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[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=582273.msg7510804#msg7510804 date=1294773793]The truth shall set (them) free. 

Stranger in his Sunday best.

We're talking about Lagos specifically.

Wonderful monogamous christian families like the Obasanjos.[/quote]It seems you have a crush on me, innit?

Fortunately for you, I am also a Muslim , and a nice guy. I am sure your parents would accept me tori, tese!

There is nothing like an emancipated muminat!

WHo needs to learn from stupit Akata!

GEt your shyyt over to your brothers in Rikers!

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=583532.msg7510510#msg7510510 date=1294770963]@Depilot: Lol, maybe Tinubu wants to turn Lagos into Kwara.

As much as I like some of the things he has done on the national stage, if this is his intention, h[b]e must be vigorously imposed.[/b][/quote]Really?

Never knew you believe in aristocracy!

^^^

Alagbon!

oyb:
being on top of the governor may count for something

Abi under the governor!


E be like say you sef na okobo!

interesting!

tensor777:
LOL LOL. Basically you really should be able to derive formulas at that level. There is no need for rote memorisation anyway if you have put the necessary work in.
They say practice makes perfect.

Practice makes perfect is talking about rote memorization. Rote memory involves repeating a concept or idea over and over again until you remember it. This concept can be repeated orally or through writing.

You are just clueless.

[quote author=jay_getta link=topic=583532.msg7508129#msg7508129 date=1294750396]Chei, look insult. Comparing Hillary to Remi! O ti sele, o ti pari! Hillary was part and parcel of her husband's failed Universal Health Care Plan, but I guess u wouldn't know this (this was while he was still in office by the way). . . A faire comparison would be Remi Tinubu and Griselda Blanco; at least we know what Ojuyobo was up to while he live in Chi Town![/quote]you seem well grounded in Nigerian politics and yet you ve never been to Nigeria


Anyway, Remi is one hot mama and for that alone I support her 100%

I have a feeling though that she is being pushed to do it. It is unlike her.

Donmeca:
ouch! that was harsh! I've read about Selassie and he seems to be d most charismatic even tho highly unassuming. thanks.

They are not of the same orientation. Ojukwu was a soldier while Awo was a populist. . .he shud hav more followers than Ikemba but Ikemba can defeat him in Ibadan if their shud be a contest.

May be Ikemba should try to get the whole of Alaigbo behind APGA first, before trying to come to Ibadan.

Good to know that Ikemba had a glorious political life and following, unlike AWO who could barely won his home state!. 

I am sure Ikemba has various monuments named after him by his people, unlike Awo with nothing named after him by his people.

Thanks for clarifying the issue!

wesley80:
Here’s an example of Zik’s mastererful use of his Oratorical skills, believe me I wont want 2 be at d end of one of those.

“It is the mere ranting of an ant”
Chuba Okadigbo(1981) then political adviser to Pres. Shehu Shagari, dismissing Nnamdi Azikiwe's complaints of election fraud.

Zik to Okadigbo –
“My boy, may you live to your full potential, ascend to as dizzy a height as is possible for anyone of your political description in your era to rise. May u be acknowledged world wide as u rise like an eagle atop trees, flota among the clouds, preside over the affairs of fellow men , As leaders of all countries pour into Ngr to breath into her ear. But then, Chuba,if it is not the tradition of our people that elders are roundly insulted by young men before tie world as you have unjustly done to me, may your reign come to an abrupt and shattering close. As you look ahead, Chuba, as u see the horizon, dedicating a great marble palace that is the envy of the world, toasted by the most powerful men in the land, may the great big hand of fate snatch it all away from you. Just as it appears as if nothing can possibly go awry, Chuba, as you look forward to hosting the worlds most powerful leader and shaking his hand, as you begin to smell the recognition and leadership of the Igbo people, may the crown fall off your head and your political head off your shoulders. None of my words will come to pass, Chuba until u have risen to the very height of your power and glory and health, but then u will b hounded and humiliated and disgraced out of office, your credibility and name in tatters forever.

Late Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe reacting to Chuba Okadigbos 'ranting of an ant'. . .

Funny enough, it all happened like he said!

My guy, the gibberish you posted there is not[b] oratory[/b].

PhysicsMHD:
lol. S.L. Akintola was reportedly more charismatic than Awolowo. As for Awolowo, I think you may be confusing prestige and sagacity (the major characteristic usually attributed to him) for charisma. Charisma isn't the be all and end all of politics, anyways. Nkrumah nearly ruined Ghana's economy despite all his charisma, while Awolowo did the opposite for his region (and incidentally, both were involved with cocoa in this regard.)

I forgive you!  It seems you dont know him, never heard him speak and all that.

No, I am not confusing charisma with sagacity, he is extremely charismatic!

But, I understand where you are coming from!

Charisma: a personal attractiveness that enables you to influence others. Ever heard of the word Awoist? what about Ojukwuist?

PhysicsMHD:
Question for those who know more about Nigeria's educational system  (I know nothing really). Someone said the WAEC exams can be compared to the SAT subject tests. Is this in fact true? And what is the passing grade for a WAEC subject (what number/percentage out of what number/percentage to get a credit)? I ask because for the SAT subject tests, in America, around 50-60% get above a 650 out of 800 (which might be like an 80/100 in a way). In addition, is there any data on just how badly the students are failing? (By a lot or by a little) What are the mean scores, std dev., etc.

Look WAEC and SAT cannot be compared.

I took both and I can tell you that the focus and emphasis of the two exams are different. WAEC is a certificate exam, it tests your mastery of what you were taught in secondary school. The SAT on the other hand is a projective exam that seeks to test your readiness for college grade work.


May be JAMB and SAT. Even at that, JAMB is not a standardized exam. It is a wuruwuru exam, being passed off as some sort of standardized exam. The more you study for the exam ( meaning that the more you cram) , the better you do. Scores dont vary that much on SAT. But for JAMB, questions are straightforward and fairly easy for the prepared. SAT depends to some extent on your test taking skills.

PhysicsMHD:
Haile Selassie (also politically brilliant)

Thomas Sankara

Patrice Lumumba

Kwame Nkrumah

Nelson Mandela

Nnamdi Azikiwe

Chukwuemeka Ojukwu

That's the real list right there. Anything else is fabrication.

May thunder strike your Nyansh for including Ojukwu while at the same time ignoring Awo and Bola Ige.

SEFAGO: Second have you examined the structure of African languages. They are primitive to the core.

PhysicsMHD:
It can be done. Have faith.

There are two major roles that any national language can play. It can feature as a subject in the school curriculum and also as the medium of instruction in other subject. It is in the latter sense that language is being used here. Such language therefore, verbal or nonverbal is a means to an end. It is used to communicate ideas, thought, events etc.,from one person to another. For the language to be useful the person to whom it is spoken should be able to internalise it and understand the message which is central. To the extent that he cannot express his thoughts or ideas neither can he understand most of the messages passed to him through that medium, then such a language can be deemed to be of limited or no use to the person. Imagine what will happen if that person is forced by circumstances to learn another subject matter in this language! Scientific and technological developments are in currency all over the world and any language (like any nation) that fails to acknowledge this fact and thus develop capacities to absorb scientific terms, concepts and expressions is doomed to obsolescence. Such language will gradually phase out. English language, for example has been able to accommodate scientific terms that are of Latin and Greek origin in addition to inventing other words to meet the demand of scientific development. Such invented words include infra-red, ultra-violet, ultrasonic, supersonic, ultra-modern, anabolic, katabolic (catabolic) intracellular, extra-cellular

T[b]here are many words, expressions etc., which were not hitherto known in English langauge but have been incorporated and widely used as a result of its contact with science langauge.[/b] Thus it can be said that language can be learnt through science and technology. A similar chance for development as is described for English language can also be made to come the way of the three Nigeria major languages i.e, Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba. These languages, including Igbo, the least developed of the three have capacities for assimilating words, terms and expressions from other languages and other cultures. In Yoruba langauge, for instance, there are such words as redio, komputa, suga, baluu or oko ofurufu, keke, biro, rula, which were originally unknown in the language which are now in relatively common use because of the influence of modern technology.

PhysicsMHD:
Please elaborate on this.

I thought SEFAGO goofed a lil there

Very condescending!

It turns out that this not a new problem:

On English language, Aboderin  in 1986 writes: "An analysis of available results from 1964 to 1972 reveals that the percentage of candidates who gained distinction or credit fluctuates between 19% and 24%( Sounds familiar?)while more than 30% of the candidates failed in the English langauge examination each year. T[b]he distinction credit pass fell to about 16% in 1979 while more than 50% failed[/b]. Available reports for 1983 to 1985 also show that performances range from 5.14% to 14.49% at distinction/credit level while failure range from 59.08% to 82.49%.

Why cant we just try a new approach?

jason123:
Atleast you agree. It shows we can dialogue.

okay, you and I know that the north does not want resource control. Why? because they would be the worst of the bunch! Firstly, the yorubas have the largest gas reserves in nigeria, the SS has oil (we all know) and the east has oil too but not as much as the SS or SW but its complimented by their hardworking and industrious nature. The north. . . .  .I have not seen anything tangible (no offence, seriously). As for the negotiation, IF THE SW,SS AND SE WITH THE MIDDLE BELT  want to leave THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR NEGOTIATION. Why? why should they negotiate if nothing would be gained? And why would the North want to wipe out themselves So there would be no negotiation. If there is, ITS AN ACT OF GOOD WILL.

PS: I have tried to reduce the offensiveness of the post but this is the best. Pls, be mature about your reply.

edited

Very well said.

BTW, The North has groundnut and I think Tin and copper and may be Bitumen

PS: I really like you on your best days and I think today is one of those days.

SEFAGO:
Come to think of it why is cheating a part of Nigerian Culture and we dont even know how to cheat effectively?

i took JAMB too, and while sitting down not disturbing anyone the proctors were trying to sell me the answers to JAMB. After I had wisened up to the WAEC incident and that "if you cannot beat them, join them"  . I decided to purchase my own copy with my lunch money.  From my knowledge of the subjects I was taking, I was sure that 80-85% of the questions were wrong. Why all the Nigerian students were stupidly copying down the answers, I just threw the crap away. Even our teachers and students cannot cheat effectively.

C[b]heating is so wide spread in Nigeria. I am 100% sure that no one can claim they have not cheated or seeked expo before even fstranger ;[/b]D. The even cheat for common entrance.

Truth be told, i saw my Chemistry paper a day before the exam. I crammed the answers as I am good with memorization. But I never tried to cheat during exams. I have never cheated during exams, never!

You are actually more Nigerian than I think. But why do you come across as Omo butty on NL.

Ababio Ababio. . . I will never forget those days!

What about modern Biology and PN Okeke!

And Lambert! HAHAHAHAHAh

I was 14 when I took my SSCE, in  a state school in some goddamn village in Ife, during the ife modakeke clash, yet I cleared it once and for all, with a respectable A2 in English


Sefago, Who is your daddy?

So you are 20 yrs old? You are such a baby!

SEFAGO

How old were you when you took WAEC and JAMB and hoe did you do in JAMB

I have a feeling I did better than you!

asha 80:
what i meant that if he was going to tell me that he can as well tell you that.w[b]hat we are discussing is broad based view on this issue as it affects the way we do things here and not ethnicity,tribe or whatever as it is irrelevant to issues being discussed here.[/b]

OK!

High five, we beat them silly!

I am glad we won, thanks for your help!

Eku_Bear is a tough cookie, but as you can tell, we defeated him.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=582709.msg7505050#msg7505050 date=1294702991]@fstranger, be real with yourself. If you move back to Nigeria and are a wealthy doctor, are you going to give your kids some kooky experimental indigenous high school education? Or will you pony up the $15K a year to send your kid to one of the American International Schools in Nigeria (or schools of that caliber)? And after they finish there, you'd presumably want to send them to the Harvards, Stanfords, Princetons of the world, right?[/quote]Truth be told, with the system as it is now, i would not want to gamble with the future of my kids. Yes, i would do exactly as you have articulated above because it would be stupit to do otherwise. Doing otherwise tantamount to trying to stop a train with a bicycle.

If it is your own blood, your own kids, you know that you aren't going to do crazy experiments with them. You'll give them what works, what will lead to them having a good life.

Again, I am not looking at individuals. my radical approach is an attempt to help the students failing WAEC and NECO while at the same time trying to lift my people to an enviable position in the comity of nations.

asha 80:
sorry bros but tribe or my people has nothing to do with this.it is the simple truth.try to think above tribe.it[b] is eating you up.you can also tell that fstranger[/b].

What do you mean?

asha 80:
Sorry bros but we are not beating anybody at their own game because it is simply not going to happen.  

My sentiments exactly.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=582709.msg7505013#msg7505013 date=1294702353]fstranger1: I found out from my dad that his driver is actually a distant relation of ours. The driver is 25, I'm 25. My paternal grandmother and his grandmother are cousins.

The ONLY difference between him and I is that my great-grandfather said, "Hey, let me put down this sh1t which doesn't work and master what the white man has learned!"

For all I know, in the time of my grandmother, the driver's family was richer and more respected in my town than mine.

Future generations are at stake. You don't want your descendants to be cursing your name because you fvcked up and got caught up in some silly pride.[/quote]Again, you are looking at this issue from a very myopic angle. If the whole system reverts to, say, a system where our  native language is the language of the government, trying to learn English would be obstructive to progress and upward mobility. I am looking at the issue form the 'big picture' angle, but you, my friend, are looking at it  microscopically, sighting one anecdotal evidence. In the example you just gave above, n is still 1, and I am sure you know what I mean when I say n=1. But it makes sense that your grandfather did that because in those days, white people reigned supremo in Nigeria and to move up the social ladder, you have to speak their language and do things their way. We have done it for 50 years now, yet we have nothing to show for it.

Why cant we use the Chinese, the Japanes, the German, the Russian and the British and the American models, where we pass information and instruct pupils in a language they are most familiar with, rather than impose a foreign way of thinking on them. Like i said, the experiment has been done before and it was pretty successful. And it has now been implemented in Norway and the country is the better for it.

Kobojunkie:
Here is the funny thing . . they know what to do, they just do not do it.  

I don't think we are close where we can compare what we have with what is obtained in the developed world. For one, we have decades of infrastructure problems to tackle. If we at least tackled 20 years worth of the decay(roll things back to the level it was back 20 years ago), we are likely to see the number go from 79.6% to about 68%. And the more we tackle the base, the more we will see the same pupils we feel today are having issues, do better and better. N[b]ow, maybe somewhere in there we can also add changes to the curriculum to enhance the educational experience for them and likely improve the numbers as well. [/b]

Look the curriculum is good as it is. This is the same curriculum that the British used to invent the Telescope, the Americans used the same curriculum to land on the moon. The problem is internalization of what is being taught. We need to do it differently. Insanity, according to Einstein, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Lets try Tiwan tiwa!

Sup Madam Kobo?

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=582709.msg7504945#msg7504945 date=1294701137]Well, I'm trying to take advantage of the existing education infrastructure (and funding!) available abroad. Lots of universities in the US for example have academic scholarships, even for internationals. Though of course usually you have to be exception to get these scholarships, even at the crap universities in the US.

Still though, if I'm charge of Ekiti State, I transition the system over to one that models the US one so my students are better able to compete for admissions and money from that country. Whatever monies they get means more money is freed up to educate those who cannot get scholarships to the US.[/quote]The problem with your approach is that you want the easy way out. Somehow you want us to forever be tied to the apron strings of the west.  Last year on PBS, Charlie Rose had as his guest the President of Yale and Charlie Rose asked him about recruitment  of international student and the Yale president said that they are recruiting from Asia. And when pressed further by Charlie Rose, he said that Asia is where the 'most' talented students are.
And you and I know that non of the Asian countries use English as their medium of instruction. We need to work on being independent of the west, not depend on them for every little thing.

Implicit in your 'abraod' argument is the 'irritating' notion that we are inferior to Whites and we need them to survive. The earlier we take our destiny in our hands, the better for us as a nation.