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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by ahiboilandgas: 10:23am On Aug 26, 2020
topboss:



No 'single syringe' in Aso Rock clinic, says First Lady


https://www.pulse.ng/news/local/aisha-buhari-no-single-syringe-in-aso-rock-clinic-says-first-lady/p4lr4l7









https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHhmxQSgwmM&list=ULqARI86CngOk&index=680
how many springes has she donated from her foundations? Since 2015 to date ...abi is flying presidential jets and complaining...she can do a 5m naira fund raising to buy 50000 syringnes ....national hosptial was built by maryam Abacha...

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by topboss: 10:25am On Aug 26, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
how many springes has she donated from her foundations? Since 2015 to date ...abi is flying presidential jets and complaining...she can do a 5m naira fund raising to buy 50000 syringnes ....national hosptial was built by maryam Abacha...


AT LEAST CORONA VIRUS FORCED THEM TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES.




SHE JUST RETURN FROM MEDICAL TRIP ABROAD.

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 10:25am On Aug 26, 2020
Elsueno:
undecided

When my younger bros graduates from the university. I will pay for every single exam and anything required for him to leave this hell hole, as a doctor he needs to go where he will be valued. In that regard am ready to help him 100%
So u can start feeling entitled to his money later on in life?
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by martineverest(m): 10:26am On Aug 26, 2020
mmsen:


They aren't "appreciated" there either.

Medical professionals the world over have been complaining about their treatmqnt during the pandemic, lack of equipment and poor management.

It's just that the pay is better.
just leave them alone...our doctors were on holiday during Corona..while foreign ones were overworked tirelessly.they think it's going to be heavenly practicing medicine abroad..they mistakes they escape with while practicing medicine in naija will land them in jail if hey make such mistake

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 10:29am On Aug 26, 2020
I calculated per year. And you conveniently left out fuel or transportation feeding, nanny fees, maid fees, creche, hospital appointments, car maintenance e.t.c.

Since you feel so strongly, u , your family and friends can go to school and study medicine since its a cake walk and graduate then come and collect 200k as salary. No matter how you rant on here, Doctors will still relocate. When u put all those stupid conditions on the course, they will simply go and study it elsewhere. Plus paying 20m a year for 5 years for a salary of 1.6m a year when you r not even sure the salary will come and very crazy working environments is not exactly a wise investment.

Also realise that the UK also go for the cream of the doctors. You will be left with those that barely made it out of med school.

Your bitterness and anger are better directed at those that gave rise to the situation in the first instance.

Point of correction, I am in IT. My investments comfortably net me 200k monthly without working. Just an idea. 200k is slave money for the kind of work Doctors do.

frog12:
this is HOW we catch you people. 1.6m is about 140k a month. 600k annual rent is about 55k a month. you are left with 100k a month after deductions. child school fees and the others is only per term, so let's say 50k a term, so that's 100k a year per child. you are left with 1.1m.

what else? utilities na nonsense you dey talk. who pays 100k a month for light? water is free. security? YOU BE king?
you see, you DOCTORS want to live like KINGS. THAT'S THE main problem. you have ENOUGH money. it's is only GREED that's behind this.



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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by angelina08(f): 10:30am On Aug 26, 2020
If all the doctors migrate who go remain?
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by topboss: 10:31am On Aug 26, 2020
MY MISSION ON THIS EARTH IS TO END POLITICS IN NIGERIA.




SO HELP ME GOD!




WEN I GO COME OUT, THEY GIVE THE PROPONENTS WHY NIGERIA AND AFRICA DONT NEED POLITICS, I AM SURE PEOPLE WILL FIRST CALL ME A MAD MAN, BUT LATER THEM GO UNDERSTAND.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 10:33am On Aug 26, 2020
I no AGREE. THEY WILL still relocate if government does not begin to UNDERSTAND they are subsidising this movement. Where else will they go for CHEAP MEDICAL education without strict conditions? tell me.

To enter med school, is not an easy feat, so we expect those that make it, to be the best anyway. The REASONS given so far is salary is not enough, this is not enough. It is all GREED.
EVEN if government increase salary, can it stop THE RELOCATION? NO!
greedy people go for the HIGHEST BIDDER.



georgeiyke009:
I calculated per year. Since you feel so strongly, u can go to school and study medicine since its a cake walk and graduate then come and collect 200k as salary. No matter how you rant on here, Doctors will still relocate. When u put all those stupid conditions on the course, they wiol simply go and study it elsewhere. Also realise that the UK also go for the cream of the doctors. You will be left with those that barely made it out of med school. Your bitterness and anger are better directed at those that gave rise to the situation in the first instance.


Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by martineverest(m): 10:35am On Aug 26, 2020
chiol:


Government needs to sit-up. Our laws need to be reviewed urgently to meet the current realities. We cannot be subsidizing our education for other countries. If it must be subsidized, then you must work in the country for a certain number of years before you can migrate.

Alternatively, we remove the subsidy and use the money saved to improve on our standards - improving our educational standards, equipping our hospitals and taking care of the staff welfare. This is what most countries, even Ghana here does. Imagine Ghana taxing foreigners a million dollars to have a shop. This is just to preserve the businesses for their citizens.
u said it all
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 10:36am On Aug 26, 2020
PerfectlyPerfect:

Government doesn't subsidize the training of doctors. I don't know where you got that from. Their tuition fees are one of the highest in the Nigerian educational system. The reason why Nigerian doctors are favored abroad is because they still have to write and pass stringent exams despite our terrible academic system and so when they come abroad they tend to do great. There was once a news here on nairaland about a doctor who used slippers to make a neck brace. Only a Nigerian doctor can improvise with such ingenuity.
You don't know what you are saying.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by hairdeals247(f): 10:37am On Aug 26, 2020
This is not good
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 10:39am On Aug 26, 2020
No one. Cuz Nigerians do not care. If we did, those are the kind of things that should be trending.

angelina08:
If all the doctors migrate who go remain?
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Emmanuelolu1000: 10:42am On Aug 26, 2020
Hmmm. Design your business logo for 2000naira. If interested, check my signature. Thank you!
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 10:44am On Aug 26, 2020
Subsidise bawo.

Your economy is not structured to cater for that.

If you take out the subsidy and pay 25million base salary, people will pay those high amounts. The 2 go hand in hand. Also have structures for student loans.

Having a high paying fee course in Nigeria with the current working conditions and salary structures for Doctors will make it very bad investment. I will advise my wards to study something else.

Back to square one. We all know what the actual problem is but choose to play ostrich. The world economy for talent has gone global.

Compete on the world stage or die.


martineverest:
u said it all
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by BigotMan(m): 10:47am On Aug 26, 2020
dre11:

"Our problem is not education because when we go to saner climes..."

thank god u said saner climes because where ther are moving from is insane

Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 10:50am On Aug 26, 2020
Let me ask you.

If you are asked to $50k to study medicine each year for 6 years and then when you graduate, you are paid 140k take home per month with the attendant delays in payment, would you do that?

The amount of money paid as school fees is commensurate with the salary and working structure for doctors. Raise the fees and also raise the salary to world standards. People will even borrow money to fund it.




frog12:
I no AGREE. THEY WILL still relocate if government does not begin to UNDERSTAND they are subsidising this movement. Where else will they go for CHEAP MEDICAL education without strict conditions? tell me.

To enter med school, is not an easy feat, so we expect those that make it, to be the best anyway. The REASONS given so far is salary is not enough, this is not enough. It is all GREED.
EVEN if government increase salary, can it stop THE RELOCATION? NO!
greedy people go for the HIGHEST BIDDER.



Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by ahiboilandgas: 10:53am On Aug 26, 2020
topboss:



AT LEAST CORONA VIRUS FORCED THEM TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES.




SHE JUST RETURN FROM MEDICAL TRIP ABROAD.
she didnt go for medical trip...she went to shop for hér daughter wedding on the 4 th ....she a very insincere woman and want to decive the public
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by ahiboilandgas: 10:55am On Aug 26, 2020
georgeiyke009:
Let me ask you.

If you are asked to $50k to study medicine each year for 6 years and then when you graduate, you are paid 140k take home per month with the attendant delays in payment, would you do that?

The amount of money paid as school fees is commensurate with the salary and working structure for doctors. Raise the fees and also raise the salary to world standards. People will even borrow money to fund it.




then 90 percent of doctors will be now mechanics ....cos it only rick kids that will attend med school...
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by ahiboilandgas: 10:58am On Aug 26, 2020
georgeiyke009:
Subsidise bawo.

Your economy is not structured to cater for that.

If you take out the subsidy and pay 25million base salary, people will pay those high amounts. The 2 go hand in hand. Also have structures for student loans.

Having a high paying fee course in Nigeria with the current working conditions and salary structures for Doctors will make it very bad investment. I will advise my wards to study something else.

Back to square one. We all know what the actual problem is but choose to play ostrich. The world economy for talent has gone global.

Compete on the world stage or die.


wrong analysis.....how much do doctors earn in regginton....
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by MajorOvakporaye(f): 11:03am On Aug 26, 2020
GoodofNaija:
Before nko

Who likes to be under a cow-romancing govt

Even many zombies will grab the opportunity grin

Lol cheesy

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 11:04am On Aug 26, 2020
you are TWISTING the facts. In Western countries, you pay $50k per year to study medicine. That's like N20 million naira per year.

In Nigeria, someone even said her sister paid about N80k every year to study medicine. That's subsidised education.
Ask yourself why anyone will pay $50k per year and want N140k per month salary. There's no sense there. In Western countries, even their medical graduates only start to make enough after years of low salaries. There is a psychology lock that was designed for a reason. As always, we are dullards in Nigeria. We are ruled by Dullards that used to cheat and fail in classrooms.

140k per month take home salary is enough. the doctors just want to RECEIVE PAY ACCUSTOMED TO what they perceive as an occupation that should be respected. WE have this foolish I want to be KING attitude. You must have 12 servants. an houseboy to wash your car. a dog to smash your Orange into JUICE. How much does TOP doctors make? If they don't like it, open your Private CLINIC! The reason they runaway, is because we don't have that LOCK.

Ghana government realised this, that's why they have a new POLICY AFTER investing and subsidising the medical studies of their citizens. They don't want them to emigrate after a few years. If I were these DOCTORS, I would open a PRIVATE CLINIC. That way, you can earn more!

But because Nigerians are foolish, especially specialised occupantions like MEDICINE, we take the FIRST option: RUNAWAY and EMIGRATE.



georgeiyke009:
Let me ask you.

If you are asked to $50k to study medicine each year for 6 years and then when you graduate, you are paid 140k take home per month with the attendant delays in payment, would you do that?

The amount of money paid as school fees is commensurate with the salary and working structure for doctors. Raise the fees and also raise the salary to world standards. People will even borrow money to fund it.




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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 11:06am On Aug 26, 2020
In the Western countries, na rich kids go to med school. hahahha
ahiboilandgas:
then 90 percent of doctors will be now mechanics ....cos it only rick kids that will attend med school...
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by onyxo76(m): 11:06am On Aug 26, 2020
very soon ,we would be left with chemist to run to.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by ahiboilandgas: 11:12am On Aug 26, 2020
frog12:
In the Western countries, na rich kids go to med school. hahahha
says who....admitted poor kids get students loans to pay fees while rich kids parents absorbs the fees ....

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by becky39000(m): 11:13am On Aug 26, 2020
OVB123:
I am sorry to say this: "Nigeria will never get better" the way the country is right now, it's only God that can serve us.

You Said it All !!!!
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by ursulajuls(f): 11:13am On Aug 26, 2020
Abeg, I need to japa to Saudi Arabia as a health worker. Any guidance will be appreciated.
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 11:16am On Aug 26, 2020
so what is the actual problem?




georgeiyke009:
Subsidise bawo.

Your economy is not structured to cater for that.

If you take out the subsidy and pay 25million base salary, people will pay those high amounts. The 2 go hand in hand. Also have structures for student loans.

Having a high paying fee course in Nigeria with the current working conditions and salary structures for Doctors will make it very bad investment. I will advise my wards to study something else.

Back to square one. We all know what the actual problem is but choose to play ostrich. The world economy for talent has gone global.

Compete on the world stage or die.


Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by frog12: 11:17am On Aug 26, 2020
sort of. rich kids can afford prep lessons. poor kids can not.
but most of the medical doctors you see, are from well-of families. that's the point.

ahiboilandgas:
says who....admitted poor kids get students loans to pay fees while rich kids parents absorbs the fees ....
Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by seunayantokun(m): 11:30am On Aug 26, 2020
martineverest:
student loan in highly subsided education?...come on,who does that?

your tuition fee is 15k in federal university and u still want student loan?
Just like you are right on that side, you also need to consider that Nigerian graduates have personal responsibility to stay out of poverty and pursue happiness. The political and economic climate of Nigeria doesn't guarantee that. They are supposed to give back to Nigeria....but give back in suffering, poverty and insecurity? Ought to presupposes sustained enablement.

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by DrFunmisticGlow: 11:30am On Aug 26, 2020
Yankee101:
You go were you are appreciated

I believe it's high time we begin to charge tuition on courses like Medicine or at the least have a minimum contribution you must make to your country before leaving

US doctors and lawyers have student loans of 200 to 500k USD after graduation
thid is a dumb post. They already charge tuition.

We also have a minimum contribution before leaving. It is called internship and NYSC.

Also if they want to charge tuition, they should charge tuition for all courses.

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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 11:30am On Aug 26, 2020
Make them stay then by whatever lock you intend. And then we can see how that works. Ghana is not Nigeria. Their people are timid and not really resourceful. Which other country "locks" a particular profession from travelling anywhere in the world apart from shithole countries? Do you not understand that it will simply make very bright people to not bother studying the course at all? Even if medicine and surgery courses are free but you fail to pay a living wage, people will still leave. Solution is to pay a wage that makes sense. They can go to a different country or simply refuse to practise and go into something else. Also enact a law that must force them to practise at all if they do not want to.

Like i said you are welcome to try. History has shown that in matters like this only a "carrot" works.


frog12:
you are TWISTING the facts. In Western countries, you pay $50k per year to study medicine. That's like N20 million naira per year.

In Nigeria, someone even said her sister paid about N80k every year to study medicine. That's subsidised education.
Ask yourself why anyone will pay $50k per year and want N140k per month salary. There's no sense there. In Western countries, even their medical graduates only start to make enough after years of low salaries. There is a psychology lock that was designed for a reason. As always, we are dullards in Nigeria. We are ruled by Dullards that used to cheat and fail in classrooms.

140k per month take home salary is enough. the doctors just want to RECEIVE PAY ACCUSTOMED TO what they perceive as an occupation that should be respected. WE have this foolish I want to be KING attitude. You must have 12 servants. an houseboy to wash your car. a dog to smash your Orange into JUICE. How much does TOP doctors make? If they don't like it, open your Private CLINIC! The reason they runaway, is because we don't have that LOCK.

Ghana government realised this, that's why they have a new POLICY AFTER investing and subsidising the medical studies of their citizens. They don't want them to emigrate after a few years. If I were these DOCTORS, I would open a PRIVATE CLINIC. That way, you can earn more!

But because Nigerians are foolish, especially specialised occupantions like MEDICINE, we take the FIRST option: RUNAWAY and EMIGRATE.



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Re: Doctors’ Exodus Looms As International Flights Resume This Week by Nobody: 11:32am On Aug 26, 2020
There is none. You Re the one thinking there is. The school fees for the course and current compensation structure are at par, so the FG is doing no one any favors.

They are free agents and can decide to take their skills elsewhere.

frog12:
so what is the actual problem?




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