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Logicboy03: Why not see the bible for what it is; writings of ignorant jewish cavemen?

You pick and select the parts of bible you like? How do you know the whole Jesus thing is not a mistake from the lying pens of scribes as well? We already have contradictory accounts of Jesus

Lease: Did David hate God then? Exodus 20:5 "You must not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the fathers' sin, to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,..."

Or

Ezekiel 18:20 "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them."

We should be careful not to allow mistakes inadvertently made by bible writers and some people of old to make us sin against GOD just because some of the statements in the bible seems illogical to us and our christian brethrens can't provide satisfactory answer except that GOD does things the way he likes which may be incomprehensible to man. Let us take Nigerian MOG as an example where they tell us that GOD spoke with them either to leave their current church to establish a new one, or to do seven days revival etc etc. Unfortunately the unwary ones among their members actually believe that these men spoke directly with GOD. If you go back to read Ezekiel 18 v 1-2,GOD clearly said that the description of him as a GOD that visits the sin of father on subsequent generations was an ADAGE in Israel and should be stopped. Thus, it is either that Moses added the statement and erroneously attributed it to GOD in Exodus or the subsequent bible scribes added it just because it was already an ADAGE in Israel just the way some superstitious beliefs have become an established facts in our culture until the advent of better knowledge through science. In addition, (though i can't remember the exact place in the Bible now) one of the major prophets in the old Testament quoted GOD to have said that most of the statements attributed to HIM were not true but made by the " LYING PEN OF THE SCRIBES". The summary of my argument is that the fact that it was reported that GOD claimed to have killed King David's son for his sins may not actually be correct. It most likely was the way the writer (scribes) understood it then. So let us be careful not to sin against GOD albeit inadvertently.

mumumugu: GOD HAD BLESSED. David.david sinned. All sin deserve punishment. God had sworn not to punish david. He decided to punish the son knowing grief wil afect him.

Logicboy03: I wonder why a loving God will kill a child for the father's sins. David killed somebody and committed adultery with the person's wife. Instead of God to punish David, he killed David's son.


Can someone explain the logic in this to me? Note that David fasted, prayed and laid on the ground for days for forgiveness, yet God killed his baby.




2 Samuel 12

ninja4life: U cannot understand d things of d spirit without d holy ghost so go for it to teach u waht u donot understand.k

Boomark: He told you a plain truth. "Being a catholic does not MEAN you are a Christian."

the same apples to people in other churches.

ayenny02: According to Muslim belief:

Decidedly the (only) religion with God is Al-Islam;

And those who have been given the Book differ not except after the knowledge has come to them out of mutual jealousy;And whoever disbelieves in the signs of God,Then surely God is quick to make up (his) account.(Quran 3:19)

Also:

Say thou, “We believe in God, and what has been sent on us, And what was sent on Abraham, And Ishmael, And Isaac, And Jacob, And His children,And what was given to Moses, And Jesus, And the prophets from the Lord.We split not one from the rest – And to Him are we obedient (Muslims).”
(Quran 3:84)

And whoever seeks a faith other than Al-Islam Then never shall it be accepted from him And he shall in the Future be a looser.(Quran 3:85)

Islam is the continuation and perfection of all the previous religions and is the religion with God.

THAT'S THE VERSE FROM QURAN

Ramtzy: Jesus that was never married how could he have said so, stop quoting him out context... Plz quote a verse in the Quran where MuhammedGod said Muslim should kill the Christains

ayenny02: CHALLENGING VERSES IN QURAN

God said in Quran“Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)


ANOTHER VERSES
Almighty says:’’And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our  servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If  there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.’’ (Al-Baqara –the Cow-: 23-24)


ANOTHER VERSE
“Or do they say that he has invented it? Say (to them), ‘Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call (for help) on whomever you can besides God, if you are truthful.” (Quran 11:13)


ANOTHER VERSE
“And if you all are in doubt about what I have revealed to My servant, bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful.” (Quran 2:23)

ALSO ANOTHER ONE
God says: "We have without doubt, sent down the message and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption.)" (15:9)


THIS IS CHALLENGING TO ALL RELIGION IN THIS FORUM TO BRING THE SAMETHING FROM THEIR SCRIPTURE, IF TRULY THEIR RELIGION IS FROM GOD

manmacho: What u love is Islam not my saviour Jesus

bilms: Your action toward events has nothing to do with love. Because a Pakistani killed someone who insulted Prophet Muhammed doesn't signify love for him, it only shows the passion of such people which exclude reason and the teaching of the man they claimed to love. Did Muhammed during his life allow anyone to hurt or kill people that insulted him? No. He instead show them love which made many later embrace him. So, killing persons for insulting Prophet Muhammed is against Islam, it is against the teaching of Prophet Muhammed and against love. Love in this regard simple mean, adore, respect and embrace the teachings of Jesus.

Pastor AIO: Yeah, you're right there. It is masoretic with certain key words essential to christians doctrine kept intact for obvious reasons (there were quite a few 'main conflict texts'). The biggest difference would be the exclusion of books that are in the septuagint such as Sirach and Maccabees etc. . .

Logicboy03: Why do you like blue

Seems we are in agreement. I just feel strongly about this issue. I have seen firsthand how christianity can make an educated person psychotic.

Logicboy03: You reasoned wrong then. This is because Yahweh is a monster. A psychopathic monster if he is as truly as described in the bible....sending plagues, flooding the earth, ordering genocides and last but not least, sending his son to die on the cross like a sacrificial lamb.

Sorry, God could have forgiven man's sins without Jesus. The very fact that Jesus had to die for people's sins to be forgiven shows that Yahweh is a sick beast. An animal with a psychotic reasoning. Must there be death before forgiveness?

Sorry christians, Yahweh is not my friend

bilms: ?

Logicboy03: What was his mission on earth? To die for mankind to appease Yahweh to forgive mankind of their sins.


How is that not a sacrifice?

Isnt Jesus called the sacrificial lamb or something?

Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world

bilms: WHO LOVE JESUS(PROPHET ISA) MORE, Muslims or Christians? Having express my unquantifiable love as a Muslim for Jesus(prophet Isa) in the course of a discussion, a xtian friend said, i am just watching your mouth as you speak about our lord Jesus so dearly,but provided you are a muslim who do not believe Jesus to be a son of God, you can't love Jesus more than a Christian. So add your voice, between xtian and Muslim, who love Jesus more and why?

Logicboy03: Good....I agree with most part but two problems

-Jesus himself was a human sacrifice
-Jesus was a racist- imagine an indian doctor doing what he did to the cannanite woman and her child, to you.

CrazyMan: Good evening my fellow christians, please I've been pondering this question for a while now, I felt I should share it with the house.

My question goes thus... WHERE DOES GOD COME IN - IN THE LIFE OF A BELIEVER?

From what I've observed so far, we have to read our books in order to pass our exams. (Irrespective of what we believe in)

We must study hard for an aptitude test in order to get our dream job.

We must browse through the internet and ask relevant questions in order to discover secrets on how to excel in job interviews.

We must go to the hospitals whenever we're sick so we can be cured.

We must drive carefully in order to avoid accidents. And should it occur, we would resort to wheelchairs and crutches to aid us in mobility. (That's for those of us that survive)

We must higher lawyers in order to get justice for ourselves.

We are prone to untimely death just like every other person.

We are prone to health issues like barrenness, low sperm count and heart attacks as a result of our frustration...which could also lead to death.

We are faced with challenges on daily basis, and we end up resolving it either by our selves or by seeking help from friends and colleagues.

Most of our brethren in the north have stopped going to church for fear of being killed by unbelievers.

Now I'll ask my question a second time... WHERE DOES GOD COME IN - IN THE LIFE OF A BELIEVER?

Please I want direct answers not boring and confusing replies.

Thanks.

PAGAN 9JA:
MY RELIGION IS ABOUT SPIRITUALITY. Religion has no business dealing with morality and law. that is an issue of society. only christianity tries to interfere in such public and personal matters, instead of concentrating soley on spirituality, like the true religions.

As a Pagan, my moral code of conduct depends on the society I was raised in, and in the society I was raised in, if someone ever slapped me, I would beat the living sh!.t out of him. Unless hes a person who lawfully and morally has the right to do so.

The reason for slapping spmeone depends on the indviual. For example, the reason I ggave for slapping the pastor, was justifiable according to me.


It is the reasoning of an impractical man and a christian blasphemer.

mastercee: A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21

Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29

Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32

It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who
sometimes punish the good and receive unto themselves damnation
therefore
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/ Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35

Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9

Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39

Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19

Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6

God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15

All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9

Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27

There died of the plague twenty-four
thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8

John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21

The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23

The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36

There were fourteen generations from
Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6

There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16

The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,2 3
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39

Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2

Christian stop fooling your selves, upon all these contradictions u still call this novel word of God

dont8: Go to school of theology and get understanding and the wisdom to interpret the
holy book better, oh you of little faith.

larrymoore: According to the bible,some people would be denied salvation.The truth be told,not everyone,irrespective of your devotion would enter eternal glory.so what next if Jesus says'I don't know you'.

Pastor Olu T: Yes you are right there are many xtians with good heart and faith with ailments that do not receive their healing, there are so many other factors responsible for that.

I will not be able to go into details, but just to mention a few;

Timing, there is a time and a season for everything and God' timing we do not understand many at times

God' glory

Faith, though outwardly it might seem they have faith but not, there are different kind of faith. Faith for salvation, healing, etc

Unbelief, how can one heal someone who do not believe in divine healing, not all Christians believe in divine healing