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coogar: you are a tool.....
is this the kind of stuff you should make april fool jokes about? if you had lost your entire family to boko haram bombs, would you be in a position to make dumb jokes about terrorists? you are a brainless human being......

Take it easy bros, and take it from me that this guy has fooled virtually everyone, not only you, some guys just pretend. Who knows, he may even be among the first persons to be directly called "a fool" in this month of April.

Ubenedictus: my dear! That is your problem! I don't need an exact scripture passage to celebrate the resurrection of christ. I celebrate my birthday and there are no scripture verses that say so.
If celebrating the resurrection is pagan simply becos it isn't in the bible, then everything not in the bible must be pagan.
Bottomline: i dont need a bible passage to celebrate christ's resurrection. And i can't be accused of sin unless u have a passage dat says "dont celebrate the resurrection"
where there is no law there is no sin.

Is this the kind of sermon you preach in your church? Hmmm, I can see why you would also say child molestation is not a sin, for I am sure there is so such law as, thou shall not commit child...

I can't repeat what I told you before, I provided scriptures that question your celebration, you refused to comment on any of them. Friend, please do me one favor; ensure that you don't preach the above in your church and will hide the comment from kids - it will breed more molesters and other related vices of which the bible does not expressly say: thou shall not...

Ubenedictus: oga, i really no get ur time!

Ubenedictus, if my requests were for scriptural supports to prove that Mary was the mother of Jesus Christ, I am sure there would have been time for that. To present just a scripture in support of Easter has sapped all your time? Ok, I will see if truly you don't have time for me.

Ubenedictus: celebrating christ's resurrection is an unholy thing? Weldone.

Hmmmm, here you have time for me because there is no request for scriptural supports. Ok, what is Easter, how did it creep into Christianity and which scriptures support its celebration?

souldust: Since we know that jesus spent some of his early years in Egypt ( early part of the gospel of matthew)and that the histroy, philosophy and rel of ancient Egypt was well known in the near east at the time of jesus, one could say, in line with your apple analogy, that christianity (apple) is actually the rel of Osiris (toilet) that has been washed and given to christians including JWs and they all have eaten it!

note that i am not against christianity in any way. I am only nullyfying fresky's arguement.

souldust: @fresky i am not ignorant of the scripture. It is you who couldnt read properly. If you go back, you would find that i said that jesus spent his EARLY years in egypt. And no! I did not misapply your apple analogy. The same merit you chose apple to rep easter and toilet to rep any unholy root, is the merit that qualifies my choosing apple to rep christianity and toilet to rep rel of Osiris.

If anything is wrong here, then it is your embarking on an already failed attempt to meander pass the obvious that is so challenging to the teachings induced into you by your elders.

Read through the bolded and ponder over it, what massage is it conveying? Are you not implying Jesus picked up some Egyptian philosophies while he was in Egypt "in his early years", cleaned them up and presented to us? I have proved to you scripturally that he was too young a child and had too brief a stay in Egypt to have studied and comprehend their philosophies.

If you truly knew Jesus was a young child when he was taken to and away from Egypt, why then did you put up the above? Your reasoning belies your claim that you were not ignorant of that.
Since you wouldn't eat the apple in my illustration, why then do you give unholy thing to a holy being?

vanstanzy: My friend claims he'll only become a Witness over his dead body.

vanstanzy: Exactly what we are trying to make him see, but he just won't listen (blinded by this ladys' charm. )

The above paradoxical makes your story appear cooked up. Nevertheless, what scriptural explanations has she given your guy for why the marriage may not be possible?

Ubenedictus: hey! Clap for urself u pass d question! Hehehe, d existing instruction is what i have already fulfilled so weytin happen?

I have gone through virtually all your comments and yet to see any with scriptural support, can you please give one to the bolded?

souldust: why dont you just give up already. Your logic doesnt add up.

What about the other post? Are you avoiding it becos it exposes the flaws in your position?

Have you noticed that in an attempt to intentionally misapply my illustration you have rather exposed your scriptural ignorance? Please be informed that Jesus was taken to Egypt when he was a young child, likely, less than two, and was taken away from there when he was still a young child......It is Easter and co that later came from pagan world, not the clear and undiluted teachings of Christ. He grew up and became a man outside Egypt. As a young child in Egypt, there is no way he could have copied their philosophies, returned to his hometown, edited and pasted it later when he grew up to adulthood.

Souldust, carefully read the following and justify your claim on page 1 about the root of Christianity.

"And when they were departed , behold , the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream , saying , Arise , and take the young child and his mother , and flee into Egypt , and be thou there until I bring thee word : for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him . When he arose , he took the young child and his mother by night , and departed into Egypt" - Matt. 2:13,14

"Then Herod , when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men , was exceeding wroth , and sent forth , and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem , and in all the coasts thereof , from two years old and under , according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men". Matt. 2:16

"But when Herod was dead , behold , an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt , Saying , Arise , and take the young child and his mother , and go into the land of Israel : for they are dead which sought the young child’s life . And he arose , and took the young child and his mother , and came into the land of Israel". Matt. 2:19-21.

souldust: @fresky going by your apple analogy, i would quote something for you from the book "An introduction to ancient Egyptian literature" by EA Wallis Budge. One of the most renouned Egyptologists.

"This rel (rel of osiris) promised to all who followed it, a life beyond the grave, after a resurection that was made certain to them through the sufferings, death and resurection of Osiris, who was the incarnation of the great God who created the heavens and the earth" you can find this on page 12 of the book.

I am sure anyone who knows christianity so well would see a striking similarity when reading through that extract i quoted. Note that this rel preceeds christianity thousands of years.

Since we know that jesus spent some of his early years in Egypt ( early part of the gospel of matthew)and that the histroy, philosophy and rel of ancient Egypt was well known in the near east at the time of jesus, one could say, in line with your apple analogy, that christianity (apple) is actually the rel of Osiris (toilet) that has been washed and given to christians including JWs and they all have eaten it!

note that i am not against christianity in any way. I am only nullyfying fresky's arguement.

The apple in my illustration represents your Easter, wherever YOU picked it from, is the pit of toilet. I am 100% sure you understood this already from my illustration.
You overlook the fact that any who want to undermine Christianity can publish anything unsubstantiated. If you claim Jesus fashioned his teachings and ministry after Egyptians' philosophies, I would like you and your beloved publisher to answer the following:

1. What substantial proof is there that the rel precedes the way God's people (Abraham and others) used to worship him by thousands of years?
2. When Jesus was taken to Egypt, was he old enough to assimilate the Egyptians way of worship, and later used that to lay the foundation for Christianity in his land?
3. Prophesies that were spoken about Jesus prior to his birth, did Jesus also learn in Egypt how to fulfill them later in his land?

Granted, some Egyptian/Babylonian doctrines (like Easter and co) later found their way into Christianity, but never had Jesus ever patterned his teachings after any of these. What you are subtly trying to allude to him, is in fact, what you guys started doing after the demise of the early apostles. Your Easter was picked somewhere, this you know.

souldust: i am sure you've been to countries where they purify water taken from the gutter. Do you drink that water when you are in such countries? So you can see that your logic doesnt hold here.

Recall that mention of the use of chemicals to disinfect the apple was not made in my illustration. You watch as i fetch the apple from the pit of toilet, you also watch as I clean it up, perhaps with a rag and ensure no dirt is seen visibly and present it to you in a pure diamond or golden plate; Would you eat it, YES or NO?

To my question, your inability to answer YES or NO publicly, even when you presumed I disinfected the apple, lies therein the truth about your Easter.....Many say: "it doesn't really matter where it came from". Are you saying the same thing?

Ubenedictus: i say show me where d bible say so! Very simple.

i also said microphone isn't scriptural neither is d bible and i still use both.

Not mentioned in scripture isn't equal against scripture.
I repeat paul said where there is no law there is no sin. Unless there is a law that says don't celebrate d resurrection then u have no point.

"David summoned the priests Zadok and Abiathar, along with the Levites Uriel, Asaiah, Joel, Shemaiah, Eliel, and Amminadab. He told them: “You are the leaders of the Levites’ families. You and your relatives must consecrate yourselves and bring the ark of the *Lord God of Israel up to the place I have prepared for it. The first time you did not carry it; that is why the Lord God attacked us, because we did not ask him about the proper way to carry it.” The priests and Levites consecrated themselves so they could bring up the ark of the Lord God of Israel. The descendants of Levi carried the ark of God on their shoulders with poles, just as Moses had ordered according to the divine command". -1Chr.15:11-15 NET.

In their first attempt, they did not follow the due process, or "due Order", according to KJV. The proper thing would have been as Moses had earlier commanded - to carry the ark on the shoulders of Kohathite Levites -Num.7:9. If King David had done that in his first attempt, what happened wouldn't have. This is one of the ways we are being taught today - By object lessons from stories of events recorded in the scripture. Instructions must not always come in the form of: "Thou shall not... " Though there was no law like: "Thou shall not carry the ark on the wagon", David's used of the wagon to transport the ark was outside of the already-existed instructions.

There is an existing instruction regarding how Christ should be commemorated, Jesus gave and demonstrated it, the disciples followed suit, Easter is outside of this and is unscriptural. Can you prove otherwise?

seyibrown: John 14:13 --- And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Example: Father, I ask for sextuplets, In Jesus name!

Ooh! I thought it should have been: Son, I ask for sextuplets, in father's name!

enilove: That was a payer sample.
It is the Holy Spirit that teaches someone how to pray an effective prayers.

John 14:26 "FOR THE COMFORTER ,WHICH IS THE HOLY GHOST,WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME,HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS,& BRING ALL THINGS ( WORD OF GOD) TO YOUR REMEMBERANCE,WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU".

Luke 12:12 "And the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye should say."

The prayer for someone looking for the fruit of the womb will defer from that of someone seeking Spiritual growth.

Sorry friend, you are somewhat off the point. The issue here is about whom we should pray to. I pray to the father through his son. What about you?

Ubenedictus: to be sincere i didnt bother to read your long post past d 1st paragraph.
Just show me d part where d bible says in d ark part David sinned. If u can show dat passage then we can discuss.

Hmmm, you did not read through my comment? Your request shows you did not also read the cited scriptures on my first post that you earlier commented on. To show you really want us to discuss, can you please boldly make your stand clear on this: Did David follow the instruction given on how the ark should be transported when he did so using the wagon? My stand on it is, NO! What about yours?

Moreover, it appears you have admitted Easter is not scriptural.

seyibrown: Let people pray to Jehovah whichever they feel like! Jesus complained to you yet? Go easy on the Phensic o!

"After this manner therefore pray ye : Our Father which art in heaven..." - Mtt. 6:9.......He taught us how and to whom we should pray.

souldust: @fresky when christians go to church on easter, they go to hear the word of God which is most time centered on the message of th resurection. In the end, they get a deeper understanding of the mystery of the resurection and their faith is lifted from glory to glory.

They also praise God for the making it possible that christ resurected, a resurection that guarantees that all those who sleep in christ will not die but live.

Tell me whats wrong with the above. Why dont you look critically and tell me with all honesty if there is any pegan thing practiced in the above that i have explained. HONESTY ISNT GOING TO KILL. That you are honest in this case doest mean you have broken your allegiance to the watch tower society and so i dont think your society should disfellowship you if thats what you are afraid of.

If you watch me fetching an apple fruit from the pit of toilet, clean it up and present same to you in a pure diamond or golden plate, would you eat it? If no, why?

Conversely, supposed you saw me picking the fruit directly from its tree, I am sure you won't reject it. If the source of what we eat matters to us, unholy beings, how much more so would it to God, a holy being.

italo: You are so eager to condemn that you do not even know that we are celebration RESURRECTION, not DEATH.

Anyway, the Bible would be pagan too, since non of the apostles carried it around and it only came into existence hundreds of years after Jesus and the apostles had died.

Guy, you make it appear as if we are saying everything is sinful and of pagan simply because you want to justify why you celebrate Easter.

Yesterday was 29th day of March, Today is 30th of March and Tomorrow will be 31st of March, tell us, which of the three was the resurrection date of Jesus? Don't be offended please, for I want to act in the spirit of 1Thess 5:21 & Acts 17:11 - to prove/examine and be sure this thing is so. Besides, our leader and head once said if my form of worship is not scripture-base, I shouldn't spend my time, energy and other resources on it, for all will be vain. - Matt 15:9.

Ubenedictus: that means using a microphone in the church is sinful too! According to your logic.
And take note uzzah died not for "overstepping" as you claim but by "disobeying". The law say don't touch, he touched. On the otherhand the bible says " where the is no law, there is no sin". You can't accuse someone of sin becos he is celebrating the ressurection of Christ unless you can show the law or principle and expressly say or imply "don't celebrate the ressurection of christ".

I mentioned two people - David and Uzzah. David overstepped the bound set for him regarding method of ark transport. Uzzah acted in "error", see 2sa. 6:7 - KJV. They both disobeyed, irrespective of the word we use. Disobedience is encompassing, i.e, is an all-embressing word. One can disobey by overstepping - by going beyond what is allowed.

Majorly, we learn through object lessons from bible stories, expressly stated laws and By bible principles. We can sin either by disobeying the laws or violating bible principles.
Using the microphone in worship is not a sin, but if a bible principle is violated regarding its use, it can be sinful.


See the following and tell if they are laws, if they are not, should we discard the message therein?
"But in vain they do worship me , teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" Matt. 15:9

"As I urged you when I was leaving for Macedonia, stay on in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to spread false teachings," 1Tim.1:3 NET

"If someone spreads false teachings and does not agree with sound words (that is, those of our Lord Jesus Christ)...he is conceited and understands nothing, but has an unhealthy interest in controversies and verbal disputes. 1Tim. 6:3 NET

"Prove all things ; hold fast that which is good" 1Thess. 5:21 - KJV. "But examine all things; hold fast to what is good". - NET.

"Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of the mind, examining the Scriptures daily, whether these things were so". Acts 17:11 WEB

Sincerely examine Easter, with its associated rites as 1Thess 5:21 & Acts 17:11 encourage us to, and see if it would have Christ's and Paul's approval if presented to them. Recall that they both said when they are off the earthly scene, there will be infiltration of filth into the clear teachings of Christ. It matters to God greatly what we teach, believe and do. Why did Jesus never command his disciples to celebrate his resurrection but death? Could it be he forgot it. Ok, since he forgot, why did his early disciples not remember it each time they commemorated his death? could it be they too forgot it. Oh I see, our generation of worshipers are wiser and more spirit-directed...lol.

Ubenedictus and italo, have you for once examined Easter celebration to ascertain its root? If you have done so and your findings prove Easter celebration is not pagan-related, but God-commanded, hold fast to it with undisturbed conscience. - 1Thess 5:21 & Acts 17:11

^^^
My bros how far? It's pretty long.

Jesus never said we should use his blood like tarpaulin to cover things with...........oh Lord cover so and so with the bloooood of Jesus! With the blooood of Jesus!! With the bloooood of Jesus!!!

Jesus never said when praying we should shout "holy gho.........st fire! Holy gho.........st fire!! Holy gho........st fire!!!

Jesus never said we should pray to him, but through him........oh father Jesus, oh father Jesus, thank you lord, thank you Je..........sus! Thank you Je.......sus!

Jesus never said we should command his father or say repetitive kind of prayer, as if God is hard of hearing ........God I command you! God I command you!! God I command you!!! in Jesus name we pray, amen! In Jesus name we pray, amen!! In Jesus name we pray, amen!!! In Jesus name we pray, amen!!!!

italo: Luke 24:41 "And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence."

John 20:20 "After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord."

That is the account of the first Easter.

What is wrong in it if we have chosen a day out of 365 to be OVERJOYED and AMAZED because we know that the Lord has risen and conquered death?

What could be the sin in that?

All these years you have been celebrating Easter, have you ever engaged in any pagan practice?

Everytime you are told about Easter, are you told about any pagan gods or you are told about The Almighty God who took human flesh in Jesus, died but rose on the third day?

Read 1cor. 11:23-26 and see how Paul and other first century christians celebrated Christ's death. Judge for yourself if they diluted what they received from their master.
There is no gain in trying to squeeze the scriptures (Luke 24:41-43 & John 20:20) to fit into paganic mould. The bible says the two have nothing in common. rabzy is quite right about Easter, it's of pagans.

What Christ commanded us to do in remembrance of him is simple and explicit. The early Christians followed his example. Are you saying Christ and his early disciples were ignorant of how best his death could have been celebrated?

italo: Here are questions I would like you to ask this "FRIEND" of yours.

1. This idea that if something is not explicitly stated in the Bible, it is a sin... Is it biblical? Is there anywhere the Bible says that anything that is not in the Bible is a sin?

2. Is there anywhere that the Bible mentions "BIBLE" or advises Christians to compile anything called Bible or even read it? If there is no verse that says so, then going my her manner of reasoning, the Bible is sinful and pagan.

Tell your "FRIEND" that another "FRIEND" said you should ask her these questions.

Italo, can you recall what happened when Uzzah and his brother Ahio led the wagon carrying the ark of the covenant from their house when David wanted it brought to Jerusalem?
When the bulls pulling the wagon nearly caused an upset, Uzzah reached out and grabbed hold to steady the Ark, for which God struck him dead on the spot.
At first, King David saw nothing wrong with the use of a more advanced technique then (the Wagon) to carry the Ark, rather than using the authorized means - for Kohathite Levites to carry it with the poles on their shoulders as God had directed. God's anger would not have been incurred if he had done the right thing. - Ex 25:13, 14; Nu 7:9. Remember, the bible did not specifically say: "thou shall not use the wagon" or "Uzzah should never prevent the Ark from falling".

Notwithstanding Uzzah's presumably good intentions to prevent the Ark from falling, he was judged as acting in "error." (2Sa 6:7) This was because deliberate disobedience was involved. God had instructed that under no circumstances was the Ark to be touched by unauthorized persons. (Nu 4:15, 19, 20)

What God wanted his worshipers to do concerning the death of his son was stated explicitly in the Bible. Jesus had even demonstrated this with his disciples a night before his death, and commanded as follows: "... this do in remembrance of me" - Luke 22:19.
When a clear-cut instruction is deliberately overstepped, it is a sin. When proper things that needs to be done are deliberately ignored, it is a sin. "So whoever knows what is good to do and does not do it is guilty of sin. - James 4:17 NET.

BashToks: Love your argument tho..
I am a Samsung enthusiast but I like to recognise that both devices are kings in their own respect.
What I would point out is the restriction Apple iTunes puts on it's users. Even if u jailbreak the device, you still dont get to explore the raw power it possesses and dats a bitch.
Buh I love the S3 tho I use a Note 2 (got scared when I saw some youtube drop tests of s3 and the iPhone 5 exterior scratching off easily by fingernails).
But mehn, money don go oo!!

I have been using iPhone5 for the past 6 months, and I'm yet to see a scratch on it. if one is keen about quality & fantastic apps, apple is strongly recommended.

Nevertheless, Galaxy 3 is also very good.

The date both of YOU first exchanged YOUR marital vows before God and man - it could be at the court, your place of worship in the day of wedding sermons or when meeting your parents traditionally.

YOU are at YOUR liberty to decide where and when YOU would exchange YOUR marital vows. YOUR certificate should bear that date.

There is nothing stead and fast about church wedding. If YOU had already exchanged YOUR vows publicly elsewhere, further exchange of such in the church is nothing but vain repetition. If one must repeat the vows, it's best to do so in past tense. YOUR presence there is purely for marital sermons on how YOU can involve God in YOUR marriage and make it successful.

i.chuka:
Where is He that is born King of the Jews?for we have seen His *STAR* In the east,and are come to worship Him..Matt2:2.
Whenever someone great is been born nature must acknowledge His/Her birth.

If the above is so, then children who are born in time of lightening and thunder have divine callings.

Those born when the earth quakes or the river overflows its basin have divine callings.

Those born when there is refraction of sun's rays in the sky by rain (rainbow) etc ete etc have divine calling.

Hmmmm, perhaps part of the reasons we have so many "men of god" in 9ja!

O.T.I.S:
Lord Enki a.k.a Lucifer(the angel of light)
The only figure who dares to challenge god's cruel dictatorship on humanity,
The only figure who really loves humanity and wanted the best for them,
The only figure who opposed god's opinion for humans to be slaves forever,
The only figure who wanted man to be like god and have the knowledge of the gods,
The only figure who suffered and compromise his rank in heaven for his love for humanity.
All hail Lord Enki, the maker of humanity, the master of Planet Earth!

What if Lucifer is not who & what you think he is?

highlandre: If you like yourself, don't apply for this rubbish. You'll never get the scores of the test unless u know a powerful person in NNPC and the so called Philips Consulting that will conduct the test.

There is no credibility in the process at all, trust me.

If u're discouraged, don't discourage others. There is no harm in trying. I have a couple of guys who knew no one, now they are there.

true2god: Thats the issue, i am not a catholic. I worship with the assemlies of God church. The issue most JW hav is dat anytime their falsehood is being laid bare u guys assume its a catholic. If the indidividual tells u hes not catholic u blame 'christendom' thats the issue.

I dnt worship mary or bow to saints neither do i use rosary for prayer. I worship (the father and the son) and pray to God through the son Jesus.

Hope u go through my post, u can pick the points i highlighted, one after the other, and refute them.

Is Jesus called mighty God in ur NWT or not (isaiah 9:6) ? Did the father call the son, God in Heb 1:8 (compare psalm 45:6-7) for not? Did God command ALL to worship the son (do u worship an entity dat has no divinity?)?

The issue an average JW is the person of christ and his divinity. That the reason why watchtower org wants to shift him to 'an angel' status. Ur NWT called Jesus christ mighty Jehova in isaiah 9:6, y did they suddenly try to muddle-up uncorrelated verses to make the mighty Jehovah 'arch angel Michael'? I expected u to smell rat here but u didnt.

The issue is not bein a trinitarian. Did the Bible in any place directly called mighty God? Yes. Did the bible in any place directly or indirectly called Jesus an angel? No.

If the bible in any place called Jesus an angel either directly or indirectly pls shw me and if u cant stop accusin the catholics and face the argument squarelly.

1. You worship the father. 2. You worship the son. 3. You pray to the father through the son.

Hmmmm, you direct your worship to two different persons? You pray to the father through the son, do you also pray to the son, if yes, through who, if no, why?

true2god: Barrister 'the genius', the bible is not confused about the person of christ but Jw do. Can u pls compare the person of christ in Isaiah 9:6?

Ok lemme help u in ur personally induced confusion as taught u by watchtower organization:
1) Jesus was 'prophetically' called mighty God, which means he might not truly be a mighty God in real sense (isaiah 9:6)
2)Jesus was also called an messanger, the bible cant and did not give a conflictin account on a person of christ( malachi 3:1). Remember the accounts or activities of angel gabriel heralding christ coming
3) Heb 1: 8, ALL angels ar ask to worship the son compare this to isaiah 9:6, John 1:1, psalm 45: 6-7).

My question to u in the above verse is dis, as a genius u r and i, olodo, accordin to u, was the son directly called God or not? Did the father ask ALL angels to worship the son or not? Are angels made to be worshipped? If God forbade the worship of angels either by man or angels, will God ask the angels to worship the Son? Is there anywhere in the bible an angel refused worship, cos an angel, no matter hw highly placed, is not meant to be worshipped?

My guy if u cant ansa this questions dat shows u r a clown, followin the watchtower's bi-monthly hand-outs without doing ur independent assessment? If u can ansa those question i can take u a bit serios.

1. Jesus was called a mighty God, according to Isaiah in his prophecy at Isaiah 9:6

2. The fact that Jesus is a mighty God does not negate the truth that he is also the messiah, the mediator, the only begotten son of God, the messenger or angel of God etc.
Recall that Moses was called "God", that did not take away his position as the mediator of the old covenant, the messenger of God, the leader of the people etc.

3. None of your scriptural quotations says Jesus should be worshiped, rather, Psalm 45:7 adds more weight to Malachi 3:1. it refers to Jesus as a "fellow" angel.

"Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king’s enemies; whereby the people fall under thee.
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows". Psalm 45:5-7 - KJV

If I say: your fellow student or your fellow worker, it implies you are a student or worker respectively.

frosbel: Jesus was never referred to as an angel, this is your personal interpretation.

Guy, I don't understand you again...oo. Do you mean BARRISTERS was the translator of DARBY, BBE (Bible in Basic English), Douay-Rheims Bible, Amplified Bible etc that all refer to Jesus as angel at Malachi 3:1?

true2god: So there is nowhere Jesus was referref to, or regarded, as an angel. But to avoid muddlung things up, we can take ur verse, where watchtower claimed Jesus as an angel , an analyse it one after the other.

Hold while i take up the verses u guys had qouted and do my independent analysis devoid of organizational\official interpretation\misinterpretation.

Wrong!!!!!!!!!!


MALACHI 3:1

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - DARBY

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts". - BBE - Bible in Basic English (modern english)

"BEHOLD, I send My messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. And the Lord the Messiah, Whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; the Messenger or Angel of the covenant, Whom you desire, behold, He shall come, says the Lord of hosts". - Amplified Bible.

None of the above quotations is taken from the NWT. They are not quotations from the Watchtowe r.

The italic word, "messenger" refers to John the Baptizer, the forerunner of Jesus Christ.

The bolded word, "angel" refers to Jesus Christ, he is the angel of the covenant or testament.

If you accept the fact that the italic word refers to John the Baptizer, what scriptural reason would you give for not accepting the fact that the bolded refers to Jesus Christ?

No messenger or angel is greater - in terms of age, power and authority than Jesus Christ, hence the title: "an Archangel" - the chief or foremost among the angels, the chief among the message carriers and deliverers.

All angels, including Jesus, are sons of God. All humans are also sons of God, but Jesus alone is the only begotten son - was created directly by his father, then God used him to create others.

Prophetically, Isaiah called Jesus, "mighty God". This title does not take away Jesus' role as God's chief messenger. Moses was called "God", but that never took away or contravened his role as a messenger of God.

ijawkid: Now I will ask these questions one more time......


1....What are heavenly messengers of GOD called??

2....was Jesus ever a messenger of GOD??YES or NO

1. ...The Hebrew and Greek words for angel in ancient times meant messenger, therefore, the heavenly messengers of God are called 'Angels'.

2....YES,, Jesus was/is the messenger of God. In fact, there has never been any heavenly messenger greater than Jesus - he is the chief among the messengers.

Bros, I salute una...o!