christianity preach love, peace and whole lot of given.

Scientifical invention have aided mass death.

frank317:
if only u could be that honest and stop looking for reason to argue.

Argue without bias.

frank317:
so? are you saying you saying u prefer using donkey to go to Cameroon

Afterall you are not denying accidents from ypur so called modern transport system has cost millions of lives wasted compare to movement with donkeys, camels and horses.

It is heartbreaking and exposes the wickedness of your health that you aint concerned about live wasted in accident but glorification of science of massive death is all you wish for.

I travel with my heart in mouth cause I dont know what couls happen next at the mercy of my driver. I prefer donkeys and horses overtime.

frank317:
again, so? seems you like arguing for nothing. did the communication system improve or not? how many of your family members have died from radiation. Pls Mr. Foly... no one is saying science is perfect.

Mr Frank. Pls argue not on emotions but facts.

Is the cell phone network signal but causing some radiation damages on our lives?

Improvement is nothing when I have a priceless life dying slowly to radiation effects which at end leads to Cancer.

frank317:
keep on lying to win an argument. i am sure you or none of your family members have used the hospital before. i dont have time for this.

Mr, I cannot rule out when I was born but if I can go back till i can remember, I dont see myself admitted in the hoapital. I dont use modern medicine. I only take herbs and that has been working fine for me.

My wife was withdrew from the General hospital because we were denied to perform our family rite. It was when my wife was labouring I got to know we have rite for pregnant women who carries family babies. It was after the rite was done she gave birth while your useless hoapital were advocating for operation.

I am not arguing hospital have no relevance but the itch is that they have not improve anything concerning health base on life expectancy.

frank317:
what are you saying. would you prefer inhibit her desire to exhibit and molest young boys instead? how does cossy's nude affect anything here. are u saying because of cossy's nude pix, we should stop rights like freedom of religion?

It is no lie that science has increases vulgarity.

frank317:
religion have a hold on what? does religion improve the power system?

Religion finance it.
.

frank317:
are you actually saying that agricultural science has not improved our general agricultural system? According to Folykaze, every student studying Agric science is wasting his time.

Twisting my words is hypocrisy.

Agriculture is broad and I centered my arguement on Botany and Animal science.

Modern science introduce genetic engineering into animals which is deadly for consumption. You have not denied engineered meat is harmful unlike Nomadic meat which is safe.

The processed food you eat kills you because science has battered it with useless chemicals.

frank317:
ya right, all the rural areas that are dying to start using improved home appliances are senseless. why are you online again? why are u using computers or phone? are u for real?

Wole Soyinka built his house in the far bush running from the sick world.

frank317:
lol religion has helped us understand earthquakes and solar systems. you have not seen science domesticating new animals.. so? people are working their ass off trying to make your environment echo friendly and u sit in your house and type trash.
whats trash? how is it trash.. well, ur opinion.

You are not denying my facts.

Domestication of animals is the success of the ancient men who engage fully in religion.

Dodans have advance knowledge of the solar system. They practise their solar observation as a form of religion rite.

frank317:
ok, are u now saying ancient science is religion? i dont get you. i thought we were talking about science or is there difference morden science and ancient science?
Guy stop wasting my time, u have nothing to say.

Ancient science has more to do with spiritualism, mystics and religion.

A close look at Alchemy shows it is not modern science but a complet form of religion.


Now that ypu have agreed that Science is not perfect and have it own defeat, why do ypu cast all blames of killing, segregation and hatred on religion? Why are you generalizing? Science kills just like politics and religion but you lots are found of casting whole blame on religion

Remilekun101:
The Concept of Atheism has been in existence since the first recorded civilization.. But the attack on God is majorly influenced by whitemen

Evidence pls.

Attack on God was perpetrted by African warlord. They destroy an mock Gods of those conquered. However, they were not atheists.

dalaman:
What was the average life expectancy of the average Nigerian 500 year ago before the white people introduced us to modern science and technology? What is the religious technique or process used in the cultivation of food? Is it not the same religion that was used to enslave us? Which religious way do people use to cure diseases like Malaria and typhoid? How do you use religion to travel from point A to point B? How do you use religion to communicate to a person staying 2000 km away from you? Please tell us.

If you have an authentic report that prooves that life expectancy has increased in africa since modern science came, I will give it up to you. However, people live longer than we have now. I have watched burial ceremony of mothers and fathers who live more than 100 years. We dont have such in our society today because we are exposed to too many dangers from your so called science.

Practically, religipn contribute to cultivation food. in the process pf worshipping Iyale, whatever is made as sacrifice to it is manure to the soil.

Slavery. . . I saw in the movie Django unchained when a slave master was trying to justify Black submissiveness with practical science. Some racist scientist uses science theory to justify slavery. Why dont you balme them?

Religion contributed immensely to funding of disease cure. The christian society is a proof.

People in the past still communicate. This is not an issue.

And we travel using animal which is saver and more fun than modern yransport system which kills in millions

Nevertheless, my point is tht religion should not be blame like frank is doing for killings, death and segregation.

And back to the OP, do you agree atheism was brought by whitemen who brought Christianity?

dalaman:
I ask which value has traditional religion added?

marriage becomes a sacred institution unlike in the western world.

With this we reduce divorce rate.

dalaman:
Does Nigeria look like a society that knows what morality is?

We are not politcally outstanding but we are morally upright.

Something I call home-training.

https://www.nairaland.com/2522834/father-sends-us-born-teen-sons/

dalaman:
Is there any form of justice and human right in Nigeria?

Science didnt make it better.

dalaman:
Is there value for human life in Nigeria?

Science promotes abortion. Nope?

dalaman:
Does Nigeria have the look of a sane society where things are in order? Are laws being upheld? Are the people law abiding?

Science does not make it better.

dalaman:
Less vulgarity? Less social vices? Look at all the human development index and tell me how the African nations measure up. Which the endemic corruption and culture of hypocrisy that we have created, how have the various religions helped us in creating a sane and organized society that is functioning? Is Nigeria a well functioning and organized society? How has our religion helped us in attaining that?

Corruption is a poitical problem. It has nothing to do with religion and science here.

dalaman:
What industrial base have the graduates created? What ground breaking scientific inventions have they been able to achieve? Your wealthy citizens can not even send their dogs to your hospitals yet you are talking about health services. What is the average life expectancy compared to that of others? Can Africans on their own deal with deadly epidemics like Ebola , SARS and bird flu? How functional are your soup kitchens in Nigeria for example?

Do you know what the argument is all about??

Maybe you need to read up before jumping into the discussion.

Can you explain how science has helpe Nigeria as a nation with what you listed there?

dalaman:
You are yet to list one advantage of religion in Africa, you just attempted to state some but we know it is all false because we are also Africans and we can't see how religion has helped Africa develop or compete with others in anyway. We still remain at the bottom of the ladder despite our overtly religious disposition.

I have done that Mr.

Even Frank agreed to it.

Christianity gives much aid to Africa.

How effective that aids eliminate poverty is not problem of religion.

frank317:
lie, Religion has in no way integrated our cultural values and identity, pls stop spreading lies.

traditional religion does.

As per Identity, people bear Osabunmi, Mark and others. We are not named after biology, chemistry or physics.

Cultural heritage is been promoted by Traditional religion.

frank317:
moral philosophy? how? you didnt see how it has encouraged hypocrisy and self righteousness in the name of moral philosophy?

https://www.nairaland.com/2522834/father-sends-us-born-teen-sons/


If there is moral philosophy there, they wouldnt have send their sons to Nigeria to learn things.

frank317:
agreed.

Thanks there

frank317:
Better transport system

More death through accident.

There were lesser accident which could lead to death when we were using horse, camel and donkeys.

frank317:
better means of communication

Network signal kills with it radiation.

frank317:
better health system

There is nothing better in our health system.

Life expectancy is below 70 and keeps decreasing.

frank317:
sensitization on human right

Yes like sleeping with co-male and female.

Sleeping with corpse.

Cossy releasing her nude pic.

Is that human right or madness?

frank317:
improve social amenities

Religion have hold of that

frank317:
better agricultural system

Religion have hold of that.

Nomadic fulanis believes Cows are sacred and meat should not be engineered. Engineered meat cause diseases. The Nomadic fulani cow is the best as danger to health is concerned.

The art of rearing animals as more to do with religion (hinduism, Gaia, Iyale) than Science.

The end product of modern science kills.

frank317:
improve living condition in terms of home appliances

Pollution kills.

I prefare living in villa than enjoy home appliances in cities.

frank317:
gives us a better understanding of our environment and beyond

Spiritualism too does.

Religious people understand astrology, plants, animals and natural environment.

I have not seen your science domesticating new animals now.

frank317:
helped us think smarter

This is trash.

frank317:
helped is discover solid minerals and make good use of them. etc

Mining has been in existence thousands of years ago before the arrival of modern science.

dalaman:
Which cultural values and how has it helped in the development of African when Africans still believe that the Jews, Arabs and Europeans are their superiors and Gods?

https://www.nairaland.com/2522834/father-sends-us-born-teen-sons/

Traditional religion has imparted more moral value and know with it cultural idenity which science didnt do.

Value: tourism which add money to government pulse.

dalaman:
Does Africa look like a place that is morally grounded, where is the value for human life? What about human rights? In which part of Africa is that promoted? How has the religions helped us to live morally? Does Nigeria look like a nation that knows anything about morality?

less Vugality.

Less divorce

and social vices.

dalaman:
And we have used the aid to better our lives in what way? How has the aid increased our live expectancy as a people?

Graduates were produced thorugh catholic church in school sponsorship.

Medical ministry, food aid and countless voluntary service from the church.

Social institution like homeless servive, hospitals andrefugee camps have helped us in one way or the other.

dalaman:
Many more what? Many more thrash abi? Abegi.

Many more pros of religion to African society

WarRLaY:
dude, Trash or not Trash , baseless argument with you won't provide money

Ok

ifeness:
May I ask who Eledumare is? I am not saying there isn't,but who is it? I like to know things before accepting them. I have my take on what Eledumare is but I would like yours first.

Eledumare is the supreme being in Yoruba spiritualism.

I think of Eledumare as the source of everything that exist. This is the reason why Yoruba people tag it as the maker of infinite possibilities.

The fact I dont understand is why it is not worshipped. Why no one claim contact but it remain the unravel mystery.

Iba Edumare.

frank317:
turn blind eyes to the nagetivity of science? how? did i tell you science was perfect. again... compare pros and cons, i repeat, pros and cons.

tell me three good things religion had brought to Africa, just three as for science i will mention ten.

Integration of cultural value and identity.

Founding and spreading of moral philosophy.

Christianity gives Aid to Africa.



Ati be be lo. ( and many lot more)

Bring on your ten benefits of science make I shred am

ifeness:
Another look at it. If I notice that someone who I think has supernatural power is actually using a form of technology I will stop seeing them as super-humans. The term "God's" came from humans who think these creatures are too advance. Therefore the term "God" was born

A lot of Africans have actually met with the "Gods" and bowed to their kneels,so did the whites. But something happened......

Humans started mingling with some ETs(gods) who pitied our position,gods who saw us as their equal and therefore started teaching humans to be like them. It is no surprise well documented books about the help from the ETs have been destroyed by the evil roman Catholics.

As I was saying,we got technological help,astrological help(check the dogans) they told us the planets they came from. Man infact went as far as building a Star gate(a port hole to another world) and this angered the rest of the gods. They came down and destroyed it,scartterd humans across the planet and gave us laws and religion.


Let me not say too much. Basically some humans in Africa still know that the gods are equal to them. These ones were made kings and that way it remained 50/50. They became human god over humans. Now with that deal on,the gods did as they wished. Same thing happened in Egypt,Israel,the native Americans and also the white race.

My point is well informed secularism knows what the "gods" are.

ETT is not Eledumare. It could be Orisha but wont make supreme being. All African cultures hold stand in the existence of Supreme God. The demigods or deifed heroes/ETT are not not Supreme Gods. Remember in our tradition we have creatures like Ebora, Egbere, Iwin and lot more. These could exist but they are not God (Supreme Being).

And I think we are derailing away from the subject matter.

Do you agree atheism is alien to African culture?

ifeness:
As the name implies, theist believe in god and atheist is the disbelieve.

At the same time,an African named Credo Mutwa believe the "gods" we flesh and blood who had advanced technology,wrongly termed as supernatural to their worshipers. Credo believed the gods could actually be killed,hence that is some worth beyond atheism.

I personally think the gods were real,like yemeja etc but physical beings that I do not have to worship. Now that is another case for another debate.

Believe in ETT as God/Gods is samething as theism. It is totally opposing atheism.

In Africa, God's temple and artifacts are mostly been burnt and destroyed especially during war. This is directly related to killing blood and flesh.

No matter how you rule it, there is a little substance of theism in every Africans back then. There is nothing like atheism in our continent till Whitemen came.

Secularism was very popular. However, secularism does not rule out the existence of God. Many dont partake in worshippping of Ogun but they dont dismiss existence of Ogun.

ifeness:
As the name implies, theist believe in god and atheist is the disbelieve.
At the same time,an African named Credo Mutwa believe the "gods" we flesh and blood who had advanced technology,wrongly termed as supernatural to their worshipers. Credo believed the gods could actually be killed,hence that is some worth beyond atheism.
I personally think the gods were real,like yemeja etc but physical beings that I do not have to worship. Now that is another case for another debate.

Perfectly put.
There are no record of any man in Africa before contact with Whiteman who reject, deny and disbleieve in the existence of God.
Much as we know, atheism is alien to us not until the whitemen came. So we can conclude they brought it.
On a lighter note, Africans reject or refuse to worship it. This is not atheism.

ifeness:
You still don't get it. Atheism is a curious state of mind which means show me the evidence and I will believe you.I personally hated praying to a god when I was a kid. I always buy stuff with my offering money and never said my prayers. I never believed in a hell fire either. So you could say I have always been an atheist even when forced to church.

You are wrong about atheism coming from whites. A lot of white people patronized a black South African, Credo Mutwa(look him up if you can) to find many hidden knowledge of the world and ETs from him. This is how they made their research. Science,geometry actually came from ancient Egypt.

And besides lots of white people are as deluded as many black Christians. I have come across many whites who think Africans live on trees,due to their lack of knowledge.

I think the OP is not making his ground clear enough.

Is Christianity African? No

Is atheism African? Answer should be no.

Therefore like christianity, the godless idea is from the whitemen.

This is what the OP is trying to say

frank317:
i noticed that you just like arguing for arguing sake. instead of being quick to argue, take your time and compare the pros and cons of religion(especially islam, and christianity and maybe traditional misconceptions) with the pros and cons of scientific research and inventions.

besides, how many times have nuclear bombs destroyed your home? why bring it up like its haunting you? talking about off point

That I dont agree with some of your grounds mean I argue for argument sake? Let me laugh this off.

1. I acknowledge everything has two sides to it. Negative and positive. Even the thing about science, is that it can be used for good or evil purposes. My arguement is that you are too blind on seeing the positive side of religion while you push down the negative side of Almighty Science and shoove in our throat sweet side of it.

The only purpose of a nuclear bomb is to kill massive amounts of people including civilians and innocent souls. There is no comparison whatsoever as advantage it proffer.

Didnt you say religion has serve no purpose than to kill, segregate and destory? Even while this is feature of science though making of nuclear bomb, why did you turn blind eye on nuclear bomb which serve no purpose than to destroy massively lives of people and animals?

Religion has it importance so do science. We need not ridicule one for another. They both have their pro and cons.

2. US hit Japan twice with Nuclear weapon. Did bombing Japan saves lives? What value does bombing of Japan added to Mankind? Which religion will you blame that on?

3. I need to bring it here because you are becoming biased and your hypocrisy stinks. You are all about painting religion as if it is scientifical inventions like handgun, dynamites, TNT andother lether weapons. You are portraying religion as a seed of death, hatred, segregation and oppression. While you "foolishly" admit that Nuclear weapon has every evil features in it.

I was reading from daily curiosity last week when I found this quote on Dr Alfred who made dynamite.

""The erroneous publication in 1888 of a premature obituary of Nobel by a French newspaper, condemning his invention of dynamite, is said to have made him decide to leave a better legacy to the world after his death. The obituary stated Le marchand de la mort est mort ("The merchant of death is dead" and went on to say, "Dr. Alfred Nobel, who became rich by finding ways to kill more people faster than ever before, died yesterday."""

http://schools-wikipedia.org /wp/a/Alfred_Nobel.htm

with Science, he found massive death.

So why look away from this inventions and cast blames of death on Religion?

Do I need to move on to toxic release from your dead invented chemicals?

Do I need to disease caused by your useless engineered food and drugs?

Millions are dead through your wicked inventions all to put the blame on religion.

TKO

AmunRaOlodumare:
Yes, based on logic, rationality and science (History, Theology, etc), Christians are white ass lickers. The bible was written by Europeans and Jewish people. It's quite different than most traditional religions in the world (which they call pagans).

As most religions, Christianity, along with Judaism, Shinto (japan), Buddhism (India), Islam, Ancient Greek religions, Celtic traditions, etc, has some good aspects. It's just a religion created by other people like Shinto, Buddhism, Native American religions, etc. I mean a religion among many others. There's some bad aspect like the proselytising/fascist nature of Abrahamic religions which create divisions including among themselves (catholics vs protestants vs independants churches vs buddhism vs islam vs shiite, vs shia, etc). Proselytism is very rare for most religions in the world beside Abrahamic ones which are all related to the same Jewish tradition.

Atheism and agnosticism(a type of atheism) is very African. God is a great mystery to all of us humans but many of us can feel his presence by his divine essence given to everything in the world. The exact nature of god is unknown. We can seek god inside our soul and through our ancestors but it's never a one on one conversation with god like a phone call. It's mostly within ourselves and our community we can find him.

No book, no man or no organization can speak in the name of God. Those who pretend they do are obviously lying to you (for example, why would god choose the Jewish people as his chosen people, that's stupid. Jewish people understandably said that because they wanted to create some authority to their own religious Judaic belief which was new at a time).

No book, no man or no organization can speak in the name of God. We all just use intermediaries until (and if) we can speak/interact with him in person. Those who say to you they know exactly what god wants and wants you to do are obviously lying to you as if you were some naive child.

You said atheism is African?

Can you pls tell us how you arrive at this. I will leave every other things you said not countered. Just tell us atheism is african. Thank you

Runninghare:
Atheism: (narrowly) Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs).
(broadly) Rejection of belief that any deities exist (with or without a belief that no deities exist).
(very broadly) Absence of belief that any deities exist (including absence of the concept of deities).
(loosely) Absence of belief in a particular deity, pantheon, or religious doctrine (notwithstanding belief in other deities).

Christianity: An Abrahamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and various scholars who wrote the Christian Bible.

Belief:
Mental acceptance of a claim as likely true.

Faith or trust in the reality of something; often based upon one's own reasoning, trust in a claim, desire of actuality, and/or evidence considered.

Religion:
The belief in and worship of a supernatural controlling power, especially a personal god or gods

A particular system of faith and worship.

We know this, why you are telling us is what we dont understand.

The point you guys are missing in the OP is that. . .he holds the position that christianity gets to Africans through the white colonial masters. And the godless idea or let me say atheism as we know is alien to Africa and this idea is from the whitemen just like christians. So he concluded you both are white asslic.kers

frank317:
To destroy ur enemy during war. Do threaten ur enemy and dominate.

So what's ur point? How does this have anything with what I posted?

Not kill enemy. It is meant for mass destruction.

Nuclear bomb is a scientifical invention.

My point which you dont see is that you cornered killing, segregation and hypocrisy to religion while science you are defending does promote mass killing, hypocrisy and segregation.

Na lie?