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MaxInDHouse:
You've changed your narrative with the highlighted otherwise you should have presented a group of people doing the above but you were saying SINCERITY is enough even though the person does not agree with you. That's why i asked if Paul was a sincere Pharisee or not!

Please quote whenever I said sincerity is enough to be saved! I dare you to do that. Provide the link and the quote.

This was the scriptural foundation laid regarding this position from the very beginning:

Acts 10:34-35

"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but fin every nation anyone who fears him and hdoes what is right is acceptable to him."

A scripture you have rejected while you go about establishing false doctrines. I have consistently mentioned the composite factors that make a man acceptable before God. Sincere service is just one of them.

Truthseeker10:
1)Lol....so Jesus lied in John 17:3?

2)below is your below:

"God judges you on whether you believe what Christ did for you or not. That's all."

Does your statement above agree with John 17:3

3)So if Everybody on earth recite what the arm robber said, we will all be saved?

Why did you quote me without quote the scriptures that birthed the quotes.

You blatantly blinded your eyes to the scriptures but what to argue based on your organization's false doctrines.

Or, you want me to produce several other verses of Scripture other than Acts 16:31 which says "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Tell me, what other knowledge the robber had apart from believing in the Lord Jesus as the Scriptures have said.

What other knowing did John 17:3 expect of you than what Acts 16:3 and John 3:16 have prescribed?

"Whosoever' believes in Him shall not perish." Simple! He doesn't have to know doctrine.

John 17:3 expects you to know that the only true God sent Jesus His Son to die for your sins and to save you. Believe in that knowledge and you'll have life eternal.

MaxInDHouse:
The robber was a judaist who must have heard a lot about the promised Christ from Pharisees and Scribes but due to lots of misconceptions he never believed any of those things not until he was nailed to the stake along with an innocent man who has proved to be a powerful prophet in Israel. Luke 23:41

Do you know what that means?

Well it means this thief has thought deeply on the few knowledge he had in the scriptures about how the Christ will be counted unworthy along with criminals:

And he was given a burial place with the wicked, And with the rich in his death, Although he had done no wrong And there was no deception in his mouth. Isaiah 53:9

For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many, And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty, Because he poured out his life even to death And was counted among the transgressors; He carried the sin of many people, And he interceded for the transgressors. Isaiah 53:12

Both thieves knew how powerful Jesus is that's why the other thief asked Jesus to perform a miracle to save both himself and them! Luke 23:39

Do you still think that thief has nothing in his head regarding the promised Christ?🤔

Did he have any doctrine in his head similar to what Christ taught His disciples other than that He knew Christ was the Lord and Savior, and accepted Him so?

Can the doctrines of the Pharisees buy you paradise? Since you want to claim he had knowledge from Judaism.

MaxInDHouse:
The answer to your question lies in the question i asked you!

The question you asked does not relate with anything I've said so far.

I have said that someone who has accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior, and is sincerely walking with Him and searches the Scriptures to truthfully understand the Word of God, etc is acceptable by God if he does righteousness.

Now, tell me how your question relates.

MaxInDHouse:
So if he accepts Jesus can he still kill people?😟

Answer my question.

MaxInDHouse:
Was Paul insincere when he was killing Christians?

Did Paul accept Jesus as Lord and Savior when he was killing Christians?

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My dear, go and sit down.

Tell me the knowledge the robber on the right side of Jesus had before He was promised paradise on the cross.

QuinQ:

I don't know who taught Trump that's how you end every letter. Probably what he learnt in business school😅

Lol.

Goddyrichie:
ur 🧠 have been brainwashed with hypo

Na you brainwash me?

I only regard you as a very ignorant and arrogant fellow. I have lived long enough in his world to know that.

bestman09:
It's better for Iran to surrender before they lose everything they had acquired over the years and still face defeat 😭.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

MaxInDHouse:
Please explain what Jesus is saying here:

‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.' Matthew 15:8-9

So you think it's possible to be sincere yet doing the wrong thing?🤔

Did you see any sincerity in anyone who honours God with His lips and his heart is fat from Him? Is there any sincerity in that, or you don't understand the Scripture you quoted?

Truthseeker10:
1)So I can be in contradiction with you who claims not to be in error and be saved. Thank you.

2)What knowledge did Isreal lack?

You should ask apostle Paul. I wasn't the one who said they lacked knowledge.

3)If knowledge is not a requirement for salvation, explain John 17:3 below.

King James Bible
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Knowledge of the Only true God. Knowing Yahweh as the ONLY true God and knowing that He sent Jesus for your salvation, and believing in what He did for you. That is Life Eternal.

I don't know why you're finding it difficult to grasp this simple truth.

funshint:
So two different singers will have the same lyrics with the only difference being Iri and Ẹmi?? Isn't that plagiarism; pls make sense out of this

Check the lyrics well. There's difference.

The tunes are different too.

shadrach77:
Don't argue blindly! That song was by Funmi Aragbaiye

I've given you Funmi Aragbaye's version of the song. Please go and verify.

Iri Orun sokale was sung by Toun Soetan.

Funmi Aragbaye sang Emi orun wa sokale.

MaxInDHouse:
What makes you sure of all these when you aren't worshiping with them neither do you know exactly what they are practicing as faith?🤔

Good question. The first time I hear a JW asking a very good question.


But the question is already answered in the response you quoted

They're serving God sincerely. They believe in Jesus' death and resurrection. They Lord Jesus is their Lord, and they walk with Him obediently.

God is not moved by actions. Leave that for man. God is moved by intents. The heart.

Just "...believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved." That's the Scripture.

funshint:
That's Funmi Aragbaye

Nope.

This is Funmi Aragbaye:

Emi òrun, wa sokale
Afé rí o
Adaba orun wa sokale
Kò gbé wà wo
Rojọ ibukun Re
Le wa l'ori
Ninù ìpàdé yí
Afe ri ọ
Ka to lo

meizoos:
Evangelist Niyi Adedokun is still alive and kicking pls

Thanks very much for the correction.

My apology. I just confirmed Niyi Adedokun is still alive.

I heard a fake news a few weeks ago and didn't confirm it.

My apology.

callmeDDD:
Really? I never knew he is late. A great man too.
Yes, Niyi adedokun and evangelist adelakun (ayewa). That was what I mixed up. This life is just bintin.

My apology. I just confirmed Niyi Adedokun is still alive.

I heard a fake news a few weeks ago and didn't confirm it.

My apology.

Truthseeker10:
So if you are not in error, according to you, those who read the Bible and come up with erratic understanding will also be saved. Thank you.

Tell me why they won't be saved after believing that Jesus died and rose for their sins, and they absolutely depend on Him for their salvation, and are walking with Him as sincerely as they could?

Even Paul in Roman 10 said "Israel has a zeal for God but not according to knowledge." Yet, he went to further assert that "Israel shall be saved". Even in spite of their ignorance. Knowledge is not a requirement for salvation.

mctech:
That was by Funmi Aragbaye.

No o.

Funmi Aragbaye is:

Emi òrun, wa sokale
Afé rí o
Adaba orun wa sokale
Kò gbé wà wo
Rojọ ibukun Re
Le wa l'ori
Ninù ìpàdé yí
Afe ri ọ
Ka to lo

callmeDDD:
This is absolutely nothing. Once a bubbling, young beautiful woman that time, now died at 73. How rapid did she get to that age? Mama, rest on ma. What will be the age and the look of people like mama Bola Are, Funmi Aragbaiye, evangelist Adedokun and pastor Niyi (something) if I am right. That man showed IBB sege with his song that time.

It's Niyi Adedokun:

"Nigeria, e ku ojo méta o
Ayanfẹ orilẹ ede, e nle o"

He is already resting with the Lord.

Modified:

My apology. I just confirmed Niyi Adedokun is still alive.

I heard a fake news a few weeks ago and didn't confirm it.

My apology.

Truthseeker10:
You claim to have absolute agreement with the word of God. You've taught us here that the father son and holy spirit is one person. Yet, you still claim that you may be in error.

Because I'm not the standard. The Bible is.

If I'm in error, correct me with superior Biblical expositions. Up till now, no one on this platform or anywhere has been able to pick out any error in my position, including you.

Which means that others who claim that God is three persons may be right. Yet you claim that any decision an individual make after studying the bible will get them saved. How does this make any sense to you?

Because, what you learn. Is use a bit of all that there is. Since knowledge is infinite, God does not expect you to have all knowledge. Your ignorance of knowledge won't take you to hell. Knowledge is not a prerequisite for making heaven. Lack of knowledge can only limit your manifestation as a son of God on earth. You won't be able to enjoy the full benefits of HIIT sonship.

Children have different views of their father. Their views don't make them less his sons. A son may not know his father is an engineer. Does that make him less the son of the man? Think, these JWs.

The only thing that makes you lose heaven is when you reject the death and resurrection of Christ for you, and reject His Lordship over your life. There'll be problems if a child rejects his father and the authority of the father over him.

John 3:17 says, does who reject Christ are condemned already, "because they did not believe in the Only Begotten Son of God .'

"Iri Orun sokale,
Ko wa gbe wà ró,
Adaba orun sokale,
Ko wa gbe wà wo,
Rojọ ibukun Re,
Le wa nì ori,
Ninu ipade wa yí,
Afé rí o k'a to ló."

Rest on in the bossom of the Lord, Mama Toun.

Goddyrichie:
religion is d first weapon fashion against African so what if they die when the incident happen?

Mtcheww.

I don't have time for empty talks.

It's like an Angel held the building up until he confirmed that nobody was inside before allowing it to do its crumbling.

This incident is nothing short of a miracle.

Truthseeker10:
These are your words in bold below:

"Any decision you make, you'll be saved as long as it's a sincere decision based on your understanding of what you studied.

According to the above, if we both study the Bible and end up in contradiction, we will both be saved. Thank you.

Can you tell me how you'll end up in contradictions if you sincerely study and understand?

MaxInDHouse:
So they are DISORGANIZED shey? John 17:22🙂

That's what the devil wants but no.

We have only one universal fold, and One universal Shepherd. We all belong to the same spiritual building and temple. And that temple is Christ.

Are you challenging Jesus' own words regarding what a false prophet is? Matthew 7:15-18
Jesus never said false prophets are followers rather they gather followers who can't practice what Jesus taught! Matthew 24:11😀

But you said the fruits Jesus was talking about is followers. Why changing mouth?

I have corrected you, so take the correction. The fruits of the Spirit in character and petinence is What Jesus was talking about.

Fruit of prophethood differ from fruit of the spirit, one could be observed in the gathering of imperfect humans as the qualities of God's spirit permeates their gathering while the fruit of a prophet is those following his teachings so at Matthew 7:15-20 Jesus is talking about people who are practicing what you are teaching!🙂

Na wá for you o.

So, it's followers that we will use to measure a prophet, and not the prophet himself? Please start reasoning maturely and escape from the JW deception.

Jesus is warning you not to follow false prophets, and He was giving you the signs you'll see in order to avoid them. The fruits they bear in words and in deeds are the yardstick. So, you need to follow a prophet first,care whether you bear good fruits before you now decide whether the prophet is false or not? Lol. You're a good comedian.

Ever before anyone follows the prophet, see the fruits he bears in word and in deed. If he doesn't resemble Jesus, don't follow him. Simple.

So mention your own so we can make comparison between yours and JWs the JWs have proved to be One just as Jesus prayed for his disciples to be {John 17:22} while the rest like you are scattered spiritually speaking making it difficult for you to identify your fellow believers! Luke 11:23🙂

You oneness is in physical gatherings to share lies and spread falsehoods. But the oneness of the Body of Christ is spiritual. The Church is one single spiritual Body encompassing all saints from the day of Pentecost till present. The Body is the one single bride for the One and only Bridegroom. The Church is the bride, and Christ is the Bridegroom .

A physical gathering is not the bod of Christ. There are thousands of such.

CannibalEast:
You're not wworship creator of heaven of earth, you are only worshiping terrorist that your Oyinbo slave master impose on you.

But, I never had a slave master, and nobody imposed anything on me. So, you really goofed.

But, your ifá is actually powerless and ignorant. It couldn't even teach its worshippers how to make simple bicycle. They continued to leave in the bush when the world had far advanced. He couldn't defend his worshippers from the invaders. He's s weak and useless god.

But, you see the Creator of heaven and earth? He is All loving, All knowing. Both Wisdom and Knowledgeable dwells with Him. He is the God of gods and the King of kings. .He will judge you and your ifá on the great day of judgement to come. You better repent.

The gods that did not create the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth.

MaxInDHouse:
Who are your fellow sheep?

Everyone who hears the Voice of the One and Only Shepherd of the sheep and follows Him.

If you can't present your fold but keep on seeing false prophets everywhere what makes you feel that you (yourself) are not a false prophet?

A false prophet is someone who cannot listen to the One and Only Shepherd but chooses rather to listen to fallible men.

For your information the only evidence Jesus says we can point out to identify a false prophet is the fruit they produce {Matthew 7:15-18} meanwhile fruitless trees are also useless {Mark 11:13-14} what FRUIT is expected of a prophet?

Lies. Followers are not the fruits Jesus was talking about here.

Ọmọ it's followers, so that means your faith is worthless if there is no group of imperfect humans practicing what you believe since the result of your faith is how it is molding imperfect humans to yield to doing the will of God as a visible fold.

That means anyone who has a follower is a true prophet? 😉

The fruits of the Spirit us what Jesus was talking about as identifiers. Go and read Galatians 5.

Ọmọ that is why Jesus organized his own disciples for everyone to see as his witnesses {Act 1:8} so if your faith has failed to present a group that's following Jesus as evidence of his good teachings it simply means you are deceiving yourself! Matthew 7:21-23

There are many groups claiming to follow Jesus. Your group is just one of thousands. Are you saying you all are following Jesus because you have groups?

Can you see how illogical that sounds?

The true fruits Jesus was talking about is in character shaped by the Holy Spirit.

BAILMONEY:
I understand what you mean, but remember this: when Jesus said “Before Abraham, I am” in John He was speaking as a human living in that time.

That doesn’t change the fact that the message of submission to one God existed long before Him, from Adam, Abraham, Moses.

Islam, in its meaning as submission to God, is about the same message all prophets preached. Simple research would cure your ignorance.

Jesus, Abraham, Moses, etc didn't know Allah the god of the Kaaba.

Stop lying.

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what you are saying if each person could just pick up the Bible and decide what he or she should believe without considering others who claims they are also Bible believers.
That's what led to countless religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!😀

You are just claiming what's not.

The Bible has a voice. Everyone who is sincere will follow the voice. Jesus is our Shepherd. The true sheep will not hear the voice of a stranger. Jesus speaks through the Bible. Listen to Him alone. Except you serve a different master, you cannot sincerely study the Word, hear His voice and still have views that are considered dissenting to the Bible.

Many false prophets and teachers are in the world as prophesied. Confirm every spirit by making sure whatever they say conforms with the Bible.

You don't decide what you believe in the Bible. You only decide to believe the Bible 100%.