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Jdream: Rapture will take place anytime from now. Everything hindering the rapture has been removed. Gospel has been preached everywhere, all the prophecies has been fullfilled. Devil is working very hard to occupy christains with the things of this world so that the day will catch them unaware. Pls be prepared, there is no more time. Use this advantage to send this message to as many as u can. DO NOT IGNORE THIS!

I know the time of destruction of the wicked is nearer, but I can't ignore asking you to explain scripturally what "rapture" is.

benalvino: Question 1 is obvious... Nope

Soul is not what you think it is, IT HAS BLOOD

"Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these." - Jeremiah 2:34 (KJV)

Question 2 is Obvious... Nope

You are wrong, SOUL CAN EAT

"And if any of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity. - Leviticus 7:18 (KJV)

I always say only God can kill the soul

Wrong again; GOD IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN KILL THE SOUL

"And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire." - Joshua 11:11 KJV

I am a Living soul... But my body is a suite for the soul...

Yes, YOU ARE A LIVING SOUL, you can sin and die consequently.-Rom. 5:12; Ezekiel 18:4. There is nothing embedded in you called, "soul" that does the sinning; it's you, the soul/one that sin.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen 2:7 (KJV)

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being". - Gen 2:7 (NKJV) ..... Here a living soul is described as the result of some things that come together. It is composite, not a component.....It contradicts your stance.

Animals have soul...

Among other things, soul means "life". Animals have "life", so animals have soul. Moreover, ANIMALS ARE ALSO CALLED "SOULS"

"Then the second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living creature in the sea died". - Rev 16:3 (NKJV)

"And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea". - Rev 16:3 (KJV)

PERSONS AND ANIMALS ARE SOULS, see below:

"And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep: "- Num 31:28 (KJV) .... Note: the usage implies "they are souls", not "they have souls"

But soul and Body are not same thing...
i will advice you to look at my post earlier...

Soul is not what you think it is, I would rather advice you to study the scripture thoroughly, meditatively and with a mind void of preconceived notion regarding soul.

In the scripture, the following are sometimes translated as "soul": Man/person, Animal, a person's life, man's future life prospect, breath, life breath....

If there is any scripture you feel supports your current stance, present it let see if it won't fit any of the aforementioned in blue.

Just a question: God is a spirit, does He have a soul?

Bobbysworld28: So God is a spirit.

Does God have a soul?

The Holy Spirit is a person.

Jesus yielded his spirit (meaning he had a spirit)

There are evil spirits.

Yet d spirit of man is just a breath?

Sometimes the word, "breath", is translated as, "spirit". Some translators have also translated it as "soul".

Christ is our widom & in one of his teachings he talked about Lazarus & the rich man.
For me that settles it. There is a life after death.
Eat ur heart out frosbel, i will believe Jesus over u anytime

The only possibility of life after death is by resurrection.

benalvino: are you disputing me or saying same thing I said... All U said agreed with me so why make it like am wrong?

Are you sure we speak in agreement?

Ok, let see if we all agree...

1. Does soul have blood?


2. Can soul eat?


3. Can someone else kill soul, apart from God?


4. Are you a soul?


5. Are animals souls?

benalvino: Genesis 2:7
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.

you can see that God forms a body(man) from dust but the body wasn't alive... it did not say he formed a soul... but he formed the body and breath into the nostrils and the body became or the man became a living soul.

Soul as used in Gen 2:7 simply means, 'Man, with life in him'. It's a result of some things that were put together - dust from the ground and breath of life from God. Note the word, "became"

man of dust and( + ) breath of life became( = ) A living Soul/being/creature

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Gen 2:7 (KJV)

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. - Gen 2:7 (NKJV)

And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature. - Gen (YLT)

so the soul gives life to the body... without the soul the body is dead.

It was the breath from God that gave life to the body.

life = soul...

Soul as used in the bible means --- life, person, animal. Also, the bible shows that soul has blood, can eat, sin and die....yes, you are a soul.

now the bible makes it clear that the soul is not immortal... the soul can be destroyed by God

Soul can be destroyed by God......Humans, animals, even inanimate things too, can also destroy soul.

"And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword , utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire" Joshua 11:11 - KJV

However, God is the only one that can destroy soul in hell or gehenna.... the only one that can destroy man with his future life's prospect.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 says:
“Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Paul was referring to the spirit, soul, and body of the composite Christian church in Thessalonica. Instead of simply praying that the church be preserved, he prayed for the preservation of its "spirit," or mental disposition. He also prayed for its "soul," its life, or existence, and for its "body"- the composite body of anointed Christians. (1 Cor. 12:12, 13) The prayer thus highlights Paul's intense concern for the church.

the soul is put in the body for it to operate remove the soul and the body dies...

What God put in the lifeless man/soul was life-giving and sustaining breath from Him. When the breath is removed, life is gone .... the soul is dead and return to dust.

(29) "Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust." - Psalms 104:29 (KJV)

frosbel: But the bible does not say angels changed into humans and mated with Women, it simply says the Sons of GOD which imho is a reference to those godly men who loved God but had slidden back because of rampant wickedness and immorality.

An example of this today , is the situation where many Sons of GOD who were once saved are sleeping around with women , especially those who are not of the faith.

"Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. " - Matthew 24:12

"Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols." - Revelation 2:20

(2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. -Genesis 6:2 (KJV)

"(2) some of the heavenly beings saw that these young women were beautiful, so they took the ones they liked". -Genesis 6:2 (GNT)

Not intentional, forgive me Bro.

Ah, there was no problem bros.

No.

"(4) In those days, and even later, there were giants on the earth who were descendants of human women and the heavenly beings. They were the great heroes and famous men of long ago. (5) When the LORD saw how wicked everyone on earth was and how evil their thoughts were all the time, (6) he was sorry that he had ever made them and put them on the earth. He was so filled with regret (7) that he said, “I will wipe out these people I have created, and also the animals and the birds, because I am sorry that I made any of them.” ( But the LORD was pleased with Noah". -Genesis 6:4-8 (GNT)

Please marry the above with the following and see if they agree or not:


"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" - Jude 6

"(4) For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but condemned them to the chains of Tartarus and handed them over to be kept for judgment; (5) and if he did not spare the ancient world, even though he preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, together with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the godless world;" -2 Peter 2:4-5 Catholic Bible (NABRE)

frosbel: 2 things.

The angels were not human beings, they only 'appeared' as MEN and almost disappeared after their mission had been accomplished.

Did I call them human beings in my comment? I said they "materialized fleshly bodies"; is there anything wrong with that?

I repeat , they were not in substance MEN, let's leave that stuff to folklore.

It beats me why you repeat the bolded. You want to subtly give the impression that's what you refuted?

frosbel: 100% False.

An Angel does not have a male organ , talk less of the associated seed that goes with it.

There is no way on earth an angel can procreate with a human, contradicting both creation and biology. Total impossibility.

Can materialized angels procreate with humans on earth?

Chibuebem: he did? Support that with scripture please. I believe he went directly. Here's that verse in the message translation:
1 peter 3:19-22- he went and proclaimed Gods salvation to earlier generations who ended up in the prison of judgement because they wouldn't listen...
They were in the prison of judgement when they were preached to. They were dead. Did noah go to hell to preach to them? I think not ma'am.

Chibuebem, from where did you get the bolded?

frosbel: afaik , only God's angels had the ability to 'materialise' as Human beings , which does not in anyway support the fallacy that they were of the same substance of MEN.


Bible says , Angels are spirits - Psalm 104:4

The bolded is not an issue at the moment. If angels can materialize as humans, can anything limit them from admiring pretty women and eventually have intercourse with them? Surely not!

My comment had no hint of them having the same substance as MEN. Would you still say this is 100% lie and impossibility?

frosbel: materialise as ?

Humans

frosbel: 100% False.

An Angel does not have a male organ , talk less of the associated seed that goes with it.

There is no way on earth an angel can procreate with a human, contradicting both creation and biology. Total impossibility.

Can they materialize?

Tgirl4real: I was gonna point that out too.

It says spirit in prision dat disobeyed during the time of Noah, def not demons. It's talking people.

But Jesus didn't go to hell to preach to this people directly as you guys are saying. He preached through Noah during th e time of Noah.

It's event that took place millenniums after the flood of Noah's day. Moreover, Noah Was flesh, thus could not have preached to the disobedient spirits in their prison realm.

Chibuebem: why would jesus preach a condemnatory message to spirits in prison Nawa o. Thats entirely out of context. He didnt preach to demon spirits, he preached to those who were disobedient in noahs time and who perished in the flood.

In Noah's time an unspecified number of rebellious angels left their place in God's heavenly family, came down to the earth, and materialized fleshly bodies. Why? They had developed a desire to have sexual relations with women. This led to their fathering offspring called Nephilim, who became violent giants. The rebellious angels escaped destruction at the time of the Flood. They abandoned their fleshly bodies and returned to the spirit realm as spirit creatures

"(1) Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, (2) that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. -Genesis 6:1-2 (NKJV)

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" - Jude 6

"(4) For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but condemned them to the chains of Tartarus and handed them over to be kept for judgment; (5) and if he did not spare the ancient world, even though he preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, together with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the godless world;" -2 Peter 2:4-5 Catholic Bible (NABRE)

Bidam: This is not about word of faith or whateva,it's about literal interpretation of scriptures.No prophecy of scriptures is of private interpretation.Could you please explain the following scriptures for us in their context? Thanks.
1 Peter 3:19-20: "He went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water." NIV

As a resurrected spirit, Jesus preached a condemnatory message to the wicked spirits in prison, demons reserved in eternal bonds for the judgment of God's great day. There will be no salvation for demons, hence, Jesus' preaching was not message of repentance and salvation, but that of adverse judgement that await them.

Acts 2:31
31. He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." -Acts 2:31 (KJV)

"he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption". -Acts 2:31 (NKJV)

"David knew this would happen, and so he told us Christ would be raised to life. He said God would not leave him in the grave or let his body decay". - Acts 2:31 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

"David saw what God was going to do in the future, and so he spoke about the resurrection of the Messiah when he said, ‘He was not abandoned in the world of the dead; his body did not rot in the grave.’ -Acts 2:31 (GNT)

Hell = Hades = Grave (the world of the dead)

Ephesians 4:8-10
8. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

As a conqueror, Jesus carried away captives, that is, took men away from Satan's control. He imparted spiritual gifts to them for the building up of the Christian congregation. This fulfilled prophecy at Ps 68:18.

9. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Before Jesus ascended he first discended into Hell/Hades/Grave - the lower part of the earth. His resurrection, or ascension from the grave was a victory over death.

10. He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

The same Jesus that died and was buried is he that "ascended up far above all heavens" - all other heavenly creatures - Ph 2:5-11... a reward from his Father for his obedience and humility.

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Jesus died and was buried in the Grave/Hades/Hell/ ... remained in the "belly" of the earth for three days. Jonah described Whale's belly as Sheol/Hell/Grave. - Jonah 2:2 ... thus, Jesus was in the grave for three days.

ayswags: what class are you

You are a killjoy

FOLYKAZE: This is getting interesting.

Pls can you explain

Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
28 And fear not them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear Him that is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Can you explain what soul is and what body is because they are separate entity according to this bible verse

The word, "soul", as used in Matt. 10:28 simply means man's prospect for future life. No one can take that away from you, except God. Destruction by man is temporary, but that by God can be permanent/eternal - no hope of resurrection.... Among other things, 'soul' means life, or prospect for future life.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul"? Mr 8:36 (KJV)

"For what does it profit a man, to gain the whole world, and forfeit his life"? Mr 8:36 - World English Bible (WEB)

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." - Matt 10:28 .... 'Prospects for future life'

shdemidemi: Did Adam and Eve die after they transgressed?


What do you know about your inner man?


Are you going to be in heaven with this body that was made of dust?

Adam and Eve died after they transgressed.From God's viewing a thousand years as one day (Ps 90:4; 2pet 3:, Adam died within the first thousand-year "day" of man's existence. He died at the age of 930 years. Where did he go at his physical death? He did return to the dust of the ground, because, as God said, from there Adam had been taken - Gen 3:19. He then ceased to be a "living soul." (Gen 2:7) He ceased to exist. When his wife Eve died a physical death, she, too, ceased to be a "living soul." There was no soul to live on forever and ever according to the Babylonian religious mythology.

Man is a mortal being. You have nothing in you that can live on after your physical death. Anything contrary to this is vindication of the Devil's age-old sermon: "And the serpent said unto the woman , Ye shall not surely die:" Gen 3:4 KJV..... The genesis of/seed-sowing for belief in reincarnation, immortality of the soul, and the likes.

Body that was made of dust cannot survive in heaven much like fish cannot survive on land. Anyone who would be privileged to go to heaven will be given a new body - spirit body. Right now no flesh has it, for God made man primarily for earthly life. Man's prospect for heavenly life was a later development following Adam's disobedience.

Where was Adam before he was created, and where is he presently?

It's either the mother is mentally sick, or she just wanted to do away with the baby. I have never heard the like of this, even with animals.

smothly: are you a christian??,then if you are that means you don't read your bible.
My dear go and read the book of revelation from beginning to the end

I am familiar with the book of revelation. Could you please cite a specific chapter and verse(s) you claim "rapture" is found?

smothly: either we like it or not its going to happen,because its written and no one can stop it.

There is no such thing as "rapture" in the scripture. It only exists/happens in people's dreams.

smothly: What can we do to be Born again

Repentance from bad deeds and constant examination of ourselves to be sure that we are really doing what God and Christ require of us are prerequisites. However, I find that what people mean by "born again" is not always the same. Would you tell me what it means to you?

smothly: From Apostle E. A. Adeboye. I saw it again. This time more scary. The end-time is more than nigh. It will happen like a flash unexpected and time shall be no more for repentance. In my dream,I didn't make it to heaven despite I was saying my last prayer for forgiveness of sins, it was as if God shut his ears. I saw multitude of people running into a church. But inside that church,screamin­g and shouting everywhere;peop­le making utterances to heaven. Behold it was as if a strange spirit entered into some people more clearly,I remember seeing an old man who was beside me whom the said spirit entered into and as he let out a cry,he disappeared and few other people. At that point,I realized that the rapture has taken place. I cried the more. Immediately,the­ devil took over and started making mockery of the left over Christians. He had a register of everyone's name.... At this point,I woke up. The end is more than near. Don't keep this message and don't get annoyed when u receive this just do the whole world a favour and keep broadcasting Jesus' coming, u might save a lost soul. God bless you

madone: Friend had a dream abut rapture 2days ago and call me to call abut Christ coming soon.I just prayed and pushed tins aside but I had a dream abut rapture this morning and it was very scary I did not make it too dt is the fearful tin I was hoping to wake up from the sleep in the dream.ha God help o

Would you like these dreams to come true?

ZACHIE: If there was an UNLIKE button,would've received 18930 UNLIKEs by now.

If it is as you say, you would have received 18930 LIKES by now.

Lanrefahm: Prayer is very important, it must be observe where ever u r or where ever it meets u

Would you recommend same to a driver or a pilot?

Ladywilyms: I've been hearing stories abt pipu living on earth after death bt i've never witness such so i cnt really tell if its possible or not

You'll keep hearing but will never witness any.

Sidespin, you haven't mentioned how you got this message from Don piper, an angel delivered it to you? If Don is back, won't he set up a church - a thing that often follow this kind of tale?

Emusan: Where is it stated that creative days was different from our solar day?

Some Events of the Sixth Creative Day

Genesis 1:23-31 shows that land animals and Adam and Eve were all made on one creative day - the sixth day. Genesis 1:27 even makes it appears that man and woman were created at the same time, but in Genesis chapter two we learn that a period of time elapsed between the creation of the man and that of the woman. This is not a contradiction. Chapter one only gives an overview of the creation of human Kind, whereas chapter two fills in the details. Let us examine each detail while asking ourselves if all the events presented in chapter two could reasonably fit into twenty-four hours.

1. After Adam was created, God planted the garden of Eden in the east. He then made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground.

"And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil". 2:8-9 KJV

Notice that we are not told that God "created" the garden or the trees. Rather, God "planted" and "caused the trees to grow." The terms "planted" and "grow" imply activity that took time. Of course, God has the power to create Eden in an instant, but the language of the narrative suggests a process, not an immediate creative act.

2. In 2:18 God declares that "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." He, however, did not create Eve immediately. Instead, he brought the beasts of the field and the birds of the air to Adam to name them, which he did. This naming process would have taken time, both because there were many kinds of animals, and because names in the Bible describe a characteristic of the object being named. Note, for example, that the name "woman" is not arbitrary; it brings out a characteristic of woman - "she was taken out of man." Note also the meanings of "Cain" and "Seth" in Genesis 4.1,25. From these and other scriptural examples, it is not unreasonable that Adam's name for each animal would have expressed a characteristic of the animal, and this implies that Adam would have had to observe each animal for a while in order to select a name that summarized one of its characteristics. Thus it is hard to believe that Adam could have named all the beasts of the field and the birds of the air in 24 hours.

3. Gen. 2:21-23 speaks of Adam falling into a deep sleep and a woman being formed from one of his ribs and brought to him. Adam is quoted as saying: "This is AT LAST. . ." suggesting he has been waiting so long for a human companion. - NET, NABRE, GNT, GNTCE, NRSVCE, NRSV, RSV; The Man said, “Finally! ..." MSG

Of course, one wonders why God had Adam name the animals before He created the woman. I would suggest that God's purpose was to show Adam that he was incomplete without a mate (after all, the other animals had mates); in this way he would love and appreciate Eve all the more.

4. Genesis 2:4 uses the same word "day" to refer to the duration of the activities of all 6 creative days, thus showing that "day" is not used with the literal 24-hour period in mind.

Plain reading of the Genesis account of creation leaves no room for a 24-hour 6 creative days.

Moreover, at Hebrews 4:3-11 apostle Paul indicated that God's rest day was still continuing in his generation, and that was more than 4,000 years after that seventh-day rest period began. This means the seventh day itself was thousands of years.

In view of the above, it's more reasonable to conclude that each creative days could have actually been hundreds, thousands or even millions of years in length.

Emusan: Did you believe in progressive creation of billion years too or you just want to show that Genesis creation is not taking place in 24hrs?

I believe that creation was progressive, as opposed to a single event at a single point in the stream of time.

Where is it stated that creative days was different from our solar day?

In my previous posts I discussed some scriptural texts that show a creative day can't be the same as our solar day of just 24 hours.

And if no man knows exactly then why can't we just agree that God created everything in just 6days as we know the meaning of day today?

Hmmm, we should just agree even when it's glaring that our solar day is not the same as creative day?

It will contradict my Brother! As it is today some scientists begin to observe that earth could not as old as billions years because; 1) In 1845 German scientist Carl was the first person to keep tabs on Earth's magnetic field that the Earth's magnetic field is getting weaker as it is today it has been 10times weaker that what Carl noticed in 1845. [b]1845 till date is not up to 200years interval and it was noticed to be 10times weaker then if Earth is billion years it will have faded away. 2) Earth is losing its inner core temperature every day by day to bring atmosphere in equilibrium, if Earth is losing its temperature and at about 12ft down water will boil then we shouldn't be able to find any hot region on Earth crust then if Earth is billion years old.

Has the established scientific fact regarding the shape of the earth contradicted the bible? No! Also, men were wrong about the earth having physical support, now they are in agreement with the scripture that it's hung upon nothing.

The bible has not spoken about the earth's weakening magnetic field, if it does, and scientific findings on it are factual, they would surely agree.

See this thread for more....
https://www.nairaland.com/1347981/why-earth-could-not-old

If a result now shows that Earth can not be more than 10,000years it will contradict progressive creation who claims earth is as old as billion years.

Up till now the results keep showing the earth is older than 10, 000 years, meaning, each creative day is more than 24 hours.

If you think so.

You didn't get the message here. I said the word HOUR-one which is like 1hrs not HOURS-as many. If Bible uses the word 'Hour' as quick action/instantly then the word 'day-24hrs' is enough for a longer event to take place. Remember we have some verses that support short time also.

If Gen 2 did not expatiate events of day 6 wouldn't you conclude the time period was short? The bible is not a science text, thus, can't give detailed accounts of all that happened on each creative day. Some verses seem to support short time because no further light is shaded on them. On day 3 we learn that the dry land appeared, have you thought of what things might have involved?

That's why I said we should just agree with OP day-24hrs because no one fully understand the process. I only argue that Earth could not as old as some scientists thought of.

The earth not being as old as some scientists claim, does not make it as young as you claim either. You not being as old as 80, would not make me claim you are just 5. Yes, we don't fully understand the process - there were more to it. That makes it more likely that each creative day was more than 24 hours.

How old is Earth?
My best answer to this question is; well God created everything in the universe in time when no man could fully understand the process in just 6days according to God's word.
I've studied the way scientist determine their own age but full of critical assumption likewise some creationist no specific age, so I come to conclusion on some event that happen around the globe i.e Losing of inner Temperature, Fading of Magnetic Field e.t.c that Earth could not as old as billion/million years but thousand years which I can't give its specific figure.

Ok, but it appears you say it's not more than 10,000 years. All I would say is, it's more than 10,000 years, as the bible shows each creative day is longer than our day of 24 hours.

Just imagine the seventh day alone extending to the time of apostle Paul - about 4,000 years as at then. Just two questions: What do you think radio clocks read? The materials of earth mentioned at Gen 1:1 or the materials of already prepared earth? How long had the earth been existing before commencement of it preparation for life -Time between Gen 1:1 and 1:3?

Emusan: No! because I believe in Genesis creation account. I only cited him as an example, he didn't believe in 24hrs/day of creation but clearly state that, the writer make it clears that it happens within 24hrs.

A fat lie, the writer of Genesis never clarified that. Perhaps the prof wants christian folks to keep clinging on to the fallacy of a 24-hour day to make rebuttal easier for them in their debate.

You miss a point here by not carefully study the statement of that Genesis 1:2-God said let there be LIGHT(singular) not lights(plural) while in Genesis 1:14-God said let there be LIGHTs(plural) not light(singular). can you see the difference?

I am sure you mean Gen. 1:3 and 1:14. OLA explained them, and I supported. Gen. 1:3 talks about light in a general sense while 1:14 refers to light sources. See how we differ:

while OLA claims the light at 1:3 came from source(s) other than the sun, my opinion is that the sun, moon and stars are what made up the physical heaven mentioned in Gen. 1:1, hence light in 1:3 came from the already existing light sources. They were not seing in day 3 because of overcast....it covered the earth like "swaddling band" around a baby. - See Job 38:4, 9.

On day 4 God commanded the light sources to be visible. Had man been there he would see them for the first time from the earth. Their appearance set a foundation for division of a day into 24 hours or as time indicators, for God said they must serve as signs for days, years and seasons.

Again at the beginning of each verses this statement appear "....Let there be....." which stand at the beginning of every creations. If God only places lights (sun & moon) to cause division of days & nights it means it wasn't created but it was just positioning---then this statement "Let there be" cannot reappear infront of verse 14 again.

God created them - Gen 1:1; He commanded them to appear - 1:14; He asigned role(s) to them - 1:16; He positioned them - 1:17.

Going by the way of anticipating the creation account in Genesis has seems not too perfect by humans because we believe we are more accurate in our thinking and reasoning,

The creation account is as perfect as perfect could be, the problem is our failure to see the fact that:
1. There could be no physical earth without the crust. 2. There could be no physical heaven without the moon, sun and other stars etc. 3.The light in 1:3 was obviously from the sun. 4. Every day, no matter the length, has its morning and evening. 5. Creative day is different from solar day. 6. The crust that appeared as dry land was not created on day 3. 7.The sun, moon and stars that appeared on day 4 were not created on that day, but pre-existed.... were constituents of heaven mentioned in Gen 1:1. 8 Gen. 1:3-31 is not about creation of the physical heaven and earth but preparation of already existing earth for life.

remember this is God's word no assumption is expecting to interpret it that's why I said early that we should just agree with OP, God said He created everything in a 'day' meanwhile today we all know what a day means literally.

It would be baseless assumption if I say a creative day was a 24-hour day. The writer of Gen never said so. He shows creative day was different from man's solar day - the former is longer in length; no one knows exactly, though.

My worry is that who may says what might happen to all this research of dating tomorrow? I mean what if another result come out later and declear that our universe is less than TEN thousand years old, what will be the fate of progressive creation that supported MILLIONs of years?

Man will keep flip-flopping and updating until their facts are well established. In the end, they will not contradict, but confirm the truth as found in the bible. Many claim that science disproves the Bible’s account of creation. However, the real contradiction is, not between science and the Bible, but between science and the opinions of Christian Fundamentalists. It's false assertion that all physical creation was produced in six 24-hour days approximately 10,000 years ago. A careful study of the Bible text reveals no conflict with established scientific facts.

Scientist that published it everywhere both in textbooks, media, internet e.t.c that LIFE started in ocean, is the same theory most scientist now rejecting unless some adanmant ones. The same scientist that claim human evolve from ape-like but recently a research claim that "it has a great implecations the way they interpret the ape-man bone found. And many more...

The above, like a literal 24-hour creative day, lack scriptural support, so, I don't believe them.

Someone like me I don't claim earth was billions or thousands years but I do believe in Genesis creation's account as literally 24hours. I cited this example in first page of this thread as 'HOUR' appears more than 50-times in the Bible but anywhere the word hour is being used connote 'instantly'. If the word hour=instant what of 24hours?

What of 168 hrs, 720 hrs, and 8,784 hrs , that is ........ 1 week, 1 month and 1 year respectively? Do they also connote "instantly"?

Remember the phrase "let there be...." in any creation account usually end with "and it was so..." which means "Command and action". Anyway I'm not here to prove you wrong but just to let you know that if God speaks let's say yes to it, instead of puting our own fallible assumption.

Shallom!

There is always a lag between command and action. Also, every action has length - completion time. Genesis creation account shows each creative day had a time gap of more than 24 hours....Think about some things that happened on day 6 - creation of man and all kinds of animals, planting of garden, naming of all the animals (including birds of the heavens) by Adam, Adam's deep sleep etc.

Today we are still multiplying (action). God's rest continued till the time of Paul (it was action in progress).

Emusan: @Fresky,

Let me say this, you have really tried in your post but as the OP has said let's subscribe into it not by playing intelligent to the word of God.

Dr. James Barr, Regius Professor of Hebrew at Oxford University, who himself does not believe Genesis is true history, admitted the following, as far as the language of Genesis 1 is concerned:
So far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Gen. 1–11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience.

I believe if not for fossilized dating of billion years nobody would have thought of altering 24hours day to thousands or billions of years. What some christians who buy the ideas of radio dating fail to know is that, some assumptions were included in radiometric dating. Then how are we sure if these assumptions were true? Scientists can't do without assumption especially when dealing with the past or try to freeze the time and travel to the past.

Finally, The “war of the worldviews” is not ultimately one of young earth versus old earth, or billions of years versus six days, or creation versus evolution—the real battle is the authority of the Word of God versus man’s fallible theories.

Emusan, do you also share the same disbelief as the professor regarding the authenticity of Genesis account of creation? If no, why?

A careful study of the Bible text reveals the Bible, however, does not support such a conclusion as derived by the professor.

A 24-hour day reference would be impossible for the first three days. This is because, while the sun and moon were evidently created before the first three days, the fourth day was the first day that the sun and moon were “placed” so as to cause a “division between the day and the night...as signs for...days and years” (1:14). The 24 hour day is dependant on the sun’s relationship with the Earth. Only on the fourth day was the sun “established” - 1:16 or “set” - 1:17 so as to cause this division.

Furthermore, if the sixth “day” was only 24 hours long why would there be a concern for Adam becoming lonely? The context indicates that for a lengthy time Adam developed a longing as he saw that there was no complement for him (2:18-20). His exclamation indicated Adam had anticipated Eve for some time: “Then the man said, “This one at last...” Gen 2:23 - NET, NABRE, GNT, GNTCE, NRSVCE, NRSV, RSV; The Man said, “Finally! ..." MSG.

Verse 20 shows Adam even named all the animals, including birds, before God provided a companion for him. All these activities do not seem to be describing the last part of a literal 24 hour day!

I agree with you on Radiometric dating - it's not infallible system. My stance, as you can see, is majorly rooted in the scriptures. This, of course, does not mean I disregard results that are factual from radio clocks. Established scientific facts have never contradicted bible truth, but confirmed it. They enhance our understanding of what God created and bear witness to His existence. It's Him that makes it easy for our material world to be seen clearly.- Rom 1:19-20.

freedom61: wrong wrong wrong
yu people carry wrong interpretaions and run with it thinking now we have got it.

lets get down to it, shall we
i was expecting the verse to say "i was set up at a certain time" but no. the verse says i was set up at no time at all but at eternity at everlasting.
2. does set up mean to create.
i set up the temporal tent [canopy] outside, did i just make the canopy. smh

"The Lord created me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago." - NET

“The LORD created me first of all, the first of his works, long ago." -Proverbs 8:22 (GNT)

“The LORD created me first of all, the first of his works, long ago." -Proverbs 8:22 Good News Catholic Bible (GNTCE)

"The Lord created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old." -Proverbs 8:22 (RSV)

"The Lord created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of long ago".-Proverbs 8:22 (NRSV)

3. now look at the meaning of the word from which set up is translated. it is nacak {naw-sak'} #5258 נָסַךְ
it means
1. to pour out, pour, offer, cast
2. to set, install

the two meanings does not mean to create something. you pour out what has being in existence. you set up already existing parts. you install an already pronounced king [case in point. when a king dies automatically the prince is now the king. the installation does not make the king, it only confirms][case in point 2: i just installed a software in my system. did i just create the software]

summary: to pour out and to install should not be confused as creation.

Assuming "set up" means "install", and Jesus is the Almighty God, who is he that set up or installed the Almighty God?

Mike chinos: Jesus is God he came as a man just to save U̶̲̥̅̊ and me. He pre-existed before all things. He said he is the alpha and omega the first and last

Can you tell me what God did to save you?