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frank317:
Did i hear you say white man's RESEARCH?

seriously why does religious folks hate research, curiosity and question asking. Isnt religion the reason we scarcely hear black man's research? lok around you and you will see the positive effect of this research in our world today, what has ur researchless religion brought if not segregation, killing and hypocrisy? what exactly is ur point self?

What is the point of making a nuclear weapon pls?

WarRLaY:
Science is with prove and fact, Religion is with faith and believe.. they are 2 different things, it's easier to believe what can been seen,felt and touched than having faith in something that doesn't exist, besides being an atheist does not mean atheists worship science, they appreciate fact and reality. atheist on nairaland are not white ass lickers, they are people who appreciate knowledge and believe in powers of thinking,questioning and curiosity,I think our fore father are to be blamed for making research about blackmagics rather than science which the white folks did, magic has not helped anyone today, has it? , so I think you should have a rethink of what you wrote up there..

This is complete trash.

Athiesm is not science. Religionist also adopt science. Even some churches finance scinece project. This is why Catholic have their huge telescope.

The OP is arguing about the source of Christianity idea in Africa which is from the colonial masters. He aligned this to atheism which he believes is a notion hold by the same whitemen who brough Christianity. So he concluded that you atheists are whitemen asslic.kers just like he is because godless idea, and like he hold atheism is from them.

Planting atheism on science is another hypocrisy the OP is talking about. Historically, science starts from the temples. From Egypt temple to Greek altar of gods to muslim scientist in the islamic golden age were all spirtualist and religionist who conttibuted immensely to the development of science. I believe you dont want me to real out spiritual source of your so called science subjects. Alchmey birth chemistry. Astolatry birth astronomy. These become the subjects of science but were originally from the spiritual temple which you are throwing out as nothing.

You need to understand the difference between religion and dogmatism. Disregarding dogmatism is understandable but ruling on religion as dogmatism is serious undoing.

And why would you blame your ancestors because they practised magic? You should rather have yourself blamed because you couldnt bring new idea but have to throw away your ancestors idea and embraced the whitemen idea. You need to ask yourself what you have added to what your ancestors left behind. Medicine for example. What is your conttibution to traditional medicine? You are here. Your ancestors have gone. So you have that blame.

Atheism to the best I know is alien to Africa. So we can argue like the OP is doing that it is whitemen idea. Therefore just like a christian, you are whitemen asslic.kers

fastguy10:
May God run ur life d way Buhari is running ds country say
AMEN

Amen

May God run your life the way GEJ ran Nigeria. Let me hear you say amen

fx45:
Haile Hitler Buhari!

It has already started. The long and torturous journey back to the dark ages. Sai Chanji! Death to our hard-fought democracy.

In Yakubu Gowon's voice.... It is finished!

Ogbeni stop making fool of yourself.

The news is old and expired news.

Shouting Buhari here shows how foolish you are

Paitty:
Martins Amaewhule is actually from my community,..to be honest i don't feel an ounce of pity for him cus of the way the election was conducted

Sis pls how true is this news?

BlackMaria:
Beef is not discrimination. I give up.
Your types are the ones,who claim internet warriors but in the real world are cowards. Be careful what u wish 4.

Beef is not discrimination.

BlackMaria:
So a yoruba family having a dispute with another yoruba family is universal.
But you where painting the yorubas as been united without no issues now.

Family dispute is universal.

I hope that is too much for you to grap

BlackMaria:
So a yoruba family having a dispute with another yoruba family is universal.
But you where painting the yorubas as been united without no issues now.

Mr Man i have better things to do withh my time.

Cheers

BlackMaria:
Y u dey contradict ur-sef. We don't discriminate and some yoruba families don't give their children to deir fellow yoruba families 4 marriage. What are u smoking on. If that is not discrimination,what is it.

Family dispute is universal.

There are disputes among individuals.

That does not call for generalisation.

BlackMaria:
So in ur make-b'liv world,yorubas don't beef 1 another.
If we see 1 on 1,u dare not use the word 'FOOL'

Beef is not discrimination.

Ode.

Now do your worst

BlackMaria:
Ogbeni calm down jare,I said yorubas discriminate against 1 another.
Go and get ur facts,ekiti ppl don't like to mingle with ijebus.
Who is talking about marrying from other tribes or can't u read and understand what I'm saying.
My point is yorubas do discriminate against 1 another. It all depends on 1 personal orientation.
So reason b4 u reply.

Personal Orientation has nothing to do with a whole family.

Some families do not give their children to others does not make the whole Yoruba discriminating against others or self

BlackMaria:
Yorubas don't discriminate and u just used the word 'Fool' against ur fellow yoruba fellow.
Funny how ppl just spun trash on a faceless forum. Wish we cud get to see 1 on 1.

Why would you lie on a whole tribe? That is foolishness.

If you see me one on one wetin you go do?

samfuntua:
I live in Port Harcourt. In Elekahia precisely and I know from public opinion that PDP is the party. APC is only with Amechi and some few sympathizers. During the last general election in my ward inside ODUMS, Apc were wooing voters with money openly and people are not voting for them and so they resort to violence

Na who ask you all this story?

Whatis the source of this op?

I no won start to dey dance ontop false news o

BlackMaria:
If u say so,but it's a fact that we yorubas discriminate against one another also.

Stop lying fool.

Yorubas dont discriminate against any one

BlackMaria:
Who cares bout ur post,all I'm telling u is yorubas discriminate against one another also.

I said that you are a dumb liar.

In Yoruba land, no one care if you marry a blind or cripple. Much that I can remember, the mysterious twins have wife. We dont care about the tribe you are from. Yoruba ladies marry from Hausa and Igbo. We are not animals which discriminate others because of tribe or ethnic.

Which Monday are we talkimg about here?

BlackMaria:
Bro,abeg stop telling a lie.
I lost my ex bcuz her parents said Ekiti don't mingle with ijebu.
I'm proudly ijebu and I don't care,who I get married to. Yorubas sef dey discriminate oh.

Lie

No one care here even if you marry Igbo ot Hausa

I dont care if PDP or APC win the rerun. What we want is free and fair election

This is the second coming of Christ Lord.

You should start the Biafra campaign and you would be washed from been Osu.

okomogo:
Tribunal can cancel the election and ask for a re-run for all I care, Quote me if you can APC CAN NEVER WIN ELECTIONS IN DELTA RIVERS AND AKWA IBOM STATE.

Na so so mouth them get like person wey dey chop bean cake

shepherd77:
It gonna be a tough one btw Peterside and Wike. I have the feeling Wike is going to win though i sorry APC.

The election is not about what you think. Let the people of Rivers decide who they want to rule them.

ThisMeansWAR:
hmmm you sound like a budhist to me.

Well, i cannot tell you what to call yourself or how to define your self...but i think you should remove the atheist from it. kinda contradictory, if you just believe in the teachings of these gods and not them, spiritual atheist would have made more sense like my friend that calls himself christian atheist....

Perhap. Just a spiritualist would have made more sense... Atheist that believes in god/s is just wrong...totally against the definition atheism.

I am not a Buddhist though I have read somethings about buddhism.

What do you think Spiritual atheism is?

I think there are buck of answers here:
http://www.centerforabetterworld.com/SpiritualAtheism/about-spiritual-atheism.htm

and

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100523130732AAme3Wf

Going by the definitions, I am a spiritual atheist.

I think the word 'Ignostics' fits here if not that I am not ignorant about this Gods

ThisMeansWAR:
sorry. Still trying to understand you without going crazy...

There is no need going crazy. If there is something you dont understand, just ask me pls.

ThisMeansWAR:
What you are try to say is, you believe that if thunder strikes anywhere now, its sango at work or it just represent what sango stood for?

Yes, when thunder strike, that is Sango manifesting in nature. Well actually, the anthropomorphization of Lightning and thunder is what Yoruba spiritualist call Sango.

I have a better explanation here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1447731 /renounce-atheism-agnosticism /5#18327019

ThisMeansWAR:
And you also believe ogun moulded human bones like christians believe that god created humans?

lol.

Allegorical accounts shouldn't be taken literally. Even some christians would agree that the creation account in genesis and some accounts in the bible shouldn't be taken literary. I back then when I enjoy reading bible decode that the tree of life in the garden of eden is 'intelligence' in the real sense and not literary a tree.

Allegorical, figurative, anthropomorphization and personification are adopted in Yoruba culture. Though the account of how man came to be or the universe are depited as work of man but those men are personification of natural entity. In Scientic/Naturalistic Pantheism identify Deity in Natural entities. Therefore, the deities which are been worshipped and revered and depited as human are simply personification of Natural entities.

In the creation account of the Yoruba people, Yemoja is the icy comet which serve as the source of water. She gave birth to life, vegetation, fresh water, wealth and lots more.

Obatala built the universe. He is personification of the light from the big bang.

Oduduwa represent matter.

So in the account of Ogun, we were told that Ogun moulded the bone of man. Decoding the account, Ogun represent everything metalic. Now, science states that Calcium is what makes bone. However, Calcium as it is known is a metalic chemical element. Therefore we conclude that Calcium been a metalic element is/was personifed as Ogun - the deity.

ThisMeansWAR:
Inshort, you believe gods exist right and each an everyone of em stood for something?

Firstly, how can a reasonable person disblieve in the existence of God? Well I think God needs to be defined here before invoking Psaml 14:1.

If you define a God as a supernatural person who created the universe and lives in the sky. This I dont believe in.

Nevertheless, we need to be realsitic with ourselves about what God is.

John 10:34, we men are Gods.

Exodus 22:28 Judges are refered to as God.

Gen 3:22 holds that having a moral potential is a quality of being divine or been God.

Now tell me how those Gods listed doesnt exist.

Let me move away from christianity.

Shakti is female principle of Energy. It is personification of Energy. She is a supreme God in Shaktism.

Brahman though depicted as deity in hindi philosophy but we know Brahman is what we call reality

Maya is devil in Hinduism but he is illusion.

So will you conclude those Deties do not exist?

You might well when you view them literally but when we explain in detail what these Gods are, disblieving in them is the greatest insanity.

So to your question, Yes, I believe God exist but not as Human living behind the wind.

I dont believe Jehovah is a human living in the sky.

I dont believe Allah is a human.

I dont believe Yemoja is a woman with long breast.

I dont believe Zeus is a man.

However, I believe Jehovah is a volcanic eruption which the middle eastern do not understand much.

I believe Iustitia/lady justice which is a greek goddess is not a lady but deification of Law and Justice.


I am an atheist. Spiritual atheist to be specific. I tend to define God and identify it with a natural entity. Therefore I posit that God does exist.

ThisMeansWAR:
could you elaborate on the gods and what they have to do with energy?

The gods and energy are the samethings. Just that the former is revered as divine entity while the latter is mere object in our surroundings. I think he difference lies in Scientifical pantheism and Naturalism.

A good example is Ogun. I have on this thread interpreted Ogun to be the scientifical entity called Iron which in the spiritual sense is a renowed deity (Orisa) among the Yoruba people. I madde my conclusion from the allegorical stories. Ogun moulded the bone of human in his workshop. Calcium is a metalic chemical element which makes up the bone. Do you see the correlation?

Science sees Iron which is a chemical element. Spiritualism go far deep in evaluating the divinity of this element which brought about worshiping of it as a God/gods.

So the question is what makes this things divine? Why is river a common entity but is been worship by some people? At what point does an entity gain a divinity statues? The Sun is ever in the sky, it is an object of worship to some people and natural entity to some.

This puts an end to the question on existence of God/gods.

Sango is lightening/thunder and an historical King in Yoruba kingdom. He represent Justice and rule of law. He does exist Yes. Out there is a lightning strike. It is natural occurence to science but in spiritualism, there is a divinity in it. It is very conscious.

ThisMeansWAR:
so you are talking abt science?

Science have nothing to do with gods

signature2012:
How I wish card readers was used in kano gov elections,or u want to tell me all those under age almajiris we saw on election day are credible electorate......Till now,no investigation to what killed the rec in kano.
APC is just after RIVERS and AKWA-IBOM,they can turn this country to only a single party,look @ what is happening in OSUN ruled by aregbesola,the masses are suffering,delayed salaries and he has even slash their salary.Cant we the masses fight our govt than fighting only PDP,with the media we should be able to fight any corrupt politician either from APC or PDP,but what I see most now in this present regime is,we are just fighting the past regime and not putting the present regime on their toes.

Wailing scumbag

udemejack:
ikpa my name no be Mr.Gaybriel abeg.her moniker says she is a female so i treat her as such.#dealwithit

Ngeneukwenu is not a female

change49ja:
Ngeneukwenu is female, Udemejack is male...so where's the 'gay alert'? Or I'm I missing something?

Ngene is a female?

He is definitely a male girl

udemejack:
NkeneUkwenu abeg kip it rolling in.
one hot kiss for you after the judgement

Gay Alert

Euro31:
Hypocrisy is when Buhari supports the independence of Palestinians but arrests Nnamdi Kanu for clamouring for Biafra

Carry your madness comot for here

Wow. He look cute