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Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaning Of "Day" by Freksy(m): 5:54pm On Jul 01, 2013*

OLAADEGBU: And finally, The Almighty God when He commanded Moses to say to the children of Israel in Exodus 31:12:

"Six days may work be done, but on the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Therefore the sons of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for an everlasting covenant. It is a sign between me and the sons of Israel forever. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed" (Exodus 31:15–17).

In the Scriptural record the account of each of the six creative days concludes with the statement: "And there came to be evening and there came to be morning" a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth day. (Ge 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31)

The seventh day, however, does not have this ending, indicating that this period, during which God has been resting from his creative works toward the earth, continued on. At Hebrews 4:1-10 the apostle Paul indicated that God's rest day was still continuing in his generation, and that was more than 4,000 years after that seventh-day rest period began. This makes it evident that each creative day, or work period, was at least thousands of years in length.

As A Religious Encyclopaedia (Vol. I, p. 613) observes: "The days of creation were creative days, stages in the process, but not days of twenty-four hours each."—Edited by P. Schaff, 1894.

The week assigned for observance by the Jews under the Law covenant given them by God was a miniature copy of that creative week.

Because God is infinite in power and wisdom, there’s no doubt He could have created the universe and its contents in no time at all, or six seconds, or six minutes, or six hours, after all, "with God nothing shall be impossible" (Luke 1:37).

However, the question to ask is, "Why did God take so long? Why as long as six days?" The answer is also given in Exodus 20:11, and that answer is the basis of the Fourth Commandment: "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

Who told you it took God "so long" to create and prepare the earth for us?

The mayflies, aquatic insects have life expectancy ranging from just a half an hour to one day, depending on their species. If it took you just one year (about 366 days) to build a mansion or a housing estate to completion; to man, that's a pretty short period of time, but to a mayfly, it's an "eternity". What an hour is to you may mean 80 years to a mayfly. See Psm 90:10

God is eternal being. To a mortal man with short and limited life span, 1,000 or 1000,000 years may seem too long a time for a project, but to God, eternal being, it's nothing. It's ridiculous whenever we impliedly criticize God's use of time in creation, like ... "why did God take so long?" Ignorance of the above fact regarding God with time can lead to premature expectations and complaints that God is delaying regarding fulfilment of his promises - 2pet 3:8-9

The seven-day week has no basis outside of Scripture. In this Old Testament passage, God commands His people, Israel, to work for six days and rest for one, thus giving us a reason why He deliberately took as long as six days to create everything. He set the example for man. Our week is patterned after this principle.

As you have pointed to a 7th day sabbath as substance to your claim of a 24-hour creative "day", so would one who believes a year = one creative "day" point to a 7th year sabbath as substance to his claim. Read Le. 25:1-7

The sabbatical system was composed of many types of sabbaths: the 7th day, the 7th year, the 50th year (Jubilee year) etc.

That children cars are patterned after those of adults does not mean they would be, or are the same in size. Our "solar week" is a toy when compared to God's creative week of Genesis account.
Like I said earlier, the week assigned for observance by the Jews under the Law covenant given them by God was a miniature copy of that creative week.

Now if He created everything in six thousand (or six million) years, followed by a rest of one thousand or one million years, then we would have a very interesting week indeed. These are some of the reasons why Christians should build their thinking on the Bible instead on the assumptions of fallible sinners's ideologies. - AiG

You make it appear that God literally went to sleep or inactivity when He rested from His creative work. Jesus is a perfect reflection of his father, when on earth, how was he like on sabbath days - resting and inactive? Read John 15:16-17; Isaiah 40:28. There may be more to the meaning of God resting from His creative work than what you think it is.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaning Of "Day" by Freksy(m): 5:21pm On Jul 01, 2013

OLAADEGBU: Let us use the Bible to consider the "Days" of Genesis 1. What does the Bible tell us about the meaning of "day" in Genesis 1? A word can have more than one meaning, depending on the context. For instance, the English word "day" can have perhaps 14 different meanings.

In Genesis 1, the first occurrence of "day" means "time" in a general sense. The second "day," where a number is used, refers to an ordinary day, and the third refers to the daylight portion of the 24-hour period. The point is that words can have more than one meaning, depending on the context.

To understand the meaning of "day" in Genesis 1, we need to determine how the Hebrew word for "day", yom, is used in the context of Scripture. Consider the following:

1. A typical concordance will illustrate that yom can have a range of meanings: a period of light as contrasted to night, a 24-hour period, time, a specific point of time, or a year.

2. A classic, well-respected Hebrew-English lexicon (a dictionary) has seven headings and many subheadings for the meaning of yom—but it defines the creation days of Genesis 1 as ordinary days under the heading "day as defined by evening and morning."

A number and the phrase "evening and morning" are used with each of the six days of creation (Gen. 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31).

3. Outside Genesis 1, yom is used with a number 359 times, and each time it means an ordinary day. Why would Genesis 1 be the exception?

4. Outside Genesis 1, yom is used with the word "evening" or "morning" 23 times. "Evening" and "morning" appear in association, but without yom, 38 times. All 61 times the text refers to an ordinary day. Why would Genesis 1 be the exception?

5. In Genesis 1:5, yom occurs in context with the word "night." Outside of Genesis 1, "night" is used with yom 53 times, and each time it means an ordinary day. Why would Genesis 1 be the exception? Even the usage of the word "light" with yom in this passage determines the meaning as ordinary day.

6. The plural of yom, which does not appear in Genesis 1, can be used to communicate a longer time period, such as "in those days." Adding a number here would be nonsensical. Clearly, in Exodus 20:11, where a number is used with "days," it unambiguously refers to six earth-rotation days.

7. There are words in biblical Hebrew (such as olam or qedem) that are very suitable for communicating long periods of time, or indefinite time, but none of these words are used in Genesis 1. Alternatively, the days or years could have been compared with grains of sand if long periods were meant.

The 19th century liberal Professor Marcus Dods, New College, Edinburgh, said:

"If, for example, the word "day" in these chapters does not mean a period of twenty-four hours, the interpretation of Scripture is hopeless."

If we are prepared to let the words of the language speak to us in accord with the context and normal definitions, without being influenced by outside ideas, then the word for "day" found in Genesis 1, which is qualified by a number, the phrase "evening and morning" and for Day 1 the words "light and darkness" obviously means an ordinary day (about 24 hours).

This is the position of John Calvin on the age of the earth:

"Albeit the duration of the world, now declining to its ultimate end, has not yet attained six thousand years. , God’s work was completed not in a moment but in six days."

Luther also had similar convictions and both were the backbone of the Protestant Reformation that called the church back to Scripture; Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone). Both of these men were adamant that Genesis 1 taught six ordinary days of creation, only thousands of years ago.

The evening and morning' in Genesis chapter 1 does not limit the meaning to a literal 24 hours.

Morning = the early part of the day; the earliest period

Evening = the latter part of the day; a latter concluding time period.

If one creative day = 100,000 years; the morning would be the early years of 100,000 years, while the evening would be the latter concluding years of the same 100,000 years.

Man's situation does not compare with that of the Creator, who does not reside within our solar system and who is not affected by its various cycles and orbits. For man, a 1,000-year period represents some 365,242 individual time units of day and night, but to the Creator it can be just one unbroken time period in which he begins the carrying out of some purposeful activity and brings it on to its successful conclusion, much as a man begins a task in the morning and concludes it by the day's end.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaning Of "Day" by Freksy(m): 5:09pm On Jul 01, 2013

OLAADEGBU: The NT reveals who was concealed in the OT who created the heavens and the earth:

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him"(Col.1:15,16).

The Word of God was the One who created all things and brought life into being, He became flesh in the Person of Jesus of Nazareth. Read (John 1:3,4,14)

Read this article as it might touch on your question of the source of light in the first instance.

Sunlight Before the Sun

According to Scripture, God "created the heaven and the earth" on Day One of Creation Week (Genesis 1:1). Initially all was dark, until God said, "Let there be light" (v. 3). Days Two and Three saw the oceans, firmament (or atmosphere), continents, and plants formed, as the earth was being progressively prepared for man's habitation. It was on Day Four that God created the sun, moon, and stars, proclaiming, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven" (v. 14), one purpose of which was "to give light upon the earth" (v. 15).

This light was directional, coming from a particular source. The earth was evidently rotating underneath it, causing alternating periods of light and dark. "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night" (v. 5).

Skeptics have long ridiculed the science of biblical creation over this point. How could there be light bathing the earth before the sun was created? Obviously the Bible must be in error. But as always, this apparent error drives us to look more closely at the relevant data, both scientific and biblical.

Actually there are many sources of light, not just the sun. There are also many types of light, not just visible light. Short-wave light includes ultraviolet light, X-rays, and others. Long-wave light includes infrared light, radio waves, etc. Light is produced by friction, by fire, by numerous chemical reactions, as well as the nuclear reactions of atomic fission and fusion, which is what we think is occurring in the sun. God had at His fingertips many options to accomplish His purposes. Light does not automatically require the sun.

Furthermore, we have important data given by the Hebrew words used in the creation account. When God created "light" in verse 3, the word used connotes the presence of light only, while the word used for "lights" on Day Four is best translated "light bearers," or permanent light sources. Their purpose was not only to give light, but to serve as timekeepers for man once he was created. According to the best stellar creation theory now available, light from stars created anywhere in the universe on Day Four would reach earth in two earth days, and would be useful to Adam on Day Six. (For more information, see Dr. Russell Humphrey's cosmology articles on www.icr.org.)

Keep in mind that the Creation Week was a uniquely miraculous time, and we are justified in speculating that miraculous events may have been taking place outside of today's natural laws. Especially when we realize that "God is light" (1 John 1:5) Himself, thus no outside natural source is necessarily mandated.

For semi-creationists who claim that the "days" of Genesis 1 must have been long periods of time, a more serious problem arises. Genesis plainly teaches that plants appeared on Day Three, and the sun on Day Four. But plants need sunlight for photosynthesis and cannot wait in darkness for millions of years. If the days were long epochs, as demanded by critics of a literal Creation Week, plants could not survive.

How much better and more satisfying it is to accept Scripture as it stands. It doesn't need to be fully understood and explained by modern scientific thought; it just needs to be believed and obeyed.

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The Bible's opening words: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth", refer to the creation of our solar system, including our planet, as well as that of the stars in the billions of galaxies that make up our universe.

Apart from living things, nothing else was materially created that never existed. The waters that were later gathered together to form the seas, and the crust that was later made to appear as dry land existed before creative day 3. They made up the earth of Gen 1:1. Also, the sun, moon and stars existed in the outer space long before creative day 4. They made up the heaven of Gen 1:1. As the dry land was made to appear on creative day 3, so the sun, moon and stars were made to appear or be seen by man from the earth, had he been there on creative day 4.

I agree with your explanation regarding light as was used in day one - light in general sense; and that used in creative day four - light sources - like the moon, sun and stars.

As something covered the land from visibility - water. Something also covered the sun, moon and stars from visibilty - thick and dark clouds.

During an early creative period, God caused the sun's light to penetrate the dark clouds that enveloped the ocean like a "swaddling band" around a baby. - See Job 38:4, 9; Genesis 1:3-5.
Apparently, the light came in a gradual process, extending over a long period of time, not instantaneously as when you turn on an electric light bulb. The Genesis rendering by translator J. W. Watts reflects this when it says: "And gradually light came into existence." This light was from the sun, but the sun itself could not be seen through the overcast. Hence, the light that reached the earth was "light diffused," as indicated by a comment about verse 3 in Rotherham's Emphasised Bible.

By the close of the third creative period, land plants had been created. The diffused light from the sun would have become quite strong by then, ample for the process of photosynthesis so vital to green plants.
Remember, plants did not have to 'see' the sun with their 'eyes' before they could survive for years, all they needed was just light energy from the sun, and this they got through diffusion....Lol, I am talking as if they have eyes like us.
Incidentally, the account does not mention every "kind" of plant that came on the scene. Microscopic organisms, water plants and others are not specifically named, but likely were created on this " third day."

In creative day four, "God spoke: “Lights! Come out! Shine in Heaven’s sky! Separate Day from Night. Mark seasons and days and years, - Genesis 1:14 (MSG)
"Then God commanded, “Let lights appear in the sky to separate day from night and to show the time when days, years, and religious festivals begin", - Genesis 1:14 (GNT)
Previously, on the first day the Hebrew word used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in a general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to ma·'ohr', which means the source of the light.

On the first "day" diffused light evidently penetrated the "swaddling bands", but the sources of that light could not have been seen by an earthly observer, had man been there, because of the cloud layers still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things apparently changed.

An atmosphere initially rich in carbon dioxide may have caused an earth-wide hot climate. But the lush growth of vegetation during the third and fourth creative periods would absorb some of this heat-retaining blanket of carbon dioxide. The vegetation, in turn, would release oxygen—a requirement for animal life.

Now, had there been an earthly observer, he would be able to discern the sun, moon and stars, which would "serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years." Gen. 1:14 The moon would indicate the passing of lunar months, and the sun the passing of solar years.

The command for the light sources to come out or appear on creative day 4, was neither announcement of their first nor second birth, for they had existed prior to this creative day 4. They were the bodies that made up the heaven mention at Gen1:1. They were only made to be seen from the earth, and thus serve as signs for... There was announcement of addad functions, and reiteration of the former.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Meaning Of "Day" by Freksy(m): 8:06am On Jun 27, 2013

OLAADEGBU: The Meaning of "Day"
June 23, 2013

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Genesis 1:5).

Many people today, professing to believe the Bible, have compromised with the evolutionary philosophy which dominates our society by accepting its framework of geological ages. This system interpretes the rocks and fossils in terms of a supposed 4.6 billion-year history of the earth and life culminating in the evolution of early humans perhaps a million years ago. In order to justify this compromise, they usually say that the "days" of creation really correspond to the geological ages, arguing that the Hebrew word for "day" (yom) does not have to mean a literal solar day.

Genesis 1:3-31 is not discussing the original creation of matter or of the heavenly bodies. It describes the preparation of the already existing earth for human habitation.

The first part of Genesis indicates that the earth could have existed for years before the first Genesis "day," though it does not say for how long. However, it does describe what earth's condition was just before that first "day" began:

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" —Gen 1:2

Nobody knows for how long the earth had being in that condition before the first creative day.

Oh, yes, it does—at least in Genesis chapter one! God, knowing that the pagan philosophers of antiquity would soon try to distort His record of creation into long ages of pantheistic evolution (as in the Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, and other such ancient cosmogonies), was careful to define His terms! "God called the light Day," and that was the first day with its evening and morning. All subsequent days have followed the same pattern—a period of darkness (night), then a period of light (day).

In Gen 1:4&5 God is said to divide day into a smaller period of time, calling just the light portion "day".
"And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day , and the darkness he called Night . And the evening and the morning were the first day" Gen 1:4,5

In Gen.2:4 all the creative periods are refered to as one "day":
"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day (all the creative periods) that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens," - Gen 2:4
Does the word "day" as used in Gen 1:4; Gen 1:5 and Gen 2:4 convey the same meaning and length of time?

One may quibble about the exact length of the day if he insists (e.g., equatorial days versus polar days), but there is no way this definition can accommodate a geological age. This is the very first reference to "day" (or yom) in the Bible, and this is given as an actual statement of the meaning of the word.

This ought to settle the question for anyone who really believes the Bible. One may decide to believe the evolutionary geologists if he wishes, instead of God, but he should at least let God speak for Himself. God says the days of creation were literal days, not ages. "In six days the LORD made heaven and earth" (Exodus 31:17). HMM

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Here you are the one speaking for God. He never said the bolded. The Hebrew word yohm, translated "day," can mean different lengths of time.

A part (just the light portion) of the first creative day was also refered to as "day". Gen 1:5

All the creative days were also refered to as one "day". Gen 2:4

"Day" as used in the Bible can also include summer and winter, the passing of seasons..... (involves many days) Zechariah 14:8

"The day of harvest" involves many days. Compare Prov 25:13 YLT and Gen 30:14.

A thousand years are likened to a day. Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8, 10

"Judgment Day" covers many years. Matt 10:15; Rev 20:4,11 -13

Therefore, it would seem reasonable that the "days" of Genesis could likewise have embraced long periods of time — millenniums.

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Christianity Etc › Re: An Evil Spirit From The Lord by Freksy(m): 4:51pm On Jun 26, 2013

Sal C: I will be back to discuss with you, but I must say I like you line of discussion. But then what do you think is the answer to my second question,"what would be required to cast out this spirit? Prayer or obedience to God".

You have said it all!

Obedience - listen to God and act on what he says. If we stay away from things that are associated with evil, with time the evil spirit will flee.

Prayer - Humbly and regularly talking to God about our problems, and specifically requesting for his Spirit.

And what is more, we should do our utmost to always occupy our mind with things that are holy. It terrorizes the evil spirit in us and have it packed to a conducive environment. Matt 12:43.

Politics › Re: 11 Boko-Haram Leaders Captured In Borno by Freksy(m): 2:23pm On Jun 26, 2013

davidflo: and what differentiates you from idowu? mr akpan if the north has been disqualified, with ur grammar what are u actually qualified for?

David, your grammar is not perfect either.

Sports › Re: Nigeria Announce Strong Squad For CHAN Qualifiers. by Freksy(m): 2:07pm On Jun 26, 2013

finebadtboy: I'm still laughing at people's comments here and I'm not surprised. You use your MB to browse nairaland, update your Facebook profile and chat on whatsapp. imagine someone asking what is chan, or why only home based players I no fit laugh abeg. Ignorance bad sha after una go dey abuse GEJ for being clueless.

Do you think everyone idolizes footfall; or what interest you, interest all? Many who do not know what "CHAN" is may be better and more knowledgeable than you are generally.

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Christianity Etc › Re: An Evil Spirit From The Lord by Freksy(m): 9:00am On Jun 26, 2013

Sal C: 1 Sam 18v10
And it came to pass on the morrow,that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand as at other times, and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.

This verse got me thinking,how come an evil from God possessed someone?
Pls can someone shed more light on this.

In 1 Samuel 16:14 we are informed that "the spirit of God departed from Saul, and an evil or a bad spirit from God troubled him." In this we can see an application of the principle indicated by Jesus at Matthew 12:43-45, namely, that if the mind and life are not filled with God's spirit, then they are open to invasion of demon spirits. It is not that God actually sent an evil spirit to trouble Saul, but by removing his holy spirit from the disobedient king a vacancy was left, a vacancy that was promptly filled by a bad spirit or mental inclination. Since God made the evilly inclined possession possible by the removal of his holy spirit, God is referred to as the source of the evil spirit. 1Sam 16:14; 18:10

Sports › Re: Spain Vs Uruguay - Confederations Cup (2 - 1) On 16th June 2013 by Freksy(m): 12:20am On Jun 17, 2013

mukina2: iniesta is GOOD!

Not only him, the entire sperm team is good

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Sports › Re: Spain Vs Uruguay - Confederations Cup (2 - 1) On 16th June 2013 by Freksy(m): 11:18pm On Jun 16, 2013

Spain has scored

Sports › Re: Spain Vs Uruguay - Confederations Cup (2 - 1) On 16th June 2013 by Freksy(m): 11:00pm On Jun 16, 2013

The long awaited match has started

Phones › Re: iPhone 6 Leaked Photo? by Freksy(m): 10:42pm On Jun 15, 2013

Ifykns: Android all d way. i love their apps.

You're just kidding.

Celebrities › Re: Tonto Dikeh In Traditional Attire by Freksy(m): 9:30pm On Jun 13, 2013

Is she a NL goddess? Today, Tonto this, tomorrow, Tonto that.

Politics › Re: June 12 20TH Anniversary: Drop Your Thoughts by Freksy(m): 1:14pm On Jun 12, 2013

It's a cry over spilled milk and vain exhumation of the past.

Health › Re: 10 Signs to know that Death Is Near by Freksy(m): 3:13am On Jun 12, 2013

@op, nice one! Don't mind these guys that want to go to heaven but are afraid of death. There are two things - life and death - everything else are in between. What we do in between these two, is what matters most, not how long we live. The sad truth is, science has no answer to death, and never will.

Celebrities › Re: A Nairalander With Tonto Dikeh & Friends At Iyanya's Show by Freksy(m): 6:31pm On Jun 10, 2013

It appears Tonto Dikeh is NL goddess.

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Beware!

Sports › Re: Kenya Vs Nigeria - W-C Qualifier - (0 - 1) On 5th June 2013 by Freksy(m): 2:56pm On Jun 05, 2013

obi4eze: See Keshi

I can't see Keshi, all I see are YOUR comments.

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 5:37pm On May 03, 2013

^^^ Accepted bros.

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 6:04pm On May 02, 2013*

mazaje: The other translations have shown that the good new translation is an outlier. . .Other translation are talking about heaven(God's abode) and his dominion over the earth. . I gave you 4 english translations and the good news bible translation is completely off. . .We see explosions doing everything that you are saying. . .We have picture evidence, we are yet to see how words of hebrew bring anything into life. . .

Me?. . .When?. . .LOL! .

Then why have you not been able to point to at least, one explosion that has created, organized, and set well defined laws that govern activities of things here? Example,like the explosions in the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.

Your arguments are just neither here no there. . .

Anybody that follows my argument will know what I have been asking you to prove since.

I said we have picture evidence of new stars emerging after a super nova explosion. . .What are you on about?. . .

Emerging of new star(s) after a cosmic chance explosion is not a proof that a mere chance explosion created things, organised them, set well defined laws that govern their activities, defined their relative positions etc, and they keep obeying these by chance for billions of years. Sincerely speaking, does that make any sense to you? Please point to something else.

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 4:53pm On May 02, 2013*

mazaje: You are foolish and can not read well. . .I was asking him a question. .Didn't you see the question mark?. . .

He said our solar system didnt come as a result of an explosion and i pointed to him that yet there are debris all over our solar system that are a result of explosion which he also agreed to. . .I was asking him to explain how the debris which he agreed are the left over material of an explosion remain a part of our solar system. he said the debris are a result of an explosion but insit that our solr system isnt a result of an explosion so i was asking him how its possible. .I concluded by asking him what he is saying. My position as been the same though out the thread. . .Learn to read before ejaculating and attacking straw men. . .

Mazaje, I am sory for that misunderstanding, and your explanation is noted. I can see it has made you to momentarily lose control of your emotion by calling me a fool.

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 12:58am On May 02, 2013

mazaje1: What are you saying?. . .The cluster up to form new planets. . .There are many dwarf planets in our solar system that came about as a result of their collision. . . Our solar systen isn't a resuit of an explosion but there are debris that are as a result of an explosion all over our solar system?.. .What are you saying?. . .I asked you how the asteroid and comets that are just moving aimlessly all over our sloar system came about?. . .

^^^ Response to ijawkid by mazaje 1

mazaje: We haven';t agreed on any point, I still maintain that our solar system is a result of an explosion , the left over materials from the explosion as still there all over the solar system. . .So your god wants to use asteroids to end the world, eh?. . .What wickedness was in the world when the asteroids, hit and killed off all the dinosours?. . .

^^^ Response to ijawkid by mazaje

mazaje1: do super nova explaosions give birth to new stars and also solar systems later?. . The answer is yes, we have piture evidence of that, so what exactly are you on about?. . .

^^^ Response to Freksy by mazaje 1

Observation: There are two mazajes -------> mazaje and mazaje 1

Mazaje believes our solar system was created by explosion, while mazaje 1 believes our solar system was not created by explosion.

Conclusion: mazaje(1) has two accounts, and has either employed someone, but without proper synchronization of thoughts; or, he's alone with the two accounts, but has entangled himself in a web of confusion. Done!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 11:58pm On May 01, 2013

mazaje1: Intelligent designer?. . .Why not designers?. . . .The human body isn't intelligently designed because it has a lot of errors and faults. . .If human beings are to design a human they will do a better job. . .

What prevents your "intelligent" leaders from creating one and prove God incapable and unintelligent? What better proof would they have than that? If they don't know how to start from the scratch, present your body to be crushed to paste and made anew.

Our eyes for example are made so poorly that images are formed at the back of the retina as a result billions of us are born with some form of natural eye defect(long or shortsightedness) because of such poor design, an intelligent designer will not design the human eyes so poorly that images will be formed at the back of the retina. . .

Look for a medical scientist to design, construct and replace them for you; I will foot the bill.

Our backs are poorly formed in such a way that most of us will have natural back pains because of the way or spinal disc are formed. . .If humans are to design the body they will do a much better job. . .

Why most and not all of us? Are you thinking humans wouldn't like to design our body? What prevents them? Perhaps they don't have "chance". Lol...

Take a look at the universe, colliding asteroids, exploding stars. . .Even the universe is out to kill us as it stands, the sun supports life but it also destroys life, over time it will destroy all life on the planet. . .We can not live in space. . .Even the planet is just trying to kill us all the time. . .natural disasters all the time, an asteriod can hit the earth and all life will end. . .One came a lil close to the earth sometime last year. . .

The planet earth is your home. Science is your tool; use it with ingenuity that was created in you to maintain, not to destroy the earth. Stop bleming the sun!

The universe doesn't look intelligently designed too many flaws and errors every where. . .We don't design our houses and cars to self explode by themselves. . .

I thought our cars evolved and set traffic laws for themselves. Why do we chose to design cars, and not better humans. Which is more important, better cars or better human society?

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 10:52pm On May 01, 2013

mazaje: I repeat you are a fraud. . .You keep going to look for fringe interpretation of the bible to support your fruadulent claims. . .In other english traslations of the bible the verse in job 38:33 reads entirely differently, it talks about something else. . . Lets have a look at what other english translation says. . .Hope you know that some the various english transalations of the bible are fruadulent and change the meaning of what was written.

Job 38:33 Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's dominion over the earth? NIV

Job 38:33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth? NKJV

Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? KJV

Job 38:33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish God's rule on the earth? YLT

From these versions we can see that the good news version is an outlier an as such a fruadulent translation. . .I think the verse is talking about the writer asking people if they people know the laws of heaven and asking them if they can set god's dominion over the earth or something close to that. . .

Isn't it ridiculous that you have resorted to attacking bible's translation on a thing you are not sure of? Ok, as you claim the Good News Translation of Job 38:33 is "fraudulent", have you not logically slaughtered your excuses on gravity? So, go a head now and point to us how chance explosion can create things, organise them, and set well defined laws etc. Ensure you don't resurrect any of those excuses you have logically slaughtered and buried.

What has that got to do with the genesis creation account that has no scientific backing?. . .Did the genesis creation accout tell you about the conditions of the atmosphere before man was created?. . .Did it tell you about the creation and exostence of micro organisms?. . .

There's no point deviating, I was just trying to help you think like Miller and his men, since you claimed the present condition won't let one succeed.

I don't really underatnd all these your talk that is neither here no there,

The usual excuse. Now it has come to the point where you no longer understand what i was asking you to present.

do super nova explaosions give birth to new stars and also solar systems later?. . The answer is yes, we have piture evidence of that, so what exactly are you on about?. . .

Clap for yourself!

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 12:45pm On May 01, 2013

mazaje1: I can not float here on earth but i will do same out there in space. . .I can build a house here on earth but can't do the same in space. . .They are two very different environments. . .I can spray grays of sand here on earth on a table but if i try it in space they will come together to form a ball. . .Very different environment. . .

The earth and space, the vast part of the universe are very different. . .If explosions destroy things here explosions can act very differently there. . .

"Do you know the laws that govern the skies, and can you make them apply to the earth?" - Job 38:33 (Good News Bible)

Lol, don't mind the above writer, he was just an "illiterate," in fact, an "ape-man". I have a suggestion for you.

In 1953, Stanley Miller and his co-workers set up experimental flask to create the same condition they assumed existed in earth's primitive atmosphere and carried out their experiment. The aim was to produce the chemical compounds - amino acids needed for life to exist. They set up an "atmosphere" of hydrogen, methane, ammonia and water vapor. It was done under reducing (no free oxygen in the atmosphere) conditions. Meaning, man wouldn't even survive in that environment/condition then.

How about setting up a-space-like environment/condition here and try the explosion? This will also disprove the above "illiterate's/ape-man's writing", if successful.

Who said we are not in the universe?. . . . . .We have picture evidence of solar systems coming about after super nova explosions. . .
To see that explosions give birth to solar systems. . . .Something you denied, no?. . .

In your previous comment you implied we are not in the universe. Your first comment on this post implies your success will be hampered by earth's gravitational pull. This can imply that other planatery bodies in space do not have gravity. Gravity represents the mutual attraction between two objects, and the strength of that pull depends on both mass and the distance between the objects. Greater mass leads to a greater gravitational pull. Even asteroids and other smaller space rocks exert weak gravitational pull.

Jupiter, the largest planet in our solar system, has also flexed its gravitational muscle across vast distances of space by pulling in space rocks and other debris which might otherwise threaten the earth. Your excuses are not strong. You are not sounding like what most of you claim to be. I need a demonstrated evidence that proves "a single blast of undirected/chance cosmic explosion" created things, organised them, set well defined laws that govern their activities, defined their relative positions etc, and they keep obeying these by chance for billions of years.

To see that explosions give birth to solar systems. . . .Something you denied, no?. . .

I don't appreciate this repeated pretense. Do those explosions give birth and begin to set new laws/conditions that never existed? When you were given birth to did any of your parents create for you life's laws/conditions that would govern your survival/existence that never existed? Please read the bolded again and respond accordingly.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 11:43am On May 01, 2013

mazaje1: Firstly non of the said order is written in the bible . . .The bible is clear, it mentions things like firmament separating the waters above and the waters below instead of the firmament your writers replaces it with abundance of oxygen in the atmosphere. . .How dishonest can one be. . .The genesis creation account does not mention anything like the earth core, dust and gases. . .Your writer did, where the bible says stars, moon and sun were created, he said they were seen. . .Some thing the bible never mentioned. . .The guy is just dishonest and remains a liar. . .

Don't forget that it's my last post on page 5 you keep trying unsuccessfully to disprove. As often as you do, so you display a great deal of incapability in different styles. Are you thinking the post has been deleted? So long!

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 10:48am On Apr 30, 2013

mazaje1: The conditions on earth is VERY different from out there in space, the universe is not a human society or the earth and as such has no reason to behave like the earth,

Up to now you don't know you are in the universe, even after being corrected by ijawkid? Whatever thing you are doing on earth, is done in the universe. You can't run away from those questions, so re-visit them.

you can not even survive a second in space, but you survive here on earth, so i don't even know what you are talking about. . . .

Who ask you about survival in the space? Stop claiming ignorance of my questions. I know it's a common ploy by some of you.

Supa novas do happen and they give birth to new stars, which then give birth to new solar systems, our own solar system came about as a result of a super nova explosion . ..

Yes, keep going; a single blast of undirected explosion created things, organised them, set well defined laws that govern their activities, defined their relative positions etc, and they keep obeying these by chance for billions of years. 'I hear you'! Please kindly go back and answer those questions, for you are merely repeating what made me to ask them. Don't try to shy away by claiming again we are not in the universe, that will be another blatant lie.

there are picture evidence available taken but observatory like the hubble space telescope for all to see. . .You can keep shouting that scintific evidence provides backing for the biblical declaration but it doesn't make it so. . .

For all to see what? Intelligence/wisdom in the creator, "a chance cosmic explosion"?

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 10:38am On Apr 30, 2013

mazaje1: The truth is what they wrote down is not what you copied from the christian apologetic website, by the way, what you posated is NOT you own making or writing, you copied it from the cosmic finger website a website I am already familiar with. . .

truthislight: I dont know where you get your information from(maybe you have to verify the more).

When i read the bible, the first thing i see is this :

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1).
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Freksy: I like that question up there. In his post i think he mentioned "Christian apologists" ... Lol.

The more many try to disprove Genesis 1:1, the more they prove that the heaven and the earth can't be the products of one undirected/unguided explosion, but were carefully designed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 10:18am On Apr 30, 2013

mazaje1: The truth is what they wrote down is not what you copied from the christian apologetic website, by the way, what you posated is NOT you own making or writing, you copied it from the cosmic finger website a website I am already familiar with. . .So, stop claiming that you wrote it. . .Its not your writing but a copy paste. . .The author completely tries to force the bible to agree with what mordern science has revealed. . .He even lies againt the bible. . .the bible is very clear, it talks about non existening things like a firmament that was created on the second day of creation to divide the waters above and the waters below, it talks about god creating the sun, stars and moon on the 4th day of creation and placing them in the firmament to give ligft unto the earth and other nonsense. . The author whose writing you copied, used scientific knowledge and tried to force it to blend with the bible by changing everything, he talked about clouds of dust, eaarths core etc, things the writers of the genesis myth never knew. . .Christians and Jews that are honest and know better just say it is an allegory, instead of lying to themselves and trying to force what science has revealed to agree with the bible which is actually a dishonest thing to do. . .

Your failure to disprove that truth is very obvious. If it was "copied and pasted", as you claim that's what I did, does that negate the truth found in the scriptures and confirmed by modern science regarding the order in which things first appeared here on earth? What you are attacking is a sign of failure on your part.You think everyone is feeding from the same website(s) as you? Go back to that post, read through it and the cited scriptures therein, then come and see if you'll still like what you put up here.

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 12:30am On Apr 29, 2013

mazaje1: This is your own making and remains a lie, you actually copied this aplogist material from cosmic fingers website. ..they are the authors making and have nothing to do with what was written in genesis. . .heavy gases, eh?. ..where does heavy gases appear in genesis?

You are just lying here and you know it. . .Nothing you have up there reads like what appears in genesis creation account. . .

Sciences agrees with which stages?. . .the stage that says the earth was in existence before the sun and stars were made?. . .

Lol. You have seen it all. That's a perfect order of how the things you see today on earth came to be. Recall that it was presented by one of those some of you describe as "ape-man" and "illiterate". It staggers you so much that you begin to say I am lying, that none of those things read like what happens in genesis creation account. You failed to see that I provided scriptural reference(s) for each of those stages, and anyone can look them up and see you as a blatant liar.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 11:32pm On Apr 28, 2013

mazaje: undireacted explaosin is what gave birth to our own star, after a supernova, new stars are born, the debris, and dust later come together to form planets. . .So yes, explosions do give birth to order, because even our own sun and planets came as a result of a supernova explosion. . .

Explosion usually is chaotic, like the explosion of a nuclear bomb. Naturally, do they result in better organization? Do the bombs that fall on cities in wartime produce superbly designed buildings, streets and signs with traffic laws? On the contrary, such explosions cause wreckage, disorder, chaos, disintegration. And when the explosive device is nuclear the disorganization is total, as experienced by the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.

A mere "explosion" could not create our awesome universe with its amazing order, design and law. Only a mighty organizer and lawmaker could direct the powerful forces at work so that they would result in superb organization and law. Scientific evidence only provides solid backing for the Bible's declaration:

"The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.."—Psalm 19:1(New American Standard Bible)

Christianity Etc › Re: Myopia Of Atheism by Freksy(m): 8:45pm On Apr 28, 2013*

mazaje: The first page of the bible begins with a false creation account that was been shown to be false by observable evidence, even christian apologist agree and say the genesis creation account is an allegory. . .

The science of mathematical probability offers striking proof that the Genesis creation account must have come from a source with knowledge of the events. The account lists 10 major stages in this order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an expanse or atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning; ( cool

sea monsters and flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals; (10) man.

(1) a beginning ....................................................................................................1:1
(2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water .....1:2

Day One
(3) light .................................................................................................................1:3,5

Day Two
(4) an expanse or atmosphere ..............................................................................1:6-8

Day Three
(5) large areas of dry land ......................................................................................1:9,10
(6) land plants ........................................................................................................1:11

Day Four
(7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning ........1:14-16

Day Five
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sea monsters and flying creatures .....................................................................1:20,21

Day Six
(9) wild and tame beasts, mammals .........................................................................1:24
(10) man.....................................................................................................................1:26,27

Science agrees that these stages occurred in the above general order. What are the chances that the writer of Genesis just guessed this order? The same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10 from a box, and drew them in consecutive order. The chances of doing this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800! So, to say the writer just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order without getting the facts from somewhere is not realistic. To say it is false will make one a blatant liar before others.

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