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CannibalEast:
Just the same Jehovah can not save pisreal from Iran drone,the mumu abandon isreal and started converting Iranian into Christianity

I don't know who fed you with the trash you just spewed.

You mean bowing down to wood and stone, killing twins and worshipping measles a god is superior to worshipping tje Creator of heaven and earth?

Where did you put your reasoning? See the screenshots below to get rid of the ignorance you displayed in your trash.

The first screenshot is a video of org surrender. I don't know how to extract the links from Facebook.

Here is an excerpt from the second screenshot:


"b]As a neutral observer of the unfolding events in the Middle East, I reckon the Iranian regime seem to have been overestimated in terms of its military prowess.

Contrary to popular belief, it would probably be a significant misjudgment to rank Iran as a stronger military force than Ukraine.

It appears that U.S. and Israeli military operations in Iran may conclude sooner than originally anticipated. The global perception of Iran as an untouchable entity seemingly led many to assume that any military engagement would trigger the involvement of its proxies and allies, escalating into a full-scale war across the whole gulf region. However, this has not materialized.

Remarkably, within just two days, the regime suffered losses of key leaders and top officials.

And the only way they could retaliate was to hit their neighbours unprovoked? what objectives were they hoping to achieve with that action?

This seems to indicate a profound miscalculation.

Instead of pursuing engagement with the U.S. and Israel, they resorted to unprovoked attacks on sovereign nations.

This raises serious questions about their strategic thinking. Today, Iran appears increasingly isolated, with U.S. and Israeli air forces seemingly operating largely unchallenged in their airspace.

Their supposed allies, China and Russia, have remained largely passive, offering little beyond moral support.

This isolation is compounded by Iran's aggressive actions against wealthy Gulf states and even a European nation without provocation.

It’s likely that China has greater economic interests in the UAE and Saudi Arabia than in Iran. Moreover, China seems to adopt a wait-and-see approach, maintaining neutrality to safeguard its relationship with Iran in the event of a regime change.

Meanwhile, Pakistan’s preoccupation with Afghanistan further limits any potential assistance for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). The Iranian ambition to close the Strait of Hormuz begs the question: how does this contribute to a winning strategy? Disrupting economic activities would further create more problems for them if for anything some of their supposed allies ply their trade via that corridor.

My observation indicates the Iranian leadership has been outmaneuvered and has engaged in a series of miscalculations. If they wish to avoid further bombardment and escalation, an immediate shift toward diplomatic dialogue is imperative.

I don’t really see them winning this one"[/b]

Truthseeker10:
Says a man who claims to have absolutely concrete agreement with the word of God and still claims that those who contradict him on the identity of Christ will be saved. You sound confused oga. You need rest.

If you're hot confused, can you tell me where the Bible says the knowledge of the identity of Christ is a require for salvation. Or tell me where the Bible says being aligned with me or Paul or Peter or John or anybody is a prerequisite for being saved.

Until you purge yourself of the organized lies and deception of your JW cult, you cannot but remain confused.

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sonmvayina:
Then you really don't know how to compare......or understand anything.

Let's test it.

I don't need to argue with you but I must tell you that you're the one who don't know how to objectively study materials without being influenced by external propaganda.

Just see the screenshots attached.

Truthseeker10:
You already claim to have concrete absolutely agreement with the word of God. By virtue of your statement below, You claim that others who are in contradiction with you on the identity of Christ will also be saved.

"Any decision you make, you'll be saved as long as it's a sincere decision based on your understanding of what you studied."

Because I'm not the yardstick for anybody's salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
The truth is each of you wants to stand on his personal resolution after you've read the Bible that is what led to many teachers contradicting themselves.
God is not wicked so He warned us not to really on our own understanding {Proverbs 3:5} but to study with others before concluding on what the scripture is teaching. Act 8:31
God is not for disorder {1Corinthans 14:33} that is why Jesus prayed that we have the same line of thought {John 17:22} that can't be possible if everyone wants to be his own personal teacher of God's word.
So there are two qualities that will help us:

HUMILITY and RIGHTEOUSNESS! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Humility in the sense that we should be willing to yield as we see our fellow believers agree upon the interpretation of scriptures when their interpretation is producing fine fruit but when we insist that God must talk to each of us personally then humility is no longer their because that means there shouldn't be teachers among Christians after all everyone can learn from God directly.
Now this how God will judge such individuals:
If you're not willing to be boy boy for anyone it's OK but then you shouldn't expect anyone to be boy boy under you, you should welcome everyone as independent teachers of God's word who don't need you to teach them but once you disagree with that idea then what you are judging them for will come back to you! Matthew 7:1-4

The only human whose teacher we can not see is Jesus but he keeps telling us that there is someone who is teaching him so all glory and honor goes to that person. John 5:30

It's Satan who doesn't want to be boy boy for anyone not even for his Creator that's why Jesus said Satan fabricates everything by himself as his own teacher {John 8:44} but he has many followers having the same attitude like him they are never ready to be boy boy for anyone yet they want others to be their boy boy!🙂

Nobody is saying you should not study with others. But even when studying with others, be a Berean. The Bereans didn't believe Paul until they search the scriptures themselves with all sincerity. Eventually, they followed Christ and their faith grew.

The Pharisees also had their own gatherings and doctrines. They held on to their doctrunes without searching the Scriptures like the Bereans did. They missed Christ.

Be a Berean. Otherwise, you'll follow lied religiously while missing Christ.

Kushites:
Why do you love foreign religions so much?

Don't you have a name for the Almighty in your language and traditional religion?

Ifa is far superior to that colonial imported christianity you follow.

Ifa that could not save you from the colonists is far superior?

Think!

Truthseeker10:
According to your statement below, After studying the Bible we can all end up in contradiction about the identity of Christ and be saved.

"Any decision you make, you'll be saved as long as it's a sincere decision based on your understanding of what you studied."

Should my sincere understanding of Scripture be rejected if I'm in a quest to absolutely align with the Bible?

Should I be lost in my bid to be absolutely correct with God instead of man?

Truthseeker10:
According to you. After studying the Bible we can all end up in contradiction about the identity of Christ and be saved.

"Any decision you make, you'll be saved as long as it's a sincere decision based on your understanding of what you studied."

How can you end up with contradictions about the Bible when you all align with it, and are sincere about what is written?

Truthseeker10:
According to you. After studying the Bible we can all end up in contradiction about the identity of Christ and be saved.

"Any decision you make, you'll be saved as long as it's a sincere decision based on your understanding of what you studied."

Would you answer my questions and stop misrepresenting me?

Truthseeker10:
So babies in Christ can believe christ is one God or one of three Gods and be saved?

Why are you dodging the questiond? Are you afraid of answering them?

Whatever you know today, did you know them the day you got converted? Would you be saved that day if you died, even though you didn't know what you know today back then?

Truthseeker10:
So you mean one can be a Christian without the true knowledge of the identity of Christ?

Anything he thinks Christ is leads to salvation according to you.

Would you answer my questions, or find something else to do?

Does a child have to know the identity of his father the very day he was born to be a true child of his father?

Do you know what the Bible calls "Babies in Christ"?

Answer my questions please.

Truthseeker10:
So you mean a Muslim does not need to know the identity of Christ whether is is one God or not. It does not matter to his salvation?

Below in bold is your statement.

"Any decision you make, you'll be saved as long as it's a sincere decision based on your understanding of what you studied."

According to your statement above, any contradictory conclusions that people have on the identity of Christ leads to salvation?

Positions are based on knowledge!

Your positions change as you know better. Should God judge based on changing positions? God is not a fool.

I have asked you a question, you refused to answer.

1. Would the Muslim know everything about Christ the very moment he got converted?

2. Would he be lost for the things he does not currently know?

Answer me.

Truthseeker10:
But according to you, any belief about the identity of Christ does not matter in salvation. Whether one believes he is One God Or one out of three God, Isn't it?

Is that the absolute agreement you got from the word of God?

You guys are just plain ignorant. And very illogical too.

Listen, let me ask you a question, as I don't know why you keep asking illogical questions. Yet, I tried all my best to answer you.

Now if someone who is a Muslim got converted today. He knows nothing about Trinity or no Trinity. He has no doctrune whatsoever. But, he believes that Christ died and rose again for his salvation. That's all he knows for now.

Let me ask you. Will he be saved if he dies today?

Learning is a progressive endeavor. God does not judge you on the basis of what you know today about Him or doctrine because, with more knowledge, you could change your perception tomorrow. He judges you on the basis of whether you accept Jesus as your Savior or not. Simple as ABC. All other things are variables. Except you deliberately do wickedness and reject what you KNOW to be the Truth.

Believe the Lord Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Stay true to the Bible to the best of your knowledge. Confirm all doctrines. Serve God in all sincerity. You'll be saved.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣in all of these that you've Witten above, you've just called yourself a liar.

You claim to have absolute concrete agreement with the word of God. But you are here giving out the possibility that other ideas that contradict yours are also ideas that leads to salvation.

You are very funny.

You're the liar.

I have never said any idea, either mine or others lead to salvation.

I have consistently said that the only thing that leads to salvation is your solid belief in the finished works of Christ on Calvary.

You're just a mischief maker.

Truthseeker10:
So now that you've taught us that the father son and holy spirit is one person, and we don't accept, will we be saved?

Why do you like repeating questions already answered?

I have taught you. Did God say I'm your final authority? The Bible is your final authority. Go and study more like the Bereans and make your decision. Any decision you make, you'll be saved as long as it's a sincere decision based on your understanding of what you studied.

[<quote]1)So FxMasterz.....are you saying that me associating with you in respect to Jesus command in John 13:34, 35 is foolishness because you could be error too?[/quote]If you believe everything I say without first confirming things yourself, you're foolish.

If you believe any doctrine without first confirming from the Scriptures yourself, you're foolish.

If you take anything from any man without taking the Bible as your final authority, you're foolish.

2)You claim to have concrete absolute agreement with the word. Does that mean that the whole of christendom should come to you to learn the whole truth of the word?

The question you're asking is preposterous.

Every Believer should have concrete and absolute agreement with the Word for himself. No one needs to go to anybody to learn the whole truth without ensuring that the said truth is in absolute alignment with the Word of God.

Do you know any other person on this platform or elsewhere who has absolute agreement with the word just like you?

Ask God about that. I am not an umpire in the Kingdom.

I strive myself to be be in absolute alignment with the Word of God. Everyone should do the same, and let God judge His people

sonmvayina:
Have you seen the laws Marduk gave to Hamurabi? which is like 2000+ years before the Jews came into existence
much of the Jewish laws are just recaps or recast of earlier Babylon myths and legends, where Marduk is the chief God. it was even Marduk who asked them to go to Babylon during the exile to learn about him.....see the book of Jeremiah.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v0uFpzPyQ?si=XneaLlb0ST9xJRHt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y2IHhYJzg4?si=X7ighgm8eHXzJFgJ

I have seen the laws of Hammurabi. They're not in anyway similar to the Torah.

God1000:
This is coming from a man that claimed all
the Iranian missiles have been destroyed

Why the misinformation?

You refused to complete what he said because you wanted to do mischief.

He said Iran had more missiles than anyone though but all have been destroyed.

“I think the war is very complete, pretty much,” the president said. “[Iran has] no navy, no communications, they’ve got no air force. Their missiles are down to a scatter. Their drones are being blown up all over the place, including their manufacturing of drones.”

Bananapill:
Country of particular concern indeed.
Some of the areas we need to protest is to ensure dangote gets crude before shipment is done abroad. If government refuses to listen, we block every channel through which crude oil leaves Nigeria. We seal pipelines and ports, if we cannot get fuel at cheaper rates, then the government will not earn forex.

Well said.

We must prune down the 47 leeches too!

Truthseeker10:
Below are your statements.

"If God personally appears to someone and tells them He's a triune God, and that person continues to claim God isn't triune, that individual is sinking. He could be lost for deceiving people."

If you deliberately tell it as a lie when you have known the truth, you won't be save because you are a false witness.



Explain the bolded.

I believe I'm discussing with a mature mind and not a kid.

Do I have to break it down into snippets? By what I said, I meant if you have special revelation, a direct instruction for God Himself, you could be sinning for rejecting Him.

Special revelation occur, but they're rare. However, God reveals Himself through the Bible. Study the Bible without any bias and without being pre-conditioned by human doctrine, you'll see clearly what God wants and whom God is by the help of His Holy Spirit.

Not everyone attains that level. Those who strain that level have clearer understanding of God guided by the desire to know the truth and not mere doctrines. It is the Truth that'll make you free. Not doctrines.

In short, everyone moves according to his level of understanding. God doesn't judge you based on your understanding. He judges you based on the truth you know that you rejected. Salvation itself is based on the finished work of Christ on Calvary, nothing else.

If you don't know the truth and you spread misinformation. You're not lying. You're misinformed. A lie is a deliberate distortion of the truth.

Apollos didn't know the truth. God accepted him. Aquilla and Priscilla met him when he was preaching, took him and expanded tje scriptures to him more clearly. He ran with the truth of that new revelation, and continued to be accepted by God.

The Pharisees on the other hand knew the truth, but rejected it, that's why they were condemned. The kept the lie because it was their means of livelihood.

You cannot call an ignorant person a liar for sharing what he thinks to be the truth. A lie is a DELIBERATE distortion of truth.

You should be old enough to differentiate a lie from an ignorant perspective.

You can be ignorant. God understands. However, once you know the truth, you are no longer guiltless

It is clearly written in the Bible. I know you don't know. Ask, and I'll provide you with the verse.

God revealing Himself to you and instructing you is the highest confirmation of truth you can have. If you reject it, then, you're deliberately a liar.

If man teaches you what he found in the Bible, and you see it clear written in the Bible, and you reject it in preference for human doctrines you're deliberately a liar.

If your rejection is due to a lack of understanding, you're not a liar. You want to be true but your understanding is low.

That's why Paul advised the Corinthians "In malice, be ye children, but in understanding, be men."

God revealing Himself and speaking is not the only way through which God communicates. I.jyst used it to indicate to you that if you deliberately reject something you know to be truth in preference to a lie, then you're guilty.

Below is your statement.

"But someone who didn't know,but was serving God sincerely thinking God is not triune, he would be saved. Nobody knows God more than what God has revealed of Himself individually to that person."


So you're telling us here that your Knowledge of God which involves christ could be a lie and that God did not personally reveal himself to you?



So those who claim that God is three persons are not in error and you don't have to disassociate yourself from them?

You mean you worship God with them in disagreement?

Every man is liking his understanding of scriptures. We are not called to agree with men but to agree with the Bible.

All these your stand about being in agreement with other men is foolishness. The men you're agreeing with are not your Savior. They're not your God. They could be in error too. They're not infallible. Seek the Word and agree with the Word.

All I share here are in absolute agreement with the Word. I have concrete scripture foundation for anything I hold as doctrine. And you cannot tell me otherwise because I am more concerned about the truth than I am concerned about loyalty to an organization.

If you can use the Bible to disprove me in all clarity, I will port immediately. I understand that I'm not infallible too. I may miss what the Scriptures say. Prove me wrong, and I'll go study again for myself and choose the truth only. But in this issue of Trinity, I have studied extensively, and 8 fully understand the matter. As far as the Bible is concerned, God is One, and zHis manifestation 3. He functions as God, Lord and Infinite Helper. All these are 3 functions exhibited by seemingly 4 persons but all these persons are One. The Rock of the Old Testament is Yahweh. In the new testament, Jesus is the Rock. Since we have only one Rock. Both Yahweh and Jesus would remain the same Person until you can show me clearly that the Scriptures support two Rocks.

And yes, I can fellowship with all believers who believe that Christ died for our sins and that He is coming back for our redemption. Believers who believe that Christ is the Lord and Savior of mankind and are true to these beliefs. This is what makes us one in Christ. Not doctrines. Doctrines can differ. They do not separate us from Christ. Members of a family do not necessarily have to agree on everything to be family. Even you could have may areas in which you disagree with your bruises and sisters. Does that stop you from being family? Does that make you dissociate yourself from your family? Answer me!

What makes you family is more than mere personal views. What makes us children of God is more than mere doctrines.

Truthseeker10:
1)🤣🤣🤣so people on this platform who have heard your teaching about the father son and holy spirit and are not in agreement with it would not be saved?

Why are you pestering me with this question as if their salvation is based on an agreement with me?

Salvation is a constant. Revelation is a variable. Nobody knows God 100%. Nobody can. Whatever you know of God is your spiritual capital in this world. It doesn't take you to heaven or hell. Whatever you don't know of God limits your spiritual resources and capabilities in this world. That doesn't take you to heaven or hell.

Believe in the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved. Simple.

2)Are you telling us here that God did not personally appear to you to tell you that the Father son and holy spirit are one person?

Read the Bible and tell me how many people God has appeared to, to tell them about Himself? This your question is hilarious.

God reveals Himself to people progressively. Your stage in the knowledge of God does not guarantee you heaven or hell.

Your guarantee is based on Jesus' work on Calvary alone.

3)Do you have fellow worshippers who you associate with and love in respect to Jesus command in John 13:34, 35 that agrees with you on this your teaching?

I associate with all children of God in the world. Everyone who professes Christ as Lord is my fellow worshipper. We have the same Father because we were begotten by the same Word of God.

Truthseeker10:
1)So we can continue spreading the lie that the father son and holy spirit is three persons after you've told us here that he is one and we would be saved?

If you deliberately tell it as a lie when you have known the truth, you won't be save because you are a false witness. But if you spread it as a result of the lack of knowledge, you will be saved because you were sincere, you thought my position was wrong. You sincerely was serving God with your witness. You weren't deliberate deceitful.

2)Did God personally appear to you and claim that the Father and Son and holy spirit are one person?

That's what the Bible says. The whole revelation of scripture points only to One Lord, One Savior, One King, One Redeemer. They're not two. Hence, all the manifestations of the Lord, King, Redeemer, Saviour, The Rock, etc I. The Bible point to One person, and not multiple individuals.

Truthseeker10:
So now that you've told people on this platform that the Father, the son and the Holy spirit is one person, if they continue to claim that God is three persons, would they be saved?

They will be saved because their salvation does not hinge on the nature of God but on believing in what God did for them.

If God personally appears to someone and tells them He's a triune God, and that person continues to claim God isn't triune, that individual is sinking. He could be lost for deceiving people. But someone who didn't know,but was serving God sincerely thinking God is not triune, he would be saved. Nobody knows God more than what God has revealed of Himself individually to that person.

"The time of ignorance, God winked at". People don't get lost because of what they thought to be true. They get lost for rejecting God's offer of salvation for their souls.

sonmvayina:
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or they are referring to the same God with different names??

It is actually the norm but the Yahweh vs Marduk case is a peculiar one. The laws, mode of worship, attributes, etc of Yahweh are clearly different from that of Marduk. They can't be the same entity. Where there are gods bearing different names in different places, their mode of worship and rituals usually converge.

Christlike01:
Thank you very much for all your efforts. May God reward you abundantly for it all.

Amen.

Thanks for your kind words brother. God will continue to help us shine the light on their paths. May the Lord open their eyes and give them.peace.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself Paul left and returned to Damascus so this means he went there either to further his ministry as a missionary or rest for some time therefore if he lives where his fellow believers are he must never miss worshiping with them! Hebrews 10:24-25
So this means you are not like Paul because you are not associating with any congregation of believers even though they are all around you!🙂

Who told you I'm not associating with any congregation? I am in league with all believers who call upon the name of the Lord in truth.

Paul returned to join believers in Damascus, but there were some 3years in which he dissociated. If you dissociate from your congregation right now, even for one week, won't they call you an apostate?

But, Paul was alone for 3 good years associating with nobody. During those years, he was an apostate. He was not accepted by God. He lost is salvation. He was not worthy of paradise according to your doctrine.