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not only that. their DOCTORS have high DEBT from studying medicine. It takes time to pay back. so they can not RUN AWAY.
EVEN if they run away, can you AFFORD THEM? their yearly school fees is around 20 million NAIRA. their working conditions I think are the same. high stress, zero sleep.

DrFunmisticGlow:
they lock their doctors with juicy pay and better working conditions.

na LIE. even if doctors from advance nations go, can you PAY THEM?
THEY always come back!
nigerians like to think like ducks, that's why THEY ARE RUNNING AWAY, instead of trying to solve the problems.

DrFunmisticGlow:
their doctors still runaway o. All their PLAB slots were booked for the rest of the year within 4 hours.

I have given you one of the answers. Look, the advance countries lock their DOCTORS. THEY ARE not shithole countries

georgeiyke009:
Make them stay then by whatever lock you intend. And then we can see how that works. Ghana is not Nigeria. Their people are timid and not really resourceful. Which other country "locks" a particular profession from travelling anywhere in the world apart from shithole countries? Do you not understand that it will simply make very bright people to not bother studying the course at all? Even if medicine and surgery courses are free but you fail to pay a living wage, people will still leave. Solution is to pay a wage that makes sense. They can go to a different country or simply refuse to practise and go into something else. Also enact a law that must force them to practise at all if they do not want to.

Like i said you are welcome to try. History has shown that in matters like this only a "carrot" works.

there is a problem. but I agree the fees and current compensation structure is on par. so it is GREED!

to know the problem, go back to what NGIGE said. He said, they can go, we have many DOCTORS!

IT MEANS, we can produce many DOCTORS CHEAPLY following the subsidised fee structure. but the main PROBLEM, is the occupation structure is not FLEXIBLE. IT IS the same problem with lecturers that teach in many federal UNIVERSITIES and also teaching in private UNIVERSITIES. the government is trying to restrict THEM. I think the government is not smart. THEY should make it easy for those that want to open private CLINICS to do so, so they can EARN more!

georgeiyke009:
There is none. You Re the one thinking there is. The school fees for the course and current compensation structure are at par, so the FG is doing no one any favors.

They are free agents and can decide to take their skills elsewhere.

sort of. rich kids can afford prep lessons. poor kids can not.
but most of the medical doctors you see, are from well-of families. that's the point.

ahiboilandgas:
says who....admitted poor kids get students loans to pay fees while rich kids parents absorbs the fees ....

so what is the actual problem?

georgeiyke009:
Subsidise bawo.

Your economy is not structured to cater for that.

If you take out the subsidy and pay 25million base salary, people will pay those high amounts. The 2 go hand in hand. Also have structures for student loans.

Having a high paying fee course in Nigeria with the current working conditions and salary structures for Doctors will make it very bad investment. I will advise my wards to study something else.

Back to square one. We all know what the actual problem is but choose to play ostrich. The world economy for talent has gone global.

Compete on the world stage or die.

In the Western countries, na rich kids go to med school. hahahha

ahiboilandgas:
then 90 percent of doctors will be now mechanics ....cos it only rick kids that will attend med school...

you are TWISTING the facts. In Western countries, you pay $50k per year to study medicine. That's like N20 million naira per year.

In Nigeria, someone even said her sister paid about N80k every year to study medicine. That's subsidised education.
Ask yourself why anyone will pay $50k per year and want N140k per month salary. There's no sense there. In Western countries, even their medical graduates only start to make enough after years of low salaries. There is a psychology lock that was designed for a reason. As always, we are dullards in Nigeria. We are ruled by Dullards that used to cheat and fail in classrooms.

140k per month take home salary is enough. the doctors just want to RECEIVE PAY ACCUSTOMED TO what they perceive as an occupation that should be respected. WE have this foolish I want to be KING attitude. You must have 12 servants. an houseboy to wash your car. a dog to smash your Orange into JUICE. How much does TOP doctors make? If they don't like it, open your Private CLINIC! The reason they runaway, is because we don't have that LOCK.

Ghana government realised this, that's why they have a new POLICY AFTER investing and subsidising the medical studies of their citizens. They don't want them to emigrate after a few years. If I were these DOCTORS, I would open a PRIVATE CLINIC. That way, you can earn more!

But because Nigerians are foolish, especially specialised occupantions like MEDICINE, we take the FIRST option: RUNAWAY and EMIGRATE.

georgeiyke009:
Let me ask you.

If you are asked to $50k to study medicine each year for 6 years and then when you graduate, you are paid 140k take home per month with the attendant delays in payment, would you do that?

The amount of money paid as school fees is commensurate with the salary and working structure for doctors. Raise the fees and also raise the salary to world standards. People will even borrow money to fund it.

so she dey say Dr. Paul Orhii allowed the laboratories to ROT?

they are RUBBER TYRES.

I no AGREE. THEY WILL still relocate if government does not begin to UNDERSTAND they are subsidising this movement. Where else will they go for CHEAP MEDICAL education without strict conditions? tell me.

To enter med school, is not an easy feat, so we expect those that make it, to be the best anyway. The REASONS given so far is salary is not enough, this is not enough. It is all GREED.
EVEN if government increase salary, can it stop THE RELOCATION? NO!
greedy people go for the HIGHEST BIDDER.

georgeiyke009:
I calculated per year. Since you feel so strongly, u can go to school and study medicine since its a cake walk and graduate then come and collect 200k as salary. No matter how you rant on here, Doctors will still relocate. When u put all those stupid conditions on the course, they wiol simply go and study it elsewhere. Also realise that the UK also go for the cream of the doctors. You will be left with those that barely made it out of med school. Your bitterness and anger are better directed at those that gave rise to the situation in the first instance.

all these na GREED!

pmoye:
'Worth' for all practical purposes is determined by what your training and skill set will attract in other countries.

Perhaps you can ask also:

"How much are primary/secondary school teachers worth?" Is it the 30k-50k or so they are being paid? By the way many of them hold a bachelors degree.
"How much are university teachers worth?" Is it the 120k or so that PhD holders are being paid? By the way you get PhD after MSc which you get after first degrees including MBBS.
"How much are our lawyers worth?" Is it the 30k-50k many of them are being paid? By the way after a 5-year bachelors degree, they still have to undergo law school training which on the average costs betweek 300k to 500k.

Needless to say, the list is endless, and all these categories of people are paid infinitely much more than anything Nigeria is offering them.

what other country is practicing this besides UK?

THERE MUST be a motive to this UK POLICY.

topboss:
IT IS THE BEST WAY TO STOP THE FLIGHT OF HEATH PROFESSIONAL IN THE SHORT TERM.


UK ALREADY GAVE MANY VISA AND WAITING TO RECEIVE THEM.

aso rock is out of reach.
aso rock is the PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS. HE SHOULD FIX IT and start CASTRATING THOSE cmds.

topboss:
AISHA BUHARI VISITED ASO ROCK CLINIC, SHE SHOUTED, THAT NOT EVEN A SINGLE SYRINGE WAS IN THERE.



ARE U FOLLOWING.

and did she RUN AWAY too?

martineverest:
haaa....my sister paid Les than 80k cumulatively for 6years of medical study in federal university.thatsvkess than 250 dollars compared to what Americans and Europeans pay

hahahahahaahhahaha.

na smartphone worth more than human live. the world dey go down soakaway soon!

kowalsky:
How the hell is 200k with he current inflation rate of this country enough?

200k is just about $450.

That money cannot even buy a top of the line smartphone.

it is because of GREED. DO YOU know why a MAN decides leave his WIFE and marry another instead of looking for solution to the problem?
It is EASY to marry another. but for DOCTORS, to say it is EASY TO LEAVE to another country, then their EDUCATION IS poor. they are NOT USING THEIR BRAINS and education to solve the PROBLEM IN THEIR OCCUPATION.

I will never EMPLOY THOSE DOCTORS. they are what we call THROWAWAYS! put them in the frontline of the WAR. if they die, who CARES!

tufiakwa!

Leopantro:
Exactly why the doctors and nurses and everyone else is leaving.
Isn't it funny?

is that all?
only those countries.

Can you learn Finnish? That language is even more complicated than Russian.
to study there you must understand Finnish... education is free

kowalsky:
Finland. Norway. Sweden

then the health minister should change it.
start enforcing health standards.

topboss:
I DON TALK MY OWN.


SOME OF THE HOSPITALS THESE DOCTORS HAVE TO WORK IN ARE DESPICABLE.


EVEN OUR HEALTH MINISTER VISITED AND SHOUTED THAT HE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS THIS BAD.


THAT IS BECOS THEY ALL GO ABROAD.


POLITICIANS ARE THE PROBLEM OF THIS COUNTRY.

and how much are these DOCTORS worth?

pmoye:
If anyone wants to leave, let them leave.

Expand the primary care to include more allied healthcare professionals and ad hoc staff. Introduce certification courses (1-3 years) that individuals with natural and life science university/polytechnic education such as microbiology, zoology, botany, biochemistry, science laboratory technology etc can undertake to make them function in certain basic areas of health... Most of the health burden in the country concerns basic complaints and illnesses like malaria, minor skin infections, candidiasis and the likes... Nigeria should leverage on graduates with degrees in life sciences, train them to attend to these basic areas of care.. These specially certified individuals will not practice alone but will be affiliated with specially accredited pharmacies, nursing homes, medical laboratories etc that will function as special primary health care units... And as a rule disallow these basic conditions from being handled at the tertiary health facilities who will only attend to emergencies and referrals.

We have special situations in Nigeria and we should stop copying the rich countries in the way we do things. The fact is, Nigeria cannot afford to pay any one (doctors, etc) what they are worth. We all claim that we are rich as a country, I hate to burst your bubbles by telling you that even as a country we are miserably poor. Check our GDP/revenues, and compare the figures with what some mega corporations like Apple (not even countries now) make. We are phucking poor, and that's for a fact. And the only way to get out of that is for the Nigerian economy to become well-suited and conducive for private businesses. Paying professionals millions will not solve our problem, it will simply deepen the cycle of nonsense.

Oh, that I know.

They we should start CASTRATING these greedy DOCTORS than run away when they are needed the most!

topboss:
DEY GET BRITISH CITIZENSHIP.

U ARE NOT GETTING IT RIGHT.

NIGERIA LOSS IS BRITISH GAIN.

hhahahahaahahhahahahahahhahahahah.

then the house BURNS and you LOSE EVERYTHING.

Leopantro:
At a certain point, you throw in the towel and start afresh

like the way those NPOWER applicants collect money and no show up!

ahiboilandgas:
we are not against doctor been rich or poor ....doctors can come together and set up private practices and charge their millions and buy private jets......but doctor trained by our collective tax contributions must not run to the uk is like duping tax payers .....acess bank trains graduate on a 2 m naira bond or 2 years .....so public doctor must sign bonds to be admitted to public school run by public tax......

what does this have to do with POLITICS?
POLITICS and science do not MIX.

even if you GIVE the greediest DOG the best meat, it will never be ENOUGH.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND that?

topboss:
THE ONLY THING THAT CAN STOP DOCTORS LEAVING NIGERIA IS BETTER HEALTH INFRASTRUCTURE, BETTER HOUSING, VARIOUS INCENTIVES AND BETTER MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE, WITH THEM IN CHARGE OF THEIR BUDGET AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE.



WE ARE WASTING MONEY ON NASS MEMBERS. DO WE REALLY NEED TWO CHAMBERS?



DEM JUST PACK FULL HOUSE THEY COLLECT MORE MONEY AND LOOT, WHILST NIGERIA GOES DOWN.

which advanced country has free medical education?
Germany? you must still pay some funds.

kowalsky:
Stop using America as a generalization for the rest of the world!

There are many 'advanced' countries where medical degrees are close to free of charge

OUR politician say the same thing and they are still LOOTING!

Uncleodi:
You are pained because you are not a Doctor.
Go and buy jamb form and study Medicine and tell me how you will survive with 140k per month.

You want to remain a tenant for life abi? You won't buy car or by land to build your personal house.

A nice camry will cost like 3million naira and you have to save for 3 years to buy it when Doctors abroad that have the same brain like you can afford that within 3 months.

No Doctor is greedy, it is the society that puts alot of pressure on us.. #Rethink

to CATCH a liar, let him keep talking until he makes a big mistake.

so this is just GREED for money. That's how they catch you GREEDY doctors!
now the GOVERNMENT must disavow those doctors that emigrate and REVOKE their nigeran citizens.

Onlinebar:
Dude what's your problem with doctors wanting a better life??

if it is higher in private school, is it not cheaper in public ones?
But DOCTORS from public schools work with those from private ones. What is the difference? They take the same MEDICAL licensure exams. Only the prepared one passes the exam regardless of quality of education!

PerfectlyPerfect:
You pay higher for the higher quality of education. The cost of studying medicine in a private school is higher than that in public schools. Everything is related to the quality of education.

then this is PERSONALITY problem. the DOCTOR does not know how to say NO to people.
I assume the DOCTOR send his or her children to private schools. The fees should not be more than 50k per term. Or is it 1 million for you??

UbongCR7:
Which school fees be 50k per term?
Among people that donate in your church, how many of them are doctors?
Everyone wants to eat from the doctor.

As a doctor, go to the bar with your friends, all man go say doctor dn come, him go pay.

Things are difficult generally for everyone in Nigeria, so if any doctor or any other professional wants to leave the country, (s)he should leave.

No d blackmail person here.

this is WHY non of our MEDICAL SCIENTISTS AND SPECIALISTS are working on a corona cure!
non are working on research.
the HOUSE is burning, and they are running away, instead of looking for WATER.
SO WHY did the government train them?

UbongCR7:
Nigeria is sinking sir.
Few of us still want to stay though, but if things get very bad, people dn leave.

if the HOUSE they burn, will you RUN AWAY or look for WATER to fight the FIRE?

answer that!

Leopantro:
So true, you are right.

Poor, poor Nigerians doctors
Going to place in the front line fighting a pandemic where they will be paid on time, better infrastructure and electricity, better appreciation, better medical facilities where even the Nigerian president and family members attend.
They should have stayed back in Nigeria, where their minister said they will be better off being tailors.
Poor poor Nigerian doctors

stop lying!
all those CHINESE doctors that TREAT corona why in china cities. very few were in US or UK.

do the internet search on salaries. chinese doctors complain of low pay but they are not GREEDY.
THE most greediest people are always on the LOWEST rug in the world. they are too greedy. and that's BLACK. that's why pastor OYAKHILOME was saying BLACK is bad.

georgeiyke009:
Post their salaries so we can compare. Besides Chinese are everywhere in the world including UK so they are actually migrating. They have a bigger population so the net effect is negligible.