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BraveGuy: Don't try to change the Thread's topic: What Was The Forbidden Fruit?There was no forbidden fruit. Its a symbol for the works of the flesh. That is why Jesus asked his followers to bear fruit. The fruit of the Spirit (you know what they are). What is forbidden is the works of the flesh (you know what they are). Works of the flesh, bad fruit. Works of the spirit, good fruit. Hence, you shall now them by their fruit.... Give thanks for the reasoning still... |
BraveGuy: Morning Star is DIFFERENT from Bright and Morning Star.I agree, that is what people have been saying about John 1:1 |
obadiah777: BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY IS NOT TALKING ABOUT GIVING BIRTH TO CHILDREN. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FILLING THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH WITH CHILDREN Give thanks!!! We know! I'm posing the question to make a point that indeed when the people think of this as if it had to do with children, we will eventually get to a point where everything breaks down. Another words, confusion. |
okeyxyz: From the characteristics(spirit) you'll know they are the same. Ie: The tree="knowledge of good and evil"; The law="Do's and Don'ts". They say exactly the same things, only in different words. But in the Law\mindset of God; there are no don'ts, Everything is do's, and yes, and Amen, because he created everything good and no Evil.Do you believe that a man eating a fruit 6,000 years ago will be your nature now? How? |
okeyxyz: Sure, no problem. The question is; If good made everything good then why the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was not good? Then everything was not good was it? My second comment was alluding to the story of creation and Eve and Adam eating some fruit... Remember the tree of life was also there in the garden. Which, by the way, is the tree of life which if eaten, gave you life forever. When Jesus was asked for eternal life, he did not mentioned the tree of life at the garden but instead told the man to follow the commandments. So perhaps the story is not literal as in a real tree or real fruit. But a spiritual lesson instead. I believe Obidiah touched on it anyhow.... |
okeyxyz: ^^^ The issue here is the two mindsets\spirits at play: The one of God that says: all things, knowledge, principles created by God are good and fit for use by man, while the other(of the devil) says: some things are good and some things are evil(Therefore are prohibited). So Adam chose the second and we have seen the result of that since. You error is that you think this tree of the knowledge of good and evil is of god. This is what translates to the mindset that there are things in creation that have been banned by god and there are things allowed. This is not of God but of the devil and it translates to the Law of Moses. But as far as God is concerned: There is absolutely nothing in NATURE\UNIVERSE that is banned. Why are we sons(Gods) and inheritors(Gods) if we are afraid of common creations? Shouldn't these creations be subject to us?? So when it says that everything God made was good, then the writer was not being totally honest then? Also, do you really think that as a result of Adam the world is where it is? Adam lived 6,000 years ago or so according to the bible. If the tree of life was right there then why would God cast them out. Why would the Gods or God and whoever he was talking to feared they might eat from the tree of life? |
Quick questions...Why would a God say "be fruitful and multiply..." If the only way to do that is by sexual intercourse then punish them for doing his command? I'm not too sure if the tree or fruit of good and evil was a sexual act.... |
Propaganda. |
hisblud: @From_Guiriga i did not mean the literal man but the spirit behind what peter spoke, was what i was refering to, notice 'man'?I understand...Why was The Father and Satan talking to one man (Peter). Was not Peter "a new man" in Christ. |
hisblud: good to know you read it, unfortunately, becos your mind was blinded by whom you already know, you felt offended. Well let me give you a little pearl : peter was influence to forbid Christ from fulfilling His blessed purpose of death on the cross, hence Christ spoke to the 'man' behind the man peter, thus addressing the deceiver, you get it now, why i said 'get behind me satan'! Clown? Me? No way, my identity not a clown but a king and a priest becos of Christ love for me, to reign by the abundance of grace and freely justified in Christ that the law could not perform. |
shdemidemi: But the word 'God' in itself is not singular, if you check the Hebrew word 'Elohiem'.Great point... In fact the word "LORD" does not appear until he (Yahweh) appears to Abraham and tells him his name. So why the word "LORD" appears in early in Genesis? Jesus called out to "Eloha" on the cross not Yahweh? Does not a son know the Father name? Just reasoning... Give thanks. |
What Gospel is this then? Deuteronomy 7 1 When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: |
Image123: @From GurigaWhat about Peter then. Some clown here directed me to read something about "get behind me Satan". Was he (Peter) in Christ Jesus said to him "...get behind me Satan..." Later, the Father revealed to Peter that Jesus was the son of God. So, Did Satan go into Peter sometimes, then God sometimes? Was he a "new creature" then went back to the "old" You see where I'm coming from here? Give thanks for the reasoning. |
hisblud: i will repeat it "get behind me Satan", if its funny to you, deal with it! In addition, go get a bible and find out where i got what i said, read it and you will know why i use those words.I read it. You quite conveniently played the part of Jesus while making me out to be Satan. This is the same lame psychological game they played with the Africans when they took them for slaves. Same thing. "See it's in the Bible, read it here, I can own you as slaves for seven years... you and those born in my house...." Stick to comedy. A circus might hire you. |
Image123: You have been told that satan is invisible. He is not physical matter, its irrational to forcefully treat him as physical. That is why you are getting parallel questions for other invisible things that we believe that you'd readily accept their existence. Nuclear energy is real, there are things that are not readily perceptible to humans but other mediums can detect. You cannot see what a dog or cat can see. What some animals have heard or smelled, you may not hear or smell until too late. Dangers that animals have perceived and migrated, humans may use precise, delicate and expensive instruments.I agree. Satan in invisible. But What is Satan. You remember son of Sam the murderer. I heard last time he is now a Christian. Some would say that Satan was in him. Now that he is a Christian as I heard over the radio...Is sata still in him hiding somewhere or is satan gone from him? Image123: You have been told that satan is invisible. He is not physical matter, its irrational to forcefully treat him as physical. That is why you are getting parallel questions for other invisible things that we believe that you'd readily accept their existence. Nuclear energy is real, there are things that are not readily perceptible to humans but other mediums can detect. You cannot see what a dog or cat can see. What some animals have heard or smelled, you may not hear or smell until too late. Dangers that animals have perceived and migrated, humans may use precise, delicate and expensive instruments.I agree. Satan in invisible. But What is Satan. You remember son of Sam the murderer. I heard last time he is now a Christian. Some would say that Satan was in him. Now that he is a Christian as I heard over the radio...Is sata still in him hiding somewhere or is satan gone from him? Image123: You have been told that satan is invisible. He is not physical matter, its irrational to forcefully treat him as physical. That is why you are getting parallel questions for other invisible things that we believe that you'd readily accept their existence. Nuclear energy is real, there are things that are not readily perceptible to humans but other mediums can detect. You cannot see what a dog or cat can see. What some animals have heard or smelled, you may not hear or smell until too late. Dangers that animals have perceived and migrated, humans may use precise, delicate and expensive instruments.I agree. Satan in invisible. But What is Satan. You remember son of Sam the murderer. I heard last time he is now a Christian. Some would say that Satan was in him. Now that he is a Christian as I heard over the radio...Is sata still in him hiding somewhere or is satan gone from him? |
hisblud: Can you quote where i said i KNOW SATAN!?A few post ago you were posting "get behind me Satan" in direct reply to my post as if I was Satan. You thought that was funny. It was, you're a comedian! I'm not Satan. Your have been avoiding the question throughout this thread. Tell the people the truth. Tell them you don't have an answer. Be honest for once. |
hisblud: OH GREAT ...You are the one here professing to know Satan and what not. I'm just calling you out on your nonsense rambling man. |
hisblud: Get thee behind me satan!Your funny guy. But that is what comedians do. |
hisblud: Hmm, most i know first before you attempt it?Who is Satan? |
hisblud: he is already at work in and thru you...peeps...blinding you from actually seeing thru the illusion of naturalism. Making you to glorify the creature over the Creator who is Blessed forever.Why hide yourself behind fancy talk bro. Very articulate answer. I have to give it you. I fear you do not know what you are talking about. That is what folks like you do when they do not have an explanation or answer to a question. Very articulate, very eloquent, mostly bullshyt. |
frosbel: From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)Are these folks Ashkenazi Jews? |
LagosShia: Nigerians and gentiles nations should leave Jesus (as) alone before it is too late.Jesus (as) has warned you that he was not sent to you and that means he will deny you if you dont desist from claiming to follow him.he will deny you as he said he promised:Matthew 15:22-24 "And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". This is a great verse... Now tell me this: As a Muslim you do believe in the prophet Jesus right? Did the prophet lie when he said he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel? Let's reason over this.... Give thanks! |
hisblud: @plat god, satan and spirits are things conjured up deep inside the minds of the religious faithful? No! Rather your minds [atheists] are delibrately being manipulated to remain blinded by the great deceiver. While we that are sons of God see the grand manipulation hence we show forth His light in the face of Christ for you to seeThat is what they are asking, where is this great deceiver that they cannot see it. Have you seen him/her/it? |
Da-ny-ell:If people like Pagan is to be consider a gentile by the Jews understanding...then he should be alright and not go to no "hellfire" to wrestle with no "devil" according to Jesus no. Since he is a "found sheep". I'm not speaking for Pagan, just reasoning over the post... Give thanks still. |
toneyb: The only way we can test this is if you allow somebody to inject you with the HIV virus, you can go ahead and pray for 8 days and drink only water and lets see if that will cure you.If you know someone with the virus, asked them to try it. Let us know. The instructions are simple. Fast for seven days. If they cannot do seven days. Ask them to fast once a week. 24 hours no food only water. It might sound ridiculous but if people are already taking medication that scientist worked diligently to invent with backing of billions of dollars and over 20 years of studies... Why not? "Beware of simple solutions to difficult problems" |
carloshome: SEVEN DAYS SERIOUS PRAYER AND FASTING CURES AIDS.It would not be surprised if it worked. By pure observation, trees grow branches and leaves for hundreds of years by only light, water and air. |
bindex: Is Sango a Faith healer? Yes he isYou are right. We have not see the highest heal amputees but I believe it can happen. By pure observation we see the trees grow branches...yet they only require water, light and air. I know we are not trees, but it could happen one day... |
Da-ny-ell:I don't know if white Jesus would have a problem with Pagan position... Was not white Jesus sent only to the lost sheep of the Israel? He told his followers specifically not to go to the gentiles of enter a city of the Samaritans... What is your reasoning on that? |
MostHigh: Give thanks Sire,Give thanks. If you have a link to the text, can you post it. I'll read it. I stumbled upon the Gospel of the Holy Twelve about two weeks ago. I'll do some reading when I get a chance. Give thanks! |
MostHigh: Yes Sire.Ahhh...Give thanks. Yes, I've heard Muta specifically raise that same argument. Saying that if Yashua was created by an angel on earth then he could not have 100% human experience. Since he could not have been of our same nature. It was interesting to hear the point of view. I never heard it framed that way before so I had to reason on it. What's you take on this: 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” It appears to me that she was pregnant before she and Joseph came together. Also, If Joseph had slept with her and got her pregnant, why would he want to put her away "secretly"? It would be in direct contradiction to the the above text saying Joseph was a "just man". What's your reasoning on this. I saw your post where you quoted the Gospel of the Holy Twelve by the way...It's a interesting take that seem to oppose the letter according to Matthew. Give thanks for the reasoning. Still listening.... "...Well what we know, it's not just what they tell us, and we're not ignorant..." |
Give thanks. Yes, I was aware of that view. However, when this topic is discussed with "pastors" that been in church for many years, some claim that they are not aware of it other give the standard response "man, those are not canonical books" "be careful" and so on... Another words, we don't want to reason over it. We are perfectly happy with what they tell us. "They said what we know is just, what they tell us..." I'll listen to the reasoning.... |
PAGAN 9JA:I would not say it was forced. Some people heard the gospel then accepted it as is. Perhaps it was forced on some but I don't think all. Garinagus always believed in God. Proof which Garinagus until this day call God Baba (Father). This was brought from Africa. It was not thought to us by no colonizer or no Christian. As this is strictly a Garifuna word for the Father. Forced Psychologically thou...that's another story. The Europeans told us that this Father has come to earth and his name is Jesus. And they had a book to back it up! He died for our sins so we don't have to go to hell...you are well read and know the rest. Christianity is a proselyting religion. Some of the people who spread it (I believe) are well intentioned. Thy really want you saved (according to their understanding). Some are in it for the gains. I just want it on record that it is not my opinion that Christianity was forced on Garinagus. I don't have the facts on that. I will look it up so I don't remain ignorant about this thou. Anyway, give thanks. |