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budaatum:
This is not what I read in my own book. God was not written to have been created from mud like Adam was! But if that's what you read in your's, so be it to you.

Do go and check the duty Adam was given though, to tend a garden, which is clearly not the duty given to the image of God's creation, which was, rule over the earth and the sea and dominate and subdue and be blessed. And neither was their pay the same pay - all the fruit bearing trees for one, and not some trees for the other.


Are you suggesting Adam was predestined to live as an Ignorant slave in the garden of Eden?

If so, thankfully, Eve objected and freed him.


Really? Then, use her own senses Eve must be Perfection Plus for using her senses. And the creation in the image of God must be Perfection Plus Plus.

I sure know which I would rather be.


Really? You just have faith, and money that is not in your pocket appears because you have faith?

Me, I have to get off my faithless ass and work with the sweat of my brow and then at the end of the month money appears in my bank account from which I then use my ATM to transfer some of it into my pocket which I will then see in my pocket when I check my pocket.

But I guess that's because my God that requires me to work for the money in my pocket must not be as powerful as your God that puts money in your pocket because you have faith.

You very faithful freeze!


Freeze, what you are asking of buda is that buda abandon all the intelligence you claim buda has and become ignorant and enslaved in the Garden of Eden where buda's head can be filled with what your head is filled with.

To which buda's response is, "I would rather go and swim in nuclear waste". And to which I add, if buda does what you suggest, I will take that buda to the bottom of a river and bash that buda's head against a rock and drown that buda in nuclear waste and cut that buda into tiny bits and feed that dead buda to the fish! Though I might not do that last bit so as not to poison the poor fish.

Thou shalt not tempt buda with ignorance, freeze, for you shall not succeed!

budaatum:
This question was asked of me by MuttleyLaff here. I have created a thread for it to share it with others who may not wish to derail John's Gospel.

His question has provoked thought in me and I believe it would provoke thought in you too. So, no knee jerks please. Think before you respond.

What is God?

budaatum:
This is not what I read in my own book. God was not written to have been created from mud like Adam was! But if that's what you read in your's, so be it to you.

Do go and check the duty Adam was given though, to tend a garden, which is clearly not the duty given to the image of God's creation, which was, rule over the earth and the sea and dominate and subdue and be blessed. And neither was their pay the same pay - all the fruit bearing trees for one, and not some trees for the other.


Are you suggesting Adam was predestined to live as an Ignorant slave in the garden of Eden?

If so, thankfully, Eve objected and freed him.


Really? Then, use her own senses Eve must be Perfection Plus for using her senses. And the creation in the image of God must be Perfection Plus Plus.

I sure know which I would rather be.


Really? You just have faith, and money that is not in your pocket appears because you have faith?

Me, I have to get off my faithless ass and work with the sweat of my brow and then at the end of the month money appears in my bank account from which I then use my ATM to transfer some of it into my pocket which I will then see in my pocket when I check my pocket.

But I guess that's because my God that requires me to work for the money in my pocket must not be as powerful as your God that puts money in your pocket because you have faith.

You very faithful freeze!


Freeze, what you are asking of buda is that buda abandon all the intelligence you claim buda has and become ignorant and enslaved in the Garden of Eden where buda's head can be filled with what your head is filled with.

To which buda's response is, "I would rather go and swim in nuclear waste". And to which I add, if buda does what you suggest, I will take that buda to the bottom of a river and bash that buda's head against a rock and drown that buda in nuclear waste and cut that buda into tiny bits and feed that dead buda to the fish! Though I might not do that last bit so as not to poison the poor fish.

Thou shalt not tempt buda with ignorance, freeze, for you shall not succeed!

budaatum:
That's the problem with some of you. You are descendants of Adam and Eve, naked and ignorantly slaving in a tiny proxy Garden of Eden to grow the most precious fruit you are too afraid to eat for fear you might certainly surely die, instead of descendants of the humans God created “in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Can those who eat not of fruits of knowledge rule over anything?

Does the narrow gate not lead to you knowing you are created in the image of the Most High with the powers to do as Gods do?


I love your definition.

Atheism is the refusal to allow oneself to be indoctrinated in to the same line of thought because one uses one's own heart and soul and mind and brain to ask and knock and seek for oneself.

I would have said, see it below in [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206%3A22-23&version=NIV]Matthew 6:22-23[/url], but that would involve the use of your own eyes to see for yourself instead of allowing yourself to "inculcate in their members the same line of thought".

budaatum:
Religious people tend to believe what they are told, and hardly become as children, abandoning what they've been told to believe and read the book with their own eyes. You'd see this in my Garden of Eden posts where believers believe the creation they read was created in God's image is the same as Adam and Eve, even though the dates given for their creation is different, and the tasks they were given are different, and the reward/pay is different. They'd even claim Adam and Eve whom they read lived for some 800 years after eating the fruit they were told would kill them, died when they ate the fruit. And that, despite the amazing things - becoming free from slavery and populating the earth - they read they went on to accomplish.

What amuses me is, Christians desire to believe they descended from Adam who was created from mud instead of being descendants of creations in God's image. No wonder they can't say "let there be light" without crying NEPA. Now, if they but eat the fruits of knowledge they'd rule over the earth and subdue it and etc, and when they say "let there be light", there would indeed be light, but they believe instead and tremble in the dark like demons.

As for making the transition, it's almost as impossible as camels entering through the needle's eye, though not completely impossible. One just need let Jesus spit on mud and rub it in one's eyes then go bath in the Pool of Siloam. Then shall eyes indeed be opened and you'd see the Bible and other religious books for the wonderful books they truly are, as in good for food and for opening eyes and good for gaining wisdom.

That day will indeed come however. It's hard to continue believing what does not produce the desired result, though many think it's paradise in heaven after they die, and not a state of paradise right here on the earth that they currently live on. And atheists will realise this when 'Christ' does finally open their eyes so that they may see. After all, to become an atheist, one must first ask and knock and seek with one's own heart and soul and mind and being, and when they do find, they will be dismayed, and when they are dismayed, they will be astonished, and will become king over the All.

It's an evolutionary process, my Lord, and you are evolving.

budaatum:
Definition. (Very layman!)

Scientifically Prove, is to use one's own senses (heart and soul and mind and being) to ask and knock and seek in order to verify.

Now, please answer the question in bold above.


No, I do not agree "that it is possible to cause a woman to become pregnant only by giving her water with no intercourse", because there is no evidence whatsoever that I have come across to suggest "that it is possible to cause a woman to become pregnant only by giving her water with no intercourse".



Definition

Miracle - an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.

It basically means, one does not know how an extraordinary and welcome event occured, so one ignorantly claims it is a miracle.

If one enquired with one's heart and soul and mind and being, the miracle may be understood or revealed for what it is.

budaatum:
I have not found one. Have you?

I've heard of a woman giving births to rabbits though.

budaatum:
If by conjugation, you mean sex, as in the temporary union of two bacteria or unicellular organisms for the exchange of genetic material, then technically, yes.

I can after all collect your sperm and use a turkey baster to insert it into a woman and get her pregnant.

But if you mean without your's or anyone else's sperm and my turkey baster, then there is nothing to conjugate.


I can collect your sperm and insert it into a virgin woman without her being disvirgined. But we would have to agree that you and I were involved in getting her pregnant since she can not get pregnant without your sperm and my turkey baster.

I have included an image of my turkey baster in case you don't know what it is.

budaatum:
And with no evidence you choose to believe what your Principal, Leader Olumba Olumba Obu told you?


buda does not believe stories, Freeze. buda seeks to understand them.

There are many lists of people whose birth was supposedly immaculate and of a virgin here on Nairaland. Here is just one of such lists, but I'm certain someone will post others, though I feel you wouldn't believe their births were immaculate.

budaatum:
The clue is in "story". Stories are not meant to be believed. They are meant to be understood.

You would not believe what you read in Things Fall Apart, or Harry Potter, but can still learn a lot from the stories.


Lol! Think please.

If you have zero Naira and I give you zero Naira, how much Naira would you have?

Better still, if you have zero Naira, and you owe me 10 Naira, how much Naira don't you have?

If there was nothing (zero) in the world, and if God added nothing (zero) to the world, what would there be, and where?


Sorry, but you can not want me to know what you don't know but merely believe.

More accurately is for you to say you want me to believe what you believe. And to that, buda says, no thank you.


First. No one on earth has ever given birth through your so called immaculate conception! It's just something you have chosen to believe. If anyone had given birth after immaculately conceiving, there'd be a baby to prove they gave birth, and that baby would not be an abstract baby but an actual crying and pooing physical baby.

Second. I don't think I need to prove to you that those who lack knowledge, (allegorically speaking those who have refused to nourish themselves with the fruits of knowledge), are more likely to die sooner of their ignorance. They definitely would not have sufficient knowledge to be fruitful and rule over or subdue or dominate anything, and those who do eat fruits of knowledge would likely subdue and dominate them. And if those ignorant people were to say "let there be light", the response is more likely to be NEPA, instead of "and there was light".

If you need proof however, please look around you.


That is the purpose of the thread. And thank you for using your own heart and soul and mind to consider it, instead of merely believing a single word I have written.

budaatum:
Do you seriously expect me to believe this? Surely you'd need to provide more evidence than you just saying so.

budaatum:
Before Adam and Eve, God is written to have created humans in his own Image to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth".

Can you please tell me if those humans were "designed to crawl, and then just like that, leapfrog into flying" please? Because my own understanding is they could do a lot more than crawl and leapfrog, being in the Image of the Superpower Creator of the Universe and all.


Please tell me how the humans God created were going to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" if they did not eat the fruits of trees of knowledge. Were they going to use their ignorance perhaps?


Can you explain the "different levels of death" to me please?

Also explain the level of death that involves having children, and populating the earth, and living 800 years after this your "level of dead" and then actually dying.


I guess I am not part of this your "we" who "all know" because I definitely know nothing of the sort. What I know is Eve ate and found it good for food and for gaining Wisdom. And to be honest with you, if they were dead there'd be no point cursing them, I would have thought.

And thank you in advance for your time. It is most appreciated.

budaatum:
You are in spirit brother to see something in a picture, I too, Learn from ALL even random words in clothes have a way of delivering a message..by the way, do you think Freeze007 is a bad name if not how can I change it? I just asked someone this, do you believe there are everlasting beings?



Let me tell you a story. I once went to Chartres in France to see the Cathedral. On getting there and seeing this monstrosity the Cathedral seemed to be to me, I was disgusted at the amount of money that must have been spent on building it. But after three days of exploring it, I realised that the Cathedral was a 12th Century 'book' written into the building at a time when books were not available to the individual.

Books are not only what we would normally think they are, is my point. And you did put your own experience into 'book', Freeze007, for that is precisely what you did and what I read and then asked you to clarify, which you dutifully did, and which I appreciate immensely.

budaatum:
Book, as opposed to theory, is important. It is how those who lived before us express themselves so we can hear them. The art is not to believe what you read, but to seek to understand what they have written and then to move on forward.

See books as a boat with which one crosses a river. Once one gets to the other side the boat is no more required and should therefore be left by the shore.