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I was born i a Christian country. Most worship Jesus as God. So culturally we can say I'm a Christian. My ancestors, I don't know. Once the slave masters took us from Africa they gave us their religion. But Garifuna tradition is most similar to Yoruba tradition or religion. You find Africa in central America among the Garifuna. Trust me. But all in all the slave master gave us their religion which was Christianity. Personally, I respect all religions. I have great admiration for most. I'm in it for the teaching and the understanding. Christianity is an over-standing. But folks have turned it into a religion. Religion separates. My two cents. Give thanks! |
[quote author=Cassava-Stick]Your survival is entirely your responsibility, no one else owes you jackshit[/quote]You are right. I understand. Give thanks. |
MostHigh: DEUTERONOMY 32 VS 8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples <<< NO MIXING, ETHIOPIAN STAY WITH ETHIOPIAN, ARAB STAY WITH ARAB, SOMALIAN WITH SOMALIAN ETC ETCDeuteronomy 32:8-9 The Most High (Elyon) gave to the nations separating the sons of man and setting the boundaries of the people according to the number of the sons of Israel. For the portion of Yahweh is his people; Jacob is the allotment of his inheritance. Still meditating over this...Don't want to derail the topic but I thought is was related. Can you shed light on this. If not I'll wait until it comes up as a topic. Give thanks for the reasoning. |
[quote author=Cassava-Stick]God or not, men will always find an excuse to kill other men. The rule of the world is survive or die. There are no exceptions to that rule.[/quote] I get you. I will not lie. I wish I could be surviving better thou. ![]() Give thanks for the reasoning still! |
[quote author=Cassava-Stick]Stop being silly, How many people have gone and killed villages because god killed david's son?[/quote]Nah bro. Ask yourself how many people have killed people because God told them? Give thanks. |
[quote author=Cassava-Stick]Are you really about to suggest that you cannot change your mind over how you want to treat your property? Are you seriously inserting yourself into the fairytale? Anyway, don't worry, you won't live that long[/quote]It's a fairytale to you. It could very well be. There are people who base their lives on this and this might effect you. If someone comes to my village and kills all my family because of this fairytale. Then the fairytale just became real to me. My family is dead for real. You are arguing from a "fairytale" perspective. I'm arguing what is the lesson of the fairytale if any? You have not address that yet. You can wax philosophical all you want. Like the Engineer in my last job use to say. "Everything works on paper." I'm not inserting myself in the fairytale. This is the reason why I'm not arguing from that side. It's pointless. I'm arguing the understanding of the fairytale. Give me an example of "my property". Give thanks. |
[quote author=Atheist:-D]Not necessarily. If the destruction will cause harm to the creation and the people around it then no. There are rights attached to things like that. We are not just a computer program that can be removed. If we are then God could resolve the problem without killing anybody. There are other ways to punish him without harming others. It wasnt just his son also, a lot of others suffered too. The ark of covenant couldnt be brought into the city and there was famine and disease.[/quote]I'm with you on that. Give thanks. It's the teaching you know! |
2cassava sticks: To deny someone the right to destroy his own creation is unjust don't you think?It depends. If the creator has set rules and regulations of destruction. Then he cannot by definition break his own laws and then enforce them on his creations. That means that one day we can out think the so called creator. |
noblefada: Thank you for your time so far and willingness to hear me out. The things of God though may be mysterious yet can be fully explained in the whole of scriptures.No problem. Yes, I read the book of Job. It was the adversary (Satan) that caused Job misfortunes with approval from Yahweh no? I mean Job was a "righteous" man was he not? If Job was righteous then Yahweh was wrong for allowing that to happen to Job no? Are we not like Gods knowing good and evil according to God? I don't see that what happended to Job as good. |
2cassava sticks: Funny thread. christians denying the actions of their make-belief god, while atheists kill themselves over the details of the fairytale.Is there a lesson to learn in this make-belief god story? In defense of the atheists, I think they might be reasoning about the implications of the fairytale. What they might be saying is that no one has the right to kill babies, including a God. It's unjust. Period. You might have dismissed the discussion as nonproductive but the issue here is not the story but the implications of it. To kill a seven year old baby for something his father did is unjust don't you think? |
[quote author=*Kails*]smh @ the ethiopian debate. who cares? the only reason rastas acknowledge them is because of Hallie Selassie and other Ethiopians who donated land to the repatriates (Jamaicans and AAs). Land which would later be seized (most of it anyway) by his successor . The name Ras Tafari was his birth name and the name as far as the lifestyles goes is to pay homage.@From_Guiriga HEY! You're GARIFUNA?! ![]() I am (part) Jamaican Maroon! We're cousins!! ![]() and I'll check out the video you posted soon. [/quote]Ah ha ha ha... Yes, I'm Garifuna. My screen name is where I'm from. Check out the video, I believe in Jamaica they call it JohnKunu or something.See, Rastafari calls for all Africans to unite. Everywhere. Under Justice, peace and Love. Yes, cousins indeed! |
Man...I think spirits take place in a body. So the spirits of Elijah might have been present in John. I'm not sure if that is reincarnation thou. As in a physical flesh and blood, I don't think its supported biblically. |
[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]i didnt say that was bullshit. there mightve been a tribe of Judah. I just dont believe their descendants are in Ethiopia. In reality, the medieval incarnation of the Solomonic dynasty didn't come into power until 1262 AD, claiming descent from the Kings of Aksûm. The dynasty, a bastion of Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity, came to rule Ethiopia on 10 Nehasé 1262 AD EC when Yekuno Amlak overthrew the last ruler of the Zagwe dynasty. Their predecessors, the Zagwe dynasty, were said not to be of "the house of Israel" (i.e. of Solomon and Menelik). They were Pagans as well. The claims of descent of the Aksûmite Kings preceding the Zagwe dynasty are uncertain, though early Pagan inscription denote the King as "son of the unconquerable Mahrem" (translated in Greek as Ares), while medieval Ethiopian sources ascribe them a similar claim of descent. This is consistent with the earliest records that testify that one half of Ethiopians followed the laws of Moses, while the other half worshipped Pagan gods. These dynasties were clearly of local descent that became "Judaized" due to conversion , early missionary activity, etc. check this thread out: https://www.nairaland.com/1023235/real-hausa oh and if you are talking about religion, we Hausa have 2 types, though both are similar: 1 is Maguzawa religion. This is the mainstream religion. It has a number of Gods (Iska/Winds). it differs among sub-tribes by slight variations, but the general idea is the same. 2nd is Boori which is mostly practiced by City-Hausa and half-muslims.[/quote]Give thanks. Man, a lot of information. Very informative! A rich culture of tradition indeed. I will read up some more. I did not read all the pages but will visit periodically to gain more understanding. Give thanks. By the way. Check out my people dance called Wanaragua. Garifunas from central America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01SDW4MnDuU A song about our motherland. We speak Spanish so the subtitles are in Spanish but the song is in Garifuna. The Garifuna language. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkR_g59NYg4 |
[quote author=*Kails*]*edited* I don't want to jump the gun but i sense some doubt even from you? Do YOU doubt there is a God? Anyway, Muta should be classified as Agnostic tbh. muta talks about spirituality but denies the presence of a God ![]() and yes i believe that is the program. i'll post it if i find it.[/quote] I believe there is a creator. What God are you talking about? Here is Muat defending the "God concept" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUmiReFpe3U |
[quote author=*Kails*]Nah bruv. Muta is an atheist. I watched an interview he had with one of Jamaica's most respected Christian Show hosts who at one time was at odds with Muta, and he asked Muta to confirm or deny his atheism and Muta said "I do not believe in a divine entity". I don't think Muta looks at it from a standpoint that the Gods of each religion are all false due to contradictions..instead he thinks the idea of a God PERIOD is false.. [/quote]Ahh... I think I've seen them, Religious hard talk with Ian Boyne? Has anyone been able to produce any divine entity God? Perhaps, but I'm not aware of it. This is what Muta does not believe in. This very people who believe in a "divine entity" have not been able to produce him/her/ or it. But I'm not going to defend his position as he knows better than me where he stands. I'm simply posting what I understand of Muta's view. Give thanks. |
[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]its not because of rastafarian or anything. hey were invaded by italy, and the defeated Haile Selassie appealed to UN, so the brits sent in their troops and kicked the italians out. Also some parts of Ethiopia, such as the Northern parts, were inhabited by the fierce warring Afar/Danakil Tribes, and no europeaan who went there could come out alive. the Afar would just kill any intruder and cut their testicles and hang them around their necks as trophies. savage lands. .[/quote]Is this a good thing or a bad thing? |
[quote author=*Kails*]^^may he rest in peace. but this comment is wrong and kinda ignit. Rastafarianism combines elements of all religions mostly Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Confucianism and Afro. elements which formed their unique lifestyle (Rastafarianism is not considered a religion). The purpose is to promote unification. It's a very misunderstood way of life. There are different sects or subgroups of Rastafarianism all who have their own beliefs. They wrap their hair differently, some don't wear clothes that comes from animal hide, others don't support smoking weed and yes there are even some rastas (though VERY FEW) who are atheist (Mutaburuka sp?? is one who publicly admitted he doesn't believe in a divine entity). I mean it goes on.... dude...your patois sux donkey balls. but the bold is true.[/quote]Give thanks.What Muta is saying (I blelieve) is that no man named Jesus is going to come from the sky and save anyone. Muta does not describe himself as an atheist. He is saying that the God and the devil that all this religious books talk about is inside man. It's quite a position because out of all this religions around not one has manage to produce a God (an Almighty, who can be here and there, all knowing, all wise and so forth...) and show this God (physically) to another religion. So, self reliance, justice, peace, love and universal truths for the betterment of mankind is what Rastafari promotes. It's what Muta promotes. He also has issues with the definition of God. If Yahweh is the only God then how come the people of South America never heard of him before the Europeans Christians got there? Many things but give thanks for the reasoning still! |
noblefada: Ok because you've shown interest, I'll try but let me remind you dat you may not fully comprehend. I follow. I don't think the issue of justice and injustice against the child was addressed but I understand where you are coming from. |
[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]actually i think that lion of judah stuff is cooked up bullsh!t. because if you consider the ethnic groups of Haile Selassie, he is Oromo and AMhara. Just the other day, I was discussing Ehtiopian Traditional Religion with my cab driver. He told me they still practice it and was excitedly discoursing with me about it. Amhara religion consists of four separate but interwoven realms of religious belief. First, there is the dominant Monophysite christian religion, which includes the Almighty God, the Devil, and the saints and angels in Heaven. Second, there are the zar and adbar protector spirits who exact tribute in return for physical and emotional security and who may punish or neglect believers for failure to recognize them through the practice of the appropriate rituals. Third is the belief in buda, a class of people who possess the evil eye and exert a deadly power over the descendants of God's "chosen children." The fourth category of beliefs includes the ghouls and devils that prowl the countryside, creating danger for unsuspecting people who cross their path. Although the Christian beliefs have been practiced since nearly the beginning of Christianity, the "Pagan" elements probably go back much further. The ORomo ofcourse have their own trad. religion They call one of their Gods as Roog.[/quote]Book of Revelation 5:5; "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." What's cooked up bullshyt about the above? By the way can you tell me about your tradition again...I meant to read up on it but cannot find the thread. Give thanks. |
MostHigh: Was Yashua not a human being? You are not wrong. Yashua was flesh and blood. The Christians don't understand that when they accept the Christ they accept the anointed of The Most High God. This is reveal in man. Some folks fight what they don't understand. But let a white preacher tell them all type of nonsense about Jesus. That they believe without question. Give thanks for the reasoning! |
KarmaMod: For people who claim to love and respect 'Nubian queens", why cant they ever stick to ONE? Your commitment is to your husband. If you do not agree with his ways then you don't get involve with him. Your question is one that needs to be asked prior to YOU making a commitment. Give thanks. |
rotimy: My advice to any serious Christian or muslim is to stay away from the Rastas! They are using "liberation songs" to cover up their cult's mask which is worship of human being as the Christ and the LORD Why would you advise anyone to stay away from someone who wants to live in peace with his fellow negihbor? Tell me or any Rastafari that went around the world killin people to convert them to Rsatafari. The teaching of the Christ was to love their God and love their neighbor as themselves. You come here and advise a Christian or a Muslim against this? Why? Many people have come to seek for truth through this songs. Their religious books or churches did not do this. Why advise someone against this? Any religion is a cult. Anyone with a pulse knows this. Look, the Europeans that took the Africans and enslave them, were serious Christians. Do you know that? Give thanks! |
rotimy: Gangaseed is totally ignorant of Rasta religion! He was only seeing the surface!Every religion is a cult. Why don't these bible college graduate you are citing don't mention that. Their degrees and biblical studies fails them and you here. Do you know where Satan is? Give thanks. |
Cayon: Does one have to be a dread to be a rasta? From the moment you begin to search for truth, Rastafari has called. Dreads are your outward identity to a certain way of life. But you don't have to be a dread. No. Rasta is a heart thing. Not a hair thing. Give thanks! |
Rastafari is not a religion. A rasta is one who seeks truth and peace with his fellow man. Non-political, non-religious, non-violent and non-affiliated. That's the message. God lives within man. When the bible talks about "Obey your master..." the Europeans took it as they should be rulers and such nonsense. The master is the earth! No man has the right to rule another man. That is men invention from his own imagination. Africa is home and it awaits her children. And Yes, we are coming home, Most High willing! |
If you work hard for your money you can give it to whoever you like. Benny Hinn is running a successful business.That is what business men do. They have a product. They sell it. He is selling hope. |
The teachings of the Christ are practical. I've tested some of them personally. They worked for me. |
noblefada: That's why I said earlier it takes the Spirit of God to fully understand this and again the mistake many make is to take the bible literary! Listen for those who care the bible is not and will never be a literal book.Understood. If you have the "spirit of God" then enlightened us here. I have time. Give us your understanding. So we can hold that up to scrutiny. You are right, I was born in a Christian country and culturally that makes me a Christian as far as culture is concern. I'm a bit confused, you take the position that the bible is not to be taken literal then say it was an angel that gave Moses the laws. |
cassava stick: And so what?Huge implications in my humble opinion. If someone kills me for sports then why should that person be punished? I'm God's creation, so is the killer. God is simply doing with the killer and the killed (his creations) as he pleases no? |
noblefada: IAlright, my apology. I'll quote you correctly next time. The sickness of the child is attributed to Yahweh according to the writer of 2nd Samuel: 12:15 And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. What's going on here? |
cassava stick: Simple answer: because both David and his son are God's creation and God has every right to treat his property as he pleases.Ahh, OK. I'll keep that in mind. Are you God's creation as well? |
noblefada: As I said b4 in most of these threads you guys are not ready to learn but to discredit any answer or explanations offered because of your many like minded folks following the thread. But if you truly are looking for answers then we can have a private discourse. That is the problem. Many Christians don't understand their own bible yet try to convince folks on things they themselves don't understand. Let's reason together. Give us your understanding on this. If you don't understand it's OK. There is nothing wrong with not understanding. Take it from a man who does not understand much. Can Someone Explain Why God Killed David's Son For David's Sin? |

. The name Ras Tafari was his birth name and the name as far as the lifestyles goes is to pay homage.
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