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OLAADEGBU: That's a good observation. It is true that day and night happens simultaneously depending on the location. It is the evidence of a revolving earth. In Luke 17:34-36 we see that the 2nd Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ will happen while some are asleep at night and others are busy working during the day.

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left" (Luke 17:34-36).

The world revolves around the sun just as our world revolves around the Son.

striktlymi: Hello Gui,

Interesting thought and quite frankly, you are spot on...but considering that at the time of creation there was nothing like various continents at the time and the Earth was inhabited, I would say the ish of a constant day wouldn't arise then because even after the creation of the first man, what really mattered was the location of this man.

From the location of Adam, there was nothing like a constant day or night. It would be just night and day....Also, we have reasons to believe that there was just one supercontinent before the various continents slowly drifted away; and from that viewpoint, there might just be a unified night and day...just saying.

OLAADEGBU: What was the first thing God created and when was the sun created?

OLAADEGBU: That's a good observation. It is true that day and night happens simultaneously depending on the location. It is the evidence of a revolving earth. In Luke 17:34-36 we see that the 2nd Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ will happen while some are asleep at night and others are busy working during the day.

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left" (Luke 17:34-36).

The world revolves around the sun just as our world revolves around the Son.

Emusan: You get it wrong your initial argument was that Bible is not the word of God.

Anyhow you put it "Bible is the Word of God".

OLAADEGBU: The Meaning of "Day"
June 23, 2013

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Genesis 1:5).

Many people today, professing to believe the Bible, have compromised with the evolutionary philosophy which dominates our society by accepting its framework of geological ages. This system interpretes the rocks and fossils in terms of a supposed 4.6 billion-year history of the earth and life culminating in the evolution of early humans perhaps a million years ago. In order to justify this compromise, they usually say that the "days" of creation really correspond to the geological ages, arguing that the Hebrew word for "day" (yom) does not have to mean a literal solar day.

Oh, yes, it does—at least in Genesis chapter one! God, knowing that the pagan philosophers of antiquity would soon try to distort His record of creation into long ages of pantheistic evolution (as in the Babylonian, Egyptian, Greek, and other such ancient cosmogonies), was careful to define His terms! "God called the light Day," and that was the first day with its evening and morning. All subsequent days have followed the same pattern—a period of darkness (night), then a period of light (day).

One may quibble about the exact length of the day if he insists (e.g., equatorial days versus polar days), but there is no way this definition can accommodate a geological age. This is the very first reference to "day" (or yom) in the Bible, and this is given as an actual statement of the meaning of the word.

This ought to settle the question for anyone who really believes the Bible. One may decide to believe the evolutionary geologists if he wishes, instead of God, but he should at least let God speak for Himself. God says the days of creation were literal days, not ages. "In six days the LORD made heaven and earth" (Exodus 31:17). HMM

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Emusan: Yes! They believe He was not the king they were expecting but He proved it to them many times. They same Jews that rejected Him later some finally believe and repent.



Yes! It was introduced to me and I found it complete by the help of God.

Please just give me a reason why I need to read those books that was not in the Bible?


It will look silly to think God's word was all written in 66 books, does it mean God stop talking to people after after the revelations of John? Put away setiment and think straight.



The Old Testament has been put together before Jesus was born that's what gave them idea of compile the New Testament.



I can see the reason why you're hurt in spirit to reject Bible as the word of God.

Why can't you continue to call Quran the word of God. Afterall many Christians have change to Muslim likewise Muslim to Christian.


Must everybody accept Quran? After some people have change to Islam.



Good! May God continue to shine His light on us.

Shallom!

Emusan: How did you know the word of God claim all these?

Then you can see the reason why I said I don't need any other book than that 66 books because all these are also inside this 66 books.

My question is if the Word of God is Truth, Love and Righteousness. Are you obeying the word of God?

Emusan: Like @Tolu has said your arguement is baseless. From Bible is not the word of God to inaccuracy of the Bible. I know your next question will be if Bible is the word of God, why is it not accurate? As one of your people did above. The problem is that to interpret the Bible you need the original word which is the 'inspiration of God' but most people fail to know this.

According to the verse you refer to they asked Jesus about a boy who was blind right from the womb to know maybe is the boy that sinned or his parent's sin that make him blind but Jesus let them know none of them sinned but for the glory of God to manifest while Paul's teaching was based on human race as a whole.

Use anything you have to work for God man.

Bidam: That's not the point bro..The point is the Gospel hangs on the truth of the creation account. Paul says that man’s sinfulness can be traced back to the sin of one man, Adam. He argues that it was the sin of one man that corrupted the human race, and that it is by the righteousness of one man — Jesus Christ — that many can be saved from their sins (Romans 5:12-21). Cast out the creation as a myth and you cast out the gospel, as I see it.

Pastor Olu T: Sincerely i don't get your argument, no one is saying the the word of God is limited to the 66 or whatever books for God can speak through anyone. Every inspired word by the Holy Ghost is the word of God, be it the one canon of scriptures or the Ethiopian bible (Though dont know about it but if it is inspired by the Holy Ghost it is the word of God), you can also give the word of God if it is inspired by the HOly Ghost brother.

The OP is just to point this out and make people get to take and read the word the more seriously in order for them to develop a relationship with God and know Him personally.

Emusan: @guiriga

can you tell me what you understand be the word of God?

Emusan: Don't get me wrong I only telling you why they didn't insert those 14books in their scripture.
Yes there rejected Jesus so that you and I can be a partaker of the gosple.


Are you fighting somebody?
My own inspiration comes from God I don't know yours.



Don't worry it will get there. Jesus didn't say the whole world will receive the good gosple at once, He said "And this gosple of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nation; and then shall the end com" matt 24:14


All what I needed is in that 66books God's word can never cease or end.


If my claims is only on 66books or Jews saying, then I won't be a christian today. You think I'm one of those keep arguing about God but nothing like a tangible evidence to prove the existence of God. NO! I have had a personal evidence that prove to me that God truly exist using the same 66books, so what else do I want to know again?



I'm going to sokoto to buy something but deeping down my hand inside my sokoto I found what I suppose to go sokoto to buy. Do I still need to go to sokoto again?



*If you call your relationship with God a story then there's a problem
This is the major problem in christendom today people are no more worshiping God but still looking on how Moses parted red sea, the power that David used to kill Goliath, how come Jesus resurrected without his body rotten instead to concentrate on worshiping the most high.

I don't argue mush about religions because I have found the truth I needed, I always share my thought as Holyspirit leaded but if you still want to continue to argue I rest my case.

But please just concentrate much on how God can use you more.

Shallom!

Bidam: Some thirty-eight hundred times the Bible declares, “God said,” or “Thus says the Lord” (e.g. Ex. 14:1; 20:1; Lev. 4:1; Num. 4:1; Deut. 4:2; 32:48; Isa. 1:10, 24; Jer. 1:11; Ezek. 1:3; etc.). Paul also recognized that the things he was writing were the Lord’s commandments (1 Cor. 14:37), and they were acknowledged as such by the believers (1 Thess. 2:13). Peter proclaimed the certainty of the Scriptures and the necessity of heeding the unalterable and certain Word of God (2 Pet. 1:16-21). John too recognized that his teaching was from God; to reject his teaching was to reject God (1 John 4:6)

Bidam: Actually it is not him saying it but the bible which is the inerrant word of God.

Emusan: They were never considered as part of the Hebrew Scriptures, and the Jews themselves clearly ruled them out by the confession that there was, throughout that period, no voice of the prophets in the land. I stated this in my previous post.

see my reply to bizi above

Yes!

I don't need to read all books before I know the truth. I know God exist and send His son to die for my sin and His son also promise me Holyspirit that will even teach me more of things I don't know which I can testify. I just don't go to church because they said to me God exist but I go to church to render my service to God once you have Holyspirit you have it all.

Like I said when will christians stop arguing about God instead to focus on the promises of God. Is that the true message of Christ?

Pastor Olu T: So what is your point my friend?

The bible is not about the Europeans and its about the ways of God and what is expected of us as Christians which is the most important.

Emusan: Pls the Ethiopian bible you're talking about does it mean it was written by Ethiopians or just a name because the only thing I know about origin of the Bible is that "The Apocrypha and the Septuagint
There is a cluster of about 14 books, known as the Apocrypha, which were written some time between the close of the Old Testament (after 400 B.C.) and the beginning of the New.They were never considered as part of the Hebrew Scriptures, and the Jews themselves clearly ruled them out by the confession that there was, throughout that period, no voice of the prophets in the land. They looked forward to a day when “a faithful prophet” should appear.
The Old Testament had been translated into Greek during the third century B.C., and this translation is known as the Septuagint, a word meaning 70, after the supposedly 70 men involved in the translation. It was the Greek Septuagint that the disciples of Jesus frequently used since Greek was the common language of the day.
Whether or not the Septuagint also contained the Apocrypha is impossible to say for certain, since although the earliest copies of the Septuagint available today do include the Apocrypha—placed at the end—these are dated in the fifth century and therefore cannot be relied upon to tell us what was common half a millennium earlier. Significantly, neither Jesus nor any of the apostles ever quoted from the Apocrypha, even though they were obviously using the Greek Septuagint. Josephus was familiar with the Septuagint and made use of it, but he never considered the Apocrypha part of the Scriptures.

Thanks!

Pastor Olu T: Never heard of Ethiopia bible, and besides this is not propagating white man's acceptance or believes.

what do u believe friend, for ur signature suggest u believe in God?

benalvino: now there are 3 beginning... if you are talking about rev 3:14... note rev 3:14 should be source of the creation of God... or ruler of the creation of God. check all the translation see that they vary. in genesis in the beginning God created the heaven and earth it didn't say he created Jesus... in john 1:1 Jesus was there in the Beginning and through him everything came into existence without him nothing came into existence... now link all this verse to Colossians 1:15... through him everything was created for him. now revisit rev 3:14 and tell me if you say jesus is the beginning of the creation of God the bible wont contradict itself?

benalvino: you don't know the bible really... There is no 2 different beginning... the same beginning when God create everything is same event john was all about... if it is 2 different beginning it means there should be 2 earth and 2 everything. you don't really understand don't you?

Bidam: ok..we know that God created us in His image and likeness. we also know according to the bible that Jesus came o earth as a man. The question now is who is Jesus? A Man, an angel, a spirit, a god?? who actually is this Jesus to you people?

Bidam: It's not about paul but about Jesus Christ who is the full expression of God's glory and manifestation on the Earth. The whole purpose of God is for His GLORY TO BLANKET THE EARTH AS THE WATERS COVER THE SEA. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant cos it's gonna happen in these last days.

benalvino: 2 beginnings hmmm... You confuse bro. Learn the bible

Bidam: The revelation of Jesus is actually progressive. What do you understand when Paul said that the manifold, variegated, multi-faceted, many-sided, multi-dimensional wisdom of God, which has been hidden in Christ, is now being revealed by the church, to principalities and powers in heavenly places.

God’s plan is to reveal hidden knowledge and wisdom, that has been reserved for these last days, to the church.Paul really captured the deity of Christ more than the apostles that had been with Jesus.

true2god: I believe too well that u understand my intent of saying 'thank u' to the post i quoted frm and what ensued prior my response or u make reference to the earlier posts that gave rise to it.

Best regards,

Mr anony: Lololol, interesting how in order not to expressly admit that you read your own interpretation into the verse, you try to throw a bit of mud out there in the hope that I'll try to "protect" Jesus' reputation.
Basically all you've really done is play the trick of "if you don't agree with me you are calling Jesus a liar. You had better agree with me if you want to keep Him honest."

The verse still remains exactly what it is. Jesus never denied His deity rather He affirmed it.

Here's a verse for you to ponder.

"Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.
Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star." - Revelations 22:12-16

Till tomorrow, i still wonder how any Christian can read the above and still say that Jesus Christ never claimed to be God.

benalvino: how is it not reasonable? so there are 2 beginnings? and 2 creation? 2 heaven and 2 earth? genesis and john are same event

benalvino: both of them are same... genesis and john 1:1 are same event

true2god: Thank u.

benalvino: One there is only one beginning... I don't know where ur logic is coming from...
there is life in the word in the beginning.