₦airaland Forum

Alcatraz005:
We need to sit down and discuss as a nation. That is what will end all these suspicions.

No need of any suspicion. I don't suspect anybody even during Gej tenure.

Alcatraz005:
Nobody has stopped me yet and that is why we are working hard that it doesn't get to that level. But I see it in the horizon in this country if the Christians sleep.

Hmm goodluck. If Muslim shall think the way you do, then by now Friday will be work free day. Forcing students to study Christianity in Lagos secondary school will be a thing of the past.

Having more Christian as ministers will also end etc

Alcatraz005:
Why can't our brothers here who are Muslims tell the North in no uncertain terms that Nigeria shall remain secular? Why the passive silence and Support? Do you like how the Christian South are not reassured of the secularity of the country?

Let us ask these questions and not sweep them under he carpet Bibi!

How? Has anyone stop you from going to Church? Has anyone declared Sunday as a working day like Friday?

Is anyone forcing you to become a Muslim? You claim to have no problem with Islam but you still write ironically.


If you cannot answer these questions above then enjoy your brainwashing.

Alcatraz005 I don't agree with even 1 of what you said, Indonesia is the largest Islamic nation on earth and no bullet was fired God made it so. If God destined large number of Yorubas to become Muslim, you can do nothing about that. Not even supporting ipobs will stop that. You don't need to lie, pls either you give proof of Islamization or u keep quiet.


But I must commend the way you coordinate yourself here.

FTrebirth:
i've always condemned nnamdi kanu's approach to this biafra agitation. you need to read my posts and understand my line of argument.

hoisting of flag is done everywhere...the flag is the symbolic representation of a group, and since ipob is registered under UN, they have the right to own a flag and hoist it. OPC, YOLICUM, and arewa whatever have their own flags too.


and since they keep turning a deaf ear to a serious issue as such, the secession movement has to continue. so don't blame the agitators.

The agitators must be blamed. Who ask them to vote the representatives the won't call for referendum? Is it people of other region that vote for the likes of Ike Ekweremadu?

you and i know the army is telling a fat lie but you can choose to play your partisan politics as usual.
so their exercise was supposed to take place in nnamdi kanu's compound and you expected common thugs guarding the entrance to throw a welcome party for them? i like the way you reason.

Hmm. Army have the right to exercise anywhere. The last time I check KANU street it Nigeria not Biafra. Who are his tugs to stop that.

There is Noway the army the army will start shooting or beating you just like that. They block them and God help them they did not receive Shiites treatment when they block burutai.

nnamdi kanu might have been provocative but we can't deny people their right to protest. this is democracy.

I am yet to see the country that practice this type of democracy that allows KANU utterance, Ipob and radio Biafra trash.

you can continue fending for your brother but the whole world knows that buhari is not only a dictator but also a bigot. his hate speeches after that came after he lost the first election are still on the internet.

You can accuse him of what he has done but you cannot accuse him base on assumption.

Claiming he will clamp done national assembly. That is baseless.

Rilwayne001:
Brother, answer my question first.

That is the answer to your question. Do the representative attend northern gov restructuring committee.


In your Cass I don't even think the gov attend, only some inconsequential element may be attend.

Definitely Yahya bello is not there neither his rep. Kwara gov am not sure but likely also not present.

LordAdam:
Now who is chest beating? Aboki no dey hard to predict.

As I said, you are a comedian.

-Lord

Oya now Ipob should deal with the north or let the south force restructuring by their votes in National assembly Mr chestbeater

Rilwayne001:
One question for you: Did delegates from Kwara and Kogi attend the South west meeting on restructuring that was held in Ibadan recently or not?

One question did Kwara and kogi governors attend north committee on restructuring headed by Gov tambuwal or not.

LordAdam:
Is that why Buratai is already chickening out and saying proclamation is different from declaration?

Everything IPOB has done has affected Northern Governors and Northerners whether you care to admit it or not. You guys don't want restructuring and want the status quo to remain. The South wants the opposite.

Earlier this year el-Rufai insulted people clamoring for restructuring. This month you guys formed a committee to debate restructuring. Why do you think that stance changed.

The North is like a frog in a beaker of cold water over a lit burner. Don't overestimate your reach, you will not turn any Southern region to Somalia and Nigeria would still stand. The NE is already a Somalia. Comedian!

And btw, did you read Wike's declaration?

"We are Rivers people and we belong to the Niger Delta"

-Lord

please ipob are coward if they did not do their worst. I repeat it has nothing to do with northern gov or northerners. You can only turn your region to Somalia, northeast is an example.

You can do nothing about restructuring except if the northern representative want it (meaning senators and reps)

Rilwayne001:
After bursting your bubble?
You are trying to make it seem like you have sense, trust me, you still don't, but you surely will.

You can check it clearly it is a response to that. If that is what I meant, you know me well I will not change it but rather defend it.

But let me just leave you, it seems you're hungry.

Apparently if you had sense, it wouldn't be tough for you to see that this matter is not about southwest alone, rather it's about the Yoruba race, of which Kwara state is part of.

Again go back to your Kano thread, this matter does not concern you one bit.

I said it you're hungry. Please go back to the first first post that we quoted me.

You said we south west people don't ..... I don't know for southeast or As etc "


Now you're bursted u change tune to Yoruba not we south west.

Rilwayne001:
Lol, where are you getting this nonsense from?

I don't know about south south and south east bu here in southwest, we have no problem.

Abeg commit 4 road to collect Kwara from your Fulani masters

Rilwayne001:
You see why I said you don't have sense yet?

Pray tell, how does Kwara being geographically a northern State makes them a Fulani slave as you earlier state?

That statement was just to anger you, in a response to your statement of "Aboki go to Kano thread"

My first post is what I am referring to, neva chuk mouth on SW matter because Kwara is not southwest.

FTrebirth:
protests for change or for referendum are allowed in every democratic states.

Yes but not by threatening to burn the country. Threatening to cut the president head.

And also not by hoisting flag, calling it Biafra land while it is still Nigeria and daring the police to come and arrest you.

shebi it's the same dictatorial buhari known to defy laws and orders of the court or another one? do you think he was joking with that "non-negotiable" utterance? why are military now monitoring nigerians on social media for hate speeches?

I believe if national assembly input restructuring into the constitution, he can do nothing about it. He can reject it but after fail 3 attempt it becomes law.

since when did military start doing police jobs in a democratic setting? i must admit nnamdi kanu made several hate speeches and should be arrested and locked up for it, but why deny their right to agitate for secession is my question. why arrest people for carrying or putting on biafra insignias? if ipob folds up today on account of nnamdi kanu's vituperous utterances, are you saying that should be the end of biafra agitation?

KANU have been disgracing police while protesting in the street. KANU claim any police that come go Biafra land to arrest him and leave alive then he knows it is not Ipob.

Secondly soldiers did not come for Nnamdi KANU but to exercise, ipob block there way to KANU street. Why?

Is it only Ipob in the east, don't we have other groups? Do they behave like KANU?

Whosoever is agitating has to agitate within the law. When election come vote representatives that are sympathetic to the Biafra agitation.

again, it's buhari's tenure and no one can predict what he can do with his military might.

Rejected. You cannot accuse him based on your assumption.

Rilwayne001:
You will certainly know when you have sense and embrace reality.

Is there any reality than Kwara being geographically and politically among the one monolithic northern States.

And if you doubt ask any representative of the south to sponsor a bill that may affect Kwara negatively and see how the northern reps with 1 voice will rule it out.

Stricker321:
Like he said, the only advantage you have is the disunity in the south. If the south should unite as one and say restructure Nigeria or we pull out let me see what you guys can do.

Even when you're united, a united north will always defeat you.

haffaze777:
nothing like that in Yoruba land,am from family of four, we have two Muslims and two Christians so according to myopic view of op,is he telling me dat I will hate my sisters because they are Christians or they will hate me because am Muslim

That is not possible. You cannot hate them.

^^^ Tell us how are you going to achieve that? May be through coup d'état if not via good presentable argument. Else forget about it.

FTrebirth:
so, you haven't heard that wearing biafran insignias is now a crime in nigeria?

Of course it is a crime when Nigeria is still a sovereign state.

or maybe you didn't get it when buhari said nigeria's unity is non-negotiable?

The same Buhari in the same speech Stated that national assembly is there to take care of everything. If national assembly restructure Nigeria then who is Buhari a one man?

or when buratai said the military will not tolerate secessionist movement under his and buhari's tenure?

He is very right, never again. Why should the military tolerate group that preaches hate, threatening to burn down the country. Not even America the largest democracy will accept that.

the FG is trying to bring a total clampdown on any agitations for secession from any part of the country. the military invasion of nnamdi kanu's residence recently under the guise of "python dance" exercise was not only to send a warning to ipob but also to the rising YOLICUM group from the southwest.

open your eyes.

Can the FG clampdown agitations that are channelled via the national assembly?

Rilwayne001:
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Aboki, please shut up and go to your Kano thread.

Afonja have you collected Kwara from your Fulani masters?

Nigeria is 1 before the oil boom. The west, north and east have their premiers before some ethnotribalistic fanatics and selfish people murdered the Nigerian prime minister and all other religional leaders except their sons.

They abolished the then constitution and established a unitary system of government that brought us where we are today. This is topic for another day.

Back to the matter (in airtel customer care voice)

In as far as you have the right to clamour for restructuring, you have no right whatsoever to force it on people. It is democratic world, therefore those who rejected restructuring are only expressing their fundamental right within the ambit of the law.

You can call the north parasite this and that but you cannot force it. It is a government of the people, by the people and for the people.

If you cannot convince people with good arguments to accept what you desire for then you will continue to be the slave you all claim to be.

I want every zone to stand on it own so we can see the real parasite but some northern leaders don't want it.

The average northerner doesn't even know what you're saying because all he hears from you is insult and that is exactly the reason he will vote anything against you without thinking twice.

You should convince pple to accept but you cannot force them.

I know some pple will type trash below that the president should give us referendum. Those pple are nothing but fools, referendum start with your representatives be it state assemblies or national assemblies. Only when it is in the constitution then we can even talk of it.

haffaze777:
both you and op are on a long thing,nothing like Yoruba Christian and Yoruba Muslim here in southwest

I don't know whether it exist or not in reality but the op created it and my reply will be based on his assumptions.

He may be true about the Yoruba Muslim tins

Rilwayne001:
Lol, where are you getting this nonsense from?

I don't know about south south and south east bu here in southwest, we have no problem.

Are you doubting it. Yoruba Muslim will be 25% in the south.

You have not read the thread but you have come into conclusion. I am talking of south not southwest.

Also you should never chok ur mouth wen SW pple are talking bcuz you're from the north.

Alcatraz005:
They are all intertwined. Do you deny that we have a problem in the Country? I get really tired of trying to educate my brothers. This is a real apprehension. Some of us see the future. I hated igbos before but I now realize that they are important for the existential welfare of Yoruba Christians.

Yoruba Christian. Likewise the Yoruba Muslim see the important of the north for their welfare.

Otherwise the south will be 75% Christian vs 25% Muslims

Alcatraz005:
Don't try and twist it like that. The main fear is the North. I am trying to make my brothers see reason for a stronger south. Their body language and silence is loud and ominous hence my call to reason.

Double mouth. Now it is we in the North you fear. A stronger south will see a marginalization of the Muslim. Just like u fear, they also fear.

Alcatraz005:
Goke, you are a reasonable man but you are being selfish in this discussion. The way I write, does it cross your mind that I am an illiterate? I have all the skills to be what I want to be in the 21st
Century. What you are not getting is that there is apprehension in the minds of so many Christians that they would be islamised. Do you know how scared an average Christian is when it crossed his heart that we have Islamic extremists amongst us? How do you think an erratic character like Donald Trump won the 2016 US elections? It was the fear of the Christians for Muslims who had been emboldened by Barack Obama's pro Islamic policies.

Likewise, the resurgence of state backed religious violence in the North and now all over Nigeria is making millions of Christians afraid. You are talking of tapping into IT and leaving politics. I dare state that anybody that leaves politics to others will pay dearly for it.

You might call me a bigot but whenever I see a girl with hijab, I get scared because she might have a bomb there. This is the genuine fear of Christians worldwide and it is nobody's fault but the adherent of the other faith. They have not done much to curb terrorism. The reason why FFK, Fayose and NK are so powerful is because they speak to protect the rights of so many millions of Christians in Nigeria who have suffered esp under this government. The present administration has shown clearly that it is pro north/Islam and people have the right to be suspicious and apprehensive.

I would vote a Fayose over Pastor Yemi Osinbajo any day as I know that Fayose would be radical in protecting my faith. It is the way Donald Trump would win a 2nd time even if he keeps bumbling in the White House.

Americans vote for Clinton not trump. Go and check. It was only the so called electoral college that give the presidency to trump.

Clinton beat trump hands down.

You can vote for fayose but u will definitely lose

Alcatraz005:
My bro FriendNG, I can state it categorically that at the heart for the calls for restructuring is the fear of majority Christians that there is a sinister Northern agenda to islamised the country. You really do not know the fear of an average Christian. Nigeria must remain secular and tilt towards any religion or we restructure immediately. This is not about hate but fear for our freedoms. I remain resolute on my point.

That is only the work of political pastors especially during 2015.

There are more Christians than Muslims in Buhari cabinet. Take the list of his ministers And see. A man who did not Islamize a country under military rule is now doing it under democracy?


You have clearly stated restructuring is a Christian agenda, then why should Yoruba Muslim accept it? Do you want to Christianize them.

Today a Muslim is ruling this country, you have cooked up many lies and many of you have been brainwashed to believe in lies.


Remember after Muslim rule, then it will be Christian. How do you expect people like Ffk, Fayose to stand before Kaduna, katsina, etc and campaign for any of their candidate ?

Any candidate who choose them as campaigners have automatically lose the northern vote, also the new Yoruba Muslim votes that you have created.

Alcatraz005:
You know the North will not allow it so why deceiving ourselves. We need to be combative to get it but would our Muslim brothers join us?

I don't think your Muslim brothers will join you especially with this type of threads. They may rather join us in the north.

Your thread will only give reason for Yoruba Muslim that restructuring is a Christian agenda. The moment you put religion in to it then you have failed.

Alcatraz005 I am very disappointed by what you write. You have buy the propaganda of "they want to Islamize Nigeria"


What happen to Shiites in Zaria is more worst than what happen to ipobs. They were also lebelled as illegal and unlawful group. Does that end the Shiites religion? No it only put sense into their group activities.

Fulani herdsmen? Which one should be called terrorist now. Please answer me.

Fulani as a tribe should be called terrorist and be arrested anywhere they are caught or herdsmen that rear cattle. Any person that rear cattle moving around from one region to another is a terrorist and should be arrested.

What is wrong with you

Was Igbo tribe proscribed? Was Biafra proscribed?

Only a group was proscribed, massoab is still very much alive.

If there is any association of herdsmen or group that support evil, then they can be proscribed but not a tribe or a trade.

Boko haram are mostly kanuri looking for Islamic state. Neither kanuri tribe nor sharia law was proscribed but rather the illegal group itself.

LordAdam:
Apologize for what?

Why do you think the Northern govs are running around like headless chickens? They know how dangerous the hand they've dealt is. Or do you think IPOB would just fizzle out when tens of thousands of their members are outside the shores of the country?

All of this is an attempt to stifle the calls for restructuring and it'd fail.

-Lord

Chest beater, your chest no dey pain you??

Let Ipob do worst. Do you think it will affect the northern governors or the northeners? It will end in your region while the army turn it into somalia.

dechriscool:
Peace is supreme and I hope these northerners wil l sustain this peace request if any southerners become president.In case of President Buhari not making it to the end of his tenure.

And I hope Southerners will learn from this and stop the hate. Losing an election is not = hate.

HiddenShadow:
Go underground and reemerge stronger with a different tactics to neutralize the military in all regions of Nigeria


Then force Nigeria to either accept Restructuring or Disintegration

Your chest no dey pain u?

HiddenShadow:
IPOB is beyond Kanu

Kanu will speak at the appointed time

Look at you. Ipob is now beyond KANU.

Look at this illiterate fool. Arewa is a Hausa word which means north.
So what is wrong of being a northerner and a Nigerian.

Look at this illiterate fool. Arewa is a Hausa word which means north.
So what is wrong of being a northerner and a Nigerian.