Shma: it's not appealing bro, especially the last pic. I bet we have such old houses in malindi which are more eye appealing than the pic you have shown.
Do you mean this picture is more appealing than Yaba?
vankelvin: KENYA, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. You guys should respect your elders(West African's), Your ego will still not make you guys rich over West Africa.
If you think you are Giant of East Africa, then its because those Countries there are not any better. Aside those few high rise buildings you have in East Africa, what again do you people have?
How many East Africa Countries have 6 descent Stadiums that can host an African Tournament? How many East African Countries can Host an African Entertainment shows like AMMA, AFRIMA and the likes? How many people in East Africa enjoy Electricity? ETC?
Even in the worst of Conditions, West African Countries are able to Host anything organised on the Continent. Nigerian's hosted Under 20 and 17 World Cups. With your High rise buildings were you able to host anything? The Indians are living big whereas ordinary Kenyan's are living in the Slums. Poor Countries don't host Tournaments okay?
West Africa have problems but East Africa certainly have nothing above us. Black Africans rule West Africa but Indian's rule East Africa. You guys should be comparing yourselves with Central African Countries, they are you mates.
DEVELOPED REGIONS IN AFRICA 1--North Africa 2--South Africa 3--West Africa 4--East Africa 5--Central Africa
Respect West Africa.
I don't agree with you. West Africa is more developed than South Africa. Apart South Africa and Angola, which other countries are developed?
samorobo: He is a very stupid boy... The pics he is showing are densely populated Brazilian buildings which is similar to what you get from the aerial view of Florence.... We can't break those down..it's very historical..
Well, he doesn't know much about European architecture else he wouldn't have called it slum. Perhaps, he doesn't know the definition of slum.
IronGalaxy: I don't really think it's an impression, I just think many of you want to desperately believe that when South Africa was developed, the natives were playing hop-scotch it makes many people sleep better at night
Shma: what a south African calls a town is worth more to be called a city in Nigeria, Our fouth largest town is worth more to be called a city in Tz. What I know is nigeria only have TWO cities., kenya on other side has three. The rest you can fool yourself bro.
George is the most livable city in the whole of South Africa and there is no single high-rise building there. If we go by this standard, we have more than 30 cities in Nigeria.
However, Mombasa will not make top 10 cities in Nigeria.
samorobo: What he posted is Mombasa old town where all the crazy slum urbanisation occur..it's the epic centre f mombasa's slum madness..lol Malindi is a ugly as fvck..... I will add that to my bucket list of Kenya urban area to watch in YouTube..
Cairo was once regarded as the best city in the world70's/80's...those buildings made it attain that status..
Really? You mean that was not Malindi?
Exactly, those part makes Cairo interesting. Destroying old Cairo will make Egypt loses it's revenue.
Shma: this is a cheap excuse bro, there are smart old cities like Windhoek, Casablanca, Cairo e.t.c, our malindi old Town looks better than the slums in your capital and I bets its older than your yours. Saying this does not mean the zoo is still ugly, kibera has a big history too.. What you need to think is how you'll remove those shacks in your town or change your city location which you have done it already. .
This is malindi old Town.
Malindi can't be compared with Yaba because Yaba beat Malindi hands down, and it is just a part of Lagos.
Shma: this is a cheap excuse bro, there are smart old cities like Windhoek, Casablanca, Cairo e.t.c, our malindi old Town looks better than the slums in your capital and I bets its older than your yours. Saying this does not mean the zoo is still ugly, kibera has a big history too.. What you need to think is how you'll remove those shacks in your town or change your city location which you have done it already. .
This is malindi old Town.
This is not Malindi old town. See Malindi old town below.
The second picture is old Cairo town. Is not better than old Lagos.
Why don't you tell those Europeans to remove their european architecture?
andrewbaba44: Post stats of players and see who is starting games, but here you are posting news stating aguero wanna leave city because he is being benched by jesus
If to say i get strenght go dey bring out stats like forgiveness, this argument go don end since
Shma: hey dude stop it, you started it now you want to clear up the air?? This is Dec 2019, four months ago. The other pic of your Lagos slumbolish is 2020, the one from samorobo,. Now see how your cbd and makoko rhymes.
Second picture is very beautiful. European architecture is all I see and we can see this setting in Prague, Paris and other European cities. Except you want me to believe Nairobi is better than those European cities.
Shma: yeah roads also, Mombasa beats Abuja in number of posh houses, tourism services, sea port functions, hotels and restaurants, Airport services, beauty e. t. C.
Is this a joke or what? Apart from sea port and tourism, how did Mombasa beat Abuja in road, posh house, hotels and restaurant?
Show me your best hotel and restaurant, let me see. I want to show you something.
Shma: at least I can trace some greenery Take a look at your slumbolish. This is by forgiveness few pages back.
This is the picture of 19th century buildings mixed with 20th century buildings. A regular occurrence in developed medieval cities. Unlike Nairobi a new city with many slumpolis.
Show me a picture of Nairobi in the 19th and mid 20th century. I want to show you something.
Noneroone: Living in bondage gave birth Nigerian movie industry which changed to nollywood. It is easy to call those ones shot on celluloid and stage performances movies but it is doubtful whether movie making of the era possess requisite characteristics that will make one to brand it a "movie industry". It is also okay to trace the background of nollywood to the stage performances of the 60/70s and the tv drama series of the 80s, but to outrightly brand them nollywood is a bit of a disservice to history. The productions of the 70s and 80s were done by which company? which marketing company distributed them?
Can you have a movie industry without home video?
Most of these were absent which was why nobody knew about them and the actors. They relied on cinema and TV sponsorship to reach their audience. is that one an industry?
To me, a virile movie industry needs three key things finance (production) creativity (directors, actors, video effects etc) Marketing
Living in bondage brought these. Nollywood didn't start because of Nta issues with producers, it started when a Vhs importer couldn't sell off his goods and decided to try production. it was successful as he made more than three times the expected profit. other businessmen had to key into that using production companies. wealthy and popular actors, producers, directors and markers were born. Nice movies were made too and lucrative industry which later became known a nollywood was born.
Oga, Living in Bondage was not Kenneth Nnebue first film. He had produced a film before Living in Bondage on the VHS and it was a Yoruba film.
These were very low budget films: the first of them, Aje Ni Iya Mi (1989) he made for N2,000 (about $200); it was shot on an ordinary VHS camera and edited on two VCRs.
Armaggedon: of course that is the truth. The discipline "theatre arts" as it were was mainly an academic stuff that prepared it's graduate civil service and related corporate field. nollywood made acting career lucrative and gave a lot of theatre arts professionals a niche. Its one of pillars of Nigerian economy. Many choose to study theatre arts today because they prefer an acting career.
That's not true. Theater art was already a big and lucrative industry as far back as late 1940s, that is long before Nollywood was coined.
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naptu2: Now you are talking. Now we can agree. "Nigerian film industry predates Nollywood". I agree with that.
Of course, there was never a time I disagreed on this because I watched home videos in my house in the 80s long before Living in Bondage or Nollywood was coined.
naptu2: You still don't understand, so I'll try to break it down for you one last time.
There were lots of movies that were shot on celluloid in Nigeria in the 1950s, '60s, '70s and '80s. These movies were shown in the cinemas that I listed above. They are a completely different segment of the Nigerian movie industry.
In fact, do you know that a Hollywood movie was shot and partially produced in Nigeria in 1990. That movie is obviously not a Nollywood movie, it's a Hollywood movie. The title of the movie is Mr Johnson and the star of the movie was Pierce Brosnan, who was also one of the stars of the James Bond movies. Hubert Ogunde was a guest star.
Nollywood began because of the problems that the NTA gave independent producers in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The only TV stations that existed at that time were the NTA and state TV stations. Independent producers looked for sponsors (usually UAC, PZ, Lever Brothers and Cadbury) who bought the airtime so that their productions could be shown on the NTA. However, NTA started misbehaving.
The NTA arbitrarily increased the cost of airtime and Amaka Isaac Ene (Amaka Igwe) was forced to take Checkmate off the NTA. She eventually syndicated it on state TV stations (LTV, OGTV, etc). Other producers were also forced to take their shows off the NTA.
After a caller on Morning Ride insulted President Babangida, independent producers were forced to submit their work to the NTA 5 days before it was shown, so that it can be vetted. In fact, Lola Fani Kayode had problems with the NTA way back in 1985 because her hit soap opera, Mirror in the Sun had a story about a corrupt government official and his girlfriend.
Therefore, some independent producers realised that they didn't need the NTA. They could produce their work on VHS cassettes and sell directly to the public. In fact, Amaka Isaac Ene also released Checkmate on video cassettes. The independent producer could make money from the sale of the cassette and still make money from advertiser like UAC, Lever Brothers, PZ and Cadbury and they didn't have to deal with NTA's problems. This was the beginning of Nollywood. That's why Living in Bondage is recognised as the pioneer Nollywood movie. That's why I understand what the VP meant when he said that the South East is the birthplace of Nollywood.
However, there was no name like Nollywood at the beginning. It was actually called Home Video because the movies were shot on home video equipment (camcorder and VHS cassette) and sold directly to the public. This was very different from the previous movies that were shot on celluloid and shown in cinemas.
The previous movies had fallen out of favour because of the increasing rate of armed robberies in the 1970s and '80s. People were to afraid to go to cinemas at night. Furthermore, the economic crisis of 1982 and the SAP palava of 1986 meant that people were looking for money to eat and they didn't have money to go to the cinemas.
According to Chief Eddie Ugbomah, the name Nollywood was coined by an Indian woman who said at a conference that "there is Hollywood and there is Bollywood, so this must be Nollywood". Chief Ugbomah hated the name. Why should a foreigner name our movie industry? He also hated the Nollywood industry initially. Remember that people like Eddie Ugbomah were trained movie makers and they shot on celluloid, while a lot of the people that started Nollywood were not really trained and they shot on VHS cassette. They also had very little money, while people like Eddie Ugbomah spent years raising money before they made a movie. However, before his death, Chief Ugbomah accepted the Nollywood industry as "what we have so we should try and encourage them".
Dr Ola Balogun hates Nollywood with a passion. He says that their actors and actresses do not know how to act, their movies are hurriedly produced and their scripts are nonsense. Dr Balogun got his Phd in movie making in France. When the French wanted to showcase Nollywood at the Caen Film Festival, Dr Balogun travelled to France to campaign against it. He often says that he knows where Hollywood is, he knows where Bombay is, but he doesn't know where Nollywood is (Eddie Ugbomah had also previously said the exact same thing).
Hubert Ogunde died before anyone even thought of anything called Nollywood.
Now, I do not agree with Dr Ola Balogun when he says that Nollywood is nonsense, however, I do know that there are many different kinds of movies in Nigeria and it's not all of them that are Nollywood movies. I had a friend that made movies in New York, but I would not call his movies Hollywood movies (it's not all movies that are made in the US that are categorised as Hollywood movies).
I understand your point. However, I still maintain that Nigeria movie industry precedes Living in Bondage or Nollywood though Nollywood has become a general "accepted" name for some Sub industry of Nigeria movie.
naptu2: I said that your definition of Nollywood is wrong because there are movies that existed before anyone coined the name Nollywood, there are movies that were produced in a vastly different format from Nollywood movies and there are movie producers that predate Nollywood that have clearly stated that their work are not Nollywood movies, so Nollywood cannot be all the movies that are made or were made in Nigeria.
Did I say Living in Bondage is the pioneer of Nollywood?
That's not my definition but a quote from one of the actor of movie industry.
Besides, Nollywood has become a generally accepted name for Nigeria movie industry.
naptu2: See how you contradicted yourself. You said that Nollywood is all movies produced in the Nigerian film industry, yet you said that Living in Bondage is the pioneer of Nollywood in Nigeria. Living in Bondage was released in 1992! So what would you call "Aiye", Hubert Ogunde's movie that was shot on celluloid in 1979 and shown in cinemas like Kings Cinema, Casino Cinema, etc. In Lagos?
What would you call Eddie Ugbomah's famous movie, "Death of a Black President" that was released in the early 1980s? Chief Ugbomah had to flee Nigeria because of that movie. The movie was about Murtala Muhammed's death, but the Nigerian Army did not give him permission to use military uniforms and equipment, but he did it anyway and he had to escape from Nigeria.
Would you call Dr Ola Balogun's movies, which were shot on celluloid in the 1970s Nollywood movies? Note that Dr Balogun has a PhD in movie making and also note that he hates the name "Nollywood". He has travelled all over the world to campaign against it.
Do you know that Nigerian movies that were shot on celluloid were shown in Nigerian cinemas like:
Kings Cinema, Lewis Street, Lagos Island.
Casino Cinema, Alagomeji, Yaba.
Roxy Cinema, Apapa.
Pen Cinema, Agege.
Plaza Cinema, Onikan/Tafawa Balewa Square.
Metro Cinema, Onipanu.
Glover Hall, Customs/Broad Street, Lagos.
Danjuma cinema, Agege.
God Dey cinema, Ajegunle.
and the Cinema Hall of the National Arts Theatre, Iganmu in the 1960s, 70s and 1980s?
Your definition of Nollywood is obviously very wrong.
I said Living in bondage CAN'T be the pioneer of Nollywood. Read well. Gbam.
naptu2: I think we should begin by answering these questions.
1) Were those movies Nollywood movies?
2) Is every movie that is made in Nigeria a Nollywood movie?
3) What is a Nollywood movie?
4) Are Eddie Ugbomah's movies like "The Rise and Fall of Oyenusi" (1979) and "Death of a Black President" (1984) Nollywood movies? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Ugbomah
Nollywood is all movies produced in Nigeria film industry.
According to Alex Eyengho defined Nollywood as "the totality of activities taking place in the Nigerian film industry, be it in English, Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, Itsekiri, Edo, Efik, Ijaw, Urhobo or any other of the over 300 Nigerian languages". He further stated that "the historical trajectory of Nollywood started since the pre and post independent Nigeria, with the theatrical (stage) and cinematic (celluloid) efforts of the likes of Chief Hubert Ogunde, Chief Amata, Baba Sala, Ade Love, Eddie Ugbomah and a few others".
Based on this definition, Living in Bondage can't be considered the pioneer of Nollywood in Nigeria. Gbam.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 11:57pm On Jun 06, 2020
