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Gabrielshow24:
I partly agree with your submissions but I will like if you can kindly define "mind control" before I give my candid reply. You seem to appeal to an external observer🤨 and you are also displaying actor-observer asymmetry along with observer bias!

It's written right there. Your choices are NOT truly your own though you'd swear they are - as in a hypnotized person

How come in the old days and biblical times, no genotype, yet no problems

1Alex:
I started using Samsung since 2011. I used note1 from 2011 to 2013, note 3 2013 to 2018(without screen protector but still no single scratch on screen in 2018, I had to change it because it was getting very old.)

then I bought Google pixel 3xl 2018 to 2020, after just one drop, the screen smashed.

I bought pixel 3a xl in 2020, again the screen smashed in 2021, I went back to Samsung, bought galaxy note 9, it got stolen after one month.

I went back and repaired the pixel 3xl, used it from 2021 to 2023,the screen spoilt again,

I bought galaxy note 10 plus. From 2023 till now. That's what I'm making this post with.

Among all the Samsung, none had a single fault whatsoever, even on the screen.

You sure have a good memory, or you keep very good records

Nigeria AND Yoruba?
I thought Yoruba was a tribe in Nigeria?

Wahala, Wahala, Wahala, in Portable's voice
Portable, Ole! - VDM

giftson102:
And do you know the number birth related deaths in those days...??
Ask questions even though there were no data then..

We have our grand and great grand parents as evidence. And all those women in the Bible. You hardly hear of any of them dying in childbirth - despite no genotype, no ante-natal, no c-section, etc

thepathoflogos:
That’s a blessing. Truly. But let’s not forget: people are wired differently. We all wear life differently.

Still, even though perspectives differ, one thing remains constant: there’s a deeper standard beyond vibes — God’s standard.

Not religion. Not routine. But real alignment with purpose.

If this thread sparks something in you — don’t hold back.

Your words might be the light someone else needs to hear today. 💡

Some of us don't know how blessed we are until someone else complains of not having something we take totally for granted, something we don't even realize we have

What I don't understand is why in the old days they had no c-sections AND no birth issues.

Sonnobax15:

I'm so disappointed in VDM . Why stoop so low to fighting someone like Portable who has got nothing to lose at all . Why do you want to stain the good reputation which you've been building all because you want to clap back at someone who's ready to roam the streets nakeddd if that's what it'd take for him to put food on his table

VDM,you fall my hand truly truly.

I disagree with you. It is an enjoyable song and it shows he has another dimension to him.
I never knew he was into music.
Like play, like play, im music career go blow

Goodlady:
So sad.
Sad so.
Bad development.
Development bad.
Bad example.
Example bad.

All in a bid to reach 40 characters!
Thanks a lot Seun!

Gabrielshow24:
🤨 that's a simple way to put it. Have you taken exams before? 👀 Don't you have the choice to miss it? 🤨.

I used chess "gobbledygook" to exemplify the inherent agency of choice! I know many that have missed "a must attended venue by 3pm"!
I even knew one during my yesteryears as a student that missed a 3pm Exam because he got an emergency 🤨. What then are you saying? Can we not say that Divine Providence or Determinism made him miss it? The circumstances presented before him made him fulfill this "Divine Providence"!🤧

Do you understand? All your write-up keeps neglecting the agency of choice of the actor. In all, if Divine Determinism is in place, the "choices" will align with it not that the actor doesn't have free will! From Peter, to Jesus, to Jonah to this friend of mine that had to resit because of a family emergency! The choices they made fulfilled Divine Providence!

That just shows that God has an advanced means of configuring circumstances to match His words based on your actions!

Like I've said before, we can't go into anybody's head and see if they truly have freewill. We can only infer from what we observe.
If a hypnotist has a subject conditioned to jump every time he hears a whistle, the subject could very well have fee will and be doing it intentionally, but we observing will have to conclude he's under mind control.

Same way, if Peter is told he'd do what he would never normally do, exactly 3 times in a few hours. He could very well have done it intentionally, or "circumstances could have been configured to match his actions", but we observing will have to conclude he was under some sort of mind control, or he was acting out what had somehow already happened (as in that my clip).

So, same way, we don't know how God does his thing. It could very well be he "has an advanced means of configuring circumstances to match his words based on your actions" like you said, or he bends the whole world to match whatever you do, or you always find out what he predetermined and then use your free will to do it. All good and well, but we as observers see it as what it most likely is - your choices are not truly your own!


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Gabrielshow24:
Can someone kindly explain to my christian brother that each decision forms a decision tree? An infinite decision tree which an infinite God can look upon to know exactly where you will be at 3pm depending on the choice you make!

It's not hard at all. Let's start from the basics.
Does God have any problem? Why is your answer so? Once you can genuinely answer both questions then you will see that in the context of determinism, God knows all(variations) but this in no way negates the free will of the actor!

Stockfish, in the context of chess, is familiar with all grandmaster positions and even more based on its self-learning, it's also used as a trainer for Super Gms to generate new ideas and strategies. This in no way negates the free will of GMs to deviate from open theory. Some Gms even play uncommon lines to take their opponents out of prep! This is also part of the reason that led Fischer to create chess960 to reduce the redundancy generated by memorization as some Gms were memorizing chess opening theory, 30moves deep!

Chess opening is there for all, you can go learn but it doesn't negate my prerogative to deviate from it. I can intentionally play sub-optimal moves that both myself and my opponent know it's not the best because I am aware my opponent doesn't know the refutation! —He has only memorized the optimal moves and their variations, he knows others are suboptimal but doesn't know why!

The Oracle of Daphne was known for using ambiguous statements to ensure irrespective of how the statement is taken, it always fulfills prophecy🤨 and that's coming from an human concept now imagine an infinite God, thus irrespective of whatsoever you choose he is aware of it!

Bottom line: you can't answer the question and you're trying to camouflage with long chess goobblydygook.
So it is settled:
You CAN'T 100% MUST be at a certain place at a given time (you have no choice), and at same time 100% don't have to be there because you have freewill and can be any place you choose!

Gabrielshow24:
I have replied him in other threads, all these sentiments doesn't negate Jesus divine Essence and Godship! Jesus said all these! He glorified his Father and by the way, no one was even arguing that "the Father was not greater than Jesus in Authority!".

He doesn't understand his own problem statement 😂!He just has this delusion that he is refuting trinity when the very notion of this implies he has to negate the Godship of Jesus! —Something he hasn't done but even affirmed in different posts!

So Mr Boomark what do you have to say about this? Dtruthspeaker also.
As for my prepared long response, I've decided to discard it and state only this one point:
You are taking the LIVING God (Father,Son, HS) out of the equation. Trinity doctrine would not have survived this long if God were not behind it. I know you'd mention other things that have also survived, but this is different - it pertains to God PERSONALLY. Same way Christianity could not be stamped out by Rome because God was behind it, same way Arianism was popular even after Nicea but eventually had to die because God was not behind it, the LIVING CHRIST is involved in these things and alive in people's lives. A lie about him personally would not have survived and thrived for this long.
The Bible is great, but it is still only words in a book - a book that has been handled and mishandled by many, many men for a long time!

Dtruthspeaker:
I heard people can no longer do that again.

Gabrielshow24:
Yeah

How would you answer this below? I'm taking my time preparing an answer that will totally put the issue to rest

Boomark:
All you have written here are off point. I have no business with 50 million bishops doing the work of the antichrist. Indirectly you are saying that what Jesus said is useless because of the context you manufactured. You don't even understand the few scriptures you posted and you are talking about reading the whole bible.


Show me the context that shows that what Jesus said is useless. Focus on the key points

1. The Father is the ONLY TRUE God. John 17:3

2. The Father IS HIS God. Rev 3:12

Show us scriptures that nullify his words.

Whatever you are showing should be able to tell us that the Father is NOT the only true God. That the Father is NOT his God. Any other thing outside this will be off point and off context.

I cannot ask you to me something about TRUTH and you start telling me about TROUSER.

Dtruthspeaker:
I heard people can no longer do that again.

Maybe you're right. I haven't been seeing that "Nobody" lately

Dtruthspeaker:
He has given only an overview and the big picture.

If he knew how God is always precise, would that not mean that he and God are mates?

As I said you have a haed issue.

And besides, this is a change of post for the topic is about the freewill of a player and not about how God makes His Moves.

Gabrielshow24:
Yeah

This is not a matter of too much grammar. Please calmly explain to us how God can know exactly where you MUST be at 3pm (you 100% can't be any place else), YET you can be any place else! So you can't be any place else, YET you can be any place else! Can't you see there's NOTHING you can say or twist to make it add up FROM HUMAN PERSPECTIVE??


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dollytino4real:
e go sweet o grandma versus grand pa mixture

How e go take sweet?
Sweetest love is my age - Romeo and Juliet
See below

Some of us are blessed - we don’t feel any emptiness, thank God. We only read when people write it and we wonder what the heck they talking about

Oops!
He forgot he was no longer in our beloved, totally corrupt country!

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A billion here, a billion there, and before you know it we're talking real money!

Not bad!😅
Catchy tune!
Ole! Portable, Ole! Portable, Ole!😂
I like it - despite I don't dislike Portable.
They should form a dance move to it!

I never knew Portable na thief

When Lalasticlala was here, front page straight!

dollytino4real:
i will soon be a grand ma,

So what? He himself has been grandpa for a while

Gabrielshow24:
Likewise an infinite God will know all possible moves and end results that I can achieve in Go,still that doesn't negate my free will to place my tile anywhere on the board! How hard is this for anyone to understand? Good bye, have a nice day!

Does this statement make sense to you? An infinite God knows you MUST be at certain spot at 3pm today. It is part of His plan. Please explain how chess theory allows you to be another place at 3pm and thwart his plan!

Gabrielshow24:
For the umpteenth time, what you wrote up there is false! Chess Theory is against you! Theoretically, chess has billions of positions, positions a vast infinite intelligent mind can visualize (know) but your own choices determines your path!

Just because stockFish knows the best move that I am to play doesn't negate my free will. Likewise an infinite God will know all possible moves and end results that I can achieve in Go,still that doesn't negate my free will to place my tile anywhere on the board! How hard is this for anyone to understand? Good bye, have a nice day!

You don't understand, it doesn't matter chess theory or how many billions of moves there are, if you can ONLY make one particular move at a particular given moment, you can't possibly have freewill. Freewill means you have the freedom to put that piece anywhere at that given moment, including throw it away!
Further, remember the underlined below as definition of freewill.

Dexlomo:
Where can one easily get PEP in Lagos?

Not sure. But below is cost of a month's supply which is what you need to prevent infection AFTER the virus has already entered you

Dtruthspeaker:
He deleted his posts? I don't think so. Once you post you can't delete it again. Abi dem don put dat button?

What else could have happened to them? Everything he ever posted couldn't have been deleted without his consent. I mean people delete their moniker all the time and it shows as
"nobody".

Gabrielshow24:
At this point, there's no reason to press this conversation further. As I have said earlier you are impervious to scripture and just want to peddle this misleading information!

Pre-determination and free will go hand in hand. The hypnotized person will always enact his[b] free will [/b] irrespective of whether or not external observers can see he is hypnotized!

But We can all see he is hypnotized because his actions are not really his own, the same way Jesus prayed for forgiveness for the masses that killed him, knowing fully well that they are being pushed by external forces!

God's determinism and the person's free will go hand in hand! After all Jesus obeyed, Saul was giving an heart to obey etc.

Thanks for your scientific opinions, I rest my case. You can continue to believe that man doesn't have free will, with undertones of unaccountability, while I hold onto biblical belief!—The confluence of God's determinism and man's free will!

Nice chatting with you. It's just a matter of HONESTY and admitting you don't have all the answers, instead of claiming to know then saying something everyone can see is ridiculously false.
From our perspective as human beings God can't already know what you will do, what you must do, and yet you have the freewill to choose to do it or not. It is IMPOSSIBLE from human perspective. It is either one or the other. And trying to twist words and things so that they are both somehow simultaneously true is called DISHONESTY!

Dtruthspeaker:
Omo! See Ban posts. This is the most I have seen in this Nairaland. Those banned comments look like 30.

This reminds me.

Actually they're not bans. That's why I wrote this before:
Anybody knows why MaxInDHouse deleted all his 43 topics and all his posts?
Maybe he quit JW or got disfellowshiped or something.
I pray he's ok.