₦airaland Forum

IGBOPRINCE:
I am not worried about my city. We have dominated and own it.
Technology and manufacturing is what we belief here. We re very creative and inventive in nature. God has already blessed us cos we can succeed in all situations and environment of nigeria .
I am discussing issues with the southwest because I know the places there but you cannot discussed with me about east cos you know nothing about us.

Your people live in ignorance thinking SE is backward. It s really appalling and very misfortune for you to live on your ignorance without affirming your claims.

We re moving forward, we dominated all sectors of businesses and we re not poor.
Sorry if I sound too proud is because am proud of my igbo people..
I love then so much that I promise myself to come next world as an igbo man.
You won't understand the benefit we enjoy being an hard-working igboman.

odogwu125:
Those places are still Lagos extension. Nothing in Ogun hinterlands

bigfrancis21:
The name 'bini' could have come from anywhere and not from 'ile ibinu'. Just as someone mentioned earlier, the Yorubas had an educational headstart and advantage and by virtue of their position wrote historical books before the Binis and used this advantage to their favour.

It is widely said amongst the Yorubas and some Binis that Bini comes from 'ile ibinu', whereas in reality it could have come from somewhere else. Also, there is this tendency by Yorubas to interpret or ascribe meanings to any word from the Yoruba language, totally ignoring the possibility of the word's origin from elsewhere or the existence of word co-incidences amongst languages in the world. If the word doesn't make any direct sense or meaning, then it is concocted into something else or twisted into a 'proper' Yoruba word or sentence.

egbose:
UBINI kingdom had been established before any YORUBA kingdom. The BINIS has no relationship with the YORUBAS.The YORUBAs were a scattered nation before a BINI prince went and organize them ( YORUBAS ) into a nation with head at ILE IFI.

thekingisback:
OYO EMPIRE...A YORUBA KINGDOM CREATED ON PAGES OF YORUBA HISTORIANS TEXTBOOKS AMIDST, GLARING CONTRADICTIONS AND PALPABLE FALSEHOOD:
(1). Their story of kingship began with an Edo prince called Izoduwa as recorded by unimpeachable historical records and corroborated by Benin recorded History.

(2). Ayayi Crowder,a recaptured Yoruba Slave who later became a bishop said, little were know about yoruba existence, clearly meaning they were not originally part of the Nigeria of today and neither were they settlers within its geographical boundaries but were in small settlements close to Dahomey. Most Yorubas today are either Muslims or Christians and those with African traditions copied or got them from Benin civilization. It doubtful if they are not immigrants from dahomy mixed with Benins or other fulani-hausa from Niger . Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c. 1809 – 31 December 1891) Was the first African Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State, Nigeria). His grandson was Herbert Macaulay

(3). Yoruba have dublicity of kingships with the process highly polarized than being traditional.A system they tried to copy from Benin but have not been able to get right like the Benin Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered institutions in the world because of the way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour, discipline and integrity. Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be bought or conferred on non-indigenes or frivolously. Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make sense, therefore, to think that a people who would not and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-indigenes, would voluntarily invite, accept, or surrender to non-indigenes as their kings. Note that due to celestial and customary taboos,the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be diverted from full time palace duties to hustle things that have no beneficial value to his domain.

(4). Most traditional religions being practiced by the Yorubas today are of Benin Origins.Olokun, Ogun, Iha oguega(ifa), oronmila, Esago(shango), Ayelala etc.Benin traditions,mystic and spirituality are stillfully documented and yorubanized by Yorubas in positions of affluence. Edo people today are predominantly Christians with some denying their traditional religious origins. But,it has not been possible to exterminate our traditional practice because it is embedded firmly in our ways of life.
Although the Great Edo (Benin) Kingdom was not major participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, because the Obas (Kings) believed that their subjects were too valuable to sell away, and their noblemen had need of war captives on their own farms, the influence of Edo religion and medicine have still been substantial on the people of the Americas.
According to Mason (1996), it has been widely accepted that Olokun (god of the sea) worship originated with the Edos and spread to the Yoruba (p.2). In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural traditions that has made its mark in the New World is Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters, known as Osiris in Egypt) worship originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent at Ughoton,around the Ethiope (Olokun) River. The priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the time. Some of the possible points of contact happened early. During the Ogiso Period, trade with the Yoruba and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may have spread to those areas through traders. Prior to the Oba Period,Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton, before his moving westward with his followers to establish Ilefe (Ero,1999,p.108-109).
Once he arrived, Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo traditions to those areas and was a King of his new community called Ilefe, which could be what yoruba call IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa’s loins, the Yoruba dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the outlying Yoruba areas. During the trans-Atlantic slave trade, slave raids were launched upon Yoruba and Ibo territories. Europeans were able to obtain some of the greatest amounts of West Africans from both Yoruba and Ibo land (Crosby,1992, p.136). In the 18th century in Iboland at Isseke, slave raiders took a famous Edo subject named Olaudah Equiano, who later wrote about the encounter. Olaudah traveled to the New World and then to England, learned to read and write English, and shared his religious and cultural experiences.
Many Edo traditions were directly and indirectly incorporated into the New World through its far reaching colonies. The Edo Kingdom extended from the boundary with Oyo in the north (Otun) to the Atlantic in the south, beyond Asaba to River Niger, and up to Eko (Lagos) in the west. Both Edo religion and medicine have already been taken to those domains, following traditional practices originating in Edo land.

(5). Benin ruled over what today known as Yorubaland, IFE, EKITI, LAGOS, OGUN, OWO, ONDO ETC

(6). Benin through Oba Orhogbuan founded lagos and ruled Lagos through royal viceroys whose descendants are today the traditional rulers of Lagos.The rights of who owns Lagos is not disputable.Lagos was a Benin town with a Benin Duke who paid tribute to the Oba of Benin indeed his chiefs were the descendants of noble Benin families. The Benin empire ran Lagos for over 400 years before the colonial powers took over.

Though there were some migrant yorubas from togo during british presence in lagos, but they formed not the rulers of the town but the subjects of the Oba just like we find in the United Kingdom today where people are subjects of the queen of England and not citizens. We will explain citizenship rights to you later in another treatise.

(7). Benin first to meet Europeans

(. "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a name for king in the their native language/tongue. The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin

(9). They never conquered any territory but rather struggle with their neighbours before and after the first encounter with Europeans slave hunters.

(10). "Edo" have no linguistic relationship with Yoruba. Words like Eko,Idu Ganran,Yaba,Oshodi,Osa,Eti-Osa,idu-magbo,Idu-mota have no Yoruba origin but Edo's.

(11). Note history is subject to scientific diagnosis and many historic writtings in the past about Benin-yoruba have been proved by archaeologies and scientist as erroneous and false.

(12). Many Yoruba being those in the forefront of Nigeria history writers wrote history textbooks used in Nigeria institutions and thus had the benefit of making their yoruba look like leading culture with the richest history for nigerians.

(13). Yorubas exploiting their privilege of imbibing the whiteman's education first have been peddling falsehood in Nigeria,British and other western universities misleading Africans with grammar and academic titles. They confuse other external scholars about the true realities of African history, implanting those false history into African -America books without the knowledge of the Edo King.

(14). Yorubas engaged the highest in slave raiding in their togo-oyo region which stretched to lagos during slave trade. see http://ihuanedo.ning.com/…/to…/yoruba-enslavement-of-african

(15) Yoruba never colonized Benin but Benin colonized many Yoruba settlements.

(16) Yoruba is not in anyway related to Igbo ancestral history

(17) Yoruba was not in anyway related to itsekiri history. There could be later migrants during the European exploration and commerce but not related to the itsekiri ancestral lineage. Never mind all the title of "Olu" in the region,it is a title contrived to replace the original which is "Ode" of Itsekiris.

(18) Bishop Ajayi crowder and Obafemi Awolowo made Yoruba known today as an ethnic group in Nigeria

(19) How can an Empire be inside an Empire? Many so called yoruba territories of today never existed in the past but were invented and stillfully documented into dubious historical records.

(20) Most of their books and publications are mere opinions of the writers concocted inside their rooms without scientific researches or facts-finding visits to Ancient Benin for archaeological veracity. Covered up with self hate, jealousy and envy of the Great Benin, bias and leftish in many of their so called Nigerian history,they tried to re-invent a history that diminishes our political greatness.

(22) Many Yorubas in Lagos today came as migrant workers for British companies and their construction projects.That is why you have a lot of their photographs with whites. Britain also used them as colonial officers.

(23) Before Britain or before the punitive expedition of 1897, Yorubas have no mega state to be found as the recognized major ethnic group in lagos were Edos.

(24) Where is Yoruba ancient flag or before 1897?

crowngold:
1937 PICTURE CAN'T TELL LIES.... Modern
day historical fabrication put to lie, by this
photograph(Ooni Adesoji Aderemi@centre,
To his left next is Colonial British, Governor
of Nigeria, next,Oba Akenzua of Benin and
Oba Ademola, Alake of Abeokuta, To Ooni's
right, Oba Oladigbolu, Alaafin of Oyo town,
and Oba Adesanya Gbelegbuwa, Awujale of
ijebu ode)...if their predecessors knew their
seniors as as far back as 1937 and even before, wherein lies the wisdom of
challenging what the Alake said.

Debesther:
I don't know what most of you mean but
1,The head of any of the kings in Edo has never been buried in Ile Ife.let the Ooni clarify this.
2,You guys should not be sure of stories told by self seeking traditional rulers.
3,It only in Yoruba land I see kings lost their values and cultures but the Edo's kingdom culture is still intact.
4,how can kings who says Omo noba throne is a third class couldn't have an empire, while the Edo's had a long lasting one, Oyo empire was brief.Pls check the records to confirm.
Let me mention a few.
Guys let us research about our traditions not just because we belong to a perticular tribe

Flyoruboy:
Guy, abeg what's your favourite drink? Infact you deserve the most expensive spirit money can buy for decimating the infamous Anambra hype-machine that has been littering this space for sometime now. Damn, do those folks overrate themselves or what? ? ? Considering the amount of noise they make, you'd think even the richest Igboman alive would be from there. Omo, you tugbaski!

comos:
Anybody can draw map just like the one you just presented, but you can never change history because the traces will always be there. I have point out all the traces Bini empire left behind in youruba-Land, can you point out one of yours in benin-Land ?

comos:
you can burn all the candles in this world to provide the answers to your questions.

The bini empire at the height of her peak, stretches up to dahomey. all Yoruba states were conquered including oyo empire.
Their traces of conquest are still present in yoruba-land till date. e.g Ore town (Ondo State) was founded by the binis, Osemawe (oba in ondo) linage are from bini, Eko (Lagos), Ooni of Ife was a bini prince, majority of yoruba's artifact came from Benin palace, e.t.c

sirrinky:
You may not know this,but the binis bear Obahiagbon,
Obasohan,
Obaseki,
Obahon,
Obamwongie
Obasogbe etc.Just like the Yoruba culture adapted the Oba title,its logical they made permutations of it for personal names also. Looking at the span of the bini kingdom all the way from present benin to dahomey its clear really who the title and true royalty belongs to.The Oba stool of Bini kingdom is not some childs play where miscreants and wife beaters go exhibit their skills,its a thorough insult comparing to Bini.The Oba is foremost in Benin and even outside the kingdom he still is king. Love live the king.

nisai:
This is the case.Were it not for Obj who used his influence as the then second in command and took the capital to Abeokuta,Alake shouldn't be spewing unnecessary speech by now.

Does he think it's by capital location?Ibadan has been the capital of oyo sate for many years, how many chiefs there have come out saying they are superior to Oyo?

ProfShymex:
Lol.

No comment.

ProfShymex:
Looool.

I don't know why folks are arguing over. The Alake asked for it after stirring the hornet's nest and I alluded to it on that thread.

The Ooni has visited other kings and no one talked about hierarchy. And the visit is about Yoruba unity, not for throne superiority contest. I don't why he decided to include Bini and/or start causing troubling by talking about hierarchy, especially for a group with four different kings that never had a kingdom and had to fight so many wars to be independent - till the 19th century. I guess it is cos he can't stand the fact the Ooni visited the Awujale before him. But if he had problem with that, he should spoken to the Ooni privately about it or speak only about the "superiority" of his throne compared to the Ijebu throne which pre-existed it, with a kingdom that was never a vassal to anyone.

Anyway, he is lucky both the Alaafin of Oyo and Awujale didn't take any offence to what he said. You just can't fault the Oba of Benin for reacting the way he did, regardless of what you think about the revisionism. The Alake asked for it.

Josh316:
Good one! Let us start the movement to revive history so that our heritage will never be lost. I am for the true revival of unadulterated Nigerian History and we need to ensure it is preserved.

comos:
yes.
The Oba of Bini Empire is superior to alaafin of oyo

comos:
yes.
The Oba of Bini Empire is superior to alaafin of oyo

sirthisthickkal:
some folks here who were born yesterday are already claiming they know more than history smh! comparing the oba of bini with any other western king is an insult of the highest order, if fact in terms of power and class he is superior to the rest. For those who are willing to learn more why not peruse the article below for enlightenment.
www.edofolks.com/html/pub133.htm

mildflame:
Ogbeni! biko take am easy

nisai:
I am proud of you.This is how one should debate and not just blabbing.Watch how he devise to shift the goal post again after the enough lesson.