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Angelfrost:
So called woke and liberal people who call themselves "mentally superior" be sleeping on this Voodoo matter...!

Witchcraft is real!

No amount of scientific advancement or indepth knowledge will change that!

Bahamas95:
Don't mind them jor!

You see all forms of pretenders on the internet. They think admitting witchcraft is real makes them look primitive.

ogaemma:
Some Nigerians have juju power's like this and they cannot use it on the real thieves in Government House's, Aso Rock and National Assembly.
Wasted juju power.

😅 If this were true Tinubu would have been sounding like bullion van for long!😂

Gabrielshow24:
Once again, Straw man!

The example of Peter cited shows his optimal choice fulfilled the prophecy! If I were to use this straw man, from where did you infer that it was the prophet that did the calculations?

I said an intelligent mind, presumably God, that can configure events to fulfill his words! The same way it was fulfilled about Jesus, the same was fulfilled on Peter along with all the fulfilled prophecies in the bible! It doesn't negate the freewill of the actors!

How is this hard for you to understand 🤨? I, can configure my wife to do things I want, how be it a wise omnipotent, infinite God? Even chess theory is totally against your argument!
Perhaps, I trapped my opponents knight at the edge of the board, does it negate his free will of moving his knight, kindly let us know?— He can't because it's not optimal, he only waits for some freeing moves if it exists! 🤨

My bros I'll give u a slack because it seems u honestly don't understand.
You trapped your opponent's knight at the edge years before he was born and the chessboard built!😅
Get it now?

Can't you see that. Just as in that video clip, they're probably NOT foretelling the future - but simply saying things that somehow have ALREADY happened, but we're not aware they have already happened!
I suspect somehow all this has already happened in a different world and simply repeating exactly as before - and that's what they're tapping into

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't matter the time difference, the matter of essence is that with certainty the actor's actions are known! For Peter, it was hours later, for Jesus it was hundreds of years before. The time-length of the prophecy doesn't determine anything, the actor always has a choice but an intelligent mind has configured it that the optimal choice will fulfill the prophecy!

I can't believe you're actually saying this with a straight face. As a Christian you truly believe that when Jadas's mom was an unmarried young lady and a seer or prophet told her that her son would betray the Messiah, it was because the prophet did some calculations whereby the optimal choice was for him to betray Jesus?! Na wa 4 you o

Selmedigital:
Woow I never imagined that was what really happened

Yep. Check it out on this 20 seconds clip

https://youtube.com/shorts/rwRgTzhuX4s?si=6pM5LVnxmPWPaiWU

Jasxers1430 is it possible to rent a car without a driver in Nigeria? Where and how?

Yet somehow he's DESTINED to win the presidency. You can't fight destiny

A simple magic trick - Nicky was sitting on a hidden platform

I agree with you.
I watched a video of greatest plays of Pele, Maradona, and Messi.
Messi is the greatest

DeepSight:
If something is predestined to happen, the actor has no choice. If the writer of a book has set the plot, the characters are nothing.

Your argument only works when you are thinking of one human guessing the actions of another. It breaks down when you are talking of an omniscient power who knows exactly what will happen

Gabrielshow24:
Nope, that's quite wrong. My argument takes into account an omnipotent power knowing all the possible moves and thus irrespective of the one taken it knows for a certainty the end result!

If you had read my response you would have known I made mention of human conditioning, I also took that into account. An intelligent mind can configure circumstances such that only one possible outcome is available to the actor! It's like having an irrefutable mate against your opponent, his outcome is loss no matter whatsoever he plays!

Thanks 4 helping out Mr Deepie. You forgot to remind him that these things were foretold hundreds of years b4 the actors were born, à la birth of the Messiah in a manger!

I don't know why we Christians find it so difficult to admit an obvious truth:
There's something about the combination of prophecy and freewill that simply just doesn't add up!


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Gabrielshow24:
why not consider Peter's story? It answers your questions! Peter had a choice didn't he?

Nope. Not if someone knew what he'd do hundreds of years before he was born à la birth of the Messiah in a manger!

While MOST Men crave a submissive woman, there is a very small group of men ready to pay a woman to dominate, punish, and totally humiliate them. And they're usually high-ranking men!

lawani:
How can John the Baptist who is not known outside the Bible be a great prophet that came before Jesus?. John the Baptist is not known to history and neither is Jesus Christ who was blown.out of proportion with a changed name centuries after his exit. Jesus Christ was not recorded in Roman history. He is only known in the Bible. Also his name was never Jesus Christ. He was Yisa bin Pantheras. Iesous is the only son of Zeus the Greek supreme deity and he is depicted as the Christ the perfect son of God. Christianity has a Jewish foundation but the Jewish messiah was morphed into the Greek pantheon and embellished with Roman traditions. No man is anything other human beings can never become whether God or last prophet

How great was JohnTB? He was so great they thought he was the "prophet like Moses" promised to Israelites in OT, or Elijah himself. I mean, he baptized God! That's how great he was!

Jesus was mentioned severally in History. See some examples below.
His given name was Yeshua. You can google and find out how he came to be called Jesus

Gabrielshow24:
I understand your point but I must also recall to you that the upper limit of probability is certainty! Probability acts as to show the degree of uncertainty, it doesn't mean some circumstances can't guarantee 100% probability—certainty, although rare!

Also, this clause "the choice was somehow supplied to him as his own when it wasn't." expresses human conditioning which I accounted for.

Prophecy is likewise prediction, even you as a Christian know the phrase "prophecy fails". Thus even if the oracle told him all that he is to do with certainty, he still has free will to fulfill it. Even when Saul was told all that he was to do, he was given an heart to fulfill it. Even Christ was obedient unto death!—Christ could have done otherwise or left everyone for himself 🤨 but he chose to obey!

In addition, the case of Peter is a perfect example 🤨. Jesus told him he will deny him, Peter resisted but the circumstances offered one optimal option —denial! Other options lead to possible crucifixion! 😁

Do you grab my point?

No, sorry I don't grab your point.
Demonstrate it with this practical example.
How did the oracle know 100% what the guy would do?
https://youtube.com/shorts/PLclzmowpHU?si=ft6EVAxkOGczbsqY

"the choice was somehow supplied to him as his own when it wasn't." means EXACTLY that he had no freewill

Bottom line, there's something about this our reality that just doesn't add up!

Janosky:
Did Jesus Christ call himself "God the son" in your own Bible @ John 3:16 & John 10:36?


Is your AI inspired of God?

Did your AI call Jesus "God the son @ John 3:16?

Don't bring AI into it. This is verbatim quotation of the verse you quoted. Nowhere did Jesus say anything, YET this is what you claimed he did: "Jesus rejects your claim."
Verses you quoted say Jesus is the ONLY Son of God. How can God have a son without a mother. So it is NOT son in the human sense. That ONLY "Son" means an offshoot of God which is also God!

Also, contrary to your JW doctrine, it says salvation is ENTIRELY a gift, not something you earned in any way!

Janosky:
John 3:16 & John 20:30-31,Jesus rejects your claim.

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John 14:9 is the proper meaning of John 14:24.

You keep throwing up random verses hoping no one would look them up. Here's the very first verse you threw up. Where does Jesus say anything in the verse talkless of rejecting my claim? If anything it counteracts your JW doctrine!

budaatum:
Some still believe bubu died in 2017 too, and refuse to accept it's debunked.

WHEN was it debunked??!!

Dtruthspeaker:
See it. I said "pass common entrance and JSC," you have changed it to live up to his potential.

Men, you need the hospital

I know you are not that dumb my brother.
"Pass common entrance and JSC" are of course part of his potential and anything can derail all that.
There is something about this our reality that just doesn't add up!

Zuckembego:
And she divorced a dead husband?

Use your head. They were never married!

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budaatum:
Obama was not born in the United States of America, Americans did not land on the moon, and the earth is most definitely flat.

Please, all these have been PROVEN CONCLUSIVELY FALSE!!
Not so with Bubu dying in 2017 when he spent about a year in UK and came back looking much younger with some prominent birth marks (like split in his ear) missing!!

How can she be married to Jubril El Sudani? She was married to Bubu but he died in 2017

Mental illness. Spirituality is fine but some things need involvement of doctors

Gabrielshow24:
Yes, you can. That's why God gave you a brain! If with your brain you can't figure out a person's possible moves then it's a stain on your education! It doesn't negate the free will of the actor.

Your argument is shallow and expects humans to be "". In certain circumstances, wisdom dictates that the actor has only one optimal option available to him/her! Still, free will is not diminished.

I think this is an appropriate response for you also:

In that short clip the fact the oracle already knew with certainty what the guy would do means either the guy had no choice (no freewill) or the choice was somehow supplied to him as his own when it wasn't.

The case of the intelligent child that the other guy cited is laughable. The child may not live up to his potential for a million variety of reasons including sickness and death. He may even use his freewill to decide he no longer wanted to go to school!
You are confusing probability with certainty, confusing prophecy with prediction.


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Dtruthspeaker:
Your problem is your understanding and in it the ambiguity of the words eg "next move" will definitely be a problem. So won't understand that if we see an intelligent child we 100% know that he will pass common entrance and JSC.

But you won't ever understand no matter how people try to explain it.

In that short clip the fact the oracle already knew with certainty means either the guy had no choice (no freewill) or the choice was somehow supplied to him as his own when it wasn't.

The case of the intelligent child is laughable. The child may not live up to his potential for a million variety of reasons including sickness and death. He may even use his freewill to decide he no longer wanted to go to school!
You are confusing probability with certainty, confusing prophecy with prediction.

LordReed:
You can listen to it while you do other tasks, it doesn’t require you to sit and stare at the screen.

What if this world was actually made of jello? We can "what if" till the sun swallows the earth, what will always be helpful is what we know and how we know it.

If I ever get to know without equivocation that this wotld is an illusion then there would be no need to believe in a god so I would still operate without belief in a god.

I'm actually the type that has to give things my full attention. Which is why my reasoning is so cogent!

The operative element is that YOU DON'T KNOW! And if someone who knows is prophesied to come. And when he comes declares that he truly knows and issues some instructions that are NOT hard to follow. Isn't the wise thing to do would be to follow the instructions instead of arguing about it - since you admittedly don't know!

Which kind foolish list be this? You suppose count down from the lowest to the highest

jmoore:
How is Odumeje a pastor?

Well, he has a church and he pastors that church.
Does that answer your question?

Janosky:
John 14:9 Jesus is not the Father nau.

John 14:24,28 Jesus statement against your quote of verse 9 is written in simple English.

Of course Jesus is NOT the Father. Jesus is God the "Son", a manifestation of the Father, seeing whom is seeing the Father

Janosky:
Everyday you call Jesus with letter J.

All the Jewish names in your own Bible is with letter J.

Oga,dey reason & write like an educated person

See below

Gabrielshow24:
Imagine a scenario where 70% of us on Nairaland predicts that if Tinubu enters again for his second term it will be "looting galore"— Does it in any way undermine his agency of choice to actually commit such an action?

Think my bro, you are not being coherent and logical! Even in chess where grandmasters analyze myriad of candidate moves, 10-15moves deep, they are still caught by surprise because they didn't accomodate some certain moves from their opponents—free will!

Once again, the outcome is predetermined but the choice is yours!

This one don pass me o. Can someone PLEASE help me tell my Christian brother here that you CAN'T KNOW with 100% certainty what a person's next move would be if the person had free will!!

Even in this clip I previously shared, the guy knew right away he had no freewill if the oracle was 100% certain what his choice would be!!
WHY is it so hard for my bros here to fathom??
https://youtube.com/shorts/PLclzmowpHU?si=ft6EVAxkOGczbsqY


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LordReed:
FreeIgboho

You might find this interesting:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7DHTW-olGI

The video is over 1hour long and you expect me to sit and watch it - me that only watches shorts! .
But it's a good atheist channel to know.

But, like I asked you before, what if this physical world you trust so deeply is NOT as physical and solid as you think. What if everything you've ever believed about this reality around you is based on a grand illusion? Ever thought of that?

VaginaAcademic:
him going into forex at his age when most of his peers are still feeding from their parents makes him a "genius"

Geniuses don't only happen in one sector of one country called Nigeria which just happens to be the Yahoo capital of the world. You'd be seeing genius in other areas too like app development. It'd be in something innovative NOT forex that has people with decades of experience!