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Truthseeker10:
Look at this cunning man. Were you not the one that has been talking about the requirements for salvation?

So you spreading lies about the nature of God is not a hindrance to your salvation?

If You disobey Jesus command to love one another by associating and exhorting those who are not in error, will you be saved?

Lies are different from ignorant!

God does not judge by human standards. God judges through intent. Even if you spread truth with bad intent, you'll be courting Devine judgement. If you spread misinformation out of ignorance but with sincere intentions to serve God, God will only gradually move you into a place of knowledge. God wouldn't judge you for that!

Why are you guys so ignorant?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't even understand what it means to DISASSOCIATE oneself.
Paul was a missionary that Jesus sent to go from one country to another {Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7} to help faithful Judaists become Christians in different places and to build congregations.
So according to God's word did Paul deliberately disassociate himself from other faithful Christians?🙂

Ọmọ read what you quoted again:

But when God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through his undeserved kindness, thought good to reveal his Son through me so that I might declare the good news about him to the nations, I did not immediately consult with any human; nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before I was, but I went to Arabia, and then I returned to Damascus Galatians 1:5-7

So if Paul was living in Jerusalem and not being a missionary he must never disassociate himself from other faithful Christians that's what he himself taught others unless you want to claim Paul has double standards! Hebrews 10:24-25

Paul deliberately left Jerusalem for Arabia in order to be alone rather than associate with the believers in Jerusalem. The dissociation was deliberate. Read the reference scripture again.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote where this is in the scriptures let everyone see what you are claiming so they can know you are deceiving yourself.

Galatians 1:17:

Paul said:

"I did not go up to Jerusalem to those who had become apostles before me; instead I went to Arabia and came back to Damascus".

That's the Bible verse. So, you're the one deceiving yourself.

Did Paul deliberately disassociate himself from among true believers or something happened that caused it?😀

Yes, he did it deliberately. No one sent him away. God never instructed him to do so.

LordReed:
That is incorrect, you are NOT relying on people that were there. You mentioned Josephus, who was not there. The Dead Sea Scrolls are dated to around 200BCE, 400 years after the supposed book was written so no you are not even remotely relying on anybody who was there.

BTW the issue with Isaiah has been known for more than 200 years so it is not a recent development.

Nobody is claiming Josephus was “there.” The point about Flavius Josephus is that by the first century AD, the Jews already accepted Isaiah as a unified prophetic book. That shows what the tradition was long before modern skepticism. Flavius himself only documented what was passed down by those who were there.

As for the Dead Sea Scrolls, yes, the Great Isaiah Scroll (1QIsaa) is dated around 125–150 BCE. But that argument actually weakens your position, not strengthens it. Because the scroll contains ALL 66 chapters in one continuous manuscript. No break. No “Second Isaiah” label. No evidence of separate circulation. By 2nd century BCE, Isaiah was already a single, stable book.

And saying “this issue has been known for 200 years” doesn’t make it correct. The documentary hypothesis about Moses is also 200+ years old and heavily debated. Age of a theory is not proof of its accuracy. What matters is manuscript evidence. And manuscript evidence does not show multiple Isaiahs — that’s a literary hypothesis built on assumptions about prophecy.

I did present evidence but if you mean archeological evidence then you just shot yourself in the foot because we have no manuscript older than the Dead Sea scrolls which are dated to around 200BCE, 400 years after the supposed book was written.

These are not ordinary views. These are the views of the people who studied the Hebrew manuscripts not the obviously biased English translations you rely on.

No, you didn't present any evidence. You presented [b]People's views[/b]as evidence. Views can never be admitted as evidence for anything.

This “no manuscript older than DSS” argument applies to almost every ancient text in existence. We do not have original manuscripts of Herodotus, Plato, or Thucydides either. Their earliest copies are centuries after they lived. That’s normal in ancient literature. So if you use that logic consistently, you must throw away most of classical history.

Second, textual scholars who study Hebrew manuscripts do not have an earlier “proto-Deutero-Isaiah scroll” to show us. There is no archaeological discovery of “Isaiah 40–55 only” as a separate book. The Dead Sea Scrolls show unity, not division.

Also, this debate is not about English translations. The Hebrew text of Isaiah 40–66 is preserved in the same manuscript tradition as chapters 1–39. The Masoretic Text and the Dead Sea Scroll Isaiah text are substantially aligned. So let’s not pretend this is about biased English Bibles. The theory of multiple authors is a literary-critical proposal, not a manuscript discovery

The reasoning that eludes you is this isn't a book prophesying jack. It is so obviously a book attempting to retcon the Hebrews post Babylon exilic experience and lay over it the drive towards the re-emerging Jewish faith. Go read about how most of the Old Testament is dated to the writings of anonymous Jewish authors after the Babylon exile.

This is where the real issue shows. The argument assumes prophecy cannot happen. Once you assume that, then of course you must say it’s “retcon.”

But that is a philosophical starting point, not historical evidence.

Isaiah 45 explicitly names Cyrus the Great and says he will release captives and rebuild Jerusalem. Historically, Cyrus conquered Babylon in 539 BCE and issued decrees allowing exiles to return and rebuild temples (including Jerusalem’s). That’s not disputed history.

So the question is simple:
Either the text predicted it, or it was written after the fact.

There is no manuscript that says, “Written in 539 BCE after Cyrus.” That date is inferred because of a prior commitment that predictive prophecy is impossible. If you remove that philosophical bias, the argument collapses into a possibility claim, not proof.

And saying “most of the Old Testament was written anonymously after exile” is an oversimplified academic generalization. Even within critical scholarship, dating varies widely. There is no universal agreement on exact dates.

Talk about reasoning, are you telling me that this your god who said he killed 42 children just for mocking his prophet would leave a whole king to give his glory to another god?

Elisha cursed kids. He's the one to answer to that. A curse is an empowerment for demons to operate. How exactly does that concern God?

He was awed to see his name but still credits it to Marduk?

You are mixing categories.

The Bible never says Cyrus converted to Yahweh. Isaiah 45 actually says Cyrus did not know Him. The prophecy is about God using a pagan ruler as an instrument, not about Cyrus becoming a worshipper.

Now about the Cyrus Cylinder — yes, Cyrus credits Marduk for his victory over Babylon. That is completely expected. Ancient Near Eastern kings always credited their national god in inscriptions. That was political propaganda language of the time.

It would actually be shocking if a Persian emperor wrote, “Yahweh did this,” when addressing Babylonians. The cylinder was meant for Babylonian audiences. Of course he would frame it in Marduk language.

The Bible’s claim is theological — that Yahweh was sovereign behind the scenes. The cylinder is royal propaganda. Those two are not mutually exclusive unless you assume ancient kings always gave objective theological reports in political inscriptions.

In Isaiah 37/38, Senecharib claimed his gods gave him all the lands he conquered and that he'll conquer Jerusalem like one of them. But God spoke through Isaiah that He was the One who fashioned Senecharib long before he was born. He fashioned him to spoil nations and conquer territories. Meanwhile, he attributed it to himself and his gods. Nebuchadnezzar did the same. Meanwhile, God said He was the One who made him strong. So,b there are many instances of humans acting extraordinarily and attributing it to something else without knowing that they were merely being used by God.

Like I said the dearth of direct archeological evidence is a big problem for your position as well. Meanwhile the Cyrus cylinder indicts the Bible as a bearer of tall tales…

The Deutero and Trito Isaiah claims have solid basis for them and make more sense than the claims of so-called prophesy.

There is no archaeological evidence that “Deutero-Isaiah” existed as a separate book. That theory is based on stylistic differences and historical assumptions. It is not based on a discovered second scroll signed “Anonymous Prophet 540 BCE.”

Meanwhile, the archaeological evidence we do have — the Great Isaiah Scroll — shows textual unity centuries before Christ.

So let’s be honest: both positions interpret the same data differently. One starts with “prophecy is possible,” the other starts with “prophecy is impossible.” That’s the real dividing line.

Calling prophecy “retcon” does not prove it is. It simply reflects your starting assumption.

If you want to argue stylistic variation, fine — that’s a literary discussion. But don’t present it as archaeological demolition of Isaiah. The archaeology we have does not split the book. It preserves it as one.

Abeg, make we argue with consistency. If manuscript gaps disqualify Isaiah, then they disqualify most of ancient history too. If royal propaganda disproves theology, then no ancient religious claim survives scrutiny.

At the end of the day, the Deutero-Isaiah theory is a respected academic hypothesis. But it is still a hypothesis — not a smoking gun discovery that “Isaiah 45 is a lie.”

Prophets of old usually write their prophesies using scribes who own down what they said. They don't do the writing themselves. So, if Isaiah changed his scribe towards the end of the book, they style and the toning could change to match that of the new writer.

Change of styles and tones are not evidences.

And conclusively, the dead sea scrolls are a collections of books. And before a collection can happen, the individual books must have existed before the collection. And each book could have existed even centuries before the collection happened. You cannot use the dead sea scrolls dating to date the book of Isaiah that have existed before the scrolls were collected.

Truthseeker10:
Lol....So I can spread lies about the nature of God and be saved?

The question has nothing to do with the discussion. We're talking about leaving a congregation. Not about spreading anything. Keep to the lane.

Explain John 13:34 below.

34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

According to the verse above, if I decide not to associate and exhort loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, will I obey Jesus command to love one another? Will I be saved?

I don't know why you're directing that' question at me. Did I ever say you shouldn't associate with loyal worshippers of God?

MaxInDHouse:
So there is no single worshiper of God in Bible times who deliberately disassociate himself from his fellow believers.
Case closed!🙂

Why should anyone deliberately dissociate himself from true Believers?

Did I advice that or what are you insinuating?

Paul dissociated himself for sometime. He was in seclusion for about 3 years in Arabia. Did he lose his salvation during those times because of that?

Truthseeker10:
So what of Any Organization or individual that does not believe that the Father son and holy spirit is one person according to your teachings on this platform, will they be saved?

Believing in the Trinity or not is not a condition for salvation. Some doctrines can limit how far you can go with God. They do not deny you if salvation. However, there are dangerous doctrines that can send you to hell. For example if you believe that Jesus didn't die or resurrect, you could miss paradise because your salvation is hunger on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You cannot miss paradise on the basis of any doctrine that does not define your salvation.

So according to the verse above, if I decide not to associate and exhort loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, will I be saved?

You'll be limited in your spiritual growth but you'll be saved if you do not forsake Christ

MaxInDHouse:
Please mention one worshiper of God who deliberately disassociate himself in the Bible!🙂

Can you give me any reference where I said anyone must deliberately dissociate himself? And yes, people must deliberately dissociate themselves for erring congregations that preach heresy.

A child of God is not a member of a religion or denomination. A child of God is a member of the Body of Christ. Except you dissociate yourself from the Body of Christ, you are still a child of God even if you leave a gathering for whatsoever reason.

You can leave a congregation but do not forsake Christ. Never fall in love with this present world like Demas

Truthseeker10:
1)so are you saying that you can be in disagreement with loyal worshippers of God that are not in error and be saved? Yes or no?

If I'm in disagreement with loyal worshippers of God who are not in error, then, I am in error. I won't be lost just because of my disagreement with them. I can only be lost because of my own error. And the tendency of being lost is dependent on the type of error itself. It has nothing to do with a disagreement with an organization. For example, if I disagree with an organization that Jesus Christ is not the Savior of the world, and leave the organization on that basis. I can be lost, not because I left the organization but because I do not believe that Jesus is Savior. That error is very damaging.

On the other hand if I believe that Jesus has a throne in heaven, and I leave an organization that does not believe Jesus has a throne, I cannot be lost because my salvation does not hinge on Jesus having a throne or not having a throne. My salvation hangs if Jesus being my Savior, my belief in His death and resurrection, and my resolve to obey God in leaving righteously. If I am doing all these, I'll see God even if I do not belong to any organization.

2) Kindly tell us one reason from the Bible why God wants you to join his loyal worshippers that are not in error.

For fellowship. Simple as ABC. It helps for spiritual support and fastracks spiritual growth.

The core purpose of fellowship is emphasized in the bolded below:

Hebrews 10:35:

"Not forsaking the assembling/fellowshipoing of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

MaxInDHouse:
Is it possible to disassociate oneself from fellow worshipers and still continue being a worshiper of God?

YES or NO?🙂

Absolutely possible.

God is with you as an individual, not as a congregation. God has personal relationship with His children. A child can dissociate himself from a family and still remain the son of his father.

MaxInDHouse:
This self deception is really exposing you!🙂
You feel praying alone is enough for the believer to worship God when Jesus is always associating with fellow believers.
Stop deceiving yourself.
If Jesus prayed alone it's the same thing all believers should do when it comes to personal requests but as for worship Jesus never stop worshiping with other believers because according to God's word that's where salvation is! Psalms 133:1 & 3🙂

You guys are just anti-Scripture. Did I condemn worshipping or praying with other believers? I do so.myself. What I'm telling you is that, congregating with other believers is not a passport to heaven. That's a false doctrine. You can congregate with other believers and still find yourself in hell.

Truthseeker10:
Oga can't you mention even one reason why God would lead you to a congregation?

Below in the screenshot is you getting rattled when I asked if a person can be saved if he disagrees with other worshippers of God. Why did you avoid answering yes or no if you actually believe that a congregation has no bearing on the salvation of an individual?

So I ask again. If you Worship God in disagreement with his other loyal Worshippers, will you be saved? Yes or no?

Salvation is not about worshipping with loyal worshippers! A worshipper can be loyal and still be worshipping in error. The Jews were loyal and committed but they were in error.

The only basis for salvation is this:

Acts 16:31: "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household."

Simple as ABC! If you have any contrary opinion, bring the Scripture that backs you.

Truthseeker10:
You are the teacher here. If it is not for salvation as you have claimed, what other reason would God lead his child to a congregation? Kindly help us with the answer.

If you claim it's for salvation, then give us scriptural support. God leads His children to and out of congregations for unlimited reasons. Sometimes, the reasons are peculiar to the individual being led.

Truthseeker10:
So there is no reason in the bible for God to lead his child to a congregation? If there is, kindly tell us.

If there are, tell us?

Is it for them to get salvation?

TenQ:
Your are very correct for both Muslim children who died amd martyrs

Here is another hadith

The Martyr

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1641
Narrated Ka'b bin Malik:
From his father that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "The souls of the martyrs are in green birds, suspended from the fruit of Paradise, or the trees of Paradise."
[Abu 'Eisa said:] This Hadith is Hasan Sahih.


The Muslim Babies

Sahih Muslim 2662 b
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, reported that a child died and I said:
There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?


Other Muslims

Sunan Ibn Majah 4271
It was narrated from ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Ka’b Al-Ansari that his father used to narrate that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“The believer’s soul is a bird that eats from the trees of Paradise, until it will be returned to his body on the Day when he is resurrected.”

https://sunnah.com/urn/505720
Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that Abd ar-Rahman ibn Kab ibn Malik al-Ansari told him that his father, Kab ibn Malik, used to relate that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "The ruh of the mumin is a bird that sits in the trees of the Garden until Allah returns it to his body on the day He raises him ."


Mishkat al-Masabih 1632
He quoted his father to the effect that he used to tell that God’s messenger said, “The spirit of a believer is only a bird which feeds on (Here the Arabic is ta'luqu fi. Mirqat quotes Suyuti who explains it as in the translation above. The verb can have either the sense of being attached to something or of eating) the trees of paradise till God restores him to his body on the day He resurrects it.”

Lets see how Muslims will twist the plain Hadith!



Why LIES are so many, the LIARS forget that they have spoken other contradictory lies.

Thanks again brother.

May God open the eyes of these people.

Truthseeker10:
Why does a child of God need to congregate where God leads him?

Why would God lead his child to a congregation?

God leads His child to, and away from a Congregation For any reason God deems fit.

Truthseeker10:
So....is it possible that all congregation on earth will be rejected by God and therefore I disassociate and disagree with all of them?

I'm not God. There's nothing impossible. Growing numbers of demonic Congregations would emerge as the world comes to a close. A child of God should congregate where God leads him

Truthseeker10:
So I can disassociate myself and be in disagreement with fellow worshippers of God and be acceptable to God?

Very possible. If God has rejected the congregation.

2Cor. 6:17

"Therefore, come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord."

Truthseeker10:
So I can disassociate myself and be in disagreement with fellow worshippers of God and be acceptable to God?

Very possible. If God has rejected the congregation.

Truthseeker10:
Is associating with fellow worsgippers of God and being in agreement with them part of the "works of righteousness" that I must do to be acceptable to God according to the verse that you quoted?

It's not.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

You are kindergarten, so there is no need to engage other than the short, concise stuff you can handle.

I called you dumdum and I used werey in reply to someone that called me "Arindin"? Your Jesus also called some people "whited sepulchre, brood of vipers, hypocrites, etc. was that also his signatures curses?

I would have just left it at that, but because of others reading, I will oblige you with some answers to what seems to be troubling you on the inside that you are now voicing out!.

1. God made man in his image? Good for you if that is your belief.
2. Hell fire is for Satan and demons and not for humans? And rebellious humans will find their abode in hell? Ok.
3. Ablutions are done in preparation for prayers. It doesn't wash anyone of sins as you have been taught that sins can be washed away all your life and the part that Jesus came to die for your sin is of pagan origin. That Jesus and his Dad had to wait till about 2,026+ years before he can atone for whatever transgression in the garden is asinine and lack of thinking on the part the godhead because millions who never lived to such a time will be shortchanged. It was just Paul, the self appointed Apostle playing Ludo with your head. God forgives transgression with sincere repentance. If Baptism of John the Baptist can wash away sin and remission of sin why then do you raise issues with the Muslim ablutions? Mark 1:4 (KJV) John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
4. Lol. I know you are ignorant and I will show you but the issue is that you are far gone and can't reason. If it was not Arabic and Middle Eastern tradition to call someone sister or allude to family toes across a thousand years or more why then do the Jews of Jesus to him as "Son of David" severally? Why also was Elizabeth the mother of John the Baptist, also called the "Daughter of Aaron"? Luke 1:5 (KJV) There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. You guys know little of the faith you practice, and when shown you, you go mute! Why was your Jesus called the son of David? Shey David na him Papa ni and not Jehovah again?
5. Samaritans! A certain Samri was referenced in the Quran who took active part in the israelites fashioning a Golden Calf out of Jewelries gifted them when they left Egypt. So, show me in the Quran where it was said Moses encountered a SAMARITAN. Quote the verse/s. What the Quran simply stated is that a certain man named Samri was active and was in the lead when those Reprobates fashioned the golden calf and worshipped it. Your Bible says it was AARON, yet he was spared when Moses was commanded to put to the Sword all Idolaters!
6. Lol. Kindergarten stuff again. Baal worship was done by the same Israel you lots worshipped and pray for daily. As it was in the olden days, so it is now. Numbers 25:3-5 (KJV) And Israel joined himself unto Baal-peor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.
And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baal-peor.


You have a device, and you have Data, research how Christianity got to South America, North America, in Europe, and everywhere it got to. It is like accusing someone of what your forebears did. Have you ever heard of the Crusades, the 30 years war, the conflict between the Roman Church and the Eastern Church? Have you?

Yes, the Ottoman conquered Christian Lands as foretold in your Bible. Read the Book of Daniel. You will find it there.

I'm just shaking my head as I read all your confused write-ups.

1. You're referring to my claimed daughter reference which I clearly told you was the custom. Daughter, son, but not sister. Didn't you read that I said Mary should be daughter of Aaron according to tradition and not SISTER of Aaron?

Even in Yoruba culture, you can be referred to as a son of a great man of the past if you put on the man's attributes. But, never the brother of that man. Very preposterous.

2. Keep deceiving yourself about hell fire. Lol. You think it's size is equivalent to the distance between your street and the next one, that'd why you're giving yourself an imaginary bridge across hell. I painted a logical scenario of how big hell is. Considering the quintillions of spirits that'll be there. It's a place far bigger than the earth. Even if you have a bridge across hell, can you walk the length and breath of it? Lol. Moreso, Allah didn't mention any bridge. He clearly said you'll all go to hell.

3. Lukuman the green bird, open your eyes and think. Christianity didn't penetrate anywhere by killing anyone. Stop changing the narratives. White people who settle places are not necessarily missionaries. They never even preach to anyone. Only missionaries do. Colonists were politicians and not missionaries. Among politicians are Muslims, atheists, christians, etc. Stop revising history.

4. The evidences of Islam being related to Baal worship is there all over the Internet. If you like, remain. Ignorant. Baal was a global idol worshipped under different names in different nations. God punished the Israelites when they started worshipping Baal. They picked it from other idolatrous nations. It wasn't an Israel thing.

5. No matter what lies you tell yourself. Ablution is for purification. What are getting purified from? John baptized people with water to show them the "lb of God which takes away the sins of the world". He clearly said it that, that's why He was sent to baptise people. John never promised that his baptism washes sin.

And in conclusion, be it known unto you that spirits don't move from place to place mechanically as we do on earth. You would be a spirit after leaving this world. You will never need a bridge to cross anywhere. There's no brudge over earth, hell or even heaven. You were sold a lie.

LordReed:
Where you there as well since that is your argument.

I wasn't there. I rely on the information passed down by those who were there. Not by people who come thousands of years later, and think they know better. There has never been a debate on Isaiah until recent times.

Yes, a different date because there were multiple authors.

No evidence. Can you see how you staked all your belief about Isaiah on the VIEWS of modern scholars who are just debating and arguing. Did you seek evidence? No. For anything opposed to God, ordinary views of people without any evidence is okay by you. But for anything in support of God's existence, you would even discountenance evidences and try to argue against them as you're currently doing against the book of Isaiah. Was Daniel written by many authors too?

See, just simple reasoning will tell you that Isaiah or anyone cannot be prophesying to people who were alive in his days and be telling them about a future king when that king was already ruling. Is it possible for me to prophesy to you right now about Tinubu being born and becoming president of Nigeria in the future? You find that preposterous but you apply this same preposterous scenario to the book of Isaiah.

Cyrus doesn't credit Yahweh he credits Marduk, so the author of Isaiah 40-55 is the revisionist.

Why should Cyrus credit Yahweh even when Yahweh clearly declared that Cyrus does not know Him?

If you were prophesied into being as a person, is that tantamount to you having knowledge of the God behind the prophecy? Would that even imply that you know about the prophecy?

Tradition has it that Jewish elders later showed Cyrus the book of Isaiah, and he was awed to see his name mentioned by a dead man who lived many years before he was born.

One only needs to understand archeologic evidence and all these so-called prophecies become demystified.

For instance, Isaiah 7 is not referring to Jesus, just mistranslation shenanigans.

Then bring up the archeological evidences that put the book of Isaiah in the hands of many authors instead of making mere views of people your evidence.

I also have a view that lordreed is an old man always wearing green shirts. Do you believe that? Is my view now an evidence of what you and what you always wear?

jamesatoy:
STILL AVAILABLE

You didn't mention your price, how would anyone know whether to contact you or not? People consider budgets first.

MaxInDHouse:
Cornelius practiced Judaism faithfully that is why God favored the man by showing him mercy because whoever continues with Judaism after Christianity has been established may not gain everlasting life.
So God showed him favor introducing him to the New Religion that replaced Judaism, therefore whatever he was doing in Judaism before then is no longer useful all he needs to do now is follow the Christians and their teachings which does not include tithing!

I didn't ask you for all these.

You asked how Jesus receives physical tithes in heaven, and I asked you how God got the physical alms of Cornelius.

MaxInDHouse:
How did Jesus who is in heaven collected tithe from humans living on earth?🙂

So, you don't know that all your physical actions have spiritual symbolism?

Revelation 14:13:

"Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

How can you deeds follow you if your deeds are not spiritually visible?

How did the alms of Cornelius get to God?

Lukuluku69:
Werey, do some research.

You can start here on Nairaland since you are always on patrol.

That's what you're known for. You have no time to engage me but you have enough time to shout werey, dumdum, dunce and all your signature curses.

Instead of you to carefully examine the lies of Islam for the sake of your own soul, you see every exposure as an attack. And, you see yourselves as foot soldiers to defend against all exposures without minding that the truth is what matters most. Not religion .

Do you want to lose your soul before you realize that a lie was forced into your hands? Islam was forced upon people as a matter of 'accept islam or die.' They won't even tell you why Allah is God. Just think of a Buddhist forcing Buddha on you without telling you why Buddha is God or what qualifies him to be worshiped by you. The red flags of Islam are all over your Quran and Hadith. Clear warnings that can lead you out of eternal damnation. Yet, you close your eyes and continue walking blindly and adamantly into eternal fire. Allah already said you'll all enter fire. Stop lying to yourself that you'll only cross over a hell bridge. If only you know what hell really is. Hell has no bridge the same way earth has no bridge. Let no one deceive you. Hell comprises all demons (there are trillions of them), fallen angels (billions of them. They're more than the angels in heaven) and Satan, plus all sinful humanity from Adam till now. Think of it, that's several trillions or even quadrillions of beings. It's a place far bigger than the earth in multiple folds, and there's no bridge over it. You think he'll is a walkable distance of few kilometers? How would you even walk over something that's so much expansive with fire burning underneath? Think now. Even Allah didn't mention any bridge over hell. A bridge over hell is impossible and useless. Those are just ignorance induced interpolations.

Those of us who try to warn you and expose the lies of Islam to you, you count for enemies. You pour invectives and throw curses at us; and if you're able to see us physically, you will attempt to silence us as you did Deborah. All for telling you the truth in love and giving you reasons to study the religion again for yourself before making a final decision.

Let me tell you these for free:

1. God made man in His own image. He has no intention of turning anybody into green birds.

2. Hell fire is for Satan and demons, and not for humans. Humans who go there do so because they refuse to get rid of the demons in them. And God cannot admit them into paradise with the demons in them. Demons have no place in paradise.

3. Jesus came as a propitiation for sins. Sin is spiritual filth that needs to be washed away from the soul. That's why you do ablution but only blood can wash sins. Sin is forgiven by God through mercy, but it is also washed away through the blood of cleansing. If you think you don't need purification from sin, why do you do ablutions several times a day? Why do you keep doing ablution if ablution made you clean? You are never clean? That's the message.

4. Mariam was the sister of Aaron. Mohammed confused her with Mary the mother of Jesus. Very easy mistake. He then referred to Mary the mother of Jesus as the sister of Aaron. God wanted to expose him as a liar. See, in all traditions, you can call Mary the daughter of Aaron, but never sister of Aaron. It's not an Arabic or middle eastern tradition or anybody's tradition to call someone the sister of another person born thousands of years ago. No matter how righteous the person is. You can never find any reference anywhere, even in Arabia to justify such. It was a clear error by Mohammed.

5. Omri established Samaria more than 2,000 years after Moses had died. It was the inhabitants of Samaria that were called Samaritans.Hence, Samaritans began to appear in history during the time of Omri king of Israel. Tell me how Moses saw a Samaritan in his days. If not that God wanted to expose Mohammed, he wouldn't make this grave error also. In Moses' days, Israel had not even become a nation, let alone having a city called Samaria with Samaritans living in it.

6. Mohammed knew what he was doing. Islam is Baal worship reinvented. All the activities and symbols of Baal worship are found in Islam including the kissing of the black Stone and the circling of the kaaba. Make your own research. It not by cursing people and pouring invectives.

Please shine your eyes. I cannot be telling you all these in order to merely attack Islam. I am telling you all these because I don't want you to perish.

A religi0n that spread by the sw0rd cannot be from the true God.

Name it, uthman Dan Fidio who spread Islam in Nigeria or the Arabs who spread it in other parts of Africa, or the Ottoman empire who spread it in other parts of the world. All was by sword and bl00d letting. Not love.

This piece if applied will bring peace to your life.

MaxInDHouse:
Abraham gave Melchizedek not because he was given a law rather he did it out of his own freewill the law to give tithe was established after the nation of Israel was formed.
Today we are operating through another highpriest whose priesthood wasn't due to animal sacrifices something that made the Levites service providers in the worship arrangement {Hebrews 7:5-6} so if their services are no longer needed the laws that says they should be paid is gone! Hebrews 7:11-12🙂

Both Abraham and Jacob gave tithes, and their tithes were accepted. Jesus still receives tithes in heaven. It's not a prerequisite for salvation but it is a sacrifice of a sweet smelling savour before God. Which child of God would deny his Father the opportunity of such a sweet smelling sacrifice, and any other sweet smelling sacrifices that the Father delights in?

MaxInDHouse:
So we have nothing to do with the laws of tithe given to the nation of Israel which was established through circumcision!🙂

Tithing law was not established through circumcision. Abraham and Jacob gave tithes ever before the law was established.