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DeepSight:
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There are many things in the Bible I know are in the Bible but I still believe are false.

This is another ignorant statement.

The latest dead sea scrolls discovered in 2017 correlates evenly with the Bibles we have in circulation. What's your claim on falsehood based on?

But as regards you claiming that the death referred to in the Garden of Eden was the second death of Revelation, that is very debatable. I will not even go into the fact that that death promised in the Garden was said to be one that would happen in the very day that they ate the fruit. Which turned out not to be the case.

Listen, God told Adam and Eve in Eden that "...on the day thou earth from it, thou shalt die."

Did they die the physical death that day the earth it? No! But they died the spiritual death that day. This death is passed down to all men automatically. Eternal separation from God. Except you receive the gift of life in Jesus, you're considered spiritually dead according to Christian doctrine. You're only awaiting the wages of sin on the day of judgement.

If anything, the Serpent spoke the truth, saying that they would not die but become like God, knowing good and evil, which is exactly what happened.

So, God lied according to you, but the serpent spoke the truth. Didn't I tell you, you're very ignorant?

God does not consider physical death as death. Physical death is a transition. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc are not dead. They only transited. When I die physically, I'm not dead. I only transited. My father has transited. He is not dead in the actual sense of the word. He's waiting for me there above in God's Kingdom. Stephen didn't die when he was stoned. He only transited. He even saw Jesus waiting to receive him.

Psalm 116:15 says:

"Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his faithful servants."

God loves it when His faithful servant dies because, to God, it is not death, it is homecoming.

The real death, is the death of those who cannot come home.

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No amount of grammar can wish away the fact that he prayed for the cup to pass over his head. In short, he didnt want it. Certainly not at the point of that prayer.

Even if you show other verses where he says it was his will, then that discloses contradictions.

And if we say that it was not contradictory, but just an expression of his human fear, you really must interrogate again the idea that he is also God.

I have told you that He event was to let us know He was in pains. No other part of the gospels tells us what pains Jesus went through except these verses of Gethsemane.

If you say He didn't do it willingly, were you the one who forced Him? Or, can you show us how He was actually forced into giving up Himself?

Most times, exams are not easy for many students. Many students would pray earnestly for the exams to be shifted, cancelled or even suspended permanently with an alternative provision for promotion. None of these happens but the students still write the exams anyway. Were they forced then to write the exams? They wrote it willingly, just as Jesus gave Himself willingly even though He could have wished for some alternatives.

Wishing an unpleasant situation away is not the same thing as not willingly embracing it. Soldiers don't want to go to war because they don't want to die. They go willingly into war and die anyway. And that, without being forced. They do it willingly!

Do women enjoy the pains of childbirth? No! They wished the birth pangs could pass over. But, are they forced to birth children? No! They donut willingly!

The Gethsemane episodes were the beginning of Jesus' birth pangs that birthed a new generation of believers.

MaxInDHouse:
World Rulers are not servants of God

Max. Whom should we believe? You, or the Bible!/?

Romans 13:4:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.

tctrills:
I think our good friend Deepsight is only looking for a got you moment nothing more
He completely understands your explanation on the topic. No need to press further.

Deepsight let's go to the next subject.

Thanks for the feedback brother.

God bless you for this good work.

DeepSight:
FxMasterz

This verse shows that you are wrong on the second death being what was referred to in the Garden of Eden.

Romans 5:12: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—"

I had wanted to quote this verse to further buttress my point. I never knew you'll misinterpret it.

Yes, the death meant here is the natural death. But, look at that verse very well. It says this death comes to ALL MEN.

Meanwhile, the wages of sin do not come to All Men. It's only for sinners. Or, you don't understand what wages are? Physical death is not a wage at all in Christian doctrine.

The wages are paid during judgment. Not before. The judgement gives the second death as wages for sin, and eternal life as wages for righteousness.

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.

You fist need to understand that wages are not paid at the point of physical death but at the point of judgement. Without the judgement , the wages cannot be given.

Jesus said "I come quickly, and my reward/wages is with me to give to every man according as his works shall be." This is the judgement.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you please quote the post where i blackmailed as you have accused me?🤔


Jesus was addressing his disciples as a group so they won't join or support in the killing of their neighbors or fellow believers in other lands since they must love their neighbors {Mark 12:31} and fellow believers! John 13:34-35

So whoever raises weapons to settle issues is not a disciple of Jesus:

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52

Above is Jesus' order (command) to all his disciples whether in the first century, present or future because he was working towards achieving God's will as prophesied in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3

Jesus was commanding His disciples. He wasn't commanding nations or rulers.

The Bible says, Rulers bear the sword for good reasons. Romans 13:4.

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
Jesus commanded his disciples never to raise weapons in settling disputes but Satan is in support of violence just as he used Cain to kill Abel.


Just as God permitted Satan to rule the world {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} the same way God permitted Satan's agents to take position as world rulers:

We have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12

Why are true believers against the world governments and authorities?

Because they are working for Satan! Luke 4:5-7

Jesus said the authority was given to them from above {John 19:11} because God permitted them until the time they will be DESTROYED by God's Kingdom! Daniel 2:44

Can you see that you are a deceiver?

You deliberately cut off the part of the Scripture that says that the person in authority is a servant of God for the purposes of leadership and justice.

Romans 13:4: reads:
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.

I expect you to continue trying to deceive instead of pivoting back to the Word of God and submitting to it.

MaxInDHouse:
Bring evidence that i blackmailed you nah!😂

So how many were the living among soldiers who weren't following Jesus when he referred to all those who are not his disciples as DEAD PEOPLE? Luke 9:60

Were the living soldiers a special class of dead people among all others who were not soldiers?

How many people did Jesus healed and did the centurion became one of Jesus' disciples afterwards?

Absolutely. Even in the Acts of Apostles, there were soldiers and people from Herod's household among the disciples. Cornelius was a soldier . He gathered other soldiers as himself among his neighbors during Peter's visit. Why didn't Peter tell them to lay down their arms?

SarcasticWords:
Another wasted time.



Weldone my brother. He has nothing to say.Complete silence in the thread. Another job perfectly done. I salute you sir!

Thank you very much sir.

May God open their eyes. They're more than deceived. They've been captured.

DeepSight:
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You are only looking for excuses and escape routes. But let us leave this.

I deliberately quoted scriptures and gave you a Google AI screenshot because I know how deeply ignorant you are, yet you still reject the truth. That's a basic Christian doctrine. Very fundamental. Tomorrow, you'll come and tell me that you too have read the Bible extensively.

As for me, I'm not even here to argue with you. I just wanted to clarify things.

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If it was his will, why did he pray for the cup to pass over him and then said not his will but the will of the father should be done?

Because, He wanted us to know that even though He was not born of man, the experience wasn't an easy one for Him. He wanted us to know the extent of His agony and the excruciating pains The had to go through, and the depth of His love for us. If He hadn't done that, many of us would think He escaped pains because He was supernaturally enabled and made for the task.

The Gethsemane prayers makes us appreciate His sacrifice and know truly that He really suffered. Otherwise, being the Son of God, we'll think He didn't feel any pain.

Do you know what Jesus answered Pilate when he was boasting that he has the power to release Jesus? Jesus replied him that Pilate can do nothing for, or against Him except it was given him from above. I want you to go and think on that.

DeepSight:
Tctrills,

I am sorry to say but this is a very watery and weak revert.



How can you magisterially and imperially proclaim this? Death is a factor that applies to living things in the physical world. Your bible however insists that it is the result of sin. I ask again if animals sin. On what grounds do you exempt animals from this quagmire?



Dont be absurd.



One can repent without believing in the ritual human sacrifice teaching which says that the death of Christ is what saves one.



Yes - and repentance is not dependent on any belief in blood sacrifice. Repentance involve genuine contrition, seeking the forgiveness of God and those hurt and a determination to change one's ways.



This is pagan.


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Then we can only conclude that scripture contradicts itself in this matter.

I just want to make a few clarifications to further enhance your understanding. And I believe Tctrills would give you the most balanced teachings on these. There are several things you do not know, yet you make hasty conclusions based on half knowledge.

1. The wages of sin is death: The death here does not refer to the physical death but to a type of death called "the second death". This death is an eternal separation from God. It is the real death because God created man originally for fellowship. Separation from God eternally is death as far as the Bible is concerned.

That's why, those who are forgiven and blood washed by Christ do not partake of the second death. Those who are not forgiven and are not washed are partakers of this death because it is their wage. Both the righteous and sinner die, but only the sinner dies the second death.

Revelation 21:8

"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

2. Jesus willingly gave Himself: Yes, He even rebuked Peter when he was praying against His crucification. And Jesus said it very clearly:

John 10:18

"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

He took it up again in 3 days.

He even said "Greater love has no man than this, that a man should lay down His life for His friends."

He constantly told the crowd in parable, "Destroy this temple, and I'll raise it up in three days".

Even in the Gethsemane prayer, He said "not as I will but Thy will be done"

When Peter cut off the ear of the servant of the high priest when they came to arrest Him, He told him, "Put your sword in its sheath. The cup that the Father has given me, shall I not drink it? How then shall the Scriptures be fulfilled?"

Jesus was the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:. God knew man was going to fall, Jesus was the plan B for man's restoration back to God. John the Baptist knew this. He called Him "The Lamb of God which takes away the sins of the world."

An animal was a propitiation for the sins of the whole nation of Israel according to the law of Moses. That animal was a type of the real Lamb that would propitiate the sins of the whole world once, and for all eternity.

Abel's blood spoke vengeance after Abel was killed. Jesus' blood speaks forgiveness and mercy till today.

There are many things you ought to know before it is too late.

MaxInDHouse:
Please how old are you?🤔
You accused someone and the accused asked for evidence you are saying the person you accused should provide the evidence?🥴

No.ome gives evidence to an hypocritical person. Only foolish people do.

False accusations is your calling.

In the deepest recess of your mind, the very depths of your soul, you know you're lying against me to have alleged me of false accusations. Another proof that you're not of God.

There are no soldiers or leaders among Jesus' disciples!😟

But there were soldiers in Jesus' nation of Israel whom He never condemned.

Infact, Jesus commended a centurion whose servant was healed, and He never condemned him for being a soldier. He even said he had faith never seen in Israel, and that many shall come from outside Israel to dine with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in God's Kingdom.

MaxInDHouse:
Because the authorities in charge of peaceful coexistence needs to know what is happening but when the hands of those in authority is involved or they are unable to handle the situation then we must flee. Matthew 10:23
The disciples Jesus was addressing were safe in their own land but Jesus talked about a time when those in the authority will be involved in hunting them and that is exactly what happened as Jewish religious leaders were the ones behind the attack on Jesus' disciples but when they got to Rome where Jewish religious leaders had no influence the disciples could go on with their preaching and teaching activities that's why the Jewish religious leaders started blackmailing Paul as they felt he is the only elite among the disciples who has nationalized as a Roman! Act 22:25

Why do you rely on the authorities? Is it because the authorities have sweet words for the attackers, or because they have wooden batons? Or, is it because the authorities have guns and weapons that they can use to enforce peace?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not asking for several posts but just one!😟

They're already in your head. Your heart knows it very well.

Jesus was addressing his own disciples who by faith are no citizens of any country {John 17:16} so it's wherever they are able to do God's will that's their home! John 4:23-24

Yeah, He was talking to me, not you who reject His Words.

He spoke to soldiers and leaders, and never asked them to disband national defense.

Well none of his disciples should raise a weapon to settle issues. Matthew 26:52

Because the teaching wasn't done in one day it was an ongoing process! John 16:12-13

Yeah, and none of us do.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you please quote the post where i blackmailed as you have accused me?

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I am not an hypocrite like you. No need to quote the several posts that everyone knows about.

Jesus was addressing his disciples as a group so they won't join or support in the killing of their neighbors or fellow believers in other lands since they must love their neighbors {Mark 12:31} and fellow believers! John 13:34-35

So whoever raises weapons to settle issues is not a disciple of Jesus:

Correct. Whoever. Not Any nation. Nations are no whoever.

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b]“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" Matthew 26:52[/b]

Above is Jesus' order (command) to all his disciples whether in the first century, present or future because he was working towards achieving God's will as prophesied in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:4 and Micah 4:3

He didn't say that to soldiers.

Why didn't He or John say that to soldiers when they asked what sins they must relinquish to enter eternal life?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course the attackers are angry rebellious individuals who couldn't fit in among God's people not bandits demanding money o!😟

Who cares whether they demand money or not. There are many churches and gatherings, even denominations that bandits have not attacked.

The question is "Why are you guys calling in the police when you were simply supposed to flee?"

MaxInDHouse:
Can't you just quote a post where i MaxInDHouse blackmailed you?😟

I have proved to you the reason why bandits can't notice Jehovah's Witnesses.

[1] We don't accumulate riches because our salvation doesn't depend on the material possessions we have! Luke 12:15

[2] We don't meddle with worldly politics {John 17:14-16} and bandits can choose to work for anybody including greedy politicians so since we don't interfere in politics they don't even notice us. Proverbs 22:3

[3] We are cautious anywhere churches of Christendom has incited jealousy so those seeking to attack them won't mistake us for them {Matthew 10:16} so when there's trouble regarding religion we leave such a place! Matthew 10:23

Keep lying to yourself. There were attacks on your kingdom halls in some nations of recent. Your devices in USA quickly called in the police. Very hypocritical organization.

I believe you're getting noticed in other nations because you gather riches and make the attached jealous.

Hypocrite. You never abide in the truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Please how many persons makes up FxMasterz?
Are you more than just one person?
Why do you refer to yourself as "WE"?🤔
Jesus told his disciples not to store their treasures on earth because that is what thieves (bandits) are eagerly and desperately seeking. Matthew 6:19-21
So when people are gathered and the motive is not in harmony with God's will then there is danger! Psalms 1:1
That is why bandits can't notice the Governing Body as these men have nothing to do with accumulating riches or interfering in politics.

You're just telling stories. Deflecting from the real question won't change the reality of your fake life.

MrEar:
No single light in MaxInDHouse and Janosky organisation. That is why they use the phrase "the light gets brighter". They are currently in darkness. and they want to spread that darkness everywhere but JESUS WILL NEVER ALLOW IT.

Amen!

Meanwhile MaxInDHouse is asking me if I understand the bible What exactly does he want to teach me? Lies he got from the mouth of his leaders in warwick?

After one week, any lie he teaches you today would be replaced by another lie. He'll say he got new light from his false prophets.

They currently have new light on the blood transfusion doctrine. Very shameless.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you are showing your real attitude by sticking to what you can't prove yet accusing God's people based on false accusations on social media!😟

What I can prove? It's your audacity for me! If you have any conscience at all, you wouldn't utter such a statement. I already know that JWs have no fear of God in them.

So where did he ask you to fight back instead of fleeing?

He was talking to me as an individual. He wasn't talking to a nation's soldiers.

MaxInDHouse:
God's word is for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness. 2Timothy 3:16
When two or three people agree on a conclusive point after studying the Bible you can only understand what they are doing if you are willing to consider the benefits {Isaiah 48:17-18} so if you don't care about the benefits there is no reason to bother yourself!

Is that what we asked you? Shame on you!

Bandits has a target before attacking people, the GB has nothing worth attacking them for! Matthew 6:19-21😟

So, the people being attacked are worthy of the attacks? How wicked can you get, guy?

Maxindhouse, Truthseeker10

Tell me, were your doctrines of forbidden blood transfusion, men not wearing beards, etc based on the Bible?

Since you want to teach us the Bible, tell us whether those doctrines changed because the Bible changed. We really want to know.

I am sure, the day bandits ransack the 11 man GB in USA to loot their treasuries and harm their loved ones, they'll immediately find a new revelation regarding war and arms. 😂😂 😆

MrEar:
😁😂

Jehovah witness organization of changes.

Organization of ever changing revelations and somersaulting doctrines. 😂 😂 😂

MrEar:
You have work to do. You have gone round preaching to people the lies your leaders gave you concerning blood.

Now, you have to go round again and confess to those people that what you said is a lie. Tell them the new instruction from Jesus.

Make sure you do that this Saturday and Sunday. 😁😂

Chai!

Very savage!

If he has any light in him, this should make him think very hard. But, I know he's full of darkness, he'll still put up a deceptive defence.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what you said:

So i asked you to present an evidence where i blackmailed you on this forum or you just made it up without any proof?🙂

I don't need to present what you and everyone already knows.

All i.know is that you have never preached love on this forum judging by title character. Your hypocrisy is legendary.

Good so he wasn't talking to Israel or Nigeria or England or America as a country rather Jesus was talking to his disciples in these countries!🙂

He was talking to the spiritual Israel. Those are His disciples, and I'm one of them!

MaxInDHouse:
You said:

Where is the evidence?

You're your evidence. Something everyone on this platform knows about? Even your question already gives you out as the biggest hypocrite of 2026!

All his disciples not people who thought he is insane nah! John 10:20😟

All His disciples present and future.

DeepSight:
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Its nonsensical, pagan, bloody, ritualistic and barbaric.

According to your understanding.

MaxInDHouse:
So you lied.

Lied that what?

How can he give instruction to a nation that doesn't recognize him?
Of course he was talking to him own disciples nah!🙂

But He said in Mark 13:37
"And what I say to you, I say to everyone: Keep watch!”

[quote author=DeepSight post=138983875][/quote]You actually don't understand a thing.

There's nothing pagan or blasphemous in God giving Himself for His beloved creation. The core idea behind Ecclesiastes and Proverbs establish that a sinner cannot go unpunished. Man must be punished for sins. Angels can't take punishment for man. It's impossible. God cannot overlook sin. It is injustice. Instead of punishing ma, God became man to take the punishment of man.

That's why John 3:16 says:

"For God so loved the world..."

MrEar:
The bolded is 100℅ facts.

Right now, it is those they call apostates and worldly people that are happy the organization leaders have changed their doctrine on blood. It is those they call apostates and worldly people that feel sad for those witnesses who died for nothing because of false blood doctrines.

Witnesses like MaxInDHouse and Janosky don't feel anything. They are even angry over the change in blood doctrines. They are not happy that witnesses now have a chance to save their lives when it comes to issues related to blood transfusion.

That is why Jesus is seriously working on that organization. The hatred and wickedness there is just too much. 🙂

Gbam!

You said it all.

And at the height of their wickedness, they violently separate families and destroy the harmony in a home in the name of punishing an apostate. The family goes into disarray, and these JW guys rejoice very greatly.

DeepSight:
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My favorite books, Ecclesiastes and Proverbs.

That's nice.

They exemplify the core idea behind the whole book called the Bible.

If you understand these two books, you'll also understand why God had to make Himself a man in order to redeem man.

DeepSight:
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Deep.

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The Bible is actually deep.

He's quoting Ecclesiastes 7:1