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proo212: @Fresky, Is God a Spirit or not?

proo212: @Ijawkid, sometimes I wonder what you believe when I read your posts. Yes we can hold to one verse and flog it for what its worth to reaffirm what your mindset already believes.

If the Bible says the Spirit spoke expressly, then literally it means exactly that. Now, does a force speak or guide? Spirit or Ghost, we know these are used interchangeably. Proper Christians have never had a problem with this. In German, we say Heilige Geist and not Heilige Seele. Likewise in yoruba, we say Emi Mimo and not Oku mimo. Some say Holy Ghost, some say Holy Spirit. He is the same person.

Haibe has given a few verses that tells you that the Spirit has these God-like attributes. So if the Spirit is referred to as a He, he belongs in the same place as the other 2 of the trinity.

1 John 5:7 says For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. The issue is you are trying to reduce the Holy Spirit as a bit player in the trinity. The verse above tells you they are one.

If the trinity were a pagan tradition, then it will not be in Christendom, there will be no reference of it in both the old and the new testaments verses.

John 16:5-11
5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

ijawkid: Fresky I need ur email...

Here's mine...

Wagskehinde@yahoo.com

Willzkid: Left to me paul had the witnesses in mind when he wrote 2tim 3:5
How do you come up with Jesus being angel Michael when Heb 1:5-14 clearly defines angels as ministering spirit for the heirs of salvation? In Heb 1:8 clearly asserts the deity of Christ. On His ressurrection Thomas a jewish disciple who knew what it meant to call someone aside YAHWEH God, called him my LORD and MY GOD.(John 20:28)
Witnesses argue that in Isa 9:6, Jesus was called mighty God not ALMIGHTY thereby giving room for two seperate "Gods", whereas Isaiah a jew would have known that the Lord our God is ONE Lord..(Deut 6). For those who might want to argue along the lines of John 14:28, you might also want to read the following scriptures: John 10:30,John 1:1(which the witnesses in their desperation have watered down to imply that Jesus is a god),Phil 2:5-9.
Another very sily claim of the witnesses is that the manifestations of the Holy spirit in signs, wonders, healings, and tongues ended in the dispensation of the early apostles, using 1corinth 13:8,9 and some funny logic to buttress their point. However, peter standing on the day of pentecost proclaimed in Acts 2:39 that the promise is for all who will ever believe.By the way, if I was gullible enough to believe the JW's position based on 1corinth 13, where was it stated that the time for the cessation in the spirit's manifestation in the highlighted manners has elapsed?..after writin 1corinth 13 paul wrote in chapter 14 that he "speaks in tongues more than all the corinthians"(see vs.18). "Speak" is a present and continuing tense, which means it was a practice for him(paul). Jesus said these signs shall follow them that believe..He didn't make a distinction in the believers who will access the signs, nor put a time limit to their manifestations. Why are the russelites doing so?
On the subject of the state of Israel, the JW argue that they have been abandoned forever by God, and that they are not in God's plan again as a nation. This they again support with Matt 23:37-39...they again forget that that scripture has the following caveat: "till ye shall say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. To further deflate their claim, paul plainly states in Rom 9,10 and 11 (especially in chapter 11) that God has a plan for israel's redemption at the end of the age. See Zech 12 to understand the fulfilment of Christ's own prophecy in Matt 23:39b.
On the issue of blood transfusion, that is a mosaic commandment. In contemporary times, we are not under the law. If I were to reject transfusion on hygienic grounds, it does not make those who accept it sinners. They are not actually feeding on blood in the canibalistic sense which I believe was moses' point.
So much said..only the Holy Spirit can give us understanding.

Willzkid: Left to me paul had the witnesses in mind when he wrote 2tim 3:5
How do you come up with Jesus being angel Michael when Heb 1:5-14 clearly defines angels as ministering spirit for the heirs of salvation? In Heb 1:8 clearly asserts the deity of Christ. On His ressurrection Thomas a jewish disciple who knew what it meant to call someone aside YAHWEH God, called him my LORD and MY GOD.(John 20:28)
Witnesses argue that in Isa 9:6, Jesus was called mighty God not ALMIGHTY thereby giving room for two seperate "Gods", whereas Isaiah a jew would have known that the Lord our God is ONE Lord..(Deut 6). For those who might want to argue along the lines of John 14:28, you might also want to read the following scriptures: John 10:30,John 1:1(which the witnesses in their desperation have watered down to imply that Jesus is a god),Phil 2:5-9.
Another very sily claim of the witnesses is that the manifestations of the Holy spirit in signs, wonders, healings, and tongues ended in the dispensation of the early apostles, using 1corinth 13:8,9 and some funny logic to buttress their point. However, peter standing on the day of pentecost proclaimed in Acts 2:39 that the promise is for all who will ever believe.By the way, if I was gullible enough to believe the JW's position based on 1corinth 13, where was it stated that the time for the cessation in the spirit's manifestation in the highlighted manners has elapsed?..after writin 1corinth 13 paul wrote in chapter 14 that he "speaks in tongues more than all the corinthians"(see vs.18). "Speak" is a present and continuing tense, which means it was a practice for him(paul). Jesus said these signs shall follow them that believe..He didn't make a distinction in the believers who will access the signs, nor put a time limit to their manifestations. Why are the russelites doing so?
On the subject of the state of Israel, the JW argue that they have been abandoned forever by God, and that they are not in God's plan again as a nation. This they again support with Matt 23:37-39...they again forget that that scripture has the following caveat: "till ye shall say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. To further deflate their claim, paul plainly states in Rom 9,10 and 11 (especially in chapter 11) that God has a plan for israel's redemption at the end of the age. See Zech 12 to understand the fulfilment of Christ's own prophecy in Matt 23:39b.
On the issue of blood transfusion, that is a mosaic commandment. In contemporary times, we are not under the law. If I were to reject transfusion on hygienic grounds, it does not make those who accept it sinners. They are not actually feeding on blood in the canibalistic sense which I believe was moses' point.
So much said..only the Holy Spirit can give us understanding.

chiefkpokp: The comrade queues up with normal people this morning. If you know anyone in Edo, send them sms telling them to vote the comrade governor.

judebeyou: As for me, soul is what the human uses to interact with world outside of him. While spirit on the other hand, is the part that humans use to interact with things which are not seen. Example, we have emotions, fear, anxiety etc. when all these things are taking place from the inside, it is know as the spirit realm, while the soul is the output. Put it this way: the spirit is the hard drive and soul is the part that displays all the information thar are on the drive and this happens with the help of the body. The body is the human identity in the material realm, this doesn't mean they are different, it's simply the human configuration, without these three, then we donot have a human being.

Mandelaguy: If every one of you is told to name corrupt Nigerians you have known,I bet RIbadu will not be on most of your lists and for some die hard critics,he will be on the back page......most of you making noise on this thread cannot stand beside him in the council of people with clean hands. The man has said what he believes he can do and Nigerians should not doubt him,he has a track record and non of your paymasters can hold a light to him.

Mandelaguy: If every one of you is told to name corrupt Nigerians you have known,I bet RIbadu will not be on most of your lists and for some die hard critics,he will be on the back page......most of you making noise on this thread cannot stand beside him in the council of people with clean hands. The man has said what he believes he can do and Nigerians should not doubt him,he has a track record and non of your paymasters can hold a light to him.

eyenCalabar: So sad that it happening this way. This Akwa Ibom people are like virus multiplying and scattering everywhere here. There are even almost more than us in our own land. There's nowhere in Cross River State you won't find Akwa Ibom people and even where the language that we share is not even spoken. Don't know what we should really do to them

frosbel: How many times do I have to tell you that Christ took on the humble flesh nature of MAN for the sake of our salvation.


We know why Jesus came to the earth in the flesh, which is not the issue presently, the questions are:
1. Was Jesus sent to the earth by someone else or he came on his own?
2. If he was sent, who was the sender that had such power and authority to send the “Almighty”?




"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." - Hebrews 2:9

You claim Jesus is the Almighty God and have quoted Hebrews 2:9 severally to substantiate your claim, now the questions are:
1. Who made Jesus lower than the angels for a little while?
2. When he became lower than the angels, was he still the ‘Almighty God’?
3. When he tasted death for everyone, who then served as the ‘Almighty God’ to everyone?
4. Who resurrected him from death?
5. Who crowned him with glory and honor as a reward for his humility, suffering and death?
6. In the expression, “by the grace of God,” who is that God?




But he was actually deity before his appearance - "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped," - Philippians 2:6

I doubt you really understand this Philippians 2:6 that is often quoted and twisted by many as proof of trinity.
The context of the surrounding verses (3-5, 7- makes it clear how verse 6 is to be understood. Read them up and show how verse 6 proofs Jesus is the Almighty God.


Read my quotes and comments and respond to them, no human logic allowed here , no JW interpretations by Charles Taze Russell !

frosbel: What did Jesus Christ exist as before he came ??

And whatever answers you provide MUST be backed by a minimum of 2 verses each from the bible, not the JW bible, from a real Bible.

thanks

Ubenedictus: the usual ijawkid problem, he doesnt understand yet he critisize. Yahve is one, the is one God, there is one ousia yet in one God there are 3 distinct persons, 3 manisfestation, 3 hypostasis.

frosbel: Sorry but I do not want to be drawn into a debate.

If the scripture quoted above cannot convince you , then neither can I.

However Christ is the bodily form of the fullness of the deity.

"Sacrifice and offering Thou wouldest not, but a body hast Thou prepared me" (Heb. 10:5).

A body was prepared for the manifestation of GOD himself in the form of Christ Jesus, this Christ our Lord was indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."- Matthew 1:23

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Now let's see you spin this one :

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

This revelation has made me LOVE GOD even more, because of his great , deep and endless love for MAN.

Enigma: ^^^ Is Jesus "spirit" or not?

davidylan: That is a well-documented biological process NOT a result of random mutation. Seriously!

thehomer: Ooh you're an agent of God and clearly bright yet you ask questions that have been resolved but due to your deep willful ignorance, you refuse to actually look around for the answers.
To tell you again, humans are apes. Your other questions are based on such a poor understanding of the theory of evolution that all one can do is to advice you to read an article on the theory in a trusted encyclopaedia first before you try to ask these questions.

musKeeto: Read some of Frosbels latest threads. That guy is heading towards agnosticism.. he may not accept it, but thats how my journey to 'religion freedom' began..
You start questioning hell, begin to accomodate opposing views, next REASON tells you to be free..

Ayomivic: Are you saying there are no spirits or supernatural being ?

sanchez0: SMH. Are they blind fools or what? Can't they see the handwriting on the wall? On what grounds should one divorce? What distinguishes you "man of God" from the world? What is the difference between you and the likes of Seal and Heidi Klum? Irreconciable differences indeed.

Better check the source of your teachings for it has been said that by their fruits you shall know them.

FXKing2012: Pls stay away from criticizing MOG, itz not for u to do. Remember "touch not my anointed". This is just a piece of advice.

logicboy01: Nonsense, when you look at rain, is it created by the creator or just part of a water cycle? Abeg comot with your intelligent design nonsense. Intelligent design has been debunked

logicboy01: Epic fail.


What I think about people who believe in God;

-They have faith when there is no evidence and they believe what has been told to them concerning religion by people or books. I dont call them fools. I used to believe in God. They are wrong but not fools

frosbel: they read the bible and prevent their members from taking blood transfusion

Ogbiaboy: are we not @ war in Dis country