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benalvino: Told U no already why the question again

benalvino: you don't know what you are saying. we will continue later... lemme sleep

benalvino: they are same thing... Hebrew focus on GOD... greek focus on Jesus...

benalvino: So in other words you are saying its man that created us?

benalvino: so are we in the form of GOD

benalvino: that is not a problem at all

benalvino: did you read the verse I showed you? see it again

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

benalvino: where the father gave him to do it before the creation... just as in the beginning... jesus was with the father... the word. it should have said he was created then the father gave him right or power to create

benalvino: am asking you because you want to bring that if he is God why did he die talk... I know I quoted this 4 u already


Philippians 2:5-11

New International Version (NIV)


5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:


6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

benalvino: so you mean jesus was human before he came to earth? while he was human through him everything were created?

or that verse I gave you says despite being in the form of God he dropped it and become a slave and put on flesh and humble him self even to death

benalvino: read it you know what it means....

benalvino: Nope...


Philippians 2:5-11

New International Version (NIV)


5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:


6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

benalvino: Nope...


Philippians 2:5-11

New International Version (NIV)


5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:


6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

benalvino: One...

benalvino: nope other no exist at all for that passage

benalvino: and you say where the bible calls Jesus God and I should you... you want more?

aside that there is only one God... this I have been saying from day one... and the bible says one Lord also Jesus Christ... yet the father is Lord also.

benalvino: if he is a thing he had to create all other things and not all things... that is why NWT add other in the verse.

benalvino: Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

benalvino: then I refuse to answer you if you think the bible didn't say that... Only God can create... God no call angel say come make I use you create the world. So no worry go look for God bible start with john 1:1

benalvino: lol...

benalvino: people always tend to drag me back... see I have been saying here that all things where created through Jesus... so I don't know what you are disputing... Jesus is the word of God... Jesus(the Word) is GOD. if Jesus was created how come through him the father created him which means through jesus the father created jesus... read John 1;1-4

benalvino: Yet only God can create... isn't it? bible says through Jesus. its you who cant bear that Jesus is God despite bible said it in many verses...

Creating Jesus will be so important that the bible cant miss it simple. you use firstborn, begotten etc all that have been debunked. fact is if Jesus is a thing they he cant be a creator... if he was created he cant even create all things... that is the contradiction. and many more... you wont even admit jesus was a man in heaven or angel or an ordinary god as you no gree say him Be GOD... despite John 1:1 and many verses

benalvino: nope it means he is not telling the truth or you result to other contradictions... Let us create man... then from let us bible said so God create man in his image... the thing is If jesus is not GOD the universe wont be holding because of him... he cant create. the scriptures says Jesus is God then it says there is one God then it says only God created everything. fact is if Jesus is not God then their is contradiction. period... so many contradiction coming out from your belief. If God created jesus the bible would make it so clear that we wont be here debating about it.

benalvino: The word is GOD... only GOD can create.

benalvino: Yeah I know... so when you Read john 1:1-14 what did you learn?

benalvino: nope

benalvino: Can we conclude that Jesus create him self? since you want the bible to contradict it self

benalvino: that's a silly question. the father is the beginning and the end... beginner of existence... same with Jesus. Jesus is GOD... he has all the features of God... Only God creates... nothing was created by angels man or whatever... only God alone creates. So Jesus is GOD.

shdemidemi: If you cannot understand, it makes it impossible for God, right? Why don't you worry about how the sun seem to hang in the sky amongst many other divine works visible to you? JESUS IS GOD.

toneyb: The 10 commandments was not given to christians but to the jews.

Bidam: I am not interested in scoring goals but in speaking the truth concerning God's word. You are yet to show us a single scripture were Jesus was created separate from the Father, instead you fraudulently use firstborn over all creation and build a doctrine out of it. That's the highest form of treachery and heresy one can descend to in the body of Christ. Do you know that in that colossians 1:15-20 Paul actually magnified Christ to the point of almost calling him God? Take your time to read frosbel and stop building "castles in the air".Jesus by nature, being God is equal to God (John 1:1,14, John 5:23, John 14:1) but positionally, during His earthly time as a man, His Father was certainly “greater” than He.