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Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 5:11pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
Sorry, I confused it with CBN headquarters..

So will it be fair to conclude that you have 18 skyscrapers and Kenya has 19?
Nope. Nigeria 20. Kenya 18. grin
Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 4:18pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
You included it @ No.7

I've proven to you that CBN is not up to 100M mark. I don't know where you're getting all these sources from.

Cuddle tower is not close to 100M
No 7 is Eko tower 2 not Eko tower A or b. Decipher. grin

CBN is 100m. Who doesn't know this? cheesy

Cuddle is same height with 4 Bourdilion with 27 floors.

Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 3:56pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
Eko A. 88m
Eko B. 88m
Eko C 88m

CBN. 94m
Cuddle tower 18fls..


Too much lies in your list.


And abuja millennium is classified as an artificial structure, not a skyscrapper.
cool
I hear.
Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 3:41pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
Eko A. 88m
Eko B. 88m
Eko C 88m

CBN. 94m
Cuddle tower 18fls..


Too much lies in your list.
I never included Eko A, B and C towers. They are not up to 100m.

CBN is 100m on the dot. grin

Cuddle tower is 18fls. True. But it the same height with 4 Bourdilion tower with 25 floors. Why? Higher ceiling. grin

Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 3:26pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
You do realize for a building to have skyscraper status, it should have 100+ M, right?

And for Abuja pillar... That can't be a skyscraper .
So, all those are not up to 100+m? grin

The Abuja tower has restaurant at the top. Makes it acceptable as a skyscraper. grin

Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 3:15pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
What I emboldened are all lies.
They don't exist? grin
Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 3:09pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
More than 20.
Minus those two? grin

Shma2023:
1. Britam Tower - 200m
2. Avic Office Tower - 184m
3. UAP Tower - 163m
4. 88 condominium -153
5. Avic Hotel Tower - 141m
6. Times Tower - 140m
7. CBK twin tower - 136m, 118m
8. Prism Tower - 133m
9. LeMac Tower - 126m
10. Parliament - 125m
11. Teleposta Tower - 120m
12. Avic Residential 1 - 116m
13. Avic Residential 2 - 109m
14. Avic Residential 3 - 109m
15. KCB - 109M

16. KICC - 105M
17. Upper Hill Chambers - 104m
18. Social Security House - 103m
19. Avic Residential 4 - 102m
20. One Place Africa - 100m

---- Several are under construction.
Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 2:58pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
1. Britam Tower - 200m
2. Avic Office Tower - 184m
3. UAP Tower - 163m
4. 88 condominium -153
5. Avic Hotel Tower - 141m
6. Times Tower - 140m
7. CBK twin tower - 136m, 118m
8. Prism Tower - 133m
9. LeMac Tower - 126m
10. Parliament - 125m
11. Teleposta Tower - 120m
12. Avic Residential 1 - 116m
13. Avic Residential 2 - 109m
14. Avic Residential 3 - 109m
15. KCB - 109M
16. KICC - 105M
17. Upper Hill Chambers - 104m
18. Social Security House - 103m
19. Avic Residential 4 - 102m
20. One Place Africa - 100m

---- Several are under construction.
1) NECON (32) - 160 Meters
2) Azuri Orun towers (32) - 145 Meters
3) Azuri Oban towers (31) -140 Meters
4) Azuri Zuma towers (26) - 1116 Meters
5) Eko Champaign pearls tower (30) - 135 meters
6) Union Bank HQ - (28) - 124 Metres
7) Eko Black Pearls tower (24) - 113 Meters
cool Eko towers II - (27) - 110 Meters
9) Ministry of Communication (30) - 109 Meters
10) Intercontinental hotel - (22) - 105 Meters
11) Independence House - Lagos - (23) 103 Metres
12) Central Bank of Nigeria (19) - 100 Metres
13) 4 Bourdilion towers (25)- 100+
14) Cuddle tower (21) - 100m
15) famfa Towers - (20) - 103m
16) Belmont prive (20) - 103m

Abuja

17) Millennium tower - 170m
18) World Trade Center 2- 120m
19) World Trade Center 1 - 110m

Ibadan
20) Cocoa house (26) - 105m

Uyo
21) Dakkada towers (21) - 108.8m

Severals are under construction
Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 2:49pm On Jul 06, 2023
mzansiboy:
African Countries With The Most Skyscrapers 100 Meters Height
There seems to be an explosion of skyscrapers in Africa. In every city you visit, skyscrapers are popping up overnight.…
There seems to be an explosion of skyscrapers in Africa. In every city you visit, skyscrapers are popping up overnight. The increased demand in office spaces across the continent has led to the mushrooming of skyscrapers with some going beyond 100 meters into the sky.

South Africa leads the continent with the most skyscrapers at 54 followed by Egypt which has 48. Nigeria has 14 while Algeria has 13. Kenya has 11, Morocco has eight while Tanzania and Angola have seven and six respectively. Libya has five while Cote D’Ivoire, Ethiopia, and Mozambique have three each.

South Africa – 54
Egypt – 48
Nigeria – 14
Algeria – 13
Kenya – 11
Morocco – 8
Tanzania – 7
Angola – 6
Libya – 5
Cote D’Ivoire – 3
Mozambique – 3
Ethiopia – 3
Skyscrapers in Kenya include Britam Towers at 200 meters followed by Old Mutual Towers at 163 meters. Times Towers is 140 meters. Kings Prism Towers has 133 meters in the sky while Kenyatta International Convention Center has 105 meters. Teposta Towers have 120 meters while Social Security Houese has 103 meters. Kenya Commercial Bank Plaza has 109 meters.

According to Wikipedia, most of the tallest buildings in Kenya are found in Nairobi, the capital and largest city in the country. In Nairobi, there are 18 buildings that stand taller than 80 meters (260 ft), and several are under construction.

When it comes to overall real estate in Kenya, Nairobi, Kisumu, Uasin Gishu, and Nakuru are the most oversupplied retail markets by 3.0 mn SQFT, 0.2 mn SQFT, 0.12 mn SQFT, and 0.09 mn SQFT, respectively, and also expected to increase further especially in Nairobi with the additional spaces such as the Ojijo Properties.

The Kenyan retail sector performance recorded a stable performance with the average rental yield coming in at 6.8 percent in 2022.

Nairobi was the best-performing region with an average rental yield and occupancy rate of 7.8 percent and 75.9 percent, respectively.

The opportunity remains in mid-tier counties that are undersupplied such as Kiambu County and Mt. Kenya region, both having space demand of 0.5 mn SQFT.
Egypt has more skyscrapers than South Africa. Agree Nigerian has more than Kenya. grin
Politics › Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by forgiveness: 2:43pm On Jul 06, 2023
Shma2023:
The only person who can debate me on matters of skyscrapers is forgiveness.. Or maybe Samorobo. Follow the conversation herein, and you'll not post for us Wiki data. Ask any Nigerian and they will tell you the list you posted is wrong!. Egypt has WAAAAAAAAAY... More skyscrapers than any African country.

Kenya has more skyscrapers than Algeria and Nigeria. Kenya is second to SA and Egypt in that regard.
How many does Kenya have now? grin
Politics › Re: They Accused Us Of Producing Fake Products Because We're Industrious (photos) by forgiveness: 12:33pm On Jul 05, 2023
[quote author= post=124228660][/quote]Snf food is a subsidiary of Golden oil industries and it's owned by Indian, some south westerners and Northerners.

Address doesn't matter.
Politics › Re: They Accused Us Of Producing Fake Products Because We're Industrious (photos) by forgiveness: 12:21pm On Jul 05, 2023
[quote author= post=124225367]These are Anambra products

Best indigenous mayonnaise produced in Onitsha Anambra state[/quote]Who is the owner of snf food limited?

Are you aware it is a subsidiary of Golden oil industries?

Golden oil industries is owned by Indian and some Nigerians. grin

Politics › Re: Ogun state gov to start converting all official vehicles to Gas/electric powered by forgiveness: 10:30pm On Jul 03, 2023
Welcome development
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by forgiveness: 8:44am On Jul 03, 2023
BlueMann:
Oh yeah, the guy is good. I liked what I saw. Skillful, good ball carrier and an eye for a pass.

In fact, this French team is arguably the most stacked in this competition. Quite surprised they've gone out. Maxence Caqueret is another who impressed me.
Good good. Hope Chelsea can get him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by forgiveness: 9:29pm On Jul 02, 2023
BlueMann:
Mudryk wins a penalty with a mazy run, and Ukraine equalize against France. Cherki had given the French the lead.

Mudryk also had an assist chalked off as the goal was disallowed for offside. He's been very good in this game.
How do you see Cherki? Is he good? I saw him on YouTube but I haven't seen him in full matches.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by forgiveness:
BlueAngel444:
the list many self
Kudus, Veiga, Wirtz, Cherki, Enzo le fe

Dominik Szoboszlai was on the list self, am I forgotting someone 🤔
Hahahahahahaha! Chelsea can't compete with limited players ooo. Chelsea should start buying before preseason.

No team will want to sell cheap close to start of the season.

Panic buying should be avoided the season.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:12pm On Jul 02, 2023
komekn:
The legal profession is unique, win or loose you get paid ,so you can give wrong advice because you will get paid, they will give misleading advice to get paid million this is get paid crazy money 🤑 season for Lawyers in Nigeria.

And when it comes to politicians pursuit for office they think justice ⚖️ can bought which has been proven in Nigeria. Right on the floor of the national assembly.

However, you completely DEVIATE AVOID EVADE the substance of empirical evidence 🧾 and make reference to nonsensical irreverent propositions and dispositions. Lets look at the ludicrous reckless display of impunity and the gargantuan abuse of legal convention and procedure.

1. INEC object's to it's own certified authentic original copy forms.
2. INEC contradicts itself with its own sourced data on BVAS and IRev not aligned to what it presented.
3. INEC refusing to submit to subpoenas for documentation, saying it doesn't have them. Thays not an option it's legal madness, you cannot legally substantiate figures you presented.
4. INEC breaches comprehensively it's own legally binding bye laws.
5. INEC breaches the Electoral Act as amended 2022, on multiple fronts. The umpire breaking the law.
6. Chicago state university under subpoena legally compelled to present an original true copy authenticated and certified of TINUBU university degree certificate. That true copy is dramatically different from the one he submitted to INEC in addition the true certified copy is to a female.
7. Criminal conviction for drug trafficking proceeds, drug trafficking is not a civil offence but criminal.
8. NYSC two different certificate presented one a discharge certificate and the other a exemption certificate. It's impossible for one individual to have t both .
9. Deloitte where he claimed to have worked and earned $1.8 million. Under the compelling legal obligation of a subpoena. Have declared they have absolutely no record of TINUBU at any time ever been in their employment.

These above are not an opinionated preferential based deduction but hard independent unquestionable established FACTS.

Please this is by no means exhaustive just a small snippet. If we were a country that upheld the rule of law he would be in jail.

And yes I studied law amongst other things and my claim to fame is beating a QC in court albeit in the UK. So yes, I have fairly good ideas of what is going on.

Finally a mad man can object to the rain 🌧️🌧️🌧️ falling it will not stop it.
This one just dey believe propaganda. Wait for the outcome of the tribunal.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by forgiveness: 8:06pm On Jul 02, 2023
Rumors everywhere.

Chelsea wan buy Cherki. Chelsea wan buy Florian Wirtz, Chelsea wan by Mbappe...abeg abeg...make dem buy before preseason start.

We don't want panic buying like last season ooo.
Politics › Re: How Awolowo Opposed The Creation Of The Midwestern Region in 1963. by forgiveness: 12:45pm On Jul 02, 2023
Penguin2:
Good to see I made you engage your brain for something intellectual and made you research.

But yes, Nnamdi Azikiwe became in 1954 but the regional assemblies were already in existence with representatives as far back as 1952.

And where did I say that Midwest agitation started in 1952?
Made me do research on something I already knew before you were born!? angry

My friend, you were found out. You lied. Simple and short. grin
Politics › Re: How Awolowo Opposed The Creation Of The Midwestern Region in 1963. by forgiveness: 9:08pm On Jul 01, 2023
Raskimonojendor:
Chai. The guy don scam all of us for thread. grin
Hahahahahahaha! The guy is a scammer.
Politics › Re: How Awolowo Opposed The Creation Of The Midwestern Region in 1963. by forgiveness: 9:03pm On Jul 01, 2023
Penguin2:
I don’t like engaging people like you with poor knowledge of everything but think they know so much.

Western Region already had a Regional House of Assembly by 1952. 24 representatives came from the the then Benin province out of which 21 of them were elected under Azikiwe’s NCNC and only 3 belonged to Awolowo’s AG.

Azikiwe was already Premier of Eastern region by 1952.

Awolowo was Premier of Western Region.

While Ahmadu Bello was Premier of the Northern Region.

Each of these regions were self governing and could make their own laws which was why Awolowo made laws that the Benin didn’t find comfortable.

Please go and educate yourself before you come to talk to me.
Another fabricated concocted lies.

It was after the Lyttelton constitution was introduced in 1954 through Awolowo' recommendation of federalism, self rule started.

Who dash Azikiwe premier in 1952?, grin

You're a bloody liar.

According to you, midwest agitations began in 1952 when the British was still in power. Having house of assembly didn't tantamount to Western region control of government or self rule. Bloody liar. grin

Such an ignoramus .
Politics › Re: How Awolowo Opposed The Creation Of The Midwestern Region in 1963. by forgiveness: 6:47pm On Jul 01, 2023
Penguin2:
Awolowo never wanted the Midwest to become a separate region. And it’s very likely he instigated the COR (Calabar-Ogoja-Rivers) to demand for a separate region away from Eastern Region as payback for NCNC’s support for the creation of the Midwestern Region.



They did not start selling propaganda today. To cause disaffection between Benin and other ethnic minorities in the proposed Midwest Region, Awolowo boys started writing about supposed “Benin Domination”.



In 1962, the Eastern and Northern Regional Assemblies passed the bill to create the Midwestern Region but Western Region Assembly passed a motion countering the passage of the bill in Northern and Eastern Assemblies.

This is the Awolowo they said “willingly” granted the Midwest their region.



How the Midwest Bill finally scaled the hurdle of the Western Region Assembly and got their Referendum.



https://www.dawodu.com/articles/benin-and-the-midwest-referendum-297
Did anyone open this link? There's no correlation between what he wrote and what was written in the link. Dude is a fabricator of lies. grin
Politics › Re: How Awolowo Opposed The Creation Of The Midwestern Region in 1963. by forgiveness: 6:44pm On Jul 01, 2023
Af0NjaAreLiars:
Look at how you guys are turning Zik kind hearted decision


You people don't go to school then na

it wasn't his fault he can't appoint an illustrate amala muncher to be VC he had no choice grin
They didn't go to school but they had the first lawyers, medical doctors, professors etc?

Dey deceive yourself.
Politics › Re: How Awolowo Opposed The Creation Of The Midwestern Region in 1963. by forgiveness: 6:42pm On Jul 01, 2023
Penguin2:
Contrary to the lies that propagandists would want the public to believe that the Western Region willingly granted Referendum to the Midwest, the true story is that Awolowo tried to assassinate the proponents of the then Midwest Region.





In May of 1956, Benin people voted against the Oba of Benin’s son because he was in Awolowo’s Action Group. They voted for the candidate of NCNC.

.

It was so bad that a leader of the then Midwest Province preferred Midwest being bombed by nuclear weapons than remaining under Western Region.



Some testimonies of some Midwestern people before Henry Willinks Commission which was set up in 1958 to look into the agitation of the Midwestern people.

Awolowo gave scholarships to only Yorubas.

He taxed the Benin-Warri province excessively and used the money to develop Ibadan while Benin had nothing.



In trying to dissuade the Midwest people from demanding for a separate region, Awolowo’s Action Group threw the ethnic card.

This shows that these guys have always been tribalistic and using the anti-Igbo sentiments since the pre-colonial period.



What the Henry Willinks Commission Observed.



https://www.dawodu.com/articles/benin-and-the-midwest-referendum-297
From your fabricated lies. Ibadan was preferred ahead of Benin city by Awolowo's people.

For your information, it was the British that deliberately choosed Ibadan ahead of Oyo town to spite Alaafin of Oyo. They even bombardment Oyo town unprovoked just for show of power.

They never considered Oyo town the political capital of Yorubas in Western region, how do you expect then to consider Benin city that was considered the capital of the rebellious Benin kingdom? The Point is, British spite Alaafin and oba of Benin. Simple.

Besides, the money generated from Lagos alone was used by the British to develop Nigeria.

So, to say Awolowo abandoned Benin for Ibadan, na pure lie. The British already did that and the Western region built on it. Simple. Stop lying here.
Politics › Re: How Awolowo Opposed The Creation Of The Midwestern Region in 1963. by forgiveness: 6:26pm On Jul 01, 2023
Penguin2:
Contrary to the lies that propagandists would want the public to believe that the Western Region willingly granted Referendum to the Midwest, the true story is that Awolowo tried to assassinate the proponents of the then Midwest Region.





In May of 1956, Benin people voted against the Oba of Benin’s son because he was in Awolowo’s Action Group. They voted for the candidate of NCNC.

.

It was so bad that a leader of the then Midwest Province preferred Midwest being bombed by nuclear weapons than remaining under Western Region.



Some testimonies of some Midwestern people before Henry Willinks Commission which was set up in 1958 to look into the agitation of the Midwestern people.

Awolowo gave scholarships to only Yorubas.

He taxed the Benin-Warri province excessively and used the money to develop Ibadan while Benin had nothing.



In trying to dissuade the Midwest people from demanding for a separate region, Awolowo’s Action Group threw the ethnic card.

This shows that these guys have always been tribalistic and using the anti-Igbo sentiments since the pre-colonial period.



What the Henry Willinks Commission Observed.



https://www.dawodu.com/articles/benin-and-the-midwest-referendum-297
Another concocted fabricated lies.

1. Mapo hall was not constructed by Awolowo nor the western region but by the British long before the amalgamation of Nigeria not to talk Western region though construction was completed after amalgamation of Nigeria.

2. University of Ibadan was never controlled by the Western region but by the British and federal government before and after independence respectively. grin

The reason Azikiwe was able to appoint Kenneth Dike as the first Vice Chancellor of University of Ibadan. Bloody liar.

In fact, the major beneficiaries of University of Ibadan were not from western region but from Eastern region. Bloody liar. grin
Politics › Re: How Awolowo Opposed The Creation Of The Midwestern Region in 1963. by forgiveness: 6:07pm On Jul 01, 2023
Penguin2:
We owe it as a duty to the next generation that the right history is preserved and not allowed to be rewritten, retold or diluted by liars.

When I made a post earlier today where I noted that since the 1952 elections, the region that is now known as Southeast and Southsouth have always voted in same direction, I, expectedly, got some negative reactions from proponents of falsehood who tried to remind me that some part of the region now known as Southsouth were geographically and politically part of the Western Region before they became a distinct Midwestern Region.

The question they have refused to answer however is why did the people Benin and Delta fight teeth and nail to be separated from the Western Region? And the answer was because the Yorubas who formed the larger ethnic group in the old Western Region wanted to “Yorubanize” everything to the extent of trying to make Yoruba the lingua Franca and having a Yoruba who lived in Sapele representing Benin Province in Western Assembly at some point until Benin people agitated against it.

These attitudes forced majority of the political leaders of the then Midwest Province to go into alliance with Azikiwe led NCNC instead of Awolowo’s Action Group (AG). So, even though they were administratively under Western Region, the Midwestern people aligned with Azikiwe’s NCNC politically. The implication was that they voted in same pattern with the Eastern Region where NCNC dominated.

And that was how in 1952, out of 24 elected representatives of Midwestern Province in the Western Regional Assembly, 21 of them were of NCNC and only 3 were of Awolowo’s Action Group.







https://www.dawodu.com/articles/benin-and-the-midwest-referendum-297
Fabricated lies. I just clicked on the link and realized this dude fraudulently cut and joined to tell half truth.

According to YOUR write up, Midwest agitations began in 1952.

Was Awolowo the Premier in 1952? grin Answer No

According to YOUR write up, Awolowo people marginalized the Midwesterners since 1952?

Was Awolowo people in control of the government in western region in 1952? Answer: NO

Was there even self rule in 1952? grin Answer: No

Who was in control of the government of Western region in 1952? British

Then, why did the midwest agitated before Awolowo people controlled the government?

Simply because Benin wanted to be on their own. They wanted self rule but British wanted the country together.

Awolowo even wanted out of Nigeria. He never hid this from the British. It was Azikiwe that resisted any attempt by Awolowo and Benin to clamor for separation.
Politics › Re: Maguzawa(Hausa Traditionalists)Participat in kano emirate Sallah festival(pic) by forgiveness: 10:37pm On Jun 30, 2023
Nice one
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:17pm On Jun 30, 2023
lloydtruth:
Chelsea is a top club but their failure to quantify for the champions league will definitely affect their transfer this season.

Top players want to play in the champions league and it doesn't make sense that Osihmen will sacrifice champions league with Napoli for Chelsea that has no European engagement next season.
Napoli doesn't guarantee UCL but Chelsea does.

Chelsea can attract the best players in the world this season if they want.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:14pm On Jun 29, 2023
lloydtruth:
I'll rather he remains at Napoli and play champions league than go to Chelsea this season.

If Osihmen is moving, it should be to a top club that will play champions league.
So, Chelsea is not a top club, abi?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by forgiveness: 6:58pm On Jun 29, 2023
Almajirihunter:
Mudryk na winger o
So, na only Enzo, Gallagher and Emeka remain.

Hope Chelsea add at least 3 or 4 midfielders. 2 dmf and 2 amf.

Except Chelsea wants to remain midtable team. E no go work oooo.
Politics › Re: History:Removal Of Subsidy On Kerosine,Diesel &Now Oil Subsidy Have Zero Benefit by forgiveness: 9:10am On Jun 29, 2023
Well! You can decide not to vote for them in the next year but subsidy beneficiaries don't need your votes. The difference is clear.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by forgiveness: 1:23pm On Jun 28, 2023
Ballzproblem2:
🚩 Man City have entered the race for Spanish talent Gabri Veiga after pulling out of Declan Rice deal.

Source: Fabrizio Romano


watch as guardiola fanboys in our fan base will go mute,poch specifically asked for veiga in the case mount was sold ,our fanbase came for his hears ,now guardiola came for him get ready for bootlickers.


This one pain me cause I know poch would have developed him
So, na so we go lose Veiga?

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