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What is the tree of life?

Is it really a tree?

Teempakguy:
the same as everybody else.

There is no universal or generally agreed definition of God.

Teempakguy:
we define God as a natural or supernatural being, who is thought of as holy, divine, or sacred.

Natural and supernatural is the same thing. Just that one has a scientifical explanation to it phenomenon while other do not.

Supernatural is a natural phenomenon which does not have scientifical explanation yet. Rainpour was supernatural phenomenon until there is explanation to it.

Sacred mean speciality.

Divinity is being God. This status seperate god entity from other common commodity. The reason is not been eaten in some southern nigeria is because of divinity status. I kill snakes because I do not perceive it as divine.

Divinity, Godlike, Supernatural and sacredity have fingerprints in natural entities that exist. Now tell us why you disbelieve something that exist naturally does not exist in your warped atheism logic.

Teempakguy:
mr man, gaia is NOT earth. mars is NOT a planet. those are just names given to objects to identify them not worship them. let's not get too ahead of ourselves here. you're literally choking logic to death.

lets take a trip to india.

It time for gho pooja

This is the time Indians worship the Goddess Kamadhenu.

Now look at the picture

[img]http://img.rasset.ie/0009aa03-942.jpg[/img]

Tell us who is Goddess Kamadhenu?

Now can you tell that woman Goddess Kamadhenu does not exist? What will she tell you?

If I were her, I will simply say you are mad or quote psalm 14:1

sukkot:
Like i said earlier, it depends on how you use your luciferian powers. if used in a bad way, you are a devil and satan. if used in a good way, you are a saint. its a thin line between sainthood and being the devil

Thanks

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol

Lucifer has its meaning and is Satan's name . Its like a beautiful girl named Amaka . Amaka means beauty . That does not mean every beautiful girl's name is Amaka

I tire o. I know Lucifer to be devil proper name.

But have you wonder why Catholic name the telescope with them lucifer?

sukkot:
yes Jesus is Lucifer.

revelation 2 vs 28 They will have the same authority I received from my Father, and I will also give them the morning star! << LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THE MORNING STAR IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE. IT IS A CELESTIAL GIFT BESTOWED ON THE RIGHTEOUS. SEE THE THING WITH AFRICANS AND ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IS THAT THEY NEVER UNDERSTAND THE ETYMOLOGY OF WORDS OR WHAT WORDS MEAN. THEY JUST BLINDLY FOLLOW THE CROWD AND AS SUCH ARE KNEE DEEP IN MYTHOLOGICAL ALLOCATION OF MEANING TO CERTAIN WORDS. LIKE THE WORD OCCULT ? OCCULT IS NOT A BAD WORD, BUT TO AN AFRICAN IT IS VERY BAD. OCCULT JUST MEANS HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE. ETC ETC

But this what I found on wiki

Later Christian tradition came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer" for the devil; as he was before his fall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Stconvict:
Actually, it is your position in atheism that represents insanity. We do believe in the existence of earth. But why do we have to call it Gaia, or even call it a goddess or even stupidly worship it for whatever reason?
You are not making sense. Why give them names or personalise them? Well except you are a poet. But the rest of us are not poets!

acknowledging the worth of earth means worshipping almighty gaia.

Anthropomorphication or personification of something is not that is new to human linguistic.

I can give name to something I worship to seperate it from other natural entities. People worship rivers, mountains, stars, moons by giving it another name. Telling Astrolatrist that Mars wich is greek god is not existing mean you are insane

sukkot:
Jesus is Lucifer. Lucifer is a title. it means ' illuminated one ' or you can say ' enlightened one '. Lucifer is a good title to have. however how you use your luciferian powers is what determines if you are a good lucifer or a bad lucifer. Jesus is a good Lucifer. Satan is a bad lucifer

they are both morning star. lucifer means morning star and Jesus is Lucifer

KingEbukablog come and see o.

Jesus is lucifer.

Obadiah777 aka Sukkot aka the armageddon priest doing it again

Teempakguy:
no . . . you see, your basic premise here is that God is one person. no. god is simply a human construct and varies along human cultures. buddhist don't believe in your god they believe in their god which they think is real. both Gods are not real. but each sect thinks their version is real while ignoring the others. atheism takes a bold step to recognize that none of the Gods are real. they are all figments of imagination..


for instance, greeks believe the sea belongs to poseidon. romans believe the sea belongs to neptune. they are both wrong. because the sea belongs to neither of these Gods. but each sect believes they are right.

No one is disputing the fact that there are different form of theism. No one also dispute that there is no one definition of what God is. No one dispute the fact that there are more than one concept of God. There are lot of roads that lead tto the market. Man see things differently.

The point you atheists fail to define is what concept of God do you disbelieve in?

What is your defintion of God?

Is your disbelief extended to apotheosis, astrolatry, Anthropotheism and natural pantheism which their God are existing?

Failing to tell us this makes atheism look like insanity. Because we will hold that you dont believe Gaia which represent Earth does not exist. I think only madmen can say that earth or gaia does not exist.

sukkot:
very true. the morning star is the second planet from the sun. venus, that is

Who is morning star, Jesus or Lucifer?

orisa37:
Thiest means Godist. Athiest is attacking Thiest, endevouring to find better understanding of his faith.
There is a target qualification for a Thiest, but until doomsday, there can be no target of knowledge, qualification and recognition for an athiest.

Some sect in buddhism do not hold believe in God. Yet they are theists

KingEbukasBlog:
@ FOLYKAZE

Does that mean that since I'm a christian and an atheist to every other god - tress , sun - that is worshiped (acknowledgement in your definition ) then they dont exist?

Elucidate please

There is difference between non-belief and disbelieve in existence.

Christians are non-believers not atheist to other Gods.

This same christianity acknowledge existence of other Gods like Zeus, Baal and other. It acknowledge trees, stars, Idols were worshipped as God. It acknowledge money is a God because it is been worshipped. Though they tag this God as impotent and not supreme or false idol but do not rule out there existence like atheists.

Atheism is not just disbelieve in God but disbelieve in the existence of God.

I know Bow and arrow can be used for hunting. But I dont believe it can do better than gun. I dont believe bow and arrow can give me some result so I abandon it for Gun which I believe in. This implies that I acknowledge bow and arrow exist but I dont believe it can help my hunting game better than Gun.



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sukkot:
you are a confused person. there is nothing imaginary about the celestial sphere. the delineations are fixed and marked by certain key stars. your knowledge is obviously just limited to the 9 planets and the sun so this conversation is over.

Morning star is part of the solar planets na.

Lecture them on that abeg

Teempakguy:
what the hell are you talking about? this logic does not follow.

disbelieving in Gaia does not mean that i don't believe the earth doesn't exist. i just don't believe that the earth is gaia.

also, atheists do not disbelieve in everything termed God, but however, everything worshiped as god. i could name my pet God. i could create a game and have Gods in it. kratos is "God of War" from a game. you don't see me worshipping him or arguing that he is real.

you know, i think a more better way to intuitively get my point across on the stance of atheism is to consider not the concept of God, but the concept of religion. atheists believe in one less religion than ,monotheists. hence, atheists do not believe in any religion.

Gaia is been worshiped in many cultures.

In Yoruba Gaia is Iyale.



Thousands of human were worship as God in India. It is stated clearly in Yoruba religion that every individual is a God. Jesus said ye are Gods. Men are been worship just like Gaia and Jehovah.

Worshipping simply is acknowledging the worth of something or someone.

That I acknowledge the worth of Mother earth aka Gaia means I am worshiping it.

Going by your logic that atheists disbelieve in everything worship as God mean all existing god and what they represent do not exist.

Ra is the sun God in ancient egypt. Shakti is energy. Brahman is reality. Theses Gods are worship in different cultures across the world.

Trees, animals, river body, fire and earth are not left behind. Nature and natural entities are been worshipped as God in many tradition till date. I can remember the cow worship in india and among fulanis. They worship this things as God.

Disbelieving in the existence of these God mean there natural embodiments does not exist.

Let them begin hunger strike till after Kanu is released.

Yeye dey smell

Teempakguy:
dude, enough of all these.
i will give you a very intuitive definition of an atheist.

take a christian. a very devout one. now, imagine that this christian stopped believing in God while not changing to another religion. hence, ask yourself. would a christian believe in this God? if the God is not yahweh and his cohorts, then your answer for the christian would be the same for the atheist.

A christian who disbelieve in Jehovah could still acknowledge the existence of other Gods. Apostle paul affirmed that there many Gods both in heaven and earth.

Christians also disbelieve in other Gods like Brahman and Buddha just like atheists. The difference is that atheists disbelieve in one lesset God than christians. One lesser God mean everything know as God. This implies that atheists disbelieve in everything termed God.

Gaia is a greek goddess which is Earth. disbelieving in Gaia means you don't believe earth exist. Hope you see the insanity of atheism?

ValerianSteel:
No am not,some atheists are inclined to the existence of some lower gods,some are not,but atheists in general disapprove of the existence of God but my own point of view,it encompasses complete disbelief in the existence of God(the supreme deity) and any other gods presumed to exist.

But we have lower Gods that exist in heaven and here on earth.

Mars is a greek god.

River is a physical God in some cultural religion.

Humans are Gods.

Stars in heaven are Gods im astrolatry.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of this Gods?

ValerianSteel:
No completely not,the atheism I talk about is wholy about total disproval for a supreme deity.

Are you redifining atheism as disbelieve in supreme deity but believe in lower gods?

Stconvict:
That's what Ifa told him, so he had to tell us given he is the Avatar. The link between the Spiritual and the Physical.

Folykaze don't take this seriously o.

Ifa do not encourage lies.

ValerianSteel:
Of course they are not the same,but I have characterized my understanding of many atheists to firstly a disapproval for the major religious belief known to man,Especially the popular ones,this has therefore enabled an understanding to how many atheists accept that there is No God.

The Christian God is a god like many other gods atheists denounce exist.To Speak on the existence of a Christian God,a person must first dismantle Christianity before denouncing the existence of God.

That's my approach,you might disagree though.

In Exodus, the bible refer to existing being as God. Judges were called Gods.

Is your atheism extended to disbelieve in God (as per judges in exodus)?

Stconvict:
So wetin I go call myself now.
Scientific Atheist.

I rest my case. I'm simply Scientific.

lol

Stconvict:
Ok from now on I refer to myself as Scientific and Logical. The rest na story. This theist-atheist war has a lot of comma to it.

Logical has root in philosophy.

Science has root in spiritualism.

#Godwin

dalaman:
Am also an atheistic muslim.

We have christian atheist just like buddhsit atheist.


Plaetton is pantheistic atheist

Go figure. Google is your friend.

Stconvict:
Oro yin ti su mi!
Now the spiritual people have concocted their own type of atheism. Atheism was originally rooted in scientific community. Now e don transfer go the people who don't want to believe in god but also believe in him at the same time.

Spiritualism is the root of science.

To be spiritual is not by praying and going to church. Spiritualism is the understanding of the universe so that it can be a better place to live in - Fela.

Look at that and look at science. Any difference?

Now look at alchemy birthing chemistry.

ValerianSteel:
Yes I acknowledged that and I chose to identify with the one am more familiar with.

You are making sense than dalaman.

But dear, anti-christianity is not atheism. So also is disbelieve in christian God is not atheism. Thanks to Muskeeto for revealing this.

dalaman:
Spiritual atheist What's that?

see this one forming he doesn't know spiritual atheism?

Oga I have told you what this mean severally. Stoping running run a circle

dalaman:
How many ex muslims do you know that use anything beside the Koran and the muslim idea of God to argue?

I know those that were killed in Bangladesh

Some muslims in the islam section argue with bible on the religion forum

ifeness:
All forms of oaths are barbaric,including marriages and every form of allegiance.

Says you.

ifeness:
Which gods?

Nature.

ValerianSteel:
I based my argument on Christianity not solely on the God factor,most atheists who you termed God-haters fall out of Christianity before falling out with God.

So you read again

Also some are ex-muslims.

You cannot base your argument only on christianity.

Stconvict:
Na wa for you o. Which one be spiritual atheist. You guys love twisting what atheism stand for. Believing in god or God in form of existent entity or non-existent entity already disqualifies your position as an atheist. You are simply a DEIST.
Well, I'm as logical as it gets. I don't do spiritual. I'm strictly scientific.
So, good luck with your spiritualism. Hope Ifa treats you well.
One question though. Do you offer sacrifices to your so-called gods and godesses? I can as well hand you my android phone for you to worship. We can call it Andy, the god of technology.

Son of man pls read http://www.centerforabetterworld.com/SpiritualAtheism/about-spiritual-atheism.htm

Johnydon22

I am very sorry for whatever I have cost you tonight. I am really sorry.

No mention would be replied. I be won sleep abeg

ValerianSteel:
Permit me to use your grammatical constructs-Literal sense has not proven to be literal cause if it has,Christianity today would have countered every arguements against it with answers that defy the questions of any man towards the religious belief it houses.

Christianity would have succeeded in putting up an unrefutable fact to why the belief system is the logical application of religion that trumps all theories and discussions against the Christian Faith.

To each man his definition of atheism.Yes most atheists here are probably inclined to speak against Christianity and not the many other gods/deities that exists.Why this is done is because many atheists were once adherents and practitioners of this faith before they identified as atheists.You can't rule on that and say they are simply God haters,no they are God-haters because he has failed to give them reasons as to why he exists and the role he plays in their lives.

Until this is done,atheism will always exist,in as much as religion hasn't proven God's existence beyond the leaves of the bible and the so called experience people claim to have of him,atheism will remain.

All I see is christian this and that.

Atheism is about God and not christianity.

Argument is flaw so Try again

ifeness:
Like I said you are free to practice what works for you. Ifa still offers animal sacrifice to gods and that's barbarism. I wonder who these gods are

Blood oath still exist even in white-house.

Gods are natural entities.